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Ron-A-Non
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On a lark today, I decided to experience what it's like to take the blood type test, so I opened up one of the tests I have here at home, and I put myself through it, just for fun.

I was long ago told by my mother (she told me with absolute, atomic certainty) that I was a blood type "O" positive, so I've always felt a little robbed that I never got to experience the actual BTD testing ritual for myself.

So, I sat down and did it to myself and, shock of shocks, the blood I applied to the "anti-A" circle started to spot up and clump right before my eyes as I stirred it!  The "B" pool didn't clump, the "D" pool clumped a little, and the "control" pool didn't clump at all.

I was so disturbed and horrified by this, that I ran down the hall, broke open a second test, and re-administered the test a second time, just for verification.  And, lo and behold, I was an "A-positive" yet again.

So, apparently, I now have to change my avatar status here on the boards.  Also, after consulting the Genotype Diet book, it's seriously looking like I am now a "GT4 Teacher".  I can hear the words of Francisco d'Anconia ringing in my ears as we speak:

Contradictions do not exist... Whenever you think you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises.  You will find that one of them is wrong.


I was always troubled by the fact that, physically, I never fit the G1 Hunter profile, that I was muscular and broad like a G4 Explorer, yet a bit chubby like a G2 Gatherer.  That's a three-way contradiction, for "definitely" being a blood type "O".

And that was the faulty premise that was wrong... and yet I operated on it without questioning it, because my mother told me I was an "O" with such absolute certainty.

My only remaining concern is whether or not I'm really a non-secretor, because I can't remember if they asked me, when I submitted my saliva sample two years ago, what my blood type was.  If I stated that I'm an "O", would they only have been looking for the presence of "O" antigen in my saliva?  Or would they have been looking for the presence of ANY BT antigen in my saliva?

If they were only looking for "O", then I guess I'm going to have to re-take the secretor status saliva test, aren't I...

Also, how do I find out if I'm of the "A-1" variety, or the "A-2" variety?

Also, also, I guess if I'm really an A nonnie, that means that I absorb almost NO CALCIUM and that my blood is as thick and clotty as a glacial flow.

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Oh wow.

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My only remaining concern is whether or not I'm really a non-secretor, because I can't remember if they asked me, when I submitted my saliva sample two years ago, what my blood type was.  If I stated that I'm an "O", would they only have been looking for the presence of "O" antigen in my saliva?  Or would they have been looking for the presence of ANY BT antigen in my saliva?



Given the circumstances it might be a good idea to get the secretor/ non secretor test redone just to be sure. I got my type (O-) done re blood donation and have a sister the same type so I can be sure of that fact. Doing the test again, as an A, would resolve any concerns you have. Good luck.





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Well, I wanna get an indication from the folks at NAP for sure before I redo the test... but I do take your point... Anything is possible now, it seems.
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Well, I wanna get an indication from the folks at NAP for sure before I redo the test... but I do take your point... Anything is possible now, it seems.


In your position I would stick with basics. Maybe a test for type (A) and secretor/ non secretor status. I distrust personal tests a little as they are open to personal interpretation. An objective lab will be able to provide definitive results that you can take as a baseline. Uncertainty does not work for you.





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Oh crikey!  You must be just reeling...to actually find out that you are the almost opposite of what you thought you were ...would be almost unbelievable!

But just think of how much better you can make yourself feel by having your correct diet finally applied.  There is only one way you can go now and that is the improvement direction!  

I'm happy for you  
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Well,..what do you know about that? An "A" all along..
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Wow, that is big news!  

Similar thing happened to me, but I did not have to wait as long to find out my real type.  My Dad was O+ on his records, and on my baby card from the hospital it clearly stated that my Mom was O+ also.  So when ER first came out in the mid 90s I was on the O diet for the better part of a year.  Wasn't until having dinner at my brother's and a discussion about blood type...and him telling me he was an A+, which he knew from being a regular blood donor, that I decided to have mine checked at the hospital.  Sure enough, A+.  

of course I first called my folks on the phone right there at the dinner table to find out who our real parents were!   The notes on my baby card were in error, and of course knowing now what we know about the A personality...yeah, might as well have just had a pic of my mom in the book *lol*.  

I am so glad that you found this out, Ron.  Your instincts were talking to you when you decided to play with the typing kit, and you listened.  It's a whole new world!  And if you end up being a teacher too, we'll get you started in the genotype section!  (although I thought you said somewhere else that you are thinking explorer, so you might not be sure yet)

Welcome to A-dom!


Embracing my A-ness! (Ok, that is waaaay better in print than it is out loud! )

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If you can GIVE Blood to a blood bank or red cross they well tell you what BT you are for SURE.
When my ND gave me the in office test like you have she was wrong in telling me I was an O when in reality I an an AB+
many of my health problems reversed themselves once I was on the correct diet   

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Those type test kits from the NAP are extremely accurate. I tested an A+ and when I went to my primary md, I can get free blood work through my job health insurance and I asked them to type me again..Sure enough, I was an A+...Went to Dr. D's clinic....A+..

I wonder if you need to re test the secretor status because of the type change??
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Ron,

That may explain the variety of problems you've had with the O diet and O supps. So sorry that it took so long to find out. The most important thing is that now you have a good place to start from!

Looking forward to your improving health and glad that you have the fortitude to work through it! Agree in suspecting that you will have to redo the secretor test. The A1/A2 is a lab test you can arrange for.

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Holy cow Ron...(no more for you.  It is now all for your ice bear )  What a shock that must have been.  I am with Rodney and shoulderblade though, on getting your blood typed with the proper testing experts.   The blood banks are free and you may be able to get other subtypes done through the ones in the U.S.  Here in Canada they don't.  At least, that is what I was told at the blood donation bank.

As Gumby says...your instincts were trying to tell you something.  Could be why you have been having some reservations about BTD/GTD in the past.

No matter...
WEEEEE STIIIIIILLLLLL LOOOOOOOOVVVVVVEEE YYYYOOOOOOUUUUUUU. (and yes, I was shouting that. )

((((((Biiiiiigggg Huuuuuuggggssss))))))

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Wow..that's quite a surprise!
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Wow!  However... call me cynical but I personally think that perhaps 10-20% of people think they are a blood type which they are not... My blood has been typed 4 times as I recall and always comes up the same so I think I am safe in my B assumption.  

And yes, do the secretor test again. If they tested for the presence of all blood type antigens in the saliva sample, I doubt they would ask what your blood type was to begin with when submitting the sample... just my 2 logical cents...


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ooo yesss go for a *cross-blood-test* done just before Op's so this is the mostly surest you can do.
But you are also that sweet as an A-icebear  


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Ice Bear Ron:  it will be interesting to hear how changing your diet affects you.  Keep us all posted.

I give blood, so Im certain Im B-.   When my son was born, I asked and was told he was B+.  I just assumed they gave me the correct information.   I should tell him to go give blood.


I am B- NON-Sec Explorer; my son is B+ SEC Nomad; my Mother was O+; and my Father was AB-
SWAMI Thanksgiving present 2008
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I give blood also and I am an A. Now can the blood bank tell me if I am an A1 or A2? Twister, you work there, do you know? Will it matter on the diet in the long run?...Aani


Listen, this is what I think: I think we can't go around measuring our goodness by what we don't do, by what we deny ourselves, what we resist, and who we exclude. I think we've got to measure goodness by what we embrace, what we create, and who we include. Pere Henri (Chocolat)
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I give blood also and I am an A. Now can the blood bank tell me if I am an A1 or A2? Twister, you work there, do you know? Will it matter on the diet in the long run?...Aani


Makes no difference if you are following the GenoType diet. If you are are following the Blood Type diet the changes are very slight. See Live Right for Your Type for these adjustments.


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This is absolutely amazing!!!!!
I bet you will notice changes right away!!!
I've had mine tested 3 different times & all were O+.
Actually, it was tested twice & I gave blood once & they didn't let me know otherwise about type.
The first time was in HS class. I remember being disappointed to be an O. Then before I got pregnant, I wanted to know if I
had German measles before. So the dr. had a pregnancy blood test taken which also did the type, which came out O again.(Only $20 for 7 things-times have changed!)

[I am still frustrated by the medical establishment not asking if you want a partner's test. My husband is AB & my kids were jaundiced, not usually a horrible thing, but a traumatic experience as I never heard of it & the kid was put in what looked like an incubator. Even then, I saw what a sensitive child he was & didn't want all that trauma. Then it messed up the start of nursing. OK, we know there are cases where the mom has 'cheated' on her husband & may not want a blood test for him, but that could be circumvented by asking the woman only if she wants her partner tested. I would have loved to have known my husband had royal blood. #1 son had B, which was a surprise(almost royalty)anyway. Knowing up front about his type AND what newborn jaundice is, would have helped me after a long-average labor. Anyway, we hope he will get his PhD next year!! Yeah, Dr."T"--great name for a rapper! ]

Icebear, I am excited to see what will happen in your life next as far as health is concerned! It has to get better!!!
S S & L,
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What blood types did you say your parents are?

Debra


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Congratulations dear Ice Bear Ron!     Now you can really get down to business, and you should be a lot happier with the results of your food selections.  



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wow, this really sheds light on your issues when you said you were about to give up!!! No wonder!THis changes everything!
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Thanks, everybody... It has totally changed my outlook on everything now.  I'm still reeling from it, to be frank.

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What blood types did you say your parents are?

Debra


As far as my parents go, my mother is (now, supposedly) an "O", and my father is (now, supposedly) an "A".  

But I know for sure that my sister is an "O" positive because I tested her myself.  And if my father is an "A", then he must be a heterozygous "A":  an "AO".

