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I thought I'd start a thread for Hunters to discuss the changes their Swami Express made on the basic GTD and the possible reasons why - which of course I know have to do with health.

For instance... I am now only able to eat 3 servings of meat a week!  I am shocked... We love beef.  We've been eating it at least 5-7 times a week ever since we started the BTD.  The other thing that changed that I'm unhappy about is I am supposed to eat fish 7 times a week.  Now I'm not that much into fish at all!  

Oh and this kills me.. just kills me... 1 egg only 6 times a week!  We eat egg whites and eggs at least 5 times a week and it's not just one!!!  I LOVE EGGS.  This saddens me and it's not a diamond food anymore.. it's still a Superfood just not a diamond.  Tears.. oh the tears!

And GHEE!!!! Jesus Ghee!  1 tsp 6 times per week! What happened to unlimited amounts of ghee for digestive issues which I certainly darn well have????????


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It's all about individuality. My bet is that you will adapt and like what you find.

Did you have high secondary GT2 characteristics? (a guess on my part)


I still have yet to start inputing. Will get it done over the weekend if not sooner. Yes, I want to know.   A few more days won't kill me.  
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Quoted from Lloyd
It's all about individuality. My bet is that you will adapt and like what you find.

Did you have high secondary GT2 characteristics? (a guess on my part)


I still have yet to start inputing. Will get it done over the weekend if not sooner. Yes, I want to know.   A few more days won't kill me.  


Lloyd how would I know if I had any GT2 characteristics?  I am overweight... maybe that is why!!!  

I didn't want to say it but there it is...


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So I went back and chose Normal Frequency/Normal Portion and things improved as far as portion sizes...

4 meat
6 fish
3 chicken
8 eggs


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Hi, what is this Swami Express you speak of?   Where can I find information on it?  I am still a confused Hunter..  
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Here's a link to it in the BTD store....
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED070

It's a more specific individualized diet plan based on your personal info and the genotype diet.  

I suspect for some of us overweight hunters, these things will change, whereas ones of closer to normal weights will be different.  I am stubbornly 20lbs or so overweight, and I really want to drop them.  I know that if I eat large portions of ghee, it doesn't seem to help.  But smaller ones are fine.  Also, fish and turkey help me lose so far.  I also love beef, but I can't tell if I lose with it.  I am also dealing with female issues that make me think I am very close to a gatherer.   Hey Bailey, you still can eat chicken, that's easy to
do....!  Do you like Tilapia, it's almost like chicken if you put flavorings on it....?

Oops!  Lola beat me to it!
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Here's a link to it in the BTD store....
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED070

It's a more specific individualized diet plan based on your personal info and the genotype diet.  

I suspect for some of us overweight hunters, these things will change, whereas ones of closer to normal weights will be different.  I am stubbornly 20lbs or so overweight, and I really want to drop them.  I know that if I eat large portions of ghee, it doesn't seem to help.  But smaller ones are fine.  Also, fish and turkey help me lose so far.  I also love beef, but I can't tell if I lose with it.  I am also dealing with female issues that make me think I am very close to a gatherer.   Hey Bailey, you still can eat chicken, that's easy to
do....!  Do you like Tilapia, it's almost like chicken if you put flavorings on it....?

Oops!  Lola beat me to it!



I love Tilapia.. BUT CANNOT get it fresh here.  It's all Farm Raised.  

I bet after I loose weight and re-enter the new number my portions will rise!  


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Okay, made a first run.

Mostly unchanged but a few significant changes and a number of minor changes.

Dairy: Cheddar is my superfood/diamond. Lost Parmesan/Romano but had already noticed that the Pecorino worked better for me. Gained as neutrals Feta, Mozzarella, Farmer.

Fruit: A migration to neutrals. Pears, Blueberries, Mangos, all faves, 'lost to neutral'. Cherries gained as neutral. Good since I just ordered cherry-chocolate unibars!

Veggies: Regained Collards as a superfood! Some minor changes including eggplant as a neutral, nice.

Grains: Lost buckwheat. Rice becomes neutral/toxin. Had already stopped both. Gained oats as neutral. Corn went from a black-dot to pure toxin.

Other: Some minor changes. Nothing earth-shattering that I have noticed.
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I will post all of my changes eventually, but for now there is one that really mystifies me.   I'm supposed to eat four daily servings of grains.  Two slices of bread or half a cup of grains, four times a day for a Hunter!
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I will post all of my changes eventually, but for now there is one that really mystifies me.   I'm supposed to eat four daily servings of grains.  Two slices of bread or half a cup of grains, four times a day for a Hunter!


The book is 3 per day if I recall.

My servings went down to 1 per day, essentially what I had already been doing.....
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Quoted from Lloyd


The book is 3 per day if I recall.


The book says portions of 1/2 c of grain, 1/2 muffin, 1 slice of bread,  two or three times/day.  My SWAMI greatly increases that.  I don't think I could get down 8 slices of bread a day, even if there were some bread I could buy to eat.
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There's a place you can ask the Swami to dictate the serving type sizes based on normal frequency/normal portions; normal frequency/high portions... ect...

when i put in normal for both, my portions went up slightly.  when i just let the Swami choose, I got portions like Lloyd which wasn't to my liking!!  


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yeah Lloyd!
you got your cheddar!!


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Cheddar for Lloyd - I am happy for you!



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Cheddar for Lloyd - I am happy for you!


Are you implying that I'm 'cheesey' ?    (   )


Found a few more things. Tomato, spinach moved to neutral but so did sweet potato. Lost Chicory root, lemon balm tea and chamomille teas. Sensing a pattern. In a way it is somewhat intuitive.
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Well now I am after that pun!

I do have cheddar now as a diamond too but I don't really eat it.



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Cheddar is a no no for me.  This entire thing is so interesting!  But I can have Perconio, Parmesean and Romano which were always superfoods for me but now they are diamonds.

Lloyd you must not be overweight and you must not have arthritic issues... yes?  

Those were my main two disease processes and also right now my digestive track is whacked.

It's interesting to see what foods are offered when you are a healthy Hunter like Lloyd vs. one who is not like me!!!

