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Lloyd
Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 12:44am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Kind of interested what some have found for portion/servings changes with the Xpress.

My Live Foods went to 7 servings/day, Grains to 1 serving/day and Dairy to 1 serving/week. Everything else is the same or close.

Curious what others have had.
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Well, I never did the Teacher diet and I began with a Teacher SWAMI but my grains are very low in comparison to the type A diet...I can have 3 servings per day, but
a serving of grain is 1/4 of a cup...or one slice of grain bread or 1/2 a muffin...

On my fats and oils it's 1 tsp. 3 or 4 times a week.  That's a miniscule amount of
fat...But ghee winds up in the dairy category and the fat category...so if I use
it from the fat category, I can barely eat any..

And from the dairy category it's only 1/2 tsp. 4 times a week...much less.  So if I wanted to use ghee as both a dairy and an oil, I'd get a bit more...

But thanks for asking this question because I'm starting to realize that I'm eating
more fats than I'm supposed to.....and not enough live foods.

Cheeses are 1-3 oz four times a week...

7 eggs per week.

1 T of nut butters 8 times a week  or 1/4 cup of nuts/seeds

6 cups of live foods per day...(YIKES...I have not been eating this much)

3 sm. to med. fruits per day

3 servings of beverages per day - 6-8 oz.

1T of spices per day

1 tsp of condiments per day (and this includes nutritional yeast, honey, mustard,
soy mayo, veg. glycerine, barley malt, sea salt.

3-5 oz of poultry  twice a week

3-5 oz of fish four times a week.

And that's pretty much it....

In all honesty, it's having to really watch the fats and not just eat handfuls of nuts..
and pay close attention to the size of my protein sources plus fill up my plate with a lot of vegetables and plant foods.  I'm a big salad eater....

Reminds me of the very earliest version of Weight Watchers in the mid 60s...where everything was portioned and carefully measured... very similar in portion sizes to my Teacher diet.










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And from the dairy category it's only 1/2 tsp. 4 times a week...much less.  So if I wanted to use ghee as both a dairy and an oil, I'd get a bit more...


think not.....
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Butter and ghee should have their discussion under fats and oils, so I'll move that. Thanks.


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red meats went from 0-2X week to 3X week with 1 supposed to be liver...hence my "beta bug" question about calf liver in the other thread

grains went way down - 1X daily instead of 3-5X daily

veggies reverted to original BTD frequency values (from 4X daily back up to 6X daily)

eggs went from 9/week to 6/week (my inner egg-stealing weasel is sad, but wants to be healthy and will deal with the disappointment by eating the chocolate, caviar, white wine, and beer it got back  )

veggie proteins from at least 1X/day to 4X/week maximum

The rest are pretty much the same quantities.
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My red meat is down to 3 x per week
Fowl is 4 x per week
FISH !!! up to 7 x per week (biggest change)
Eggs to 6x per week
Veggies up to 7 x per day

Fish is a scary new change, I live on the Cdn prairies and love beef (easy to cook, great taste).  

I am a light weight when it comes to cooking fish, I am a bit afraid of the lash back from the teenage boys when I up the fish quotient.  My teacher husband will enjoy however.  
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Fish 7 times/wk. now
Grains now 4 times/day with servings doubled on baked goods
10 eggs/wk
most other things at the top of the Hunter range and slightly bigger servings

meat,poultry, fish now total 16 servings/wk.  and mostly 5-7 oz.
poultry is preferably the flying kind, but the only game birds here are quail and they are avoids
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In regards to fish.. I was headed to the store today to get MORE chicken since I CAN'T eat meat everyday... sigh..  

and I ran into one of those roadside carts with freshly caught and freeze packaged Alaskan Rock Cod and White Salmon!!!!!

YAAAAA HOOO!!!

Today we had shrimp and chicken as the mains of two meals and we had our grain serving for breakfast.  puffed millet and rice with fruit, egg white protein powder, vanilla extract, and almonds with hemp milk.

Deeeeelicioius!


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welllll, I always ate more oil than the diet called for, but now: 3 T. a wk!!!!! This will be a major challenge! I start my day by frying eggwhites in a tsp.......everday. Now if that were all I ate, but no, there's salad, and stirfry.......but I am hearing the voice of truth and am listening!!!!! cut back on the oil!!!!!

Ahhhh, but I get butter or ghee 3 times a wk.     so......I can cook my eggwhites in that and save the oil for salads!!!!!!
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think not.....


So I can't use ghee from two different categories?

Good to know....So much new information....It's going to take me awhile
till I get a hang of it.






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So I can't use ghee from two different categories?

Good to know....So much new information....It's going to take me awhile
till I get a hang of it.
Don't you have any diamond oils that can be used to cook with? If so, just use them, because as far as I know the limits don't apply as much to them - more of an as needed/desired just like with the GTD values in the book.

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Don't you have any diamond oils that can be used to cook with? If so, just use them, because as far as I know the limits don't apply as much to them - more of an as needed/desired just like with the GTD values in the book.