I wonder sometimes if AO's differ from AA's, in terms of their physiology and temperament.  

The only thing that remains for me to know now, is whether or not I can still be a non-secretor... since, when Great Smokey Labs sent back my results, they already had "Type O" on them.  So, clearly, I must've indicated beforehand what my blood type was.  And, if they were only testing for the presence of "O" antigen in my saliva, then there might've actually been "A" antigen there, and I'm a regular secretor.

(I personally doubt that, though, because I've always had all these problems with allergies and oversensitivity.)

The only thing I will say, is that I will probably miss eating red meat.  I really do think it's what stopped my diarrhea.  

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That may explain the variety of problems you've had with the O diet and O supps. So sorry that it took so long to find out. The most important thing is that now you have a good place to start from!


Well, it could've been worse... I could've thought I'm an "A" when I was really an "O", and have been taking "A" supplements such as chondroitin, which contains the "A" antigen!

I have a feeling that, when I take Deflect A with chondroitin, I'm going to have a whole other experience!
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I'm with those who posted above. Get your blood tested by professionals so that you know for sure.

I really almost died on an all-avoid diet without knowing it.

There is no question about my blood type and I find most people don't know theirs.  
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Ron,

Much success with your new diet...  I'm usfre it will be quite an adjustment, but your health should get better because of the change.


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I'm positive I'm a B.  Virginia Blood Services and Red Cross both tested me as such.

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I wonder sometimes if AO's differ from AA's, in terms of their physiology and temperament.

Me too.

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The only thing that remains for me to know now, is whether or not I can still be a non-secretor... since, when Great Smokey Labs sent back my results, they already had "Type O" on them.  So, clearly, I must've indicated beforehand what my blood type was.  And, if they were only testing for the presence of "O" antigen in my saliva, then there might've actually been "A" antigen there, and I'm a regular secretor.

It hasn't been long since I did the secretor test, and I can confirm that they do ask for your blood type.  Probably saves them a lot of trouble: if you indicate type A, they only have to look for A antigens, instead of looking for A, B, and H antigens in every sample.
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I give blood also and I am an A. Now can the blood bank tell me if I am an A1 or A2? Twister, you work there, do you know? Will it matter on the diet in the long run?...Aani


Aani, if you decide to do the SWAMI down the line, A1/A2 could potentially make some small differences even though you do GTD now.
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I give blood also and I am an A. Now can the blood bank tell me if I am an A1 or A2? Twister, you work there, do you know? Will it matter on the diet in the long run?...Aani


I've given blood and they never told me my type..
I used to work in a hospital and they told me my type was B+. It was even on my ID badge..Ya really gotta wonder about some of these hospitals..
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I used to work in a hospital and they told me my type was B+. It was even on my ID badge..Ya really gotta wonder about some of these hospitals..


That's incredibly horrifying.  

How many deaths have secretly resulted from this kind of mistyping?
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Much success with your new diet...  I'm sure it will be quite an adjustment, but your health should get better because of the change.


Thanks, Joe.  I think so, too.  

I went out just last night and bought some glucosamine and chondroitin, as well as some oregon grape to kill off bacterial overgrowth in my bowels, and already I'm feeling very good.

I just put in an order for Deflect A, so that should be arriving within the next week, too.  And once I can finalize what my genotype is, I'll probably be sending off for the genotype supplements, too.
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It hasn't been long since I did the secretor test, and I can confirm that they do ask for your blood type.  Probably saves them a lot of trouble: if you indicate type A, they only have to look for A antigens, instead of looking for A, B, and H antigens in every sample.


Drive,

I've already emailed Great Smokey Labs and asked them.  Let's see what they say.
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Ron...when I first did my secretor test through Francine she said that it was imperative that I give my blood type as the results could turn out wrong.

So glad that you are feeling better already.

Debra

P.S.  If you are an A-nonnie...remember sugar is still your poison.


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Ron...when I first did my secretor test through Francine she said that it was imperative that I give my blood type as the results could turn out wrong.


You see?  I had a feeling this might be the case... Thank you for letting me know.

Also, who is "Francine"?

(By the way, I had both my parents secretor tested, and they both came back as secretors... However, I'm not sure if they both took the BT test.

...Actually, now that I think about it, since they both came back as secretors, that means that their BT antigens were detectable, so I think that means they correctly knew their blood types anyways.)
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Francine is the person who used to distribute NAP through a Quebec, Canada site.  From my understanding she doesn't do it anymore.  

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you mean francoise oulette?


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you mean francoise oulette?


Oops...yes.

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Finding out you have a diffent blood type than what one thought, sure takes a person for a loop.

  When I was in highschool I got my blood tested in Biology class, unfortunalty another student told me that I was blood type A.  I didn't really start eating for type A untill 7 years ago, experimenting with lots of grains and vegetables and almost no meat.  

Within the span of 5 months I hade gone from the very best health in my entire life to barely being able to function for two hours out of the day.  In depsperation I did a colon cleanse which was my life saver at the time, I have never again experienced such a night and day change from a cleanse.  I stoped experimenting at this time, two years later I found out that I am O, both from a medical lab and from when I had a live blood analysis done. and the rest is history
  Well almost
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Ron, that's fantastic news!  As I read your first post all I could think about was several months ago when you were so discouraged you quit the forums for a while.  No wonder!  Will you do something for us?  Will you take a "before" picture and an "after" picture?  Like will you post a "Ron on the O diet" picture, and 3 months from now post a "Ron on the A diet" picture?  I bet you're going to experience some real nice changes over the next few months.  You may not look like an ice bear anymore after you follow the right diet!  


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Ron...I second the motion on the pictures.

medavida...where did you have your blood analysis done?

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Will you take a "before" picture and an "after" picture?  Like will you post a "Ron on the O diet" picture, and 3 months from now post a "Ron on the A diet" picture?  I bet you're going to experience some real nice changes over the next few months.  You may not look like an ice bear anymore after you follow the right diet!


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Ron...I second the motion on the pictures.


I third that motion!
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Can't you just feel the looooovvvvve.

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Ron, that's fantastic news!  As I read your first post all I could think about was several months ago when you were so discouraged you quit the forums for a while.  No wonder!  Will you do something for us?  Will you take a "before" picture and an "after" picture?  Like will you post a "Ron on the O diet" picture, and 3 months from now post a "Ron on the A diet" picture?  I bet you're going to experience some real nice changes over the next few months.  You may not look like an ice bear anymore after you follow the right diet!  


Okay, I'll do that.  

But, for the record, I never was morbidly obese or anything... probably because, growing up, my father essentially kept me on the same exact diet he felt best on, which was largely the "A" diet, in hindsight.

The only thing he did eat was a lot of wheat and dairy on pizzas and what, but he hated red meat with a passion, and wasn't much for dairy at all.

Tomatoes and wheat, however, were staples in our house, as he is very Spanish-Italian, albeit a mostly vegetarian type.
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Ribbit,
I was thinking the same thing about Ron a few months back and his leaving the boards for a while out of frustration.  I hope he finally gets some results!  Congrats on finding out the truth!
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  I got my liveblood analysis done in Surrey BC Canada, A husband and wife team, This is their web site  http://www.qwest4health.ca/.  I also did a biofeedback with them.  
They also follow the BTD however I don't know if they have caught onto the GTD yet.

  When I had the live blood done it was the first time anyone could even begin to tell me what was wrong with me, I previousely had several test done by the high tech medical labs we have here, and all my tests came out fine, of couse I knew that I wasn's fine.  And now that I understand how the different blood types function a few more peices of the puzzle are fitting into place .

I know I have a few more pieces to go and a little more self dicipline and I should fully recover.

Sorry IceBear Ron didn't mean to hijac you tread.
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Good Lord, Ron, OMG an' all that. Holy cow. Makes me want to test myself with the extra kit I have.
I agree with the before and after shots. Or at least do a list for yourself of current complaints, large and small, and some weeks later go down the list and record the changes. And I bet there'll be changes you weren't looking for as well. That's what's happened to me and other people I know. Happy surprises.
Gotta go, best of luck, AND glad you came back and ended up testing yourself. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, yeah, and I recall the secretor test saying that you had to put down your blood type or they couldn't do it correctly. So you'll have to do another one, most likely, but that all-important secretor status knowledge is going to help you a ton!!
Let us know!


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I'm shocked Ron, but relieved at the same time. You'll be in a new part of the same jungle, so go explore and come back with new findings! Dont leave anything to chance and assumption.

Waiting eagerly to hear more from you  !


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Yes, I am eager to find out if I have to take the secretor test again...

As is usually the case with me, I will probably serve as some exemplar of worst-case scenario in future cautions to new arrivals to BTD.

Always, always, always, verify your blood type results with an actual test BEFORE you start the diet and/or take your secretor test.  Don't trust A-N-Y-O-N-E to know what your blood type is... not even your own cherished, absolutely certain, mother!
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Always, always, always, verify your blood type results with an actual test BEFORE you start the diet and/or take your secretor test.  Don't trust A-N-Y-O-N-E to know what your blood type is... not even your own cherished, absolutely certain, mother!


wow!! Ron.......yeah what a shocker. I'll tell ya, this thread makes me want to check mine. Tho I think that w/ all the surgeries I've had, mine is prob right. In the end, as you say, to be sure, is the key.
No doubt, you will start feeling so much better now that you're eating for the right b/t. I'm so happy for you. Funny how doing things on a whim pay off at times.
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italy,

Since your secretor test results came back positive, then I'm willing to bet that's because it only detected the presence of type O antigen in your saliva.

I don't think it would've given you a positive result if you were any other blood type but A.

