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Goldie
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I went off O diet- for about 3-4 days and added bread ------ and NOW the pain in my ankles is unreal.. MAN O MAN - what a dumb thing to do.. (and I know better) ...

OK having said that:

Fibromyalgia is not a disease!!  it's Bread allergy!!

Arthritis is not a disease, It is a fine flower self poisoning ... allergy!!!

I mean if you had a grass allergy would you cut grass for a living.. if you had a peanut allergy would you add them to every meal?? if orange juice was giving you agida would you insist on drinking it 5 times a day??? I mean really how stupid can a society of MULTY MILLIONS  be??

how many other things like that are out there- never addressed by Doctor's early enough??? I mean 30 years earlier!!!!

weight-gain is having issue with stressful food- food, the body eats when under stress, to protect it self from worser toxins.. then why not look at diet again from a health point of view..

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD::: ARE  WE here NOT ENOUGH OF A double BLIND STUDY to convince even the most dense'est of humans??? and health boards every where??  

ARE WE not a study that some foods are good for some and poison for others.. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! Look at all our threads .. Is our own unpaid voluntary experience not enough to declare war??? !!!!

ARE we not ALL BETTER than even some group of so many nurses to be studied over 5 years?? ARE WE NOT ALL a study?? for crying out loud when will people have to stop suffering just because Doctors POO POO The BTD idea??  AND THIS STUDY is going on IN THE OPEN - free of pressure and free of censure???!!!  

what does it take.. I know what:  lets sue some org or some other know it all, and collectively raise heck?? while raising awareness??

It's the Doctors who are nay sayers, and its the DOCTORS WHO give us arthritis and fibromyalgia..

WHEN will we grow TEETH???      Teeth to bite with!!  

How to spell dense? dencer? or densest??


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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What about those who are on BTD/GTD and have seen great results only to slip off the wagon occasionally and get reminded of the consequences.  We need to be a stand for those past, present and future BTD/GTD followers.     


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I haven't had wheat in 3 years, started BTD  a year and a half ago, and  have been following SWAMI for nearly 6 months. And I still have fibromyalgia. If fibromyalgia was nothing more than a bread allergy, I would have healed years ago! Unfortunately, nothing in life is quite that simple.

I'm sorry you're in so much pain right now, and I hope you detox quickly.


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All the doctors told me while I was doubled over by pain in my gut and wasting away was it was all in my head.....gee, no doctor....my head feels just fine.  I had to rant and rave and become the crazy patient for them to do a biopsy that turned out positive yet they still said...well, we really should do it again to be sure, I'm still not convinced.

I don't know why they do that.
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I went off O diet- for about 3-4 days and added bread ------ and NOW the pain in my ankles is unreal.. MAN O MAN - what a dumb thing to do.. (and I know better) ...

I think the whole answer you are asking and ranting about is answered in this statement!  You know better and still did it, yet you are complaining about those that don't know yet...  

Sorry you are feeling bad, but have a hard time understanding why you would buy and ingest what you know is poison for your body.



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All the doctors told me while I was doubled over by pain in my gut and wasting away was it was all in my head.....gee, no doctor....my head feels just fine.  I had to rant and rave and become the crazy patient for them to do a biopsy that turned out positive yet they still said...well, we really should do it again to be sure, I'm still not convinced.

I don't know why they do that.


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ruthiegirl I am sorry you still suffer fibro.. I wonder if doing the diabetes BTD would help.. I am certain the BESTEST answer is in food.. or sugar issues related .. or some item not yet added..

but I have neuropathy that is not letting go 100% yet (but is much much better) makes me feel for you> fibro is a pain..   IS IT STILL AS BAD as it once was?? ------ 'I' think it is the pre-curser to poly-neuropathy..
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I think the whole answer you are asking and ranting about is answered in this statement!  You know better and still did it, yet you are complaining about those that don't know yet...  


YES INDEED... BUT: I no longer have to go to the doc and ask WHY!!!!!! and get a PILL that does not help..

as for stupid.. no doubt.. yet old issues are hard to fathom.. I grew up on foods nice to look at, nice to eat and available every where.. actually I never gained on once then .. up to 20.. but somehow giving it up can be done when I am alone fairly easy.. but when I have company (100 year old) she is B, loves fresh bread.. so a trip to the bakery every day.. ahh the memories.. (until the day after.. ahh the memories of pain!!!)

BUT the reason why others - wish- not to understand My needs for compliancy, is the fact
that doc's still do not support individualized food plans, in fact they talk against it!!  and there is the rub..

