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LauraT
Saturday, July 18, 2009, 9:33pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Well first off, I learned that I am a Hunter!  I thought I was an Explorer.  I'm only 40% Hunter though.  I have no idea what the other 60% is... I wish I did, I'm curious.  Maybe a mix of Explorer and Gatherer?  

The great things about my new plan:  I gained a lot of foods.  I can eat just about every kind of seafood, rice milk and almond milk, hummus (yay!!), all sorts of fruit, agave, honey, chocolate, and cinnamon.  I can have eggs, parmesan, feta, and romano.  

The only things I really lost were cucumbers, catfish, papaya, pinto beans, nutmeg, lentils, goat cheese, rye, oats, and avocado.  I'm supposed to eat more vegetables, less oil, and fewer grains than I did before, and it now says that juice doesn't count towards my fruit requirement.  

Here's a question that might be sneaky:  So, on Swami, nothing on my page is said about avoiding soda.  It does say to avoid phosphoric acid, aspartame, and artificial dyes, but what about Hansen's?  It's naturally carbonated and flavored.  It's sweeted with sucralose, which can't be good for you, but I don't see it on any 'avoids' list.  


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Sucralose was an avoid for Gatherers in the GenoType book, but not listed for Hunters.

Sucralose is not listed on my SWAMI, but it is a bad food for me to eat (Causes headaches and digestive issues).

To me personally, sucralose is a chemical product rather than a food product. I recommend people eat food instead of chemicals.

Info on Sucralose:

http://www.medicinenet.com/artificial_sweeteners/page9.htm

http://www.womentowomen.com/healthyweight/splenda.aspx


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Quoted from C_Sharp
Sucralose was an avoid for Gatherers in the GenoType book, but not listed for Hunters. Sucralose is not listed on my SWAMI, but it is a bad food for me to eat (Causes headaches and digestive issues).


Sucralose is a neutral for me but too much upsets my stomach. I try not to use too much of it.

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Splenda is a trade name for sucralose I think....

not listed in mine either.....also not listed in that swami model used
for Jane P.....

aspartame is listed though......perhaps it has been left out.


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Splenda contains a bulking agent: dextrose and/or maltodextrin in addition to sucralose. Sometimes a few other ingredients depending on the formulation.


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wwbailey
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Quoted from Lloyd

Grains: Lost buckwheat. Rice becomes neutral/toxin. Had already stopped both. Gained oats as neutral. Corn went from a black-dot to pure toxin.



Yes I lost Buckwheat also with Rice now a neutral.  Whoa... you were not eating rice?!  Yes Oats now a neutral... and corn a full on toxin.  

Quoted from Lloyd


Healthy if you don't factor in everything that's wrong.  

No arthritis at least. I'm not as slim as I was a couple years ago.  

54% Hunter and I know from a prior analysis that I'm around 30% Explorer.

A quickie analysis shows my caloric is set for around 2000 cal/day. Seems a hair light. When I lost all the weight it was done at about 2400+ cal/day.

EDIT: Reran with larger portions and it's another couple hundred available calories. Even got up to 2 servings of grain/day and 3 of cheese/week!


Lloyd.. how did you find out the percentage of Explorer you were?


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Yikes! Just realized that all lettuce is now a superfood for moi ~ !!

EDIT: Lost the cheddar to an 'anomoly fix'.  

Also noticed that kelp is now a toxin.    The other sea vegs are all good, even Irish Moss is a neutral and the rest are superfood.


Yes all lettuce for me as well is a SF.  Oh wow.. no more cheddar?!  I did find I get Colby as a neutral!  

Kelp a toxin?!!! no way!  Mine is still a diamond... hummm


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Seems amazing to me that gluten containing foods like oats become neutral for a hunter.   But I see that Lloyds second component is explorer which I guess explains it?


Maldo... oats on their own have no gluten but need to be processed in a clean factory that does not also work with wheat products have no gluten.  Oats that have gluten become conaminated.  


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Yes I lost Buckwheat also with Rice now a neutral.  Whoa... you were not eating rice?!  Yes Oats now a neutral... and corn a full on toxin.  

I rarely eat rice as it does not digest as well. Now there is no reason to unless it is my only choice, like visiting or eating out.



Lloyd.. how did you find out the percentage of Explorer you were?

A prior analysis




Yes all lettuce for me as well is a SF.  Oh wow.. no more cheddar?!  I did find I get Colby as a neutral!  

Kelp a toxin?!!! no way!  Mine is still a diamond... hummm


Might be from the thyroid, my guess
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SheriBerry
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I'm really excited about doing the Swami Express!  A few questions:

does it take into account age and height when it comes to calculating calories?   I am really tiny... 4'9 and a half... so my caloric  needs would be smaller than  for most.

I was eating Hunter foods and gaining weight, but I now see my portion sizes for things like eggs, ghee were totally out of control.   I also puffed up  like a complete toad when I drank a lot of green tea with agave.....

I feel like I "abuse"  the  foods that I love instead of eating more rounded, balanced portions... I hope SWAMI will help with this!   What do you all think?
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I know that it asks your height and weight when figuring out your info.  I love my results so far.  Most of the superfoods I have I really enjoy.  The cookbook function is very cool also.  I am just waiting to print it out at a later time.  But I can visit it on my computer.  I did come out an explorer, which makes sense except that I am rh+ secretor, but I was 49% explorer.  The food lists look like some of the hunter foods are on there too, and some of the gatherer foods, so it really is a great list.  Good luck Sherri!
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it also asks about your level of physical exercise


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I think I remember that there is one option box where you can adjust the portions.



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wwbailey,

I got four servings of beef and 8 eggs a week, also got 6 servings of fish. Fish=yucky, not sure how I am going to deal with this. I am also overweight. Beef is my happy food!!!! I did get cabbage, kraut, cherries, apples, tomatoes and tomatillios among other things I gained excited about that just not the fish.