And, yes, in just the day or two that I started changing things and taking the chondroitin and other supplements for A and the Teacher type, I'm already feeling noticeably better.
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Look at that...even your bear looks happier.

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italy,Since your secretor test results came back positive, then I'm willing to bet that's because it only detected the presence of type O antigen in your saliva.
I don't think it would've given you a positive result if you were any other blood type but A.
And, yes, in just the day or two that I started changing things and taking the chondroitin and other supplements for A and the Teacher type, I'm already feeling noticeably better.


I'll take your word for what you said about my secretor status       still all over my head sorry.
So glad to hear you are feeling better. Must be quite a relief for you!  



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italy,

I know you say you'll take my word for it, but let me try to explain it a bit clearer:

To be a secretor means that, whatever your blood type is, it exists in the form of like little hairs growing off your cells... just like, say, dog hair grows on dogs.

Well, most breeds of dog shed their hair, right?  But a small number of breeds don't, right?

Well, in the same way, most people's cells shed their antigen off into the surrounding body fluids, but a small percentage don't.  

And, so, whatever blood type hairs are growing off your cells, if you shed them off into your fluids -- such as your saliva -- then that means your body grows that antigen in the first place, right?

So if it's detectable in your saliva, that means you grow it from your cells in the first place, so that means that, whatever that detectable blood type antigen is, it's being produced in you, period.

If you couldn't detect it in your body fluids, such as your saliva, then you could still wonder whether it's possibly there but you just don't shed it.  BUT, since you shed it into your saliva (and we know that because your lab results confirmed that it was present in your saliva sample that you sent off in the past), then you definitely make it in the first place, and so it's your blood type antigen.

Capisce?  
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Wow, Ron.  BIG doings in Icebear Central!  I'm glad you went on your "lark" and took the test, and then confirmed it by running the test again.  That is a huge shock, no doubt, yet knowledge is power.  It will probably be amazing, results-wise, when you shift your diet to the right one for your real type.  And I wouldn't worry too much about the fact that you've been on the wrong diet for a while, because all the D'Adamo diets are pure, nutrient-dense, whole foods diets, full of life and free of chemicals, etc.  While of course a customized diet for your type is ideal and profoundly health bestowing, you were still worlds ahead of those on the SAD (Standard American Diet).  I just spent a long weekend immersed in what we students of cultural anthropology would call a "field study", embedded with my family, who are either on the SAD or are on some extreme version of it, because I simply can't believe that the way they eat is even standard, but anyway, you were worlds and worlds above where many people are, dietwise in America.  You were eating, like I said, PURE, whole, chi-infused, healthy foods.  And now that you know your type, things are going to get even SO much better, for you, Ron.  I'm really happy for you!
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...the "D" pool clumped a little

This probably means that you have a "Weak D", meaning that you are Rh positive, but only slightly so.  Interesting.

...Okay, off you go to get some fish oil, duuude.  Congrats again on learning your true type and keep us posting on all the positive changes and transformations that start happening, health-wise, because you know they are a'comin'!



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Teacher usurps secretor/non-secretor, but it'd still be interesting to see if you are indeed a secretor? Woah!

Thanks for sharing!  I feel we used to question new people's supposed blood types a lot....and I think that's a good position to maintain.

p.s.  Ron, and all, remember how hard it was to get 3 ml of saliva into that 5 ml tube?  Well, if you said you didn't know your blood type, they'd need 15 ml of saliva instead!  They save your trouble, by requiring your blood type.  They only check for the type you list, so if your blood type is listed wrong, then your secretor type is still unknown.  

p.s.  For Type AB saliva test, do they just pick one or do they look fro both in the sample?  That'd be interesting to know!  If you are an AB, can you secrete one without secreting the other one?  I heard a theory that levels of A and levels of B changes in the blood....sometimes more B and sometimes more A.  



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Everyone who is a secretor secretes H (O) antigens. I don't know what the sensitivity is of the method being used by GSL, but the anti H lectin is used to detect H antigens. A2 will secrete more H antigens than any of the other ABO types except O.


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When I was a kid, my blood was tested several times because both my parents were positive and I was O neg.  My ex is an AB+ and both my kids were jaundiced as babies and had to be tested.  Not only did we have the +/- incompatibility, be also had ABO incompatibility which my Dr. actually said sometimes offsets one another.  In any case, they both had to stay in the hospital for an extra day or so under the billie lights.  When I brought the younger one home, I remember being told to put him in front of a sunny window!

Ron, it's a good thing that you found out.  Hopefully it will the the thing that makes everything click and you'll feel a lot better!
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Ron, thanks for taking the time to explain what I didn't understand. And may I just say.........what a great explanation!!!   



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p.s.  For Type AB saliva test, do they just pick one or do they look fro both in the sample?  That'd be interesting to know!  If you are an AB, can you secrete one without secreting the other one?  I heard a theory that levels of A and levels of B changes in the blood....sometimes more B and sometimes more A.


I would think both anti A and anti B are used for the neutralization technique. In an AABB method, anti A, anti B, and the anti H lectin Ulex europeus(sp) are used. Saliva is incubated with the antiserums and then type, A, B and O cells are used to detect agglutination. A lack of agglutination means the antibody has been neutralized by the presence of ABH antigens in the saliva.

So an O secretor would have these results, inhibition with anti H, but no inhibition with anti A and anti B. An A secretor would show inhibition with anti A and anti H but not anti B. Type B secretors will show inhibition with anti B and anti H but not anti A. An AB secretor will show inhibition with all three. Agglutination will occur in all three antiserums if one is a non-secretor,therefore ABO group cannot be determined. Saliva testing for ABH secretor status is another way to determine ABO group, but it is only valid if one is a secretor.


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Always great to do "best two out of three" tests right?  

Ron you'd make an awesome testimonial for Dr. D if he did a infomercial!  
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Ron you'd make an awesome testimonial for Dr. D if he did a infomercial!  


as would Rodney.
My sister in law was doing BTD for a while, then stopped. Turns out she thought she was AB and she's A. I encouraged her to do the secretor test since there are so many changes between status.



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Rodney? I must know Rodney's story..is there a thread?   Do tell....
We'll add your sis in law to Dr. D's guest list..
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Rodney? I must know Rodney's story..is there a thread?   Do tell....


Rodney thought he was an O, turned out he's an AB. (tho I thought all this time, he thought he was an A before)  ........this O info is in post #7 of this thread. As w/ Ron, it made a huge dif for him, as you can imagine.



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Rodney thought he was an O, turned out he's an AB. (tho I thought all this time, he thought he was an A before)  ........this O info is in post #7 of this thread. As w/ Ron, it made a huge dif for him, as you can imagine.


Wow! that is awesome! Rodney and Ron Dr. D's two main testimonials!!

We're all testimonials right?!!!  
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We're all testimonials right?!!!  


true!!  

Here's Rodney's testimonial...........he thought he was a B before and eating as such........ me thinks he needs some gingko     Me too, I forgot to post the link

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-storybd/m-1172334449/



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While of course a customized diet for your type is ideal and profoundly health bestowing, you were still worlds ahead of those on the SAD (Standard American Diet).  I just spent a long weekend immersed in what we students of cultural anthropology would call a "field study", embedded with my family, who are either on the SAD or are on some extreme version of it, because I simply can't believe that the way they eat is even standard, but anyway, you were worlds and worlds above where many people are, dietwise in America.

Thanks, PT.  I love that acronym, "SAD".   How apt.  Hahahahaha

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Ron you'd make an awesome testimonial for Dr. D if he did a infomercial!  

Yeah; probably.  Completely unwittingly, I made myself a case study.

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Ron, thanks for taking the time to explain what I didn't understand. And may I just say.........what a great explanation!!!  

You're welcome, and I'm glad it helped.  But you have to realize that it's in my blood:  I'm a Teacher.

  
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Thanks, everybody... It has totally changed my outlook on everything now.  I'm still reeling from it, to be frank.


The only thing that remains for me to know now, is whether or not I can still be a non-secretor... since, when Great Smokey Labs sent back my results, they already had "Type O" on them.  So, clearly, I must've indicated beforehand what my blood type was.  And, if they were only testing for the presence of "O" antigen in my saliva, then there might've actually been "A" antigen there, and I'm a regular secretor.

(I personally doubt that, though, because I've always had all these problems with allergies and oversensitivity.)

The only thing I will say, is that I will probably miss eating red meat.  I really do think it's what stopped my diarrhea.  


Funny you say that, about having allergies and oversensitivity.  I have both and am a secretor.  BTW: I love being a Teacher, and if you need anything, please feel free to PM me.  Yea!  Ron's one of us!


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As is usually the case with me, I will probably serve as some exemplar of worst-case scenario in future cautions to new arrivals to BTD.


Who's signature said, "If you can't be a good example, you must be a horrible warning"? (or something to that effect)
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true!!  
Here's Rodney's testimonial...........he thought he was a B before and eating as such........ me thinks he needs some gingko     Me too, I forgot to post the link
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-storybd/m-1172334449/


OMG! That was a great testimonial..Poor Rodney! I can't tolerate cayenne either..I would have been dying from it too!
Thanks IB!

Ron, wouldn't it be interesting if you turn out to be a Warrior? The saga continues...  



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WOW~

Is the moral to this story  "never trust your mother?"    

Welcome to type A world and I hope you're soon feeling your best-est~


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Well, actually, I just talked to my mother today... She says that it was one of my doctors who told me that I was an "O", after I had a blood test as a teenager.