I don't even mind being reminded of how painful my arthritis can be, its a good reminder of how well I do.. and how much I need to be compliant, standing against all the nay Sayers..

Yes indeed.. its a fight every day.. and I win most ... but 100% compliance that is not even my style.. I allow for mistakes.. have a sis who is perfect.. have no need for that.. but then she has no need for sweets, dairy, bread, cookies, nuts, yogurt, sausages, chops, pasta, a glass of wine, soda, ice-cream and the like - all foods I can not even look at - she can eat them and be ok -- yet she would give any of them up 100% if a doc would tell her so..  

sis takes pills .. wrestles with cancers.. has surgeries.. anything a doc advises.. so if ever she will get sick .. it will be way to late.. but doc's know best.. and there is where I have issues..

kids are addicted to foods long before they come out of the cradle.. and then have to suffer all their life.. NOT knowing why..

drug addiction, alcohol abuse are just sidelines to sugar issues, beer drinking and spaghetti acts on grain issues, and the brain feels nearly as comfortable with them as it does with baby food / sugar conversions and the like..
I remember well when they took out salt and sugar out of baby  foods, what sugars are they adding today?? I am afraid to ask..

they have anti smoking and anti food campaigns why not add a campaign for "INDIVIDUALISED good for you Foods".. ACTUALLY a good book title???? Or a doctors convention where foods would be the main reason for attending?? (next to golf)    

  


  





Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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is the fact that doc's still do not support individualized food plans, in fact they talk against it!!  and there is the rub..

Doctoring is a business, if the patients are well, why would they come see a Dr.?  If there was a 50% reduction in the amount of patient visits, how many people would be out of work?  There are many people required to push all of the paper to get paid by the insurance, and half of the support staff and half of all of the testing personnel, etc...  As well as half of the drugs sold, so half of the pharmacists and drug stores, and long term care facilities...

Government can't have that, as unemployment would be much worse than it is today...  They don't see that there would be all of these people that felt good who would be productive looking to solve the many other issues that we have...



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I haven't had wheat in 3 years, started BTD  a year and a half ago, and  have been following SWAMI for nearly 6 months. And I still have fibromyalgia. If fibromyalgia was nothing more than a bread allergy, I would have healed years ago! Unfortunately, nothing in life is quite that simple.

I'm sorry you're in so much pain right now, and I hope you detox quickly.


I too have fibromyalgia and haven't had gluten grains in nearly 4 years...I have been following
my SWAMI for nearly a year and still I have fibro flares.  It's not quite as simple as a bread allergy..For you it might be a bread allergy but I think for me, it's far bigger than a food issue.

I hope you detox quickly too...This diet  has a way of waking you up when you cheat and putting
you back on the right path.  Good luck Goldie..



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Doctoring is a business, if the patients are well, why would they come see a Dr.?  If there was a 50% reduction in the amount of patient visits, how many people would be out of work?  There are many people required to push all of the paper to get paid by the insurance, and half of the support staff and half of all of the testing personnel, etc...  As well as half of the drugs sold, so half of the pharmacists and drug stores, and long term care facilities...

Government can't have that, as unemployment would be much worse than it is today...  They don't see that there would be all of these people that felt good who would be productive looking to solve the many other issues that we have...



Hey ABJoe...do you think it is as simple as that?  I often say the same thing but I wonder if it has also as much to do with the very birth of this thread...human nature.  Goldie knows better and yet went and "poisoned" herself.  Family members tell me I work too hard at this stuff and that they rather just take a pill.  If a pill did make me feel better, perhaps I would have done that but it never did.  My body only likes a pristine lifestyle and though it is work, maybe I'm lucky.  People lose sight of what it truly important and worth effort and therefore want pills and instant relief.  People often just want to be and do like everyone else..it is easier that way they feel.  Some of us know better others learn the hard way and still some never will know the difference.

Goldie...get it together darn it.  A few days of poison doesn't make you a bad lady but you know better.  Don't make me come over there and "give you what for".  (Lola made me say it.)  JK
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Hey ABJoe...do you think it is as simple as that?  I often say the same thing but I wonder if it has also as much to do with the very birth of this thread...human nature.  Goldie knows better and yet went and "poisoned" herself.  Family members tell me I work too hard at this stuff and that they rather just take a pill.  If a pill did make me feel better, perhaps I would have done that but it never did.  My body only likes a pristine lifestyle and though it is work, maybe I'm lucky.  People lose sight of what it truly important and worth effort and therefore want pills and instant relief.  People often just want to be and do like everyone else..it is easier that way they feel.  Some of us know better others learn the hard way and still some never will know the difference.