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wwbailey,

I got four servings of beef and 8 eggs a week, also got 6 servings of fish. Fish=yucky, not sure how I am going to deal with this. I am also overweight. Beef is my happy food!!!! I did get cabbage, kraut, cherries, apples, tomatoes and tomatillios among other things I gained excited about that just not the fish.


well being overweight must have something to do with what we get cause I get the same things as you.  

yah I'm not too much into fish.  but i do like sardine patties that I make and salmon.  i tried to order sole out last night and they were out of it.  so I ate their salmon which they had undercooked at first.  i'd rather just eat meat.  oh well...

What does a tomatillios taste like?  Is that a green tomato?


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Lloyd how much meat do you get per week?


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Quoted from wwbailey
Lloyd how much meat do you get per week?


4 or 5, depends on normal or large portion selected. Always total 9 between red meat and seafood. Always 4 poultry. No biggie.
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I get :

4 servings per week of red meats

3 of poultry

6 of fish and seafood

8 of eggs

3 of dairy - I have only neutrals listed and of them I would only eat mozzarella

5 of veg protein

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Well gone are the old days of eat alot of beef!  I mean I could eat a serving a day!


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Me too!! Tomatillos look like little green tomatoes but don't taste like them. I have only had the sauce cooked down in Mexican Food but tomatillo sauce is awesome. Not sure how else they are eaten.


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So my leg and body length, and my upper legs and lower leg lengths are virtually the same.  I test 36% for Hunter and if I make my legs 1/8" longer, I am 36% explorer.

I am going with the hunter genotype as it has changed considerably from my "normal O non Hunter style eating:  

Red Meats - 3 servings (I normally eat 5-7 servings)
Poultry - 3 servings (normally 4 servings)
Fish - 7 servings (normally 1-2 servings)
Eggs - 6 servings (about the same)
Dairy - 1 serving ( normally stay far away, lactose intolerant)
Vegetable Proteins- 4 servings (7 servings)
Carbs - 1 serving daily (only 5 choices in superfoods, artichoke flour only diamond, rice cakes out up to 2 servings a day)
Fruits - 3 servings daily
Vegetables - 7 servings daily (up from the 3 or 4)

Pretty unexpected on the fish front, I can cook a great piece of meat, but I am definitely amateur hour on fish (except for plank salmon).  Will be looking up techniques for fish this week and expanding my recipe base on this.






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For financial reasons I am considering getting the SWAMI Express rather than a visit to the good doc. Can someone advise what data is required to input in the application, that may be considered "pre-requisites"? Do you need any secretor tests etc? I havent had them done. I only know my blood type for sure, and am pretty sure about the genotype.


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Quoted from Ali Tot
For financial reasons I am considering getting the SWAMI Express rather than a visit to the good doc. Can someone advise what data is required to input in the application, that may be considered "pre-requisites"? Do you need any secretor tests etc? I hsvent had them done. I only know my blood type for sure.


The more info the better. What is nice is that the info you don't currently have can be left blank until you find out - so that argues to go ahead and order the SWAMI first and fill in the info as you can. Things like family and personal health history will also go in as you can input them.
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So my leg and body length, and my upper legs and lower leg lengths are virtually the same.  I test 36% for Hunter and if I make my legs 1/8" longer, I am 36% explorer.

I am going with the hunter genotype as it has changed considerably from my "normal O non Hunter style eating:  

Red Meats - 3 servings (I normally eat 5-7 servings)
Poultry - 3 servings (normally 4 servings)
Fish - 7 servings (normally 1-2 servings)
Eggs - 6 servings (about the same)
Dairy - 1 serving ( normally stay far away, lactose intolerant)
Vegetable Proteins- 4 servings (7 servings)
Carbs - 1 serving daily (only 5 choices in superfoods, artichoke flour only diamond, rice cakes out up to 2 servings a day)
Fruits - 3 servings daily
Vegetables - 7 servings daily (up from the 3 or 4)

Pretty unexpected on the fish front, I can cook a great piece of meat, but I am definitely amateur hour on fish (except for plank salmon).  Will be looking up techniques for fish this week and expanding my recipe base on this.





Hi Jeanb... did it tell you the % of Explorer?  I'm finding some people get this info. while others don't  

also I think the stores are going to have a run on artichoke pasta and flour!!!  

Fish... i'm in a quandry there as well.   like beef MUCH better.  oh well.



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I think the stores are going to have a run on artichoke pasta and flour!!!  

Fish... i'm in a quandry there as well.   like beef MUCH better.  oh well.



I've been eating 1-2 cans of artichoke hearts a day.  That, in conjunction with dandelion tea, has given me the most incredible complexion... I'll have to try the artichoke pasta and flour.

One good fish option I've found - though it's pricey - is smoked trout.  You can get it right out of the can, and it tastes awesome... but you might want to check what kind of oil it's packaged in.  Another idea = order a fish tostada with beans and don't eat the shell; or, sushi!  On mine, it says I need fish 6 times a week but only 2 ounces at a time, so some sushi would meet that requirement.  I guess you could do sushi rolls, but most of them have avocados and cucumbers, which are no-no's (for me at least).



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If anyone actually finds artichoke flour or pasta that does not have wheat/semolina in it, please post it.  The DeBoles brand has wheat in it.

I have been looking all over the internet.  They only flour I find has a bunch of probiotics added to it and while that is probably a good thing, I don't want to purchase it with added stuff.  I did find one company that sells organic artichoke flour to businesses.  They said that they have received so many calls that they are working on a web-site to sell it to individuals.  I left my name, phone number and email address to be notified when it is up and running.



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