I don't blame her... She's just relaying information which she may or may not have heard correctly.
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well dearest Ron, what is the learning effect out of this,....never believe peoples speeches when it comes to the form of * I believe...or I think....* but get to know by testing..... and even here it may come out wrong as Rodney's testimonial is the best proof  
endeffect: after a certain time of no success on a diet...go for changements and listen to your bellyfeelings....body tells his own stories....in its own but handsome manner


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Isa,

You're right...
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I think the self test from NAP is the most accurate type-test.

I thought I was a B until I did it. I was kind of surprised myself. Good thing I didn't know about the blood type diet then..Being a hippy, I was following vegetarian...anyway..
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to the icebear  


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Hmmmm...so it was a doctor who originally told your mom that you were Type O, huh?  And then not one but two NAP tests said A?  WEIRD.  You know what I'd do, just to be SURE at this point?  I would go to a blood bank and donate blood.  Trust me, they don't want to get your type wrong, because it is their patootie on the line if they send the wrong type of blood for a patient.  They are extremely accurate with their testing.

I would just do that to be sure at this point.  BYOJ, btw, as in, bring your own juice of a compliant variety.  Otherwise, they may try to pressure you into drinking OJ and/or eating a WHEAT cookie.


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I would just do that to be sure at this point.  BYOJ, btw, as in, bring your own juice of a compliant variety.  Otherwise, they may try to pressure you into drinking OJ and/or eating a WHEAT cookie.


Sounds like sneaking behind enemy lines for a lab test. Good idea to get the Blood Bank or some professional laboratory to confirm the type though. You need good basic knowledge to get anywhere.






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lab-tests are wildely faaaar away from pr-clinical studies like Vega and other testings..... yesss dearles I'm not that thumb that I appear  


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only et some probs coz my old pc.won't accept to be treatened only by a lefthanded leo ....ough...sigh....and forgets sometimes some sylables....I apologize in advance....(Peppy need your figure to help me out here...cotau...cotau ...(felt on my knees)
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stefina,

Apparently I'm an "A" Teacher... and I'd been on an O-nonnie diet for just over two whole years.

That meant lots of red meat.  I've been dealing with aches and pains in my sternum, neck, and entire left arm for just over a year now, although the diet did stop the irritable bowel I'd had for 21 years, which was a huge benefit.

For the last three days I've been following the Teacher diet and taking the suggested supplements, and I'm already feeling a huge difference, and my abdomen has already started to go down noticeably.

Since I found out today that it's entirely possible that, since I sent off my secretor test two years ago as an "O", and that's the antigen they test for, that I might actually be an "A" secretor after all... So I'm taking the "non" off my avatar until I know for sure.

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For the last three days I've been following the Teacher diet and taking the suggested supplements, and I'm already feeling a huge difference, and my abdomen has already started to go down noticeably..


Ron, so glad to hear you are already feeling better. I can only imagine how awful you must have been feeling on the O diet.   I know how awful I feel if I eat avoids let's say for a week.    Anymore I can't even imagine 2 years of that!! So bless your heart for finding out the solution and not giving up.   HUGS



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For the last three days I've been following the Teacher diet and taking the suggested supplements, and I'm already feeling a huge difference...

  As my six-year-old nephew would say:  "Awesome!"



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The most important thing is that it's been four days now and, without red meat, but on the Teacher diet, I've had no IBS symptoms and my morning breath was virtually nil when I woke up this morning.

To me, that's huge.  I could never figure out why my bowels were always such a problem.  When I thought I was a Hunter, I figured it was an inflammatory problem to do with my "being" an O non-secretor, because I couldn't tolerate wheat or most carbs, as I thought they would cause yeast overgrowth and intestinal lining inflammation.

...So I was totally thinking in terms of a hyper-sensitive, hyper-intolerant inflammation issue, rather than the complete opposite:  a bacterial over-permissiveness issue!  I thought my system was too intolerant, not too tolerant!

I never thought there would be a cancer risk in me and, truth be told, I don't have any whorls on my fingerprints, so I suppose that helps a bit.  But it's nice to know after 38 years of unending discomfort and seemingly inexplicable health problems, that a reason existed for all of it.
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Dollars to donuts..that you are a Warrior...Ok, lets see if my prediction comes true..

I had pretty bad IBS when I was eating red meat in my twenties. The only thing that stopped it was wheat bran..a Warrior beneficial! How cool is that?!!
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Dear Ron, I'm so glad that being a Teacher is working out for you and your body! I think that it is such a huge testament to the BTD/GTD that in 4 DAYS you are already feeling the benefits!

Now that you've spent so much time on the "wrong" foods, perhaps it will be easier for you to avoid them in the long run.  

Yea! for finding the 'right' path.


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Dollars to donuts..that you are a Warrior...Ok, lets see if my prediction comes true..


Actually, as my torso is longer than my legs, the top halves of my legs are longer than the bottoms, and my ring fingers are longer on both hands, the exhaustive chart in the back of the book says that it doesn't matter if I'm a secretor or non-secretor, because it's "Teacher" for both.

So I'm a Teacher, no matter what...
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Yes, but do you have a big, long head? I measured the top halves of my legs longer too.. Are you tall? I thought I was a Teacher going by my measurments also..Dr. C thought she was a Teacher..remember? Dr. D said no way, I was a Warrior.

The diets are pretty similar but Teachers get to live in cheese land ...
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.....Teachers get to live in cheese land ...


Hunter........jealous!!!         oh I miss cheese.  



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I'm so glad to have back so many cheeses on the Nomad diet!

Ron, this is marvelous news!  I look forward to more updates on your experience.
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Go ahead drive, rub it in..lol... I can have a few cheeses...I think paneer and farmer..that's it..I can however have a few black dot cheeses..that I've been eating..some..ok, a little more than some..
I want to move to cheese land...
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Italy.....do you want to get a bit from my Manchego....


yes please and thank you thweeeety for sharing.  



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Well Mayflowers, my sinuses do get a bit stuffy after these new cheeses, if that makes you feel better.   But hey, you can eat WHEAT again!
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After a few years, you may not miss dairy. I am so unused to eating it, I don't want to bother, except for butter which I didn't consider dairy for so many years.
I also don't want to deal with the congestion & the other "C" problem which dairy does so well!!

I'm in Illinois & if I have to travel thru Wisconsin, I have to go incognito! Those "Cheeseheads" wouldn't like me!
Neither would the beer & brats crowd for that matter!
Hey, I'm an O. I can eat the dairy cattle later on!

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Sweeeet wheeeeat!  The funny thing is, now that I can eat it again all my cravings are gone.  It's not psychological.  It's physiological.  I like it, but I don't feel  a terrible craving for it anymore.  GTD fixed me.


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From Ron:
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That meant lots of red meat.  I've been dealing with aches and pains in my sternum, neck, and entire left arm for just over a year now, although the diet did stop the irritable bowel I'd had for 21 years, which was a huge benefit.

For the last three days I've been following the Teacher diet and taking the suggested supplements, and I'm already feeling a huge difference, and my abdomen has already started to go down noticeably.


This is such wonderful news, Ron! I'm so glad things are working out for you!
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Ron, are you doing the secretor test again?


BTD compliance means: Definition of "Compliance"

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This thread reminds me of what my friends always ask me..

"what if it turns out you're a different blood type than you think, and it's all been in your head?"



I don't even doubt my O'ness.    One lick of wheat, or a few days without meat & I'm swine feed.


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Accidental,

I think I might... it would set my mind at ease if I'm a secretor.  

But it would never explain my bizarre sensitivities that are so unlike my father, who is also an A-Teacher.
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Accidental,

I think I might... it would set my mind at ease if I'm a secretor.  

But it would never explain my bizarre sensitivities that are so unlike my father, who is also an A-Teacher.


Ron, I feel (again just my take) that knowing your secretor status along with your GT is essential. I feel that within the 6 general GT groups there still will be sub groups based on secretor status and whatever else which might be researched & discovered in years to come. And being an A, you also have the A1 and A2-ness as well. I'm observing some interesting character/diet preferences between an A Explorer, a B Explorer, and an O Explorer. Same with an AB Nomad and a B Nomand.

Some of us have been plain fortunate to have just one beam of ray light up our lives. Some of us, I guess, will need more than one ray.

Whatever you discover, please do share with us!



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I have a zillion sensitivities. Dr. D, said I was just a Warrior with sensitivities (I asked him on the phone if I could possibly be an Explorer)

Ribbit, do you experience fluid retention the next day after eating wheat? My rings get tight and I feel puffy. You've been following it longer than me. I was futzing around with Teacher, Warrior and Explorer diets..before I went to see Dr. D in March.  

I love wheat items .(sigh).I missed it too, but I'm not sure if I can go back to eating it...   I keep forgetting to check my white lines..(SM)

Ooo! I did notice that I used to have the "brain fog" after eating wheat for a couple of days when I stopped it, but now since on the GTD, my fogginess clears up within a 1/2 a day! So I'm making progress!!

Spring, you use the oil with a mirror or just glass?
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Spring, you use the oil with a mirror or just glass?


I used a mirror because it was the handiest. I guess I could have used a window....! Another option is to make a picture with your camera up close. (Had someone mentioned doing this before? Can't remember.) I have a set of prints on my computer that I was looking at last night and comparing to my fingers now. Still amazing! Another funny thing - all of mine are improving really fast except the ring fingers on both hands, but the top sides of the ring fingers are improving faster than the others! Maybe if I live long enough, both my whole hands will recover! I wasn't expecting anything except better fingerprints!  
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and that s a sign of gut integrity!!
great job!


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Thanks Ms. Spring.   Oh, do you eat wheat?
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Thanks, Lola, I'm very happy with my progress!