I can't disagree with anything you said...  My body is much like yours in that there isn't much demand for what does it harm...  I've also watched enough of human nature to know that many people, including me, like the easy way...  

I can't imagine that there isn't a certain amount of "protect our interest", especially when I hear of Dr.s having to write a certain number of prescriptions, lobbyists pushing more herb control, etc...


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CLOE!!!!! I am so sorry .. and I still say lets try to fix you.. as I fixed me... (when I am being compliant)..

do you even have a clue where you're fibro comes from..

anger, emotions, upsets, long term pain from someplace.. some accident, some repeated injuries?? some other thing.. I searched for many years and little by little I found issues and resolved them..

for me one was of a need for manganese.. I found it by ACCIDENT..

but a test on a ZYTO (.com) machine.. would possibly tell you what item you may need to add or take away from.. I was able to confirm my need with it.. if you are possibly interested in more info I will tell you more, or look for where I already wrote about it here a while ago..

for me it was one thing for others like you it might be another.. but please keep searching..

YOU are right about (my) saing just whet or grains or whatever I was speaking in generalities.. the pathway might be another item, (while) pills are not..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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  Goldie knows better and yet went and "poisoned" herself


The thing is, I think most of us who have been following this way of eating know better too but how many times have we all done the same thing? Poisoned ourselves again and again? Dr. D says the healthier you are, the more easily you can handle toxins...so sometimes, we might not really know how far we've come in our healing journey.

I still really react badly to toxins...I wind up having to eat super cleanly for the next 24 hours..
and usually with lots and lots of water and herbal teas, I can regain my equilibrium...but in the
moment...cheating has a way of numbing your mind, making you forget your past experience
with wrong foods....and you just go for instant gratification and find yourself crashing and
burning.

Goldie can be any of us...I think we've all walked in her shoes at one time or another!




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I still really react badly to toxins...

Goldie can be any of us...I think we've all walked in her shoes at one time or another!

I still react badly to all beneficials...  I have enough discomfort from detoxing, I have no desire to eat anything that would prolong the pain...   Maybe after I get detoxed, I'll forget what toxins felt like enough to walk in her shoes...  I hope not, though...


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CLOE!!!!! I am so sorry .. and I still say lets try to fix you.. as I fixed me... (when I am being compliant)..

do you even have a clue where you're fibro comes from..


I don't think the experts have a true clue as to "the" cause of fibro......I go for massages see an acupuncturist, an osteopath, I follow my SWAMI almost to the letter....but there are flare ups that are random...and it can be from sources that have nothing to do with my life...I can be perfectly happy, feeling healthy....I can overdo exercise one day without being aware...It can be weather stress, dehydration, a preservative in a food...something I might not know about....The
signs are usually a lot of fluid retention...a headache...a sense of toxicity...and then suddenly,
the all over body aching....trigger points that get set off and register as pain.

I appreciate your offer to help fix me, Goldie...but I'm not walking around feeling badly most of
the time. I've made a lot of progress in the past year.. My point was that I still have issues with a diagnosis called fibromyalgia...I've had Lymes disease twice....late stage Lymes for many years that was untreated.  If you read the thread where we spoke about Lymes for Ribbit, I fully explained all the alternative treatment I've had...and how symptoms, despite our best intentions
to live a clean life might linger on indefinitely...

When a diet like the Genotype diet helps to work on rebuilding so much in a person's body
I expect there can be a lot of toxicity that has to be purged...constantly...and and it takes
a lot of diligence to eat well, especially when we aren't always eating food we made ourselves.

I can go for weeks and feel okay...but some days wake up and everything hurts....If I remind
myself to eat all diamonds for a few days...drink lots and lots of water to help flush everything
out of my body that might be toxic, I can usually get to the other side and feel better.

Thanks again for your help....It's often easier to know wheat is to blame for symptoms.  For
me, wheat was a trigger too...but after all this time taking Deflect, I doubt I've got any wheat
lectins left in my body...And I never touch gluten grains anymore at all.





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Here's what's so.

There is no power in the "knowing".  Knowing never makes a difference.
Your profound power resides in the "being".  Being requires doing and that's what makes a difference.  