How much of a Hunter percentage did you get Lloyd?


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A couple more things I noticed - I got amaranth, and it's a diamond, along with buckwheat and brown rice.  I always felt better eating more cooked grains, so this makes me happy.
Also kelp is now a total avoid rather than a superfood.
And carrots have become a superfood
And apples are neutral which is great.
Some things I can't eat because of sensitivities are Superfoods, but I will just choose other things.
Mostly though, the changes seem consistent with my own experience.

I'm going to go back and look at the portion selector option.  I don't remember seeing it.  As is, it's recommending way too much food for me.  I've always been thin and I guess SWAMI doesn't like that.
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Lloyd you must not be overweight and you must not have arthritic issues... yes?  

How much of a Hunter percentage did you get Lloyd?


Healthy if you don't factor in everything that's wrong.  

No arthritis at least. I'm not as slim as I was a couple years ago.  

54% Hunter and I know from a prior analysis that I'm around 30% Explorer.

A quickie analysis shows my caloric is set for around 2000 cal/day. Seems a hair light. When I lost all the weight it was done at about 2400+ cal/day.

EDIT: Reran with larger portions and it's another couple hundred available calories. Even got up to 2 servings of grain/day and 3 of cheese/week!

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Yikes! Just realized that all lettuce is now a superfood for moi ~ !!

EDIT: Lost the cheddar to an 'anomoly fix'.  

Also noticed that kelp is now a toxin.    The other sea vegs are all good, even Irish Moss is a neutral and the rest are superfood.

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Also noticed that kelp is now a toxin.    


Is that fucus vesiculosus? or some "other" kelp?
That would mean Deflect would be a toxin?

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kelp is one, fucus is another.....
http://www.4yourtype.com/fucus.asp


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Kelp is brown algea and includes a number of distinct species.

Bladderwrack (botanical name is Fucus Vesiculosus) is a specific species of algea. Bladderwrack is sometimes called kelp, but it is best avoid the tendency to lump all seaweeds together.


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Grains: Lost buckwheat. Rice becomes neutral/toxin. Had already stopped both. Gained oats as neutral. Corn went from a black-dot to pure toxin.



Seems amazing to me that gluten containing foods like oats become neutral for a hunter.   But I see that Lloyds second component is explorer which I guess explains it?


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Well first off, I learned that I am a Hunter!  I thought I was an Explorer.  I'm only 40% Hunter though.  I have no idea what the other 60% is... I wish I did, I'm curious.  Maybe a mix of Explorer and Gatherer?  

The great things about my new plan:  I gained a lot of foods.  I can eat just about every kind of seafood, rice milk and almond milk, hummus (yay!!), all sorts of fruit, agave, honey, chocolate, and cinnamon.  I can have eggs, parmesan, feta, and romano.  

The only things I really lost were cucumbers, catfish, papaya, pinto beans, nutmeg, lentils, goat cheese, rye, oats, and avocado.  I'm supposed to eat more vegetables, less oil, and fewer grains than I did before, and it now says that juice doesn't count towards my fruit requirement.  

Here's a question that might be sneaky:  So, on Swami, nothing on my page is said about avoiding soda.  It does say to avoid phosphoric acid, aspartame, and artificial dyes, but what about Hansen's?  It's naturally carbonated and flavored.  It's sweeted with sucralose, which can't be good for you, but I don't see it on any 'avoids' list.  


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Sucralose was an avoid for Gatherers in the GenoType book, but not listed for Hunters.

Sucralose is not listed on my SWAMI, but it is a bad food for me to eat (Causes headaches and digestive issues).

To me personally, sucralose is a chemical product rather than a food product. I recommend people eat food instead of chemicals.

Info on Sucralose:

http://www.medicinenet.com/artificial_sweeteners/page9.htm

http://www.womentowomen.com/healthyweight/splenda.aspx


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Sucralose was an avoid for Gatherers in the GenoType book, but not listed for Hunters. Sucralose is not listed on my SWAMI, but it is a bad food for me to eat (Causes headaches and digestive issues).


Sucralose is a neutral for me but too much upsets my stomach. I try not to use too much of it.

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Splenda is a trade name for sucralose I think....

not listed in mine either.....also not listed in that swami model used
for Jane P.....

aspartame is listed though......perhaps it has been left out.


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Splenda contains a bulking agent: dextrose and/or maltodextrin in addition to sucralose. Sometimes a few other ingredients depending on the formulation.


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Grains: Lost buckwheat. Rice becomes neutral/toxin. Had already stopped both. Gained oats as neutral. Corn went from a black-dot to pure toxin.



Yes I lost Buckwheat also with Rice now a neutral.  Whoa... you were not eating rice?!  Yes Oats now a neutral... and corn a full on toxin.  

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Healthy if you don't factor in everything that's wrong.  

No arthritis at least. I'm not as slim as I was a couple years ago.  

54% Hunter and I know from a prior analysis that I'm around 30% Explorer.

A quickie analysis shows my caloric is set for around 2000 cal/day. Seems a hair light. When I lost all the weight it was done at about 2400+ cal/day.

EDIT: Reran with larger portions and it's another couple hundred available calories. Even got up to 2 servings of grain/day and 3 of cheese/week!


Lloyd.. how did you find out the percentage of Explorer you were?


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Yikes! Just realized that all lettuce is now a superfood for moi ~ !!

EDIT: Lost the cheddar to an 'anomoly fix'.  

Also noticed that kelp is now a toxin.    The other sea vegs are all good, even Irish Moss is a neutral and the rest are superfood.


Yes all lettuce for me as well is a SF.  Oh wow.. no more cheddar?!  I did find I get Colby as a neutral!  

Kelp a toxin?!!! no way!  Mine is still a diamond... hummm


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Seems amazing to me that gluten containing foods like oats become neutral for a hunter.   But I see that Lloyds second component is explorer which I guess explains it?


Maldo... oats on their own have no gluten but need to be processed in a clean factory that does not also work with wheat products have no gluten.  Oats that have gluten become conaminated.  


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Yes I lost Buckwheat also with Rice now a neutral.  Whoa... you were not eating rice?!  Yes Oats now a neutral... and corn a full on toxin.  