Mayflowers, I am still not eating wheat. I think I probably could without any problem, but I am enjoying the many other grains so much, I haven't tried it yet. I did eat a slice of tomato a couple of weeks ago without any bad symptoms at all which is a MAJOR improvement!! Before, one bite and it was like a torch stuck to my stomach! -----Besides the aftereffects.   However, I won't be overdoing it with tomatoes. It is just so nice to be able to enjoy them occasionally.
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Ribbit, do you experience fluid retention the next day after eating wheat? My rings get tight and I feel puffy.

.....
Ooo! I did notice that I used to have the "brain fog" after eating wheat for a couple of days when I stopped it, but now since on the GTD, my fogginess clears up within a 1/2 a day! So I'm making progress!!


No!  No negative symptoms! It's the coolest thing since dairy-free ice cream!

I'd stay wheat-free for a few months and then try again, Mayflours.


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Mayflours.


very good.....young padawan.
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Hey.  When there's a pun available to me, I usually take it.


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It's been almost a week now on the Teacher diet, and I have to say that I am feeling much, much better.

My mood has stabilized, my thoughts are calmer, my joint aches are noticeably disappearing, and my neck muscles are finally unlocking and there were about two or three days there where one of my neck vertebra would noticeably make a single "crack" sound when I bent my head backward, causing a relaxing tingling sensation to move through me.  

I think I'm starting to get feeling back in the ulnar region of my left hand, after six months to a year of dull numbness there, as well as a constant aching in my left shoulder, upper left arm and interscapular muscles.
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well how about that!!


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Lo-laaaaaaaaa...  

You know, I'm having a lot more energy in the past few days and I find myself wanting to go out and get some sunshine and exercise.

I also tracked down a girl I knew from my lonely, miserable undergraduate days at Duke, and had a long talk with her about making sense of what happened at college, and basically comparing notes.  She's married now, with kids, which is depressing somewhat when compared to me, but she gave me perspective that I never had before.

It's astounding how there is this lonefying dynamic to life, whereby people seem to be actively discouraged from not only developing the ability to really take in and understand what's going on around them, but also to have the language framing skills to organize and communicate those thoughts, so that we can have real connection with those around us, to alleviate all the soul-snuffing alienation, isolation, and loneliness.
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You're making me wonder if I should remeasure myself.  My shoulder still hurts.  I still have tingling in my left pinkie.  I have to go to the chiropractor every single week (and really feel like I need it more often) to get my neck and back adjusted or I get terrible headaches.


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Ribbit,

And you're sure you're an "A"?

Are you typing a lot on a computer?  A laptop?  Are you routinely contorting or putting pressure on your carpal region?
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I have a problem with numbness or tingling in my pinkie fingers, and my chiro cracks my elbow to treat it.  Working at a desk and computer contributed to it.  I believe leaning my elbows on the desk while listening to our instructor (classroom training for a job I had a few years ago) is what brought about my first time with that condition.
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My neck and shoulder get really stiff and sore when I eat dairy. If I don't eat dairy, the soreness goes and neck and shoulders relax.
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Curious,
I have had a neck pain for a few months now, on the right side.  I have also been eating more dairy
a la gatherer plan, like cottage cheese and ricotta.  I wonder if I cut it out for a few weeks if that pain would lessen.....think I may try and see.  
I just visited with a fellow gtd/btder in the area.  We think I am a gatherer.  But both of us like the
original btd foods and did ok on them.  Maybe there's a connection with the new dairy items.....thanks for the idea.  I will explore!
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I have had a neck pain for a few months now, on the right side.  I have also been eating more dairy
a la gatherer plan, like cottage cheese and ricotta.  I wonder if I cut it out for a few weeks if that pain would lessen.....think I may try and see.  
I just visited with a fellow gtd/btder in the area.  We think I am a gatherer.  But both of us like the
original btd foods and did ok on them.  Maybe there's a connection with the new dairy items.....thanks for the idea.  I will explore!

Paulam, it is worth a try. I'd be interested to know whether cutting out dairy makes your pain go away as well.
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Ribbit,

And you're sure you're an "A"?

Are you typing a lot on a computer?  A laptop?  Are you routinely contorting or putting pressure on your carpal region?


I still have the little card with 4 red blotches on it.  Yep, I'm A+.  The question was always GenoType.  I really do straddle the line between Warrior and Teacher.  Let's see.....do I type a lot on the computer?  I routinely contort myself when I hold children.  No, not really.  I had a trampoline accident my jr year of highschool and I think I did a lot more damage to it than I or my chiro realized.  It's my left collar bone and left bicipital tendon.  Sometimes it hurts down my sternum too.  My chiro adjusts my collar bone, bicipital tendon and elbows, wrists, neck, back, you name it.  Sometimes she even adjusts my jaw.


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perhaps better to go for ostheopathy then chiro...

and a bit of medi-tapes just onto those areas  
whithin hours no aching anymore..... I got my own experience on that....works amazingly....


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stefina,

Apparently I'm an "A" Teacher... and I'd been on an O-nonnie diet for just over two whole years.

That meant lots of red meat.  I've been dealing with aches and pains in my sternum, neck, and entire left arm for just over a year now, although the diet did stop the irritable bowel I'd had for 21 years, which was a huge benefit.

For the last three days I've been following the Teacher diet and taking the suggested supplements, and I'm already feeling a huge difference, and my abdomen has already started to go down noticeably.

Since I found out today that it's entirely possible that, since I sent off my secretor test two years ago as an "O", and that's the antigen they test for, that I might actually be an "A" secretor after all... So I'm taking the "non" off my avatar until I know for sure.



I just read this post. I've been thinking about you and your situation. I'm glad you followed your spur of the moment idea to test yourself. I'm sure you've found an accurate answer.

The universe is kind if we listen. It would be just cruel to find out that you were another blood type after this ordeal.  

I would feel better if you donated blood to have a triple check. But do what you can for now.  My husband is an A and I'm pretty sure he is a teacher.  When he eats red meat he gets really bloated.

Keep us posted.

This is really a trip isn't it?  
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I have to go to the chiropractor every single week (and really feel like I need it more often) to get my neck and back adjusted or I get terrible headaches.


Ribbit, that doesn't seem right. Isn't a chiropractor supposed to fix the problem? Your neck keeps going out weekly? Have you tried yoga instead? It's a lot cheaper..

I'd rather see a ND than a chiropractor. I've heard a lot of stories of necks and backs getting fractured over the years.
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perhaps better to go for ostheopathy then chiro...


Yes, definitely consider this!  Osteopathy is a far more wholistic and deep system of medicine than chiropractic.  But be careful, because I think in the US many "osteopaths" are simply MDs and don't work with the structure and energy of the body.


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Hm.  I have long felt that I should be able to hold an adjustment longer than two or three days, but I've never been able to.  My children are the same way.  If we go more than a week without an adjustment they start complaining about their backs hurting and heads hurting, and when we go again, they're all out of alignment.


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... If we go more than a week without an adjustment they start complaining about their backs hurting and heads hurting, and when we go again, they're all out of alignment.

Maybe you are eating something that makes your body go out of alignment. For me it is dairy (as posted above). It might be worthwhile to experiment with the food you eat.

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*sigh* But I was dairy-free for 10 years!  Maybe I'm on the wrong GTD.


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Hm.  I have long felt that I should be able to hold an adjustment longer than two or three days, but I've never been able to.  My children are the same way.  If we go more than a week without an adjustment they start complaining about their backs hurting and heads hurting, and when we go again, they're all out of alignment.


Maybe a combination of exercise and chiropractic is in order.  Sometimes when my back or neck is aching, exercise takes care of it. I have to go for an adjustment eventually, but exercise helps me go longer between visits, and diet has made a huge difference too.  Since I've been on GTD I am aching a bit more, but I expect that during this transition, and some of the Nomad foods are more inflammatory to me too (the cheeses for example).  Have you noticed a difference between BTD and GTD in this issue?
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Ribbit,

Perhaps if you've been through a bout of extreme stress at any point and, if you've been on strong antibiotics, you might have a severe overgrowth issue in your bowels that is draining you.  Do you have a distended abdomen or abdominal upset?

Also, perhaps you might be one of those Lewis double negatives.  They have a very hard time of it.

I'm just asking questions here.
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I don't know what a Lewis double negative is.  I don't have any abdominal upsets anymore.  The BTD fixed that!  It's pretty flat considering I've had 3 children!  I'm proud of myself.

Drive, that's what my husband keeps telling me--that if I'd get outside and move around a little more I wouldn't need to go as often.  He may be right, but we live in the middle of the city and there's nothing to do outside except pull weeds out of my flower gardens and get chewed up by mosquitoes and take walks in early mornings before everybody wakes up, which I plan on starting up again when we get back from our road trip next week.

Re: inflammation, I would say I can't tell any difference between the BTD and GTD.  The BTD healed me of all my inflamation.....oh, wait.  I do have to say that with the skin issues I have, all the big bumps go away faster on the GTD.  They don't stay all swollen up for weeks or months like they did on the BTD.  Should I start my own thread?  I feel like I'm hyjacking Ron's thread.  If you want me to start my own I'll do it.  DH says when we get back home I should try the Teacher diet for a couple of weeks just to see.  There's so much "iffy" stuff when it comes to measuring.  Palms up, my index fingers are noticeably longer.  Palms down, index finger is longer on one hand, ring finger longer on the other---a Teacher trait.  Hmmmm.


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Double Lewis Negative (LDN) blood type, it is typically
common for me to clinical consider LDNs non-secretors, even
though for technical reasons, secretor status can not be
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metabolically, LDNs are probably super-non secretors from a
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I asked a chiropractor what the optimum number of adjustments per week would be...ideally, for the average person, and she said 2 or 3 per wk. Everyday would be nice but it wouldn't give your body enough chance to learn to hold the effect.
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Maybe it's me, but I don't see why you should need all those adjustments all the time.