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The thing is, I think most of us who have been following this way of eating know better too but how many times have we all done the same thing? Poisoned ourselves again and again? Dr. D says the healthier you are, the more easily you can handle toxins...so sometimes, we might not really know how far we've come in our healing journey.

I still really react badly to toxins...I wind up having to eat super cleanly for the next 24 hours..
and usually with lots and lots of water and herbal teas, I can regain my equilibrium...but in the
moment...cheating has a way of numbing your mind, making you forget your past experience
with wrong foods....and you just go for instant gratification and find yourself crashing and
burning.

Goldie can be any of us...I think we've all walked in her shoes at one time or another!




Absolutely Chloe!  A little bit of toxin throws me off and after what seems to be a lifetime of carrying bricks on my shoulders, I want to put down the load.  Still, all the same...I am tempted and have tasted and have gone the route Goldie did...maybe not 3 days worth but all the same I knew better.  I was teasing a bit here with saying she poisoned herself.  Goldie is a very active member here that has over and over exclaimed over how wonderful this WOL is and even she can slip and lose sight of the prize.  Sadly, my point is that most people don't even know any better and ergo big pharma will very much be in business.  I have not come far in my journey and avoids remind me instantly from where I came.  Instant gratification...such an evil temptress.  I have a visual in my mind and it is making me laugh.
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I can't disagree with anything you said...  My body is much like yours in that there isn't much demand for what does it harm...  I've also watched enough of human nature to know that many people, including me, like the easy way...  

I can't imagine that there isn't a certain amount of "protect our interest", especially when I hear of Dr.s having to write a certain number of prescriptions, lobbyists pushing more herb control, etc...


Yeah, I know neither of us can get away with anything.  I love the easy way but it seems that everything in my life goes down the road less traveled...

I'm quite sure of the protect our interest part.  It is in everything.  My hubby did a short time working for Merck.  Viox was his drug.  They already knew there was a hitch and the told him to keep pushing it.  He had a very hard time dealing with it but had babies to feed, got very ill and quit.  He told me how it was all about numbers and courting the doctors.  Lots of money and a very dirty business.  My family owned drug stores growing up.  Largest chain on the east coast in the 70's.  3rd party money from pharma sales was huge.  

Starting to feel like staying home all the time and living like Tasha Tudor.  Have I lost my mind?

Again...back to Goldie's thread...next time Goldie you think of going the easy way, question would you let a little child you love do such a thing.
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I don't think that everybody in the medical system is bad or trying to make money by sickening us. Deep down, yes, the system is flawed and there's a lot of corruption at the base of it. But many individual doctors, nurses, pharmacists, ect I've met honestly and truly are out to help people. They got into the medical field because they want to help people, and are doing so- with the tools they have and with the best of intentions. I know there are "bad doctors" out there, and I've met a handful of them, but for the most part I've worked with well-meaning individuals who simply don't have the tools to heal the whole person and don't think they have to. They think they're healing people by prescribing drugs to mask symptoms, and while they understand the limitations of their medicines, they don't know of any alternatives nor seek them out.


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I don't think that everybody in the medical system is bad or trying to make money by sickening us.

Please, I hope my post didn't give you the thought that I think everybody in any profession is bad...


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I don't think that everybody in the medical system is bad or trying to make money by sickening us. Deep down, yes, the system is flawed and there's a lot of corruption at the base of it. But many individual doctors, nurses, pharmacists, ect I've met honestly and truly are out to help people. They got into the medical field because they want to help people, and are doing so- with the tools they have and with the best of intentions. I know there are "bad doctors" out there, and I've met a handful of them, but for the most part I've worked with well-meaning individuals who simply don't have the tools to heal the whole person and don't think they have to. They think they're healing people by prescribing drugs to mask symptoms, and while they understand the limitations of their medicines, they don't know of any alternatives nor seek them out.


my POINT ABOVE IN THE FIRST POST IS ABOUT educating DOC.. SO THEY CAN SEE THE BENEFIT THEY COULD SAW EARLY ON IN THEIR LIFE AND THAT OF THE CLIENT..

The idea that WE are a test tube is so clear here.. that we are a double blind study so obvious..

what would one have to do to make on article or a story or a finding on the MEDICAL journals?? what would it take.. if not the Nobel in science..?