'

Well, here's my oil options...

Almond Oil
Black Currant Seed Oil
Borage Seed Oil
Chia Seed Oil
Coconut Oil
Flax Seed, Linseed Oil
Hemp Seed Oil
Olive Oil
Perilla Seed Oil
Rice Bran Oil
Safflower Oil

The diamonds are flax, olive, hemp and black currant but aren't showing up here.
And here's my allowable portions..
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Food choices emphasizing hybridized BTD and GTD values
Portion Size: 1 teaspoon
Frequency: 3 servings weekly.

See, the other fats are coming from different food groups....Like nuts, seeds,
avocado...

But still, this is the equivalent of one Tablespoon of real oil for an entire week...

So here's my nut portions...it's in the vegetable proteins category.

GT3 'Teacher' (Blood Group A Secretor)
Food choices emphasizing hybridized BTD and GTD values
Portion Size: Nuts, Seeds: quarter cup; Nut Butters: 1 tablespoon
Frequency: 8 servings weekly.

So this vegetable protein category only limits the nuts..It says nothing about the
beans. I could probably eat a lot of beans..

And if peanuts are a legume and not a nut, then the quantity shouldn't be limited.

What do you guys think?  Peanuts and peanut butter should be considered like
a fat or a nut?  Or a legume?

I get 6 cups total of live food and avocado is in this group...Can you imagine me
eating 6 cups of avocado every day?





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Wherever peanut is listed should be is where it is...

Peanut oil would be an oil/fat. Peanuts would not be an oil/fat.
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Chloe: If I was you I'd either use the olive oil for frying (yes, I know, there has been some debate about using it to cook with, but the Italians, and others, have been doing it for 1,000's of years) or use the coconut or rice bran oil.

Either of these options would still leave you the olive oil diamond for making things like mayo and vinaigrettes and other assorted flavorings.

I find I don't need as much coconut oil in particular for sautéing as you do the other oils.

Other options might be steaming or poaching or even boiling (like for eggs).
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Quoted from Lloyd
Wherever peanut is listed should be is where it is...

Peanut oil would be an oil/fat. Peanuts would not be an oil/fat.


I was wondering if peanuts are called a nut or a legume..Nuts are located on my SWAMI list  as "Vegetable proteins" .  Nuts are limited to 1 T per nut butter per day or 1/4 cup of nuts.  If I consider peanuts as a legume, there is no limit in that category.

Do you know the answer?



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Chloe: If I was you I'd either use the olive oil for frying (yes, I know, there has been some debate about using it to cook with, but the Italians, and others, have been doing it for 1,000's of years) or use the coconut or rice bran oil.

Either of these options would still leave you the olive oil diamond for making things like mayo and vinaigrettes and other assorted flavorings.

I find I don't need as much coconut oil in particular for sautéing as you do the other oils.

Other options might be steaming or poaching or even boiling (like for eggs).


Thanks.  I'm only getting to eat a T of oil per week.

It's actually healthier to steam the veggies and drizzle a bit of oil on top of them..
Or bake the veggies.  I still love eating the coconut oil right from the jar..

I could probably use avocado as a fat substitute in salad dressings.

But peanut butter and other nut butters are more generous portions.. 1T per day.

It's fine.  Because on the Type A diet, I wasn't eating a lot of fat anyway.



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yes it is a legume, but lost the linc.  Ask is peanuts a legume and you will find it, hopefully.
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yes it is a legume, but lost the linc.  Ask is peanuts a legume and you will find it, hopefully.


I am pretty sure it's a legume too....and that would remove it from nut category
and I wouldn't have to measure it.



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I always just assumed that beans and nuts would have the same serving sizes, since they are both nutrient dense foods.  I've always treated them that way.  

Boy Chloe, my serving sizes are a lot different than yours.  I think I like mine better lol!  I get a lot more fat (like 5 times more!) and carbs than you.  

Most all of my serving sizes and frequencies stayed the same or went up from the GT...I don't think any went down.  Whereas the GT gave a range in many cases, my swami does not.  

I've not paid much attention to the serving sizes and frequencies on the GT, but I have to say I would be hard pressed to eat everything on my swami in a week...I don't think I would have time to do much else lol!  I just don't eat that much food.  But I certainly appreciate the guidelines.

No unlimited ghee in swami?       I think I might keep that from the teacher diet...kind of like a souvenir.  


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I always just assumed that beans and nuts would have the same serving sizes, since they are both nutrient dense foods.  I've always treated them that way.  

Boy Chloe, my serving sizes are a lot different than yours.  I think I like mine better lol!  I get a lot more fat (like 5 times more!) and carbs than you.  

Most all of my serving sizes and frequencies stayed the same or went up from the GT...I don't think any went down.  Whereas the GT gave a range in many cases, my swami does not.  

I've not paid much attention to the serving sizes and frequencies on the GT, but I have to say I would be hard pressed to eat everything on my swami in a week...I don't think I would have time to do much else lol!  I just don't eat that much food.  But I certainly appreciate the guidelines.