That suggests to me that you're having muscular tension, for some reason, that is pulling your nerve-carrying joints out of whack.
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yeah, some kind of tension. I haven't been for years, but if I did go I'm sure there would be something I needed.
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I asked a chiropractor what the optimum number of adjustments per week would be...ideally, for the average person, and she said 2 or 3 per wk. Everyday would be nice but it wouldn't give your body enough chance to learn to hold the effect.


That seems like an awful lot of adjustments on a regular basis.  

I know when I first started going to the chiropractor I went three times a week. It tapered off over a period of several months and now I only need minor adjusting every 6-8 weeks.

Ron, I'm glad to see that you are feeling so much better!Feeling good is huge, at least it was for me it was.  




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That's part of the problem (and one reason I'm questioning my genotype).  I don't gain muscle mass.  My arms and legs are very skinny.  I used to do some weight lifting and I never got any stronger.  I never gained any muscle.  Even after being on the Warrior diet, I did lose a few inches around my waist and around my hips, which I'm delighted about, but I don't seem to be able to get any stronger.  Now I do have to say that I have a lot more endurance.  I can plug along at a quick walking pace, up and down hills, for much longer than I used to be able to do (even on the BTD) without getting tired.  And (one improvement from being on the BTD), I can reach down and put my knuckles on the floor.  Nearly my palms, but not quite.  When I was in elementary and middle school (which is when I felt the worst in life), we would stretch in gym class and I was doing well to get my fingertips past my knees.  My legs hurt so much and the muscles were so tight that I could hardly touch my knees.  Anyway, I'd like to see myself be able to form a little muscle.  If I could do that maybe I could hold an adjustment.  My childhood chiropractor gave me exercises to do to strengthen my back and neck muscles, but they never did any good.  They never improved anything.


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That's part of the problem (and one reason I'm questioning my genotype).  I don't gain muscle mass.  My arms and legs are very skinny.  


Hey Ribbit, I usually bulk up easily..but I don't know if that's a Warrior indication..Dr. D looks thin in his pic..did you see it he just posted it?

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I bulk up easily right around my middle.  But that flab bulk, not muscle bulk.


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he sure does!
besides, his GT diet has given him a six pack!!
way to go Dr D!!!


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I bulk up easily right around my middle.  But that flab bulk, not muscle bulk.


Ha! I bulk up around the middle as all Warriors.. I looked like a barrel when I was pregnant.

Lola, Dr. D  does have that six pack he spoke of...he just isn't bulked up..that's what I was referring to Ribbit.   Good thing he didn't take the challenge..lol..
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You're making me wonder if I should remeasure myself.  My shoulder still hurts.  I still have tingling in my left pinkie.  I have to go to the chiropractor every single week (and really feel like I need it more often) to get my neck and back adjusted or I get terrible headaches.

I have many toxin problems that are still clearing, but most of the chiropractic problems were reduced or eliminated by eliminating allergies using the NAET technique.  I still have some issue if I am detoxing a great lot at one time, but usually it is when I react to an allergen.


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What?  You were able reduce your chiropractor visits by using NAET?  Hmmmm.  I'll have to look at that section of the budget and see if I can afford to go to NAET treatments.  I may have to save up for a while.


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Wow, thats incredible. To think and eat for an O and then be an A. I do not know how I would feel? I am shocked for you. I am sure you will notice positive changes and will feel better than you ever have. Good luck!
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I bulk up easily right around my middle.  But that flab bulk, not muscle bulk.


Ribbit,

You may be an endomorphic body type. That's more of an indicator of muscle building than geno. FYI

The good thing about endo (what I envy) is that when you gain it's only in the middle and you can hide it with a long shirt until you lose a few.

With meso you gain all over and have to completely adjust the wardrobe.  

Unless you make weight lifting/exercising a top priority you are unlikely to gain muscle. Believe it or not, It is enviable.
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I bulk up easily right around my middle.  But that flab bulk, not muscle bulk.

I build middle flab during heavy detox sessions when it is too much to "move" at once, then slow the detox and move it out.

I also suffer from your other symptom, very skinny arms, although not so much legs...  The strength is there, just not appreciable muscle mass...

Reducing the allergic reactions made the spine much more stable...  I was a three visit a week regular at the chiro until eliminating most of the allergies...  Now I see him about once per quarter year if I get fixated.  

Usually, I can relax and stretch to handle the movement from normal detox...



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Hmm. I'm a Warrior and I have some muscle   If I flex my arm I can see my bicep..(we want to pump you uuup!) Maybe it's because I was athletic growing up.

ABJoe, have you actually tried to build bulk on your arms? I mean through free weights or barbells?
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Ribbit,

You may be an endomorphic body type. That's more of an indicator of muscle building than geno. FYI

The good thing about endo (what I envy) is that when you gain it's only in the middle and you can hide it with a long shirt until you lose a few.

With meso you gain all over and have to completely adjust the wardrobe.  

Unless you make weight lifting/exercising a top priority you are unlikely to gain muscle. Believe it or not, It is enviable.


This is true.  I can hide a lot with a well-colored and well-fitting shirt.  


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Hmm. I'm a Warrior and I have some muscle   If I flex my arm I can see my bicep..(we want to pump you uuup!) Maybe it's because I was athletic growing up.

ABJoe, have you actually tried to build bulk on your arms? I mean through free weights or barbells?


Yes, all I gain is lots of pain and frustration...  I worked with a trainer for a while...  I gained strength, but the muscle mass stayed about the same...  Still skinny arms.  I've just accepted that I will have skinny arms, as long as I have the strength, I don't care about bulk.


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I just ordered a new secretor test, just to see if I'm a nonnie as an A, too.
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AB, that's odd. Are you generally a skinny person all over? Maybe you just need to gain some weight, properly, through good food..? How about a pic?  Unless of course, you're famous and don't want us to know..    then cool.   Hormones could be low also (testosterone)

Ron, will be interesting to see if the blood type has anything to do with it.. does it I wonder?
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Ron, so glad to hear you are feeling better!! Think how great you'll feel in another month or two!! And will be interested in how your secretor status comes out.  

Ribbit, it wouldn't surprise me at all if you're eating for the wrong GT. I only say that because pre BTD, my upper back and neck hurt constantly. Plus I felt like I had a knife in my back by my shoulder blade (ribhead out, always slightly if not greatly  ) I was going to the chiro twice a week. BTD fixed that lickety split. Now I only go once every couple of months or if a ribhead comes out. Also, wanted to mention, lifting kids can pull a ribhead out quickly. (and how do YOU get around that one eh?  ) Last year, I was having pains in my chest and went to the heart guy. Everything checked out fine. He said he sees many young gals w/ kids having this same pain. It's from hauling kids around. I lift my g'kids all the time. Just can't seem to help meself. Went to the chiro......sure enough, ribhead out.               re: being out of adjustment all the time. We used to go to the chiro every week as kids (he said it was a must to keep our spines in line). Not until I was prob in my 30's did I find that to not be true. (my mom and I used to make the same comments as you - about how we were always out..........sometimes it seemed like we were out before we left the office).    Anyway, I had a car accident. Several weeks of 6 or 7 times a week at the chiro's brought no change. My ins co. insisted I get another opinion. Whilst going to this other chiro, I was taking Jamie (as I'd been told she too needed weekly adjustments by the other chiro). The new guy asked me why I was bringing her every wk, I told him, he said I shouldn't. That when you are over adjusted, your spine becomes like the baby pop links (the kind that has a little 'nub' on one end and a hole on the other). The more you pop them in and out of one another, the looser the hole gets until they don't really hold any more. Made sense to me and I stopped the weekly visits and the other milk me and the ins co. chiro as well. I was really upset w/ the old chiro, I really trusted him. We have been better for not going every week, as it turned out. My current chiro says the same thing............come when necessary. I personally feel I need to go at least once every 2 mths.

Curious mentioned that perhaps you might be eating something that causes your back/s to come out. Pre BTD, I would've rolled my eyes at that one, but for me wheat does that trick. My chiro might be rolling his eyes inside .........I've mentioned that to him before......the wheat connection.

jayneeo........JMHO........but I'd run fast away from that chiro. 2-3 times a week is nothing more than a money making scheme. IMHO of course. I've proven that to myself tho unfortunately.  



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AB, that's odd. Are you generally a skinny person all over? Maybe you just need to gain some weight, properly, through good food..? How about a pic?  Unless of course, you're famous and don't want us to know..    then cool.   Hormones could be low also (testosterone)

Ron, will be interesting to see if the blood type has anything to do with it.. does it I wonder?


It's not really odd: 2 somatypes don't build muscle like athletes: endo and ecto

please don't think something is wrong with you and mess with your system.  I can't lift a pencil without bulking up.

I'd (in the past) give anything to be one of the other two. But I learned to accept myself.  
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Yes, all I gain is lots of pain and frustration...  I worked with a trainer for a while...  I gained strength, but the muscle mass stayed about the same...  Still skinny arms.  I've just accepted that I will have skinny arms, as long as I have the strength, I don't care about bulk.