I think WE have proven over and over that the answers are right here, understanding each of our own needs and discoveries.. some need this some need that and still other need some other thing.. what we all need is FOOD .. food for US what did one person say: n=1 yes indeed... but together we are on army of literally millions... and proven over the years.. proven beyond question.. so why are there still millions who will disagree when I say 'I' can't have wheat, dairy or the likes.. for each of us.. why are they still arguing that BALANCE is best?? I mean it is like arguing that one should not wash hands.. how many years is it since and yet here we are again .. nay sayers.. with authority.. and that is the scary part.. some listen to much to authority of knowing.. when they just don't know..

I would like to dare EACH Doctor to be pressed in reading our post here for one day.. before starting to PRACTICE on us.. what a different that would make???   instead ....     


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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you see my dear Goldie what's about the forces of *psyche-patterns* ...

btw... I think we really have to be aware that it needs a complete change  in our whole society in life managements... it's all about *no time* *hurriyng for money* and all those blo....y patterns that we got as so called belief-system... what does make us tick!  .... I really only can recommend to read the ruiz booklet about the 5th agreement..... yep my dearle we've to work onto ourselves... this isn't the part of others but ours... next: the littlw word about *awareness*.... it's too funny but it works.....


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Yes indeed but progress has to come in our children's lifetime.. not enough to just .....

I wish I had known 50 years earlier.. my life and the life of some around me would have benefitted from it..

I was lucky I could travel and try endless massages, sport or other wise, Dr's visits, chioros, accu and holistic and you name it,  I had the money and will to do it .. I learned I studied and I compared,

was it all a waste of time.. mostly.. it just kept me going from one day to the next without losing my mind.. I could work, I could function with pain pills, I did not suffer depressions.. I was enthusiastic about life.. YET.. many years were spent just existing.. not worth it for me, not worth it for those around me, not worth it for others who suffer the same even today.. there has to be hope that We or the world can MAKE a difference!! Hope is all I have ..

P/S and you are right I will read the book when I get there..!


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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if you google them, it's even enough to watch their messages as little presentations...amazing...really amazing makes clickediclick by hearing the real meaning in their spoken words, all three, father and two sons are justamente great ... and in their honest speeches... they hit the nail...weeew....but I think they have to get to know about better eating habits... I guess father might be explorer, the youngest son as well (or gatherer but the oldest son is surely a warrior....arrggghhh Isa...deformation professionelle....sorry... and remember *don't make assumptions*..... I didn't... it was a guess ...


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Quoted from Goldie


FOR CRYING OUT LOUD::: ARE  WE here NOT ENOUGH OF A double BLIND STUDY to convince even the most dense'est of humans??? and health boards every where??  

ARE WE not a study that some foods are good for some and poison for others.. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! Look at all our threads .. Is our own unpaid voluntary experience not enough to declare war??? !!!!

ARE we not ALL BETTER than even some group of so many nurses to be studied over 5 years?? ARE WE NOT ALL a study?? for crying out loud when will people have to stop suffering just because Doctors POO POO The BTD idea??  AND THIS STUDY is going on IN THE OPEN - free of pressure and free of censure???!!!  

what does it take.. I know what:  lets sue some org or some other know it all, and collectively raise heck?? while raising awareness??

It's the Doctors who are nay sayers, and its the DOCTORS WHO give us arthritis and fibromyalgia..

WHEN will we grow TEETH???      Teeth to bite with!!  

How to spell dense? dencer? or densest??


I was just browsing through the forums this morning when I came across this and I felt I had to say something.
I have been reading a lot of Doctor D's stuff lately. Some I agree with and some things I am skeptical about. Some things I have taken on board and other things will never become part of my life. In other words I am getting what I need out of this without spending a whole load of dosh and without becoming fanatical.
Its words like the above that really put me off this entire thing but then I have to nip myself because it wasn't so long ago that I made such an enlightening discovery about my own hormones, that I wanted to shout it off the rooftops.. I wanted every middle aged woman to have a full understanding of hormone imbalance and how they could radically help themselves. Its frustrating isn't it, when all these people you feel you could help, just don't seem interested. What I learnt on that journey is not to become obsessed. Obsession looks like an addiction and addiction looks like an illness. Before you know it, nobody is listening to you anymore and your just another fruit cake statistic.
I get the impression on here that some people believe that they are somehow superior to those who are not following the diet. The little outburst that I quoted is in my opinion, disturbing enough to put off the curious. If this had been the first post I had ever read on here it would also of been my last.

There are ways of passing on information by intelligent and logical discussion.
Showing frustration is counter productive to ones own health and actually does more harm than good.

My message is.... calm down or all of this will just be treated in the same regard as a numb skull commercial.


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