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Lola
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this is a self help forum and everyone is free to express what s in their minds, as long as no one gets hurt in the process.

anyone wanting to participate goes through a registration process and only those looking for their personal answers to health go through that process.

moderators here do their best in keeping these forums safe.
you are also free to express your believes, even though some may consider your approach different from theirs.

let s try and respect people as they are as long as they are not causing any harm.
free expression is key in a democracy.


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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I started the BTD and moved on to the Genotype. My husband was a little skeptical, couldn't understand why I was so strict and fanatical. He actually got upset if I didn't "cheat". Well, the changes were so profound that he decided to let me change his diet. He is kind of a crazy life changing dieter himself now. I do "cheat" though. Yeah, I have a day of discomfort. Is it worth the discomfort I feel and the extra pound or 2. Ask me while I'm eating it, I'll say yes. Afterwards no. Will I do it again..probably. They are just some things that I can give up. Pizza. Ice cream. We are all going to die some day of something. Why suffer and regret that I didn't enjoy something that I really loved?? Feeling guilty about it just aggravates my A stress level. There has to be a happy medium. I agree  with seagypsy when she said ......calm down or all of this will just be treated in the same regard as a numb skull commercial.


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I mean really how stupid can a society of MULTY MILLIONS  be??

Ignorant. Immensely.



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so it is... but this is and was the true intention of some
associations to rule the world by working with all kinds of feeling to get people into the right track to  manipulate us to the finest.... as Ruiz mentiones... look and verify your thoughts and believe systems.... it's all about that as well...


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I see what you’re saying Sea gypsy.   It is like people who are passionate about their religion or politics and want everybody to believe as they do.  If they get over zealous, then they turn people off.  But I also see why Goldie wants to shout it from the rooftops, but she doesn’t, she posts here where her fellow BTDers are.  This forum is where we can feel comfortable freely expressing our love of this diet and frustration that the whole world doesn’t believe as we do.


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fine statement RL ..........


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Quoted from seagypsy


I was just browsing through the forums this morning when I came across this and I felt I had to say something.
I have been reading a lot of Doctor D's stuff lately. Some I agree with and some things I am skeptical about. Some things I have taken on board and other things will never become part of my life. In other words I am getting what I need out of this without spending a whole load of dosh and without becoming fanatical.
Its words like the above that really put me off this entire thing but then I have to nip myself because it wasn't so long ago that I made such an enlightening discovery about my own hormones, that I wanted to shout it off the rooftops.. I wanted every middle aged woman to have a full understanding of hormone imbalance and how they could radically help themselves. Its frustrating isn't it, when all these people you feel you could help, just don't seem interested. What I learnt on that journey is not to become obsessed. Obsession looks like an addiction and addiction looks like an illness. Before you know it, nobody is listening to you anymore and your just another fruit cake statistic.
I get the impression on here that some people believe that they are somehow superior to those who are not following the diet. The little outburst that I quoted is in my opinion, disturbing enough to put off the curious. If this had been the first post I had ever read on here it would also of been my last.

There are ways of passing on information by intelligent and logical discussion.
Showing frustration is counter productive to ones own health and actually does more harm than good.

My message is.... calm down or all of this will just be treated in the same regard as a numb skull commercial.