ABJoe, I have the same trouble.  Skinny arms, skinny legs, skinny neck, skinny torso!  I have hit the weights on and off over the years, with never any improvement except tone.  I've got a theory on that, and maybe it applies to you too.  Ectomorph somatype aside, our bodies focus on building and repairing what is most important, namely our internal organs, before allocating resources toward the building of skeletal muscle.  Right now, I'm not even bothering with weight training, because I know my guts still have a lot of healing to do.  Maybe once my egg sensitivity is completely gone, I'll give it a try again.

ps: I don't even have much strength, so it could be worse for you!
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I've read that it takes at least 5 years to bulk up to any degree if you're body building..That's without taking illegal hormones..They use a lot of weight gaining powders, creatinine, L-arginine..things like that.  
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AB, that's odd. Are you generally a skinny person all over? Maybe you just need to gain some weight, properly, through good food..? How about a pic?  Unless of course, you're famous and don't want us to know..    then cool.   Hormones could be low also (testosterone)

I'm not super skinny, just have very long, thin arms...  My weight is about 165lbs. on a 5'11" frame.  I was very slender as a child, so much so that Dad remarked once that I was the only kid he knew that could hide behind a telephone pole...

I think that we would have found any major problem with the kinesiology testing...  We've healed most of the internal organs and are basicly just taking maintenance doses of supplements to keep the organs healthy while detoxing the myriad of garbage that I was exposed to as a teen/young adult.  

I'm waiting until the detox has stopped before getting into any other projects...


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I'm waiting until the detox has stopped before getting into any other projects...

Good idea!
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That's part of the problem (and one reason I'm questioning my genotype).

Ribbit, I think there may be some merit to reconsidering your GT.  You said you were close between Warrior and Teacher.  I wonder if bacterial overgrowth has anything to do with acne and/or spinal pain and inflammation (that could be largely due to carrying around the kids, like IB said!).
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So Ribbit, how do you fare on a lot of cheese?
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IB, I'm starting to think you are right about that chiro......after reading all these posts....
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It's not really odd: 2 somatypes don't build muscle like athletes: endo and ecto
please don't think something is wrong with you and mess with your system.  I can't lift a pencil without bulking up.
I'd (in the past) give anything to be one of the other two. But I learned to accept myself.  


I was thinking about your response and it brought to my mind the Doshas.  Vata, Pitta, Kapha...Vata's are naturally thin and lanky. My ex told me that most times people are a combo of two, that is I am a Pitta/Kapha (hence the weight problems)(Fire Monkey)Interesting how the Asian astrology and ayurvedic healing kind of synchronize in a lot of ways. I'm not trained in Ayurvedic medicine but if one is a Vata dosha, then they would have trouble bulking up.  

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IB, I'm starting to think you are right about that chiro......after reading all these posts....


jayneeo, it makes me really sad to see these kinds of chiros in practice, but it's like every other profession..........good and bad in all. it's just disheartening for me because I know a good chiro is really helpful and when you explicitly trust one and find out they're just a hoolagin, well.............



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I was thinking about your response and it brought to my mind the Doshas.  Vata, Pitta, Kapha...Vatta's are naturally thin and lanky. My ex told me that most times people are a combo of two, that is I am a Pitta/Kapha (hence the weight problems)(Fire Monkey)Interesting how the Asian astrology and ayurvedic healing kind of synchronize in a lot of ways. I'm not trained in Ayurvedic medicine but if one is a Vata dosha, then they would have trouble bulking up.  



you know what? I just read about those. too funny.  Yes, your husband is right. At least all of the stuff that I've read states that most people are a combo!

Just for a day I'd like to be a tall ecto and wear awesome fashions.  
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I just realized that I'd been taking all kinds of anti-inflammatory substances for almost a year now... and me with an overtolerant immune system as a Teacher, already.

I've had this pain just behind my lower right rib, just at the very top of the right side of my abdomen.  Let's hope it's not liver cancer.

Also, I've had this white patch on the side of my tongue that occasionally feels sore and bleeds.  Let's hope that's not cancer, either.

From now on, always check your blood type first... especially if you think you know it already.  The only exception is if the Red Cross takes your blood and types you.
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generate only positive thoughts, ok?

start practicing your alternate nostril breathing and so on.....
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generate only positive thoughts, ok?

I'm not so good at that.    

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lifestyle, remember?
  
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I have to say that I had an early breakfast today of plain oatmeal with honey, and a cup of iced black coffee.

VERY good, that.  And it didn't give me ANY stomach upset at all!  In fact, I felt great after eating it.

Now, as far as that "easygoing" personality of a Teacher, well, I suppose I should be working on that.  Truth be told, I think the reason I don't have that is because I didn't get to grow up the way I wanted to, in one town all my life, so I could've laid down deep roots and developed a reassured, easygoing personality.
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Now, as far as that "easygoing" personality of a Teacher, well, I suppose I should be working on that.  Truth be told, I think the reason I don't have that is because I didn't get to grow up the way I wanted to, in one town all my life, so I could've laid down deep roots and developed a reassured, easygoing personality.


I say you are a Warrior.. I have spoken. (kidding but if I'm right, I'm putting up a shingle)  

The diets are very similar...


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Also, I've had this white patch on the side of my tongue that occasionally feels sore and bleeds.  Let's hope that's not cancer, either.



Sounds like Candida.....


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I have to say that I had an early breakfast today of plain oatmeal with honey, and a cup of iced black coffee.

VERY good, that.  And it didn't give me ANY stomach upset at all!  In fact, I felt great after eating it.

Now, as far as that "easygoing" personality of a Teacher, well, I suppose I should be working on that.  Truth be told, I think the reason I don't have that is because I didn't get to grow up the way I wanted to, in one town all my life, so I could've laid down deep roots and developed a reassured, easygoing personality.



take it easy and join in here for positive thoughts if you aren't good at it! We'll keep 'em coming.

Write affirmations daily!  I'm your teacher boy... write your sentences 100 times.  "Strength and Support will come to me"

I'll be grading you!  That might seem too simple?  

Think about those who don't get the simplicity of the BTD knowledge. They think eliminating tomatoes or dairy from their diet is too simple of a cure or too hard, but it works!

EVERYDAY!


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that pain could be gallbladder...an A eating like an O...well, could get some complaints from the gallbladder! You can check the threads on that...there are many, and they are helpful....it can be controlled quite easily.
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Yeah, the pain is right in the vicinity of the gallbladder.  I definitely need to do a gallbladder cleanse, to see if I can pass any of the stones.
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Also, I've had this white patch on the side of my tongue that occasionally feels sore and bleeds.  Let's hope that's not cancer, either.


If you can scrape off the white stuff it is likely candida.  If not, get it checked out because it could be leukoplakia.


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Leukoplakia?  What's that???

I notice I only get it when I've been taking what are probably too many supplements... because my gums also get raw and sore.
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Ron it could just be thrush. Here's a link:




http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/oralthrush.htm
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Leukoplakia?  What's that???

I notice I only get it when I've been taking what are probably too many supplements... because my gums also get raw and sore.


Leukoplakia is metaplastic/dysplastic changes to the epithelium usually due to tobacco or alcohol use or chronic irritation.  It should be checked out because it is considered pre-cancerous.

What you have is likely candida (aka thrush) which is usually white on a red base and can be scraped off.  

It could also be lichen planus, which can affect the oral cavity and may be a reaction to medication or amalgam fillings.  Although I'm not sure lichen planus presents as a white lesion usually.  


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Kate,

But this occasionally opens and bleeds.
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But this occasionally opens and bleeds.


I would def have that checked out. I had a spot on my chest that did that.........after 4 derms, finally one biopsied it. It was cancer.........the least worrisome kind tho. So don't mess around too long.  
I was originally going to say (before I got the opens and bleeds part) that you might consider how long you have been eating for the wrong b/t............it's bound to cause some issues.    Just glad you got that all straightened out. Now when you get your secretor results, you'll be set.
And why do you automatically suppose these 2 things are cancerous? does it run in your family? Just wondering out loud.  



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Kate,

But this occasionally opens and bleeds.


OK...  That doesn't really help narrow it down for me.  Get it checked out, then you will know for sure.


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Welcome back Ron,

     I can tell by the energy in your posts you are feeling better. I am happy for you that you are discovering your best path and are listening to your body.

     I am a bit wary of supplements, myself. Having had negative things happen from taking Vitamin E and then later from small amounts of fish oils, I take supplements with great caution, even though people keep urging me to take them.

     You know best for yourself!!

     Thanks for the lesson. When someone is struggling there is always a reason.



      


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So Ribbit, how do you fare on a lot of cheese?


Sorry, y'all, this is from last page, but I've been out of town since last Wed. a.m. and just got back late last night.

I seem to do okay with cheese now that I'm the Warrior diet.  On the BTD I couldn't eat cheese or wheat.  I used to be especially intolerant of dairy.  Any tiny bit would send me to the bathroom the next day with stomach pain so terrible that I would literally have to breathe heavy as if I were in labor to deal with the pain. Also, I'd get very dizzy for about 12 hours. It would blow through and I'd be fine.  Dizziiness suddenly gone, all cramping gone.  Now I have no trouble at all.  My stomach is happier than it's ever been.

But might the Teacher diet be better?  I will see.  I'll go shopping tomorrow and buy Teacher foods and see what happens this next week.


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I've had this pain just behind my lower right rib, just at the very top of the right side of my abdomen.


Ron,

Is this pain at the point of the ribcage where it stops going down from the sternum and flattens out to go around the side?

If so, this is probably the gall bladder trigger point.  If so, following the liver protocol will reduce the pain, and help the liver in the process.  I have also found that in addition to the liver protocol, red beets, if OK for your type, are really helpful for the gall bladder.


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Is this pain at the point of the ribcage where it stops going down from the sternum and flattens out to go around the side?


Yeah, that's where it is.  Thanks...
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But might the Teacher diet be better?  I will see.  I'll go shopping tomorrow and buy Teacher foods and see what happens this next week.



