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Adam
Thursday, November 18, 2010, 2:21am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Had a big walk today, ate another block of tofu tonight, it's 8:20pm and I'm getting awful sleepy.  Zzzzzzzzzzzzz  
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I must try that tofu recipe for my As...try as I have, I haven't been able to convince them to like tofu as much as I do (and I'm the one who's not supposed to eat it).


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Y'know, when my A brother told me 5 years ago (at age 50) that he couldn't sleep all the way through the night (he had a heart problem) I suggested he try magnesium. He went out and bought a jar of caps that day and took 300mg that night and slept through. He's been taking it ever since, but I think it's time for him to raise his dose. There are people for whom it's an instant success story. I don't know your condition, but I'll say this, you'll get diarrhea from high doses of magnesium long before you do yourself any damage. I'd consider a 250-500mg dose of magnesium in the evening IF your insomnia pattern is "middle-of-the-night-waking-with-inability-to-fall-back-asleep". It's quite specific. Calcium can be used the same way, in a blend with magnesium, depending upon your own ability to metabolize it. We B's don't generally need to supplement with calcium; we can get it easily through a diet that includes dairy. Look into the bloodtype literature on magnesium and/or on your own medical conditions and the use of magnesium in conjunction with it.

Also, since high stress is such a big part of your picture, to the point where you're, as you say, biting your fingers compulsively, magnesium can be a real calmer. Anything under 1000mg is within normal limits for MOST people, but do the research and make up your own mind about it. Don't take my word for it, but don't ignore it either...

Good luck!


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Had a big walk today, ate another block of tofu tonight, it's 8:20pm and I'm getting awful sleepy.  Zzzzzzzzzzzzz  
Wow that tofu is potent stuff... "Love the bit about go to bed when sleepy/don't stay up surfing the net" Hmmm need to start taking that advice Not that I have any trouble whatsoever  sleeping - more actually getting to bed  

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Thanks, san j, for the advice on magnesium.  I found this webpage:

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/food/magnesium-foods.htm

I noticed a lot of my superfoods on that list.  The SF's high in Mg that I like from that list are Barley, Oat Bran, Almonds, Black Beans, White Beans, Pumpkin Seeds, Soy, and Spinach.  

Considering each time I eat the whole block of tofu I get knocked out, perhaps you are onto something.

I'll get a bottle of Mg from the store and see what happens.  I'll post the results here.
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I must try that tofu recipe for my As...try as I have, I haven't been able to convince them to like tofu as much as I do (and I'm the one who's not supposed to eat it).


If your A's like salty things, then this is the ticket.  I have recently switched from firm to soft tofu, as well, as I like the creamy texture of soft, compared to the sponge-like texture of firm tofu.  

Just take the entire cake and squeeze it gently over the sink until you get as much water from it as possible.  Then wrap it in a bunch of paper towels and squeeze it some more.  You won't get all of the water out of it even after this.

Slice it up (around 2" by 4" pieces, around 1/2" thick) and coat it in the brown rice flour.  Let them sit and absorb the flour for a while.  Then coat them again.  Even a third time.  Heat a little non-stick pan, and add light olive oil until to about 1/2 depth.  Don't heat the pan too high, just medium to medium high.

Lay a couple pieces in the oil, and use a good set of tongs to pick them up and gently turn them.  Let them go about 4 or 5 minutes each side, until light brown, and then onto a plate with paper towels.

Mince several cloves of garlic and add to either soy sauce (very salty) or wheat free tamari (not as salty), and stir the garlic around in the soy sauce.

Give each person their own little bowl with the garlic soy sauce, a couple of pieces of tofu on a plate, and see what happens.

You might be pleasantly surprised.  
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OMG...I love tofu....unfortunately....a thing of the past.
So.....I can't sleep. I'm really sleep-deprived at this point. last night I got about 3 hrs. I worry about the health repercussions....how bad is it to take benedryl? the stuff helps, but I didn't have any last night. I take melatonin, mag., d-3, and progest cream.
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IMO, it's better to take  benedryl and get healing sleep than it is to be sleep deprived. Sleep deprivation can really wreck havoc with your whole system, far more than the side effects of one dose of benadryl (especially when only taken at night, not all day long for allergy releif.)

You still need to make sure you're getting the minerals you need, see if your method of handling stress needs adjustment, seek out dietary and environmental triggers for sleeplessness, etc. Benadryl won't take away the need to fix the deeper issues. But it can help break the cycle of not sleeping and then being overtired and unable to sleep.

I personally don't like taking it because it interferes with my ability to be alert in the middle of the night if one of the kids needs me, although I do use it when I'm sick if I'm too stuffed up to sleep.

I managed to get to the supermarket today, leaving DS home (with adults downstairs) for about half an hour. I got fresh (not frozen) ground beef for tonight's dinner (the one in the freezer intended for tonight will be used next week.) I also got more juice and frozen peas, and earned the free frozen turkey (that I intend to pick up on Sunday.)

DS has had a whole cup of apple juice so far today (1-4 teaspoons at a time) and is currently eating macaroni and cheese. Pray that it stays down! OK, he had about an ounce before deciding he'd had enough.