I rarely eat rice as it does not digest as well. Now there is no reason to unless it is my only choice, like visiting or eating out.



Lloyd.. how did you find out the percentage of Explorer you were?

A prior analysis




Yes all lettuce for me as well is a SF.  Oh wow.. no more cheddar?!  I did find I get Colby as a neutral!  

Kelp a toxin?!!! no way!  Mine is still a diamond... hummm


Might be from the thyroid, my guess
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I'm really excited about doing the Swami Express!  A few questions:

does it take into account age and height when it comes to calculating calories?   I am really tiny... 4'9 and a half... so my caloric  needs would be smaller than  for most.

I was eating Hunter foods and gaining weight, but I now see my portion sizes for things like eggs, ghee were totally out of control.   I also puffed up  like a complete toad when I drank a lot of green tea with agave.....

I feel like I "abuse"  the  foods that I love instead of eating more rounded, balanced portions... I hope SWAMI will help with this!   What do you all think?
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I know that it asks your height and weight when figuring out your info.  I love my results so far.  Most of the superfoods I have I really enjoy.  The cookbook function is very cool also.  I am just waiting to print it out at a later time.  But I can visit it on my computer.  I did come out an explorer, which makes sense except that I am rh+ secretor, but I was 49% explorer.  The food lists look like some of the hunter foods are on there too, and some of the gatherer foods, so it really is a great list.  Good luck Sherri!
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it also asks about your level of physical exercise


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I think I remember that there is one option box where you can adjust the portions.



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I got four servings of beef and 8 eggs a week, also got 6 servings of fish. Fish=yucky, not sure how I am going to deal with this. I am also overweight. Beef is my happy food!!!! I did get cabbage, kraut, cherries, apples, tomatoes and tomatillios among other things I gained excited about that just not the fish.


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wwbailey,

I got four servings of beef and 8 eggs a week, also got 6 servings of fish. Fish=yucky, not sure how I am going to deal with this. I am also overweight. Beef is my happy food!!!! I did get cabbage, kraut, cherries, apples, tomatoes and tomatillios among other things I gained excited about that just not the fish.


well being overweight must have something to do with what we get cause I get the same things as you.  

yah I'm not too much into fish.  but i do like sardine patties that I make and salmon.  i tried to order sole out last night and they were out of it.  so I ate their salmon which they had undercooked at first.  i'd rather just eat meat.  oh well...

What does a tomatillios taste like?  Is that a green tomato?


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Lloyd how much meat do you get per week?


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Lloyd how much meat do you get per week?


4 or 5, depends on normal or large portion selected. Always total 9 between red meat and seafood. Always 4 poultry. No biggie.
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I get :

4 servings per week of red meats

3 of poultry

6 of fish and seafood

8 of eggs

3 of dairy - I have only neutrals listed and of them I would only eat mozzarella

5 of veg protein

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Well gone are the old days of eat alot of beef!  I mean I could eat a serving a day!


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Me too!! Tomatillos look like little green tomatoes but don't taste like them. I have only had the sauce cooked down in Mexican Food but tomatillo sauce is awesome. Not sure how else they are eaten.


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So my leg and body length, and my upper legs and lower leg lengths are virtually the same.  I test 36% for Hunter and if I make my legs 1/8" longer, I am 36% explorer.

I am going with the hunter genotype as it has changed considerably from my "normal O non Hunter style eating:  

Red Meats - 3 servings (I normally eat 5-7 servings)
Poultry - 3 servings (normally 4 servings)
Fish - 7 servings (normally 1-2 servings)
Eggs - 6 servings (about the same)
Dairy - 1 serving ( normally stay far away, lactose intolerant)
Vegetable Proteins- 4 servings (7 servings)
Carbs - 1 serving daily (only 5 choices in superfoods, artichoke flour only diamond, rice cakes out up to 2 servings a day)
Fruits - 3 servings daily
Vegetables - 7 servings daily (up from the 3 or 4)

Pretty unexpected on the fish front, I can cook a great piece of meat, but I am definitely amateur hour on fish (except for plank salmon).  Will be looking up techniques for fish this week and expanding my recipe base on this.






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For financial reasons I am considering getting the SWAMI Express rather than a visit to the good doc. Can someone advise what data is required to input in the application, that may be considered "pre-requisites"? Do you need any secretor tests etc? I havent had them done. I only know my blood type for sure, and am pretty sure about the genotype.


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For financial reasons I am considering getting the SWAMI Express rather than a visit to the good doc. Can someone advise what data is required to input in the application, that may be considered "pre-requisites"? Do you need any secretor tests etc? I hsvent had them done. I only know my blood type for sure.


The more info the better. What is nice is that the info you don't currently have can be left blank until you find out - so that argues to go ahead and order the SWAMI first and fill in the info as you can. Things like family and personal health history will also go in as you can input them.
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So my leg and body length, and my upper legs and lower leg lengths are virtually the same.  I test 36% for Hunter and if I make my legs 1/8" longer, I am 36% explorer.

I am going with the hunter genotype as it has changed considerably from my "normal O non Hunter style eating:  

Red Meats - 3 servings (I normally eat 5-7 servings)
Poultry - 3 servings (normally 4 servings)
Fish - 7 servings (normally 1-2 servings)
Eggs - 6 servings (about the same)
Dairy - 1 serving ( normally stay far away, lactose intolerant)
Vegetable Proteins- 4 servings (7 servings)
Carbs - 1 serving daily (only 5 choices in superfoods, artichoke flour only diamond, rice cakes out up to 2 servings a day)
Fruits - 3 servings daily
Vegetables - 7 servings daily (up from the 3 or 4)

Pretty unexpected on the fish front, I can cook a great piece of meat, but I am definitely amateur hour on fish (except for plank salmon).  Will be looking up techniques for fish this week and expanding my recipe base on this.





Hi Jeanb... did it tell you the % of Explorer?  I'm finding some people get this info. while others don't  

also I think the stores are going to have a run on artichoke pasta and flour!!!  

Fish... i'm in a quandry there as well.   like beef MUCH better.  oh well.



