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Valerie
Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 9:45pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Very, very interesting. I remember how all of this started for me. I started working with the public and I got sick and stayed sick, then I broke out in hives all over my body. I itched terrible. The only thing that helped was soda baths. I went to the Dr. and they gave me antiobiotics and prednisone. Nothing helped. I spent around $1,000 for nothing. My ex-husband brought home a book he found and said I got this for you because you are sick all of the time. I was in the bathtub broke out with hives reading this book. I was horrified and became scared with what I was reading about perservatives, pesticides and ingredients in our foods. I was in shock about the drugs we take. It was a very powerful book and it woke me up. I first started a multi-vitamin, garlic and vitamin-c and the hives disapperard and I got better in 4 days. Then, I t tried a cleanser and it had the Blood Type Diet as one of the diets for a guide. I went to the Health store and this lady knew all about it. She got me started and that is how I found Dr. D. I lost 60lbs in 5 months following it faithfully. This diet is a miracle. I never felt better in my life. I will end on that positive note. Good Luck to you all!!!
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SandrAruba
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I know how people can get excited about this lifestyle. I know I am and I have to contain my enthusiasm when people ask me what I am doing to myself, because people are constantly telling how much better I am looking and ask me "how much weight did you loose??!!"

The other day I was talking to someone and she told me that her doctor told she probably had spastic bowels, my first reaction was straight from my heart and I told her she could probably get rid of a lot of her symptoms by just changing what she eats. Then she tells me she also had a thyroid problem and gained about 20 kilo's in the last few months. Yeah, I could see that. So I shared a part of my thyroid problems and how BTD helped me. But the more I said that she could get rid of a lot of symptons, by eating different, the more she was telling me how much she liked, milk and cheese and bread and chicken... and then proceeds to tell me that when she eats those things she gets sick and stomach pains.

I told her I was more then happy to help her start with a different diet that will make her feel good. She said she would rather wait for the results from the test she is going to get next month. At that point it dawned on me, people do not like to take responsibility. They will not accept that they are the ones causing their ailments and will rather be able to say "I can't help it, my doctor tells me I have ....(name your ailment here)". Or, "my doctor doesn't know what's wrong with me".

And it makes sense, it's so much easier to blame someone else for what is wrong for you then to say, "I'm feeling like s**t because I eat the wrong things".

Those who are brave enough to take matters into their own hands are the ones on this board or at least they are willing to learn. Anyone on BTD/GTD knows that when you eat the wrong things, you are responsible for feeling bad. And you know very well that if you eat the right things again you will feel good again.

We all have our weaknesses and for most people food is a comfort thing and they are just not willing to give up certain things. Furthermore, most don't believe that it can be THAT wrong. How can it be bad if it has the "healthy choice" label from the government on it?

I am glad I found BTD and anyone willing to listen I will tell them about it. Otherwise I have learned to keep my mouth shut (even though that is so very hard sometimes).

Now if only I can get myself to take responsibility in other areas of my life as well...





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Monday, September 6, 2010, 5:27pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Couldn't have said it any better SandrAruba, those are my thoughts exactly.
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Trying to make others wrong will not make a difference.  Their "no" is just a "no for now".  This protocol may not be for everyone.  


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You can't force people to change if they don't want to. In my area of the midwest corn, pork, wheat, and dairy are the main staple foods that are all served at almost every meal. Most people are not open to change and refuse to ever do so. When I got diagnosed with celiac disease (gluten intolerant) everyone told me to stop being such a baby and just eat it (meaning wheat). The only people I know that are open to this kind of lifestyle are people I've met in college that are from other areas of the US and from other countries. Some are even from Colorado and have got me thinking about moving there after I finish up grad school
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Quoted from SandrAruba
At that point it dawned on me, people do not like to take responsibility. They will not accept that they are the ones causing their ailments and will rather be able to say "I can't help it, my doctor tells me I have ....(name your ailment here)". Or, "my doctor doesn't know what's wrong with me".

And it makes sense, it's so much easier to blame someone else for what is wrong for you then to say, "I'm feeling like s**t because I eat the wrong things".



Yes, and I believe the same applies with psychological health too!

So many are being given a label by doctors and prescribed medications. Depression for example. I was sued by an employee recently because according to the law they are not responsible for their disruptive moods and offending behavior because they suffer from depression. Behavior which would otherwise be grounds for dismissal.

"I am a complete [insert offensive word here], but I cant help it... my doctor says I have [name your clinical psychological disorder here]" ...

And then they continue to carry on taking destabilizing meds, visiting the doctors who cant really help, and they continue to feel sorry for themselves and seek pity from those around them.
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yes, diet ought to be the first line of defense.. THE only thing I will say on this is that more and more people are hearing about genetic differences and about food allergies.. so there is hope .. dim as it seems to be it still is a light in a long tunnel..    