As Lola said above, we come here to voice opinions & frustrations here because most people here understand & have been through similar situations.  We are not obsessed or think we are superior to non BTD people.  Just the opposite we try to get our family & friends on board because we know it will help them & we love them....
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seagypsy
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Your right. Everyone has a right to voice an opinion and that’s exactly what I am doing and what I will do in this very post.
I wouldn’t stoop so low as to call millions of people stupid as I think that’s more than a little unreasonable. Its only very recently I even so much as heard of this diet and from hereon, its up to me to read, research, read the pros and cons and make an informed decision.
A double blind study according to Wikipedia is, a blinded experiment where some of the persons involved are prevented from knowing certain information that might lead to conscious or unconscious bias on their part.
WE ARE NOT PARTAKING IN A BLIND STUDY
Neither are we a ‘collective study’, but more a collective consciousness.
This is a pro forum where huge influence towards everything Dr D says is ‘truth’ but wherever one finds and learns in a certain direction, they will become part of cognitive bias.  There is no room here for controversy. We can be as expressive as we want providing we DON’T hesitate in our belief. Our belief may of stemmed from proof that something worked for ‘US’ or proof that something worked for ‘OTHERS’ or our belief may of grown from an emotional state where we need to believe. That belief is our last and only hope.
My belief remains suspended between two contradictory propositions and that right now, at this moment in time, I am unable to assent one way or another.  It is very typical for some people, in a place such as this, to work on convincing me. ‘I have been on the diet; it has done wonderful things for my health, my weight and my mental state. I have seen the diet work and so it must be the truth’. Others would see me as a threat, an un-pure imposter and others would wonder what I was doing here.
I came here out of interest but was always conscious that this diet and this following was not a charity and that amongst all this happy bliss, large sums of money were swapping hands.
I came here with the full knowledge of persuasion and that knowledge has allowed me to read these forums without being influenced by a proactive un-scientific group.  
I haven’t knocked the diet, I haven’t knocked any of this but I have asked some pertinent questions that I believe are very relevant to this lifestyle.  I feel almost embarrassed to ask relevant and logical questions just in case those questions show doubt. Its like I have entered someone else's putative territory and I must show a puritan attitude if I’m to be accepted.
I must emphasize though WE ARE NOT A STUDY. If we were a study then we would be getting all these vitamins, minerals, books and DVD’s for free and possibly even be paid for doing this.
Neither are we volunteers! We come here from need and personal choice.  This is not another Framingham study (which btw is ongoing)
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Quoted Text
our belief may of grown from an emotional state


this lifestyle has in fact helped many emotionally, among other benefits


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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All the words above are wonderful even as they provide better conversations..

I am crying for all those who are being told by DOCTORS that this or that is the right American diet, never even giving the results reported here a second thought!

I cry for those who are not supported because they don't know, because their Nutritionists don't know the differences..

I cry for all who quaver over words and don't see past them.  its those restrictions that does not make progress in food pyramids, the progress is way to slow and one sided.. sad!

I see the differences THINKING for one self can do, as is shown by PC and a many others here who really do test, who really do contribute and who do experiment in their own body's with the available info to make them and their families feel better!

I feel for all who suffer-- I was one of them-- I suffered enormously for years and years and I feel for all who are yet coming here to learn and decide what is good for them..

I get so many wonderful photos in e-mails sent to me .. I wish I could forward pictures of mouthwatering foods created with health in mind to all and circle the world with them..

and as we get healthy so will our minds get healthy also..  and the crying can stop..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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That's our Goldie!


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I feel for all who suffer-- I was one of them


past tense is past tense!
well done!


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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No we are not in a study, we know that.  Sorry if some of us pretty much hold Dr. D in the highest esteem but we don't blindly follow him either, she was just being over zealous sometimes it happens.  
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seagypsy
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To paraphrase Charlie Chaplin, a quote that seems appropriate here.



'Man as an individual is a genius. But men in the mass form the headless monster, a great, brutish idiot that goes where prodded.'
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we can learn a lot in 15 years.. 25 is even better.. someone said: we are not wise until after 50.. and you don't believe it until your 50..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Alas, brain fog also kicks in around that time.
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Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Actually, this is where I go full hardheartedly with Dr D theories.
This is about optimizing nourishment not only for your body but for your brain too.
The right diet provides many benefits, including improving learning and memory and helping to fight against mental disorders like depression, mood disorders and even dementia.
Brain fog will hopefully become a thing of the past  
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Quoted from seagypsy
To paraphrase Charlie Chaplin, a quote that seems appropriate here.

'Man as an individual is a genius. But men in the mass form the headless monster, a great, brutish idiot that goes where prodded.'
Love it!!!!

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Actually, this is where I go full hardheartedly with Dr D theories.
This is about optimizing nourishment not only for your body but for your brain too.
The right diet provides many benefits, including improving learning and memory and helping to fight against mental disorders like depression, mood disorders and even dementia.
Brain fog will hopefully become a thing of the past


So you see we say the same thing.. wishing we could bring enlightenment to all those who need it and those who could make a difference in million of lives with 'professionals' at least just not talking against our way of eating, living and sharing what we learn here for so many years already...   