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I think the stores are going to have a run on artichoke pasta and flour!!!  

Fish... i'm in a quandry there as well.   like beef MUCH better.  oh well.



I've been eating 1-2 cans of artichoke hearts a day.  That, in conjunction with dandelion tea, has given me the most incredible complexion... I'll have to try the artichoke pasta and flour.

One good fish option I've found - though it's pricey - is smoked trout.  You can get it right out of the can, and it tastes awesome... but you might want to check what kind of oil it's packaged in.  Another idea = order a fish tostada with beans and don't eat the shell; or, sushi!  On mine, it says I need fish 6 times a week but only 2 ounces at a time, so some sushi would meet that requirement.  I guess you could do sushi rolls, but most of them have avocados and cucumbers, which are no-no's (for me at least).



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If anyone actually finds artichoke flour or pasta that does not have wheat/semolina in it, please post it.  The DeBoles brand has wheat in it.

I have been looking all over the internet.  They only flour I find has a bunch of probiotics added to it and while that is probably a good thing, I don't want to purchase it with added stuff.  I did find one company that sells organic artichoke flour to businesses.  They said that they have received so many calls that they are working on a web-site to sell it to individuals.  I left my name, phone number and email address to be notified when it is up and running.



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been eating 1-2 cans of artichoke hearts a day
smoked trout.  You can get it right out of the can, and it tastes awesome...


those apparently are citric acid free!
and additive, flavor, nitrite free.....
or you have no adverse reaction to anything corn based.....
got the brand for others out here?


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I'm so depressed and sad about ghee.

it's gone from eat all you want to 1 tsp 4 times a week.  that's shocking...

anybody have a clue why this would happen?

it used to be listed in oils as well as dairy and now it's just in dairy with this awful restriction.        


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SYMPTOM

The portion/ servings for butter and ghee are listed under 'Dairy' but these foods are missing from that category.

PROBLEM

These foods are listed under 'Fats and Oils'

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Fixed. Foods have been moved to 'Dairy category'


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yes i saw that Lola.. that's why i went and looked and discovered the awful truth about ghee.  

oh well.. more olive oil.

God I'll miss ghee.


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Remember that the Swami program is being changed a fair bit right now as problems come up and are fixed. Just rerunning your Swami with no input changes can give different results. I wouldn't make drastic changes in your diet until this settles down, especially if it doesn't feel right to you.    If your heart swells with joy when you feel that  a certain food is back on your list I definitely would try it!

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those apparently are citric acid free!
and additive, flavor, nitrite free.....
or you have no adverse reaction to anything corn based.....
got the brand for others out here?


OH, you got me on the canned artichokes.  I didn't know citric acid was a problem; is it considered to be a type of vinegar?  As for the smoked fish, the only ingredients are: fish, oil, "smoke," and salt.  It's all from Trader Joe's: smoked trout, sardines, herring, and oysters.  The trout is in canola oil, which is neutral for me.  Each of the others are canned in olive oil.

But, now I'm pressed to find a new "easy" vegetable.  The artichoke hearts were perfect, because they didn't require any preparation or clean up or even a can opener.  I don't have time right now for "real" meals, let alone cooking or washing dishes... I will have time beginning August, but not now.

I guess baby carrots are an option, but ick.  Today, I got pre-packaged steamed beets, and those were okay,  but messy.  Dried seaweed could work, but you need so much of it to equal 1 cup.  Maybe canned pumpkin, if I bring a can opener?

I can't wait to be a normal human and eat/sleep/exercise again.  


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The citric acid and the 'smoke' are not desirable but depends on your level of compliance. Some people don't seem to be affected by the citric acid (corn based) but others are. The 'smoke' is just a no-no.
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I just ordered the Express today as I found out a visit with the Doc would be prohibitive (I'm unemployed). It looks like I will really have to up my fish intake along with the rest of you ... wonder what kinds of things you can make with sardines  :p  I eat them now on a rice cake with some chopped up onion. I bought some wild salmon in a can but havent gotten around to eating any yet.
We need a team meeting with a motivational speaker to come and get us eating our fishy friends instead of our beloved beef and chicken. YUCK.
I would be SOOOO happy if I could get oats and apples back in. I am too much a Scots not to eat them for too long  


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Holy cow, what ISNT corn in?  


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I just ordered the Express today as I found out a visit with the Doc would be prohibitive (I'm unemployed). It looks like I will really have to up my fish intake along with the rest of you ... wonder what kinds of things you can make with sardines  :p  


here's what i do with sardines...

mash two cans of sardines in a bowl with two eggs, 2 tbl rice flour, a pinch of cayenne powder.  

put in a large frying pay... spread out with a spactula to cover entire bottom of pan like a pancake, cook until one side is done, then flip and cook the other side.  

cut into 4 pie like pieces and freeze until ready to eat.

thaw and cover with lemon juice and salt.

delicious with rice or a salad.



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Alright now.. I need to hear from other Hunters that hopefully have had this experience.

many times when I am following the Hunter diet to the Tee... I get very restless at night.  My body.. not my brain.  It tends to want to move and not rest.  It's like there is un-used energy that needs out.

It's quite uncomfortable when trying to rest.  

I end up taking a valerian but I'd rather know what's up with this.

I exercise about 6 times a week for about 40-50 minutes per session either walking or on an aerobic type exercise machine so I know it's not that.

Anybody else?  And suggestions?


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Sounds like RLS (restless leg syndrome).  Check out other threads with the search feature, it has been discussed a few time in various places...
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I have a restless, can't get comfy body at night sometimes, too.  I've discovered that it's mostly when I have just protein and non-starchy veggies for dinner.  For me, having some fruit as a snack a hour before bedtime helps a lot.  I think the brain just needs some carbs so the seretonin can do it's job of slowing me down and relaxing me.




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I have a restless, can't get comfy body at night sometimes, too.  I've discovered that it's mostly when I have just protein and non-starchy veggies for dinner.  For me, having some fruit as a snack a hour before bedtime helps a lot.  I think the brain just needs some carbs so the seretonin can do it's job of slowing me down and relaxing me.


Well Lloyd.. it's not just my legs.. entire body.