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Dr. D’s comment:  “In reality, the largest single cause of death is 'lifestyle suicide.”


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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Frankly, I think this is still a work in progress for Dr. D.  It's taken decades to get where it has, but every now and then, he'll add something for a particular group that doesn't seem to be getting the most benefit from their particular diet, based on the latest research (usually fancy-schmancy, double-blind type studies).  That's what the GenoType Diet was for (and holy cow am I thankful for that).

I think we're all on the same page in the sense that most in the U.S. just want a pill to control their symptoms.  Conventional medicine isn't "bad" per se.  If it wasn't for vaccines and antibiotics and steroids, a lot of us would be dead right now, regardless of the right diet.  But in terms of chronic diseases and aging, you'd be hard pressed to find, in my OPINION, a better "cure" than the GTD.

Here's my personal testimony.  I had ER-worthy period cramps every single month on my standard American diet.  I was scared to death that I would continue having periods for several decades.  I tinkered with the idea of a hysterectomy in my twenties.  Once I went on the O BTD, no period cramps AT ALL.  I don't take any pain relievers for my period - at all - because I don't need them anymore.  I told my OB/GYN about my results?  "That doesn't sound right.  I can't imagine why eliminating something from your diet would make your periods better."  I love her, she delivered my son and does my yearly exam impeccably, but I hope that my little tidbit of information might open the door to her helping more of her patients and doing her job a little more effectively.  I don't want to see Western medicine eliminated, because I think it has it's place, but I just want people to open their eyes to things in medicine other than "band-aids".

And I think we can all agree on that.


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I wonder if ever it would be worth to pull out all the testimonies of people posted over the years.. and place them in one thread... and then send that thread to our doctors..

and it could have a the same effect in a thread that would show threads about how hard this diet is when one would rather drink a bottle of gin and get the weight loss food issue under control that way..  I don't drink but I might start.. I am so darn accustomed to eating avoids when I go out.. gin would be no worse..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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So true!


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Yes, and I believe the same applies with psychological health too!

So many are being given a label by doctors and prescribed medications. Depression for example. I was sued by an employee recently because according to the law they are not responsible for their disruptive moods and offending behavior because they suffer from depression. Behavior which would otherwise be grounds for dismissal.

"I am a complete [insert offensive word here], but I cant help it... my doctor says I have [name your clinical psychological disorder here]" ...

And then they continue to carry on taking destabilizing meds, visiting the doctors who cant really help, and they continue to feel sorry for themselves and seek pity from those around them.


I agree with both these comments. I can't believe how many people are begging for bills and how many bipolar people live here. I look at what they eat and how they live, what they are doing to themselves. If they would just clean up their act (food and behavior) they would be healthy and happy


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The other was Sandr Aruba's comment on meds.  

I understand they are useful, but I know people here (where I live) who are telling their doc. to give them Prozac or whatever as if it will make everything right.


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I hear it from my own family.  The avoids are ALL THE THINGS I LOVE.  I have to tell myself over & over again, they are young they still have the get out of jail free card.  If I don't tell myself this, I will LOSE MY MIND.
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I haven't had wheat in 3 years, started BTD  a year and a half ago, and  have been following SWAMI for nearly 6 months. And I still have fibromyalgia. If fibromyalgia was nothing more than a bread allergy, I would have healed years ago! Unfortunately, nothing in life is quite that simple.

I'm sorry you're in so much pain right now, and I hope you detox quickly.


I don't know what "swami" is... but you may have further allergies... like to gluten or something....?? or maybe you have been sicker longer... and it'll still happen for you... but it'll take longer
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I wonder if ever it would be worth to pull out all the testimonies of people posted over the years.. and place them in one thread... and then send that thread to our doctors..

and it could have a the same effect in a thread that would show threads about how hard this diet is when one would rather drink a bottle of gin and get the weight loss food issue under control that way..  I don't drink but I might start.. I am so darn accustomed to eating avoids when I go out.. gin would be no worse..