No unlimited ghee in swami?       I think I might keep that from the teacher diet...kind of like a souvenir.  


Beans are low in fat...nuts are high.  So they are different if a person is also
eating more generous portions of cheese, avocados, and other types of fats.  I think at some point, there has to be a limit so none of us wind up eating a diet that's 50% fat.  But many people, I'm sure got more ghee than me.

I'm just trying to figure out what I told the questionnaire that would make the
decision to give me 3 tsps of ghee for a whole week.  I thought I'd have needed
the buytric acid for gut problems...white lines...and I answered "yes" to that
question...plus I'm trying to heal my gut from gluten damage...This is the
one thing that I'm having difficulty understanding from the perspective of
needing to use ghee but SWAMI gives me very little.



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If I consider peanuts as a legume, there is no limit in that category.




Is this true?  Is there no limit in the legume category?  Or is there just not one listed?  

I would be interested to know - does anyone have a portion and frequency for legumes?  My SWAMI doesn't.

Many thanks,
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Beans are low in fat...nuts are high.  So they are different if a person is also
eating more generous portions of cheese, avocados, and other types of fats.  I think at some point, there has to be a limit so none of us wind up eating a diet that's 50% fat.  But many people, I'm sure got more ghee than me.

I'm just trying to figure out what I told the questionnaire that would make the
decision to give me 3 tsps of ghee for a whole week.  I thought I'd have needed
the buytric acid for gut problems...white lines...and I answered "yes" to that
question...plus I'm trying to heal my gut from gluten damage...This is the
one thing that I'm having difficulty understanding from the perspective of
needing to use ghee but SWAMI gives me very little.



I've never thought that much about fat.  As long as it is good fat, I eat it in whatever quantity I eat it in...never limited it.  I eat a LOT of nuts lol!  

Don't forget that ghee is now in the dairy section, so your 3 tsp/week relates only to other oils.  Your ghee will be part of your dairy servings.

Are you trying to lose weight?  Perhaps that is why you are allowed less fat?  Remember that these are only guidelines, not hard and fast rules.  


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I'm just trying to figure out what I told the questionnaire that would make the
decision to give me 3 tsps of ghee for a whole week.  



Chloe,

Check to see what frequency/portion setting you entered in your SWAMI input data.  You have 5 different options (I think).  I have changed them and run new reports to see the differences.

Tea Rose




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Chloe,

Check to see what frequency/portion setting you entered in your SWAMI input data.  You have 5 different options (I think).  I have changed them and run new reports to see the differences.

Tea Rose



I'm clueless about having had 5 different options for SWAMI input data. Where
would I have had an opportunity to enter this information?  Can you please tell
me where this option is located?  I don't remember ever noticing this.

I am 5'3 1/2" tall and weigh about 140 right now...I could probably lose a few pounds but but I noticed that in the past week, just following the Teacher's diet instead of the Warrior diet, I have lost a few pounds.  When I entered my SWAMI
information, I was 143...so that's 3 pounds lost in a week.

Diet seems like it's working pretty well right now even with such low oil
and ghee consumption, but......I really just think a bit more ghee would help
my gut considering my biggest problem is these white lines and I'm gluten intolerant and had so much gut damage.

I'm starting to think I might not be doing great on dairy...My back was stiff for
many days when I was eating it...got diarrhea after 24 hours...didn't think I was  lactose intolerant...no stomach ache...but I felt I was retaining a lot of
fluid...achy and had a major headache.  Also I got little bumps on my butt and
upper chest.  Does that sound like dairy intolerance to anyone who is?  I know
I was tested many years ago and found to reactive to casein in dairy,  But Dr. D
says these Teacher cheeses help heal the gut.

I'm giving this time.. I am only eating 1/2 oz of cheese at a time...and skipping many days in between to see if I can tolerate cheese in teensy quantities.









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I've never thought that much about fat.  As long as it is good fat, I eat it in whatever quantity I eat it in...never limited it.  I eat a LOT of nuts lol!  

Don't forget that ghee is now in the dairy section, so your 3 tsp/week relates only to other oils.  Your ghee will be part of your dairy servings.

Are you trying to lose weight?  Perhaps that is why you are allowed less fat?  Remember that these are only guidelines, not hard and fast rules.  


Ghee is in my dairy section,  but look at my portions for ghee...pretty small..
that's 1/2 tsp more per week than when it was in the fats and oil category.
Actually it was in both sections at the start. I thought I could take one from
column A and one from column B...and "work" the system.  Guess not!  


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Food choices emphasizing hybridized BTD and GTD values
Portion Size: Milk: 4 ounces; Cheeses: 1-3 ounces; Ghee and Butter 1/2 teaspoon
Frequency: 4 servings weekly.



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Is this true?  Is there no limit in the legume category?  Or is there just not one listed?

It would be the same as the nuts/seeds qty.

The only unlimited quantity items are those that are superfoods with diamonds regardless of the category/section they belong in.
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