And yes.. we had a non-starcy dinner last night. I had salmon, swiss chard chips and fruit.  so maybe there is something there.  


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Well Lloyd.. it's not just my legs.. entire body.

  


Same thing. It's what the syndrome is called.

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Well Lloyd.. it's not just my legs.. entire body.
And yes.. we had a non-starcy dinner last night. I had salmon, swiss chard chips and fruit.  so maybe there is something there.  

I'm the same. It seems like the more I work out and eat right, the less I can rest. I get really wired and feel like a spinning top. I just lie in bed for hours flipping around and getting cocoon'd in the sheet  
When I used to bodybuild someone told me that is a symptom of over-training.
I can sometimes get a crash if I eat some starch. I have tried B12 and that doesnt help me (in that respect). Let me know if you find out what is going on. I am just thankful for being unemployed while my body reacts to all this rebuilding and renewing!
Also thanks for the sardine recipe! That actually sounds doable!  


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I'm the same. It seems like the more I work out and eat right, the less I can rest. I get really wired and feel like a spinning top. I just lie in bed for hours flipping around and getting cocoon'd in the sheet  
When I used to bodybuild someone told me that is a symptom of over-training.
I can sometimes get a crash if I eat some starch. I have tried B12 and that doesnt help me (in that respect). Let me know if you find out what is going on. I am just thankful for being unemployed while my body reacts to all this rebuilding and renewing!
Also thanks for the sardine recipe! That actually sounds doable!  


Ah finally someone with the same thing!  I thought maybe someone here would be able to recommend some kind of calming supplement.  I already take B-12.  I guess I can try the magnesium again.  



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Oh, I recently discovered something.  I was taking the cyanocobalamin for b12, and after switching to the methyl form (which I found recommended on another thread), I found that I am sleeping much more restfully, once I get to sleep (like, sleeping all night with no tossing or turning.)  The trick I found, is to take it in the later afternoon (5 or 6ish) not right before bedtime.  It doesn't help me get to sleep so much, not that I usually have that problem, but I sleep better.




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Well we take the NAP brand (don't know which type that is); and it says to take before bedtime without food... so that's when we take it with our Polyflora and NAG and Magnesium.


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Ah finally someone with the same thing!  I thought maybe someone here would be able to recommend some kind of calming supplement.  I already take B-12.  I guess I can try the magnesium again.

I take a fair amt of Mg as well for muscle spasms, and it doesn't seem to help a whole lot. Does help with the chronic constipation tho (sorry, TMI)
I got my SWAMI today so am planning a fun weekend learning even more about myself and finding proposed solutions! DId you get the SWAMI?


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Alright now.. I need to hear from other Hunters that hopefully have had this experience.

many times when I am following the Hunter diet to the Tee... I get very restless at night.  My body.. not my brain.  It tends to want to move and not rest.  It's like there is un-used energy that needs out.

It's quite uncomfortable when trying to rest.  

I end up taking a valerian but I'd rather know what's up with this.

I exercise about 6 times a week for about 40-50 minutes per session either walking or on an aerobic type exercise machine so I know it's not that.

Anybody else?  And suggestions?


Did you try the alternate nostral breathing?


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Well we take the NAP brand (don't know which type that is);

the best type!
read about the difference between cyano and methyl cobalamine
http://www.4yourtype.com/methylb12.asp


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Ok so... cornish game hen on my swami is a diamond and chicken is a superfood.

anyone have a clue as to why?  


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is this your swami?
or the list from the book you follow?

in all swamies, there s detailed info as to why certain foods are diamonds or SFs......

domesticated birds which are
known to be free of immuno-reactive proteins, lectins and other allergens....
I believe this is the difference between one and the other value....


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I'm so depressed and sad about ghee.it's gone from eat all you want to 1 tsp 4 times a week.  that's shocking...


Staying up late, running the SWAMI...
Holy SMOKES I'm a GATHERER?!?!? So I can't chat with the Hunters any more  
You think you are bad off ... my ghee is 1/2 tsp 3x weekly. Basically I can walk by the jar and wave at it, sigh.


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Staying up late, running the SWAMI...
Holy SMOKES I'm a GATHERER?!?!? So I can't chat with the Hunters any more  
You think you are bad off ... my ghee is 1/2 tsp 3x weekly. Basically I can walk by the jar and wave at it, sigh.


Talk with us any time you like! Just leaves more roast duck for us....  
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Ali Tot,

I only get 1/2 tsp of ghee 1x a week!

And it is listed in so many of my geno-harmonic foods too, but if I only get 1/2 tsp once a week guess I won't be using it often to geno-harmonize!

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When I have sleepless nights, maybe 1 per month (usually hormone related or over exercised sore muscles), I take 1000mg of 5htp and an advil.  Advil is the only thing that can relieve my lactic acid muscles.  

My A husband takes tryptophan (I can't take them, they knock me out for days).  

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here s what I do about the ghee in my life!

I simply sprinkle a capsule of intrinsa on my salad, among other nap goodies, like fucus, and live cell......yummmmmmmmm!

on my fruit I add other more sweetish tasting stuff, like harmonia, ara6......


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I'm curious to know if any other Hunters are intolerant of chemicals?  
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I'm curious to know if any other Hunters are intolerant of chemicals?  


Absolutely.   In my case I think its partly a 'hangover' from earlier candida.
I cant stand tobacco smell, am careful with cleaning products and don't like city centres because of pollution...


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My chemical tolerance has improved significantly, mostly while still on BTD.
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I am extremely chemically sensitive:

gasoline/petroleum
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I'm very sensitive to chemicals, easily getting severe headaches from gasoline fumes, perfumes, cleaning products.  I'm also easily nauseated by certain food smells, like cooked bell peppers and brussels sprouts.  But, I love a little whiff of skunk once in awhile  




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Interesting.  We are supposed to be able to tolerate environmental chemicals better.  
I was injured by formaldehyde and am very sensitive to that, in any form, including forest fire smoke in addition to all the usual things.  My recovery time may be somewhat shorter since the BTD/GTD, but I still react and am sick for a while after bad exposures.
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there might also be a relation to all your taster status.....
might be worth looking into


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Wow.. I just had most of my rice choices move over into superfoods!  This must have been an update.

the GTD always had rice as a superfood and then when I went swami it changed to neutral..

on re-checking which I do every few days (with all the changes and subtle corrections Dr. D is making), there all the rice was back in the left superfood column.  ya hoo!  i've got white rice in neutral.