OH I know!! I've thought things like this for years!!  But no.... they want money... and they disease to continue to make their living... especially after investing all that college time & money... so sad..
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ktluvz2bmama ... you are right about rants.. they do cause disturbances.. I should have labeled the post I am crying out loud.. ... it might have been easier to understand.. from my point of view..

as for rants.. better we have some here.. then stuffing it inside..

some posters understood my intentions while others did not..  in the end its not important. its just another post amongst so many.. BUT on the other hand if I could get my 200 thousands in money back for money I spent even outside of good medical insurance, I would be much better off in my old age.  And if I could get back my many years of painful suffering ( so many wasted days) I would be having a much better time to remember..  and I would not be one of the people that will have kidney disease from taking to many pain killer pills and getting immune from to many Antibiotics..

so yes words are potent and the wrong headline is indeed a problem.. but so is my frustration with all of us who suffer - needlessly!  like the mother of a sick child suffers enormous stomach issues but her doctor laughs at diet being a cause.. so she is 70 pounds over weight and soon will be given surgery .. but this BTD diet?-- No way!! ... would any one like to pay for that unnecessary surgery? and save her the money for it? and help her family while she recuperates??  ............... I don't think so ... BUT the doctors in her life will be happy, (she will go on the no food diet to accommodate the lap band) while she still will be sick from the AVOID foods.. foods that add weight, that cause her illness and make her feel bloated heavy and depressed.. But yes words are potent.. HER specialist laughed at the idea of BTD as a diet..  and she never considered it again.. after all Doctors know best.. and their words are POTENT also..

so if I put you off, then so be it, but don't use my words as on excuse for making your decisions.. much better you think for your self.. good luck.. and good luck with your hormones.. would you like to share the info on that? what did it do for you and who thought you?? I would like to have you shout from roof tops, it might help me to cope with my issues of not having slept more than 3 hours at a time for 20 years.. in fact- please help.. thanks..  


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I haven't had wheat in 3 years, started BTD  a year and a half ago, and  have been following SWAMI for nearly 6 months. And I still have fibromyalgia. If fibromyalgia was nothing more than a bread allergy, I would have healed years ago! Unfortunately, nothing in life is quite that simple.


Hi Ruthiegirl,

Since avoiding gluten 3 months ago, the primary health benefit I have is that my arthritis is gone.  I still get fibromyalgia flares, though, and it seems to coincide with eating corn derivatives (e.g., corn starch, citric acid, maltodextrin, some vinegars, dextrose, vanilla flavoring, vitamins, and even iodized salt is refined with corn).  Corn is insidious and so much harder to avoid than gluten!  I'm sure if you're following the O Nonnie BTD you also are avoiding corn.  But so much still sneaks into our food supply.  A really good web site that discusses corn allergens is http://www.CornAllergens.com

So I agree, fibromyalgia is not a bread allergy.  I'm more and more convinced it is a corn allergy, at least for me.  Do you avoid corn?  Do you have any tips for avoiding all of those hidden corn products?  The best way I've found is to avoid all products that have anything added, but that's not practical to do every time.



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great results ST!!!


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If I stay on BTD .. and eat O Nonnie SUPER BENEFICIALS and BENEFICIALS then I have no pain.. if I went back to (many) avoids I would be as bad as I ever was.. even neutrals are difficult for me..



Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Though I agree with everything you are saying the answer is simple, drug companies control everything..

(I THINK) I read somewhere that drug companies pay for much of what is taught in medical school. So doctors are brainwashed into using drugs to help patients symptoms from the get go.

Think about it... what would drug companies who make billions of dollars of prescriptions medications get out of publicizing information about how their diet could help them feel better? The drug companies would lose SO MUCH money.

Decreased pain meds, depression, anti inflammatory drugs, adhd meds, I mean.. the list goes on and on. I actually have read how different types of meds.. like anti depressants actually block some type of allergen that usually reaches the brain which can be a cause of depression (or something like that).
      Pretty much the drug companies know that interactions with foods influence moods, but they gain nothing from telling society to change this or that in their diet.

Even though it is all very corrupt and wrong... it is what it is. And since the drug companies have so much money, they have such a hold on the medical system and the media. Money = power


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What is consciousness, if not a state to be altered?
If it helps to substitute for the phrase "messed with" the word "clarified" or "purified" or "alchemised" or "beautified", then perhaps my meaning is taken. A mind is a terrible to waste.
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yes, use the search window, top right corner here and read all which has been said here
on this same ole same ole song!!!


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...on the other hand if I could get my 200 thousands in money back for money I spent even outside of good medical insurance, I would be much better off in my old age.  And if I could get back my many years of painful suffering ( so many wasted days) I would be having a much better time to remember..  and I would not be one of the people that will have kidney disease from taking to many pain killer pills and getting immune from to many Antibiotics..

...it might help me to cope with my issues of not having slept more than 3 hours at a time for 20 years.. in fact- please help.. thanks..  
What is it that is stopping you sleeping? Surely the BTD/GTD/Swami would address that? Do you think emotional yearning (such as the above "if I could get back....") is robbing you of peace? Or perhaps an imbalance of supplements? Are you getting enough magnesium?

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