  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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So you see we say the same thing.. wishing we could bring enlightenment to all those who need it and those who could make a difference in million of lives with 'professionals' at least just not talking against our way of eating, living and sharing what we learn here for so many years already...   

  

All you can do is give people the necessary information and let them do their own research.
What we shouldn't do is blame them, call them stupid or dense if they decide not to use the same route as yourself.
You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
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so here is the understanding I am writing about..

No-  doctors STILL think in their educated minds that BTD has nothing to do with health, that diabetics should eat so many carbs with the results being that they need more meds.. That organizations like the HEART, CANCER Society and the March of dimes and autism orgs still don't support the work done here -one person at a time -to prevent illness long before it gets out of hand.  The same for the NATIONAL education system that is still feeding all our kids food that will do nothing but turn on their brain addiction centers, or overload their ability to think after school lunches.. only to soon need endless meds for stomach regurgitations and worse.  Children suffer, as do adults, and sadly even our doctors do also.. two of my previous doctors are 150 pounds overweight, have diabetes, psoriasis and urinary issues.. but they EAT A BALANCED diet full of carbs and full of expensive cheeses and foods that could so easily be replaced, going from AVOID to BENEFICIAL.. and they both would be caught dead rather then come here to learn.. they did all their 'learning' in med school.. way superior!!

Yes,  People who come here are free to make their own decisions, no issues with that, but I have seen to often where people in authority are actually discouraging their clients -who are asking for help- admonish thus disallow them to even to 'think' about coming here and allow them freedom to choose... laughing all the way to the bank.  

maybe You where reacting to semantics - I was looking at the big picture and the lives of many who suffer..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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We have to appreciate that most general practitioners further their education by reading glossy documents sent to them by the giant pharmaceutical companies. The ones with a little more 'get up and go' will also read medical trials, case studies, pilot studies, clinical trials. They need reading matter.
Coming here and reading the forums is not something a doctor is likely to do and even if he did, what would it all mean? its no different than going to a religious forum and reading that 'religion' made our lives so much better. An nonreligious person would just say,'that doesn't prove there is a God'
This is not about being convinced, its about proof.
Why or how could a doctor suggest this diet when he doesn't know the outcome? what if something happened to his patient. What if his patient died and he suddenly found he had a law suit hanging over his head? A doctors job is to prescribe a product that has been medically tested because only that way can he safeguard his livelihood.

I was sat reading one of Dr D's books the other day when my niece inquired about it. I explained briefly about Dr D's beliefs and she became more interested.
My niece has a rare brain tumor, she has diabetes mellitus and diabetus insipidus. Her pituitary gland is embedded in the tumor and she needs numerous drugs just to keep her alive. She is blind in one eye and her body size is large because of all the drugs. My niece has an excellent 'Multi disciplinary team'. She has one of the worlds most renowned neurosurgeons and that team have prolonged her life expectancy by 5 years. Its medical professionals like this that I have the utmost respect for.
She may well be interested in her blood type. She smiled when she discovered she was a warrior but for people like her, that's as far as this can go. I for one would never encourage someone like her to try anything that her MDT aren't already encouraging her to do.

On the other hand I am with you when you talk about diet and health. Prescription drugs are the new cure all and it seems that everyone wants some I also believe that too many people are far too reliant on their doctor. Doctors neither have the time or energy to understand the complexities of our bodies. Instead of finding the cause, they just treat the symptoms.
I firmly believe that many complex medical conditions could and can be remedied by something as simple as the right diet but in the complicated world that we live in, most people wouldn't believe that.
We have had many bad diets come and go. People have died from particular diets that were promoted via the media and people have become cautious. Who can blame them?
I believe that self education is the only way forward.
Put your frustrations away and get on with making your own mind and body healthy.
People will notice because the 'proof is always in the pudding'
Its the people close to you that will notice. 'wow, she has lost weight, her hair shines, her skin tone looks great, she's glowing' That is how others will notice you. Your a walking advert and a million words on these forums will not convince others to go on this diet. You tell me how great this diet is but for all I know you could be 25 stone with greasy hair and zits!
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  You tell me how great this diet is but for all I know you could be 25 stone with greasy hair and zits!


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