Oh.. here's a question.. coffee is a total avoide, but decaf is not listed.  any chance decaf is a neutral?  i use an organic water processed instant brand, when i use it.


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Oh.. here's a question.. coffee is a total avoide, but decaf is not listed.  any chance decaf is a neutral?  i use an organic water processed instant brand, when i use it.


Good question. My instinct says 'no' but that's not a sufficient answer....
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check all other food lists for all GTs, see if decaf is listed....


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I think decaf was listed as a black dot in the book.  i'll check.


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So coffee is a black dot in the book.  in my swami it's an avoid.. so  have to go with the swami.

also "Mozzerala cheese - all types" is a neutral.  I didn't know there was more than on etype of Mozzerala cheese.. is there?

and I can't seem to find hemp milk in the GTD book or the swami.. i thought for sure I had seen it in the book as a superfood..so it must be a neutral.  anyone?


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Two questions..

does anyone know why Carob is not listed anywhere in my Swami?  I thought maybe under Spices or Beans.. but nothing... so a neutral?

Also if I'm allergic to some medications but not to any foods, do I list on my swami info. that I have allergies?


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it should be listed...try the find feature


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I see carob in Vegetable Proteins.


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also "Mozzerala cheese - all types" is a neutral.  I didn't know there was more than on etype of Mozzerala cheese.. is there?



any thoughts/info. on the above?


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"Mozzarella cheese - all types"

I do not know what is meant. I presumed it referred to types of milk used to make it.

Traditionally Mozzarella is made from water buffalo milk.

In the States, it is usually made from cows milk (although sometimes a mixture of cow and buffalo).

Some varieties use whole milk some use skim milk

String cheese is sometimes considered to be a type of mozzarella.

I would also presume all types does not include smoked, stuffed, presliced, shredded, or artificial mozzerala


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"Mozzarella cheese - all types"


I would also presume all types does not include smoked, stuffed, presliced, shredded, or artificial mozzerala


well i'm going to assume that as well!

even though i prefer Manchego.. which is also a neutral.. in a pinch I will use Mozzerala...


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Oh yes.. I found the carob powder.. it's a diamond!

so this morning my tea was:

A bag of Mate and Green mixed together with carob and chocolate powder added as well as some vegi glycerine, peppermint and a splash of soy milk.


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try a more compliant milk perhaps?


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hemp or rice milk are the only ones.  soy is a black dot.  it's the only black dot i'm using in extreme limited amounts.

i didn't have time to whip up rice milk this am.  so soy it was.


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fine.......so I'm a gatherer...or am I?
But can we talk? What does it mean if it says I'm 44% gatherer? What's the other 56%? (I put in that I was gatherer and it agreed, 44%.)
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fine.......so I'm a gatherer...or am I?
But can we talk? What does it mean if it says I'm 44% gatherer? What's the other 56%? (I put in that I was gatherer and it agreed, 44%.)


Read this thread Jayneeo...  

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1249043756/

Also were you ever a Hunter?


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hemp or rice milk are the only ones.  soy is a black dot.  it's the only black dot i'm using in extreme limited amounts.

i didn't have time to whip up rice milk this am.  so soy it was.

Bailey.. IBS and soy in a Hunter? Why risk it?
Maybe try drinking it without any milk type product.






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I have to start cutting out foods and keeping a diary as i had some compliant chocolate last night and it tore me a new gut.  awful.  obviously chocolate is not my friend.  sigh.


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Wow.. I just had most of my rice choices move over into superfoods!  This must have been an update.

the GTD always had rice as a superfood and then when I went swami it changed to neutral..

on re-checking which I do every few days (with all the changes and subtle corrections Dr. D is making), there all the rice was back in the left superfood column.  ya hoo!  i've got white rice in neutral.


Ok.. now it's weird.  All rice went back over into neutral... makes no sense... anybody have a clue?

Also when choosing to eat beans (from Vegetable proteins), it lists the amount of nuts and nut butters to have but does not list how much of a bean serving we can ingest... (anybody?)

And in regards to the below, does this paragraph apply to the Neutral cheeses listed in my Swami such as Colby and Manchego?  I don't think the Swami would give me cheese choices that the intestinal bacteria can feed on... even in the Neutral Catagory.. I would think those would be black dots or avoids.

GT1 Hunters should generally minimize dairy products, at least during the first six months on The GenoType Diet, as they not easily digested and tend to increase inflammation. A few of the hard cheeses can be used immediately, and a few of the softer cheeses introduced at about the three month mark.These dairy choices are designed to correct digestive imbalance by restricting the carbohydrates available to intestinal bacteria and yeast. Only the carbohydrates that are well absorbed are included, so that intestinal bacteria have nothing to feed on. This helps to correct the bacterial overgrowth and the related mucus and toxin production.


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Also when choosing to eat beans (from Vegetable proteins), it lists the amount of nuts and nut butters to have but does not list how much of a bean serving we can ingest... (anybody?)



wwbailey,

Dr. D said in another thread that he is going to be looking into this.  

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wwbailey,

Dr. D said in another thread that he is going to be looking into this.  

Tea Rose



I'm glad to hear this.  I can't imagine a half cup of sesame seeds is equal to a half cup of green beans.



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oh, and thanks bailey, I checked your link....


did you end up 'getting it?'  I still don't quite.. but I have a slight understanding.

dim... I'm a dim light bulb... when it comes to scientific stuff...  