I plan to get a meatloaf in the oven before taking him to the doctor this afternoon. This way, even if we get delayed, we'll still have a good dinner ready.

My foods today:

beet kvass, proberry syrup, beneficial teas, eggs in ghee with veggies and spices
lunch: leftover beef patties, leftover yellow quinoa, green beans with toasted sesame oil and ume plum vinegar.


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OMG...I love tofu....unfortunately....a thing of the past.
So.....I can't sleep. I'm really sleep-deprived at this point. last night I got about 3 hrs. I worry about the health repercussions....how bad is it to take benedryl? the stuff helps, but I didn't have any last night. I take melatonin, mag., d-3, and progest cream.


1. Do you know why you can't sleep?
2. And why is benedryl your solution? Why that choice?


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thanks, ruthiegirl, and good job getting dinner ready early just in case!
my probs with sleep just build when I am indeed supertired...nerves just get frazzled. could be all the work I did for my recent art show....was exhausted, but it happens pretty regularly, then I'll move into a better pattern...up to 6 hrs a night and then I feel fine....I haven't had 7 in a loonnnnnggg time.  
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my probs with sleep just build when I am indeed supertired...nerves just get frazzled. could be all the work I did for my recent art show....was exhausted, but it happens pretty regularly, then I'll move into a better pattern...up to 6 hrs a night and then I feel fine....I haven't had 7 in a loonnnnnggg time.  


Ever try melatonin? Peter recommends it for Gatherers.



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I mentioned melatonin above...I use it religiously.
I never ever used benedryl before, but someone said it can get you to sleep so I tried it and its a big help, but one doesn't want to get into overdoing it. thanks for your thoughts.
I've noticed that as I start to fall asleep, I catch myself resisting, as if I had to stay awake to finish cramming for a test...!! (indeed sometimes I am trying to finish reading something...but not for any reason!) these are habits that need some tweaking!!!
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It's "worse" if you're writing something, something creative especially, such as poetry or a story or novel or screenplay, or if you're painting. I'm often inspired while I'm falling asleep, as well as while waking. The "right" word'll come to me, or if I'm trying to retrieve a lost phrase or paragraph, it'll just show up, and I'll wake up to write it down, so I can use it/rememorize it, whatever. I don't know if I'd call it insomnia, though. It's more "Creative Process". Comes with the territory.

But just wondering: If you use melatonin religiously, why not now?


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no, I do use it now....but sometimes my insomnia roars right through it!
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no, I do use it now....but sometimes my insomnia roars right through it!


What's your dosage?



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3 mg.
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Try 5.


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Quoted from Melissa_J
I must try that tofu recipe for my As...try as I have, I haven't been able to convince them to like tofu as much as I do (and I'm the one who's not supposed to eat it).

Have you ever boiled it in salted water before cooking it? I know I saw that some place in a book or on the internet. might get rid of that beany taste.


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will do, san j. thanks.
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quoted from Andrea:

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I would go with the tranquility base the cathecol for O's.. and Methyl-B12


I have all of these on my shelf. The only one I take regularly is catechol. The other two did not help. I have 4 caps of Methyl B left. I think I was only taking one before bed. I will try two. I'll finish up the Tranquility Base but in the past it has not helped. Tried melatonin, Bach Flowers, Valerian, some natural sleep aid from my Naturopath and other suggestions, but so far, it's still a challenge. I will not give up!! I have a book called "Desperately Seeking Snoozin," that I bought several years ago. I just took it out a few nights ago and started reading it again to see if I missed anything.


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OMG..funny title!...please report any findings right to us, here!
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I "dream" about the day I will put my head down on the pillow and wake up several hours later! And yes, I am compliant and have tried every suggestion on the boards!

Lisa

If you're indeed diet-compliant, try these suggestions: Play with 'em:

An intense physical workout every morning.
Avoidance of alcoholic beverages, especially in the evening.
Valerian tea or tincture in the evening.
Chamomile tea in the evening.
Holy Basil supplementation
Rhodiola Rosea supplementation
Wild Oat extract supplementation.

(The three herbs at the bottom don't have to all be taken. You may find one that works for you, in conjunction with everything else.)

I don't know you. I don't know your condition(s) and what you mean by "compliance". But these are pretty innocuous suggestions that might get you thinking/doing...


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Hi san j. Compliant for me means compliant. Recently (after almost 2 years on the diet) I allowed myself to cheat on a holiday or vacation but other than that, I follow SWAMI.

Thanks for the suggestions! I am beginning to think years of "I can't sleep" has given me exactly that, until I change my thoughts. Have been working on it but old habits die hard.

From now on "I sleep like a baby, I sleep like a baby!!!"


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From now on "I sleep like a baby, I sleep like a baby!!!"


1. Babies often do not sleep through the night! In fact, the first time I saw this thread's title in the line-up, I figured some new parent was exulting over that transition with the infant  

2. If compliance with your program doesn't suffice you, then you need to individualize your program!
3. Sleep is one of those things people can stay up all night talking themselves into! I don't advise that.


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I really am just a big baby, so it all makes sense to me now.  
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