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Interesting outcome here too:

Meats: got venison back
Poultry: goose is a super food
Fish: very fwe fish are avoids now. Superfood list is the largest category (yuppeeee)
carbs: lost buckwheat
Live foods: got romaine and spinach back, celeriac (yummy) is a superfood now, all the nightshades are avoids (will miss those peppers)
Fruits: blueberries, cherries and plums are back!
Spices: parsley is back (actually I consume it live rather than as spice),  



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Interesting outcome here too:

Meats: got venison back
Poultry: goose is a super food
Fish: very fwe fish are avoids now. Superfood list is the largest category (yuppeeee)
carbs: lost buckwheat
Live foods: got romaine and spinach back, celeriac (yummy) is a superfood now, all the nightshades are avoids (will miss those peppers)
Fruits: blueberries, cherries and plums are back!
Spices: parsley is back (actually I consume it live rather than as spice),  



Interesting... we are similar.. except I do get peppers even though I have osteoarthritis!  weird, huh?  

I haven't looked for Parsley but I bet I have that back too.. still cannot eat nutmeg.  


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Interesting... we are similar.. except I do get peppers even though I have osteoarthritis!  weird, huh?  

I haven't looked for Parsley but I bet I have that back too.. still cannot eat nutmeg.  


Similar maybe because we are at the same age

Nutmeg is an avoid for me too, but then I never had a taste for it anyway


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Going to try this recipe from cooks.com using mozzerella. Might add other stuff too, looks adaptable:

XIPA  

5 c. tapioca starch
1 1/4 c. butter
8 eggs
1 1/2 bland white cheese
1 c. milk
1 tbsp. salt
1 tsp. crushed anise

Sift starch into a large bowl. Place eggs and butter in starch and mix well. Add salt, milk and anise. Add small pieces of cheese. Knead dough until smooth. Cover and set aside for ten minutes. Make into large or bits sized loaves. Bake in oven at 425 degrees for 20 to 25 minutes. Can roll lightly in corn meal before baking.
Xipa is a Guarani Indian word meaning cake. The Guaranie live in Paraguay. Vendors in Paraguay sell this on the streets in a basket on top of their heads. As they pass they call out "xipa caliente", which means - hot xipa.
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um......milk?????
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Quoted from jayneeo
um......milk?????


I get both rice and almond milk now.  

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and why am I even reading this since  am not a hunter? Well, I kinda like the whole hunter thing...I just wanna see what they come up with to eat and such. Of course I can have a lot of them, since my swami is a blend of BTD and GTD. Lemme know how that cake comes out, Lloyd.
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Well I thought I would just join in on the Hunter talk.

A few Hunters were disappointed to lose unlimited ghee and gain such large amounts of fish. They thought it might be because they were overweight.

I am underweight, and also lost unlimited ghee (4 servings of dairy per week-ghee = one tablespoon) and I have 7 servings of fish.

In a separate post, I expressed my concern for the amount of food I should be eating. It's huge! I have been trying to adapt but just can't eat it all. Sixteen servings of animal protein per week, 7 servings of veggies per day, 4 servings of fruit per day, 4 servings of carbs, it's just too much!

Also, like many Hunters, very sensitive to environmental chemicals. I am having a hard time at my new job with the cleaners they use. And there is no way to avoid it! Ick!

And like so many others, thrashing around at night, just can't settle down. Have tried many suggestions, White Chestnut, Tranquility Base, Methyl 12,Plus and Catechol. So far nothing has helped. I exercise like a Hunter and my body should need to rest. I hope some day this will work itself out.

Lisa


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Another thing to try is valerian....
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And 5-htp.  It doesn't knock me out, but does help with the racing thoughts and keeps me asleep most of the the night, without the morning hangover.  Years ago my doctor had me taking trazodone so I could sleep through the night without waking up half a dozen times, which led to contstant headaches.  It worked well enough, but I could hardly get up the next morning.  5-htp works similarly for me, but I'm wide awake and ready to go the next morning.  

Melatonin works well for me when I have a hard time settling down in the summer because it stays light later, and I really need to be in bed by 10:00.  I find I really don't need it during the months when it's dark by 7 or 8.




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I just finished my SWAMI profile and printed out my food list.  I'm surprised to be a hunter, thought I was a gatherer for sure.  
Since I'd been following ER4YT my food list didn't change all that much from the original O diet so I'm fine with that.  
It is interesting that my diamond foods are some of my favorite foods and even some that aren't favorites but foods I crave from time to time.  
Favorites that are diamond: lamb, sardines, rainbow trout (I order this EVERY time I see it on a menu, LOVE IT), peas, ginger, romaine, swiss chard, turnip greens, bananas (I eat one every day), mango and guava, watermelon!
Rye flour has been giving me heartburn and now I know why, it's a black dot avoid.  
Amaranth is a diamond superfood so I need to get some recipes for that.  I'm glad to still have rice, it's a major comfort food for me.  


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Oh yes, I forgot, tried Valerian too, Lloyd, but thanks! I am thinking maybe someone could just hit me over the head with a hammer. That might put me out for awhile, or maybe not!


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Hi All

So, I've finally taken the plunge and got my Swami Express.  Came up 50% Hunter, so no great surprises there

Apologies in advance for the length of this post - am just very excited by my results!!

Some interesting movements on my foods and serving sizes (from the off-the-shelf Hunter variety):

Red Meat (5 servings/week): mutton and venison are now diamonds; lamb downgraded to superfood; rabbit upgraded to superfood (yum); veal and sweetbreads both upgraded to superfoods

Poultry (4 servings/week): pheasant and squab are now diamonds; duck downgraded to superfood; ostrich and partridge both now superfoods.

Fish & Seafood (4 servings/week): cod, flounder, hake, mackerel (Atlantic), scrod and sturgeon have all be upgraded to diamonds; bullhead, opaleye fish, perch, pike, shad, skipjack and yellowfin tuna, yellowtail have all been added to superfoods.

Eggs & Roes (9 servings/week): chicken eggs (white/yoke/whole) downgraded to superfood; duck eggs (whole) downgraded to neutral.

Dairy (milk x 6 ounces; cheeses x 2-4 ounces; ghee & butter x 1 teaspoon - 3 servings/week): manchengo and romano cheese both upgraded to diamonds; ghee downgraded to superfood; milk (indian buffalo) added to superfoods.  Like some others here - am moarning the loss of so much of my precious ghee  

Vegetable Proteins (nuts/seeds x half cup; nut butters x 2 tablespoons - 6 servings/week): almond cheese, almonds, hemp seeds, peas, pecans, pine nuts, and walnuts all upgraded to diamonds  . Lima beans and lima bean flour downgraded to superfoods. Hazelnuts upgraded to superfood. Chinese chestnuts downgraded to neutral.

Fats & Oils (1 tablespoon, 5 servings/week): chia seed oil, flax/linseed oil, olive oil, perilla seed oil all upgraded to diamonds; almond oil, black currant seed oil, coconut oil all added to superfoods.

Carbohydrates (grains/cereals x half cup; baked goods x 1/2 muffin or 1 slice bread - 2 servings/day): artichoke flour/pasta, flaxseed bread, brown rice flour/brown rice all upgraded to diamonds  . larch fiber, malanga/tannier/xanthosoma all added to superfoods. Buckwheat/kasha downgraded to neutral.

Live Foods (1 cup x 6 servings/day): asparagus, broccoli, celery, Chinese kale, dandelion greens, escarole, fenugreek, garlic, jarusalem artichoke, kale, okra, onions, parsnips, pumpkin, rutabaga, all sea vegetables - bladderwrack/kelp/kombu/nori/spirulina/wakame, sweet potato, Swiss chard and turnips all added to diamonds  . Avocado, beets, bok choi/pak choi, carrots, endive, horseradish, lettuce iceburg & romaine, tomatoes all added to superfoods   (especially on the tomatoes and avocados)!

Fruits (1 cup or medium sized fruit x 3 servings/day): banana, blueberries, edlerberries, goji berries, guava, passion fruit, paw paw, peach all upgraded to diamonds  . Lingonberries and pineapple downgraded to superfood; nectarines, Persian melon, prickly pear, Spanish melon all added to superfoods.

Spices (1 teaspoon x 2 servings/day): dulse, ginger (spice), oregano, saffron, sage and tarragon all upgraded to diamonds ; cilantro and turmeric downgraded to superfoods; basil, bay leaf, licorice root, dry mustard, paprika, red pepper flakes and rosemary all added to superfoods  !

Beverages (6-8 ounce glass x 3 servings/day): celery juice, elderberry juice, ginger root tea, kombucha tea, pineapple juice all upgraded to diamonds ; beet juice, blueberry juice, cherry juice, goji berry juice, pomegranite juice, seltzer water, watermelon juice all upgraded to superfoods  ; rice milk and red wine both upgraded to neutral  !

Am so, so happy with the above results!!!  Can't wait to get started!

Sorry again for the long message, but wanted to share my results  .

Happy Hunting

Andy  


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Hi Andy,

I can feel your excitement! I know how you feel about the ghee. Enjoy your new diet!

Lisa


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Thanks Lisa

Andy  


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afraid to do SWAMI lest I loose my beloved Ghee!!! Why is the Ghee being taken aways, I wonder?
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gosh!
a SF is a beneficial in my book!!!


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I wonder as well, 4thRabbit. For many of us it has been reduced, thankfully not eliminated. Every change I have made to SWAMI never gets me any more ghee!! Strangley, when I selected thryroid issue, which is debatable for me, I gained some cool cheeses, like Gouda! Haven't eaten any though, since I am not really sure if I have issues.


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Lola, absolutely - ghee as a superfood is definitely a beneficial to me too.  I'm just disappointed that the quantity has gone down quite so much.

Hey-ho, have gained a lot more than I've lost with Swami that's for sure.  Can't wait to see how much better I feel on the new diet!!!

Andy  


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OMG what if I lost chocolate?
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OMG indeed  !

Thankfully, it remains a diamond food for me    Phew!

Andy  


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i'm still coming to terms with celery and carrots being an avoid for me on SWAM... not even a black dot!!?
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Quoted from Plucky
I have a restless, can't get comfy body at night sometimes, too.  I've discovered that it's mostly when I have just protein and non-starchy veggies for dinner.  For me, having some fruit as a snack a hour before bedtime helps a lot.  I think the brain just needs some carbs so the seretonin can do it's job of slowing me down and relaxing me.


I find this to be true for me too. I definitely think it's the lack of starchy carbs that is the problem. Dr. Amen, the popular author and expert on brain health, recommends that everyone eat a certain amount of starchy carbs every day in order to have enough serotonin and get that feel good high that we all need for healthy brain function and mood balance. I've noticed when I go a whole day without any starchy carbs, not only do I have trouble sleeping (normally I sleep like a baby) and get very restless at night in bed, but I get SOOO irritable. Dr. Amen says that we need starchy carbs in order to avoid that restlessness and irritability. I don't want to take any sleep aids, would rather just eat some starchy carbs. Problem solved. However, not very many starchy carbs allowed in my Swami diet! Ugh! (I've got to avoid gluten)
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Ok Hunters.. where is a gal on the West coast supposed to find Buffalo Milk!!!????? I'm so wanting to find a source...
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ive run a swami but i find it difficult to avoid all my avoids that were neutrals on the BTD, is it ok if i'm generally healthy for me to mostly follow the BTD?
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Ambermac - I personally do better with BTD than swami. If you did BTD before and it worked I would do it.
And, thank you, so happy to see others who need their carbs. I do horribly with too much protein. Plus it was getting difficult as I found chicken to be bad for me. That was a hard one to accept and I always blamed it on too much starch at a meal or a seasoning but I finally got it nailed that chicken is a huge culprit for me and have felt so much better eliminating over the past two weeks. I can't go huge carbs and definitely stay away from wheat and white rice flour but an extra portion of quinoa or millet certainly makes me feel better than worse.
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What's up with thyroid and cheeses?
In 2010, post 132, Wholefoodie, commented on this.
I added thyroid and gained a ton of cheeses which I am not yet eating, because I don't quite dare to. Also, while naturopath thinks thyroid is an issue,  I am waiting for some test results.

BTW, I used to be a Hunter, but changed my swami MB profile after doing a more detailed version of MB. This occurred after a couple of monthe on swami diet.  Essentially, when I am feeling healthier, I am less "judging" and twitchy. So I suppose that was the tipping point for GT.  




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