Good luck with that..Usually we would really love our foods in our right promgram so how do you feel about the Warrior foods as compared to the Teacher foods by looking at the plans? Like with me, most of my totally favorite foods..are in Warrior. I also tend to get dark circles from too much dairy. So let us know ok?  
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Ron, the pain could also be from some sort of stomach irritation. I used to get a pain in that exact spot, and it was caused from a hiatal hernia/acid reflux, strangely enough. You may just have a Candida colony in your stomach that has done a job on the stomach lining. One way you could check either of these out is eat a couple of Tums and see if the pain stops. Are you getting plenty of bioflavonoids with your C?
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Spring,

When I take the Betaine HCL after eating, I notice that my abdominal discomfort all but disappears, and I usually start venting methane.
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Could it be the pylori bacteria causing an ulcer? My mother had it and she got a sharp burning pain on the side of her stomach.
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Spring,

When I take the Betaine HCL after eating, I notice that my abdominal discomfort all but disappears, and I usually start venting methane.


Ron, that is great and indicates that it is probably something that will be easy to "fix." Have you tried bromelain? I could never take it for any length of time before my stomach healed on the Warrior diet. But now it is a staple and causes no discomfort whatsoever. Eating corn and uncultured, commercial "yogurt" had done a real number on my stomach, but, thank goodness, that is behind me now. I can even eat tomato now and then without any problems - before GTD one bite would feel as if it were burning a hole in my stomach and my nerves would be shot. If I hadn't experienced this for myself, I would have forevermore thought that the tomato was the culprit instead of the corn and "yogurt!" BTW, I have no problem at all with real, cultured yogurt such as Stonyfield Farm.
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Well, I gave blood at the Red Cross two days ago and I got my blood type results back on the phone today.

The BTD home test was right as rain.  I'm an A-positive.
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Yeppers..I did the same thing, plus I went to the MD and got myself typed while he was doing routine blood work.   You just reminded me I'm due to give blood..ow. I usually give in the summer.
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Well, I gave blood at the Red Cross two days ago and I got my blood type results back on the phone today.

The BTD home test was right as rain.  I'm an A-positive.

Wow.  So you really are one of "them", huh?  Well, you are always welcome in the O non fold because we consider you an Honorary O Non for Life, Ron.  But I know that your true Type A tribe will welcome you with open arms and initiate you into all their mysterious rites and thaaaangs.  Enjoy!





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Here is the link I found to a gallstone-flushing treatment.  I'm going to give it a try tomorrow night, because it requires 24 hours of eating nothing with fat in it.

http://www.regaininghealthnatu.....nes_From_My_Body.PDF

It looks pretty reasonable.  The parent website is http://www.regaininghealthnaturally

Of course, if they don't like BTD, I'm done with them.
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Kate,

But this occasionally opens and bleeds.


Ooh, I have just learned that with candida you can scrape off the white patch and that it may bleed when you do this...  Probably candida.  This is a sign of decreased immunity (duh), but hopefully your new diet will help get you back into tip-top shape immune-wise and this will go away on its own.


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Ooh, I have just learned that with candida you can scrape off the white patch and that it may bleed when you do this...  Probably candida.  This is a sign of decreased immunity (duh), but hopefully your new diet will help get you back into tip-top shape immune-wise and this will go away on its own.


Yeah... and I'd been on the Hunter diet before, taking the anti-inflammatory stuff like crazy.  That probably made things much, much worse.

Now I'm doing the precise opposite on the A-Teacher diet:  I'm taking the supplements, as well as the immune-stimulating supplements in the Encyclopedia, as well as Rekon Pro.  

Once I finally understood my true blood type and read the Teacher vulnerabilities, I realized that I'd been doing precisely the worst things for myself.

The bitter lesson:  ALWAYS VERIFY YOUR BLOOD TYPE WITH AN ACTUAL TEST BEFORE STARTING THE DIET.  TRUST NOOOOO ONE.
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Ron, when will you know secretor status?


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Ron, when will you know secretor status?


Hopefully I should know any day now.  It was received by the lab on July 19th, and they say they need from 7 to 10 days to process it.
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I just got my results, but I'm concerned about their validity.

It says I'm a non-secretor.

The reason I'm concerned about the validity, is because of the DHL delivery issue.  As I've already explained, the sample sat around for over two hours, unrefrigerated, because DHL has nothing in their database that showed the dropoff location I went to, as being in their system.

...This, despite the fact that there were "DHL Dropoff" locations all over the store.  

Anyhow, the shopkeeper phoned me two hours later to tell me that the company had never come by to pick up the sample.  So I rushed over, picked it up, and kept it in the refrigerator overnight.

The next morning, I drove around for an hour, looking for yet another DHL location.  I found a full-service location (not just a drop box) at a nearby mailing store, but the DHL driver had actually come by 15 minutes EARLY, and was long gone by the time I arrived.

So I was forced to drive across town and leave it off in a drop box, where it presumably sat for 30-45 minutes before the driver came to pick it up (if he ever came by at the proper time at all, I have no idea).

All in all, I had a nightmare experience with this company, and I can't help but wonder if sitting around for as long as it did, would have caused any secreted blood type antigen in the saliva sample to degrade, thereby giving me a false negative.
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did you call the lab and ask the same question?
they will give you a more precise answer and even get a redo, for free?
no harm done in asking, right?


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did you call the lab and ask the same question?
they will give you a more precise answer and even get a redo, for free?
no harm done in asking, right?


I guess not.  

I just so tired of having to fight like mad for every little inch in life, when most people just seem to be born on an escalator.

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Ron, I can't believe that this would have affected your results. Those folks know as well as we do that these samples are apt to sit around many hours before they can be processed. I think Dr. D. or someone from the clinic should address this once and for all so people could stop worrying about it!
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Like I said before somewhere... my family's test samples sat around for a few hours, in the hot sun even, before the DHL truck arrived. We got 2 non's and one secretor out of that bunch.

Plus... being a non would explain why you did quite well as a mistaken O. My A non son just loves lamb.

I understand, though, why you might not feel you can trust the results, since everything else has been turned upside down....


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If you have doubts, I suggest confirming measurement with a serotype panel
Southwest Naturopathic Medical Clinic
in Scottsdale, AZ.  480-970-0000

This will confirm your
Blood Type
Rh factor

Tell you Lewis group (determines secretor status)

Also will tell your subtype A1 or A2  
as well as MM, NN, or  MN


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Thanks...

If they'll let me ship it somehow, I'll do it.  But I live in Washington state, so I'm not willing to fly down to do it.
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I just called there and, after going around in circles for awhile with the person who answered the phone, was told that they only do it through a doctor drawing blood and sending it to them.

So now I have to find a rare doctor who is "hip" to it, and have that done.

For anyone else, this would be easy.  But for me?  The universe magically, prankishly, and cruelly rearranges itself so that I, specifically, automatically have the most difficult set of circumstances ever to occur in the entire history of the entire universe.

Since as long as I can remember, whatever I alone reach for, simply by virtue of me reaching for it, turns into a festering pile of goo.  Perhaps you've heard of "The Midas Touch"?  

...Well, I have "The Feces Touch".  Everything I touch, it turns to... well, you get the idea.
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I just called there and, after going around in circles for awhile with the person who answered the phone, was told that they only do it through a doctor drawing blood and sending it to them.

So now I have to find a rare doctor who is "hip" to it, and have that done.

For anyone else, this would be easy.  But for me?  The universe magically, prankishly, and cruelly rearranges itself so that I, specifically, automatically have the most difficult set of circumstances ever to occur in the entire history of the entire universe.

Your are not alone in this Ice Bear. I have been trying to find someone to do this for me as well for several years now. I would like to know which type of A I am and the MN info as well...especially since SWAMI is sooo close to being available to us online.

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does your GT status change if you were a non secretor?
if the answer is no, then simply follow your teacher diamond path, for a couple of weeks......


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only do it through a doctor drawing blood and sending it to them.

So now I have to find a rare doctor who is "hip" to it, and have that done.


I did not use a doctor. I used a nurse.

I waited until my employer had its annual wellness day. They contract with a hospital to test blood for a variety of things (cholesterol, a variety of minerals, ...). She was drawing several tubes of blood. I brought my extra tube for SCNM, handed it to her and asked that since she was drawing blood anyway could she fill an extra tube. She said: sure-no problem. She made some observation about the persevative they used in the tube. I thought it was going to be difficult. But getting the bood drawn ended up being extremely easy!!

If the wellness day had not been close, I would have asked one of the nurses at a blood drive to draw the tube when he/she was drawing the vials they use for testing. I think threatening to not donate would convince most blood centers to draw the extra tube of blood for you.




Biggest hassle was shipping it. I thought I was going to be able to drop it into a fedex drop box-since SCNM had prepaid shipping. But I read fed ex web site and it said medical specimens had to go to a manned facility. This involved driving about an hour each way, but I convinced my employer's mail-room to hand it to the driver when he did his normal pickup and delivery from us. It took a lot more explaining to convince the mail staff to do this for me than to get the nurse to draw blood.  I think if I had not read the fed ex web site and put it in the drop box everything would have been fine.



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I brought my extra tube for SCNM

have you been to Phoenix?


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have you been to Phoenix?


Not for this!

When I phoned SCNM, I ordered a kit. They sent me a package that include the tube for collecting the blood, a block of styrofoam for packaging, a box to hold the tube and the styrofoam, some labels, and a page of directions.

After I sent in the kit, they sent me back the results and a list of foods that I should eat and not eat. Food list was based on Dadamo's recommendation for blood type and secretor status.


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For anyone else, this would be easy.  But for me?  The universe magically, prankishly, and cruelly rearranges itself so that I, specifically, automatically have the most difficult set of circumstances ever to occur in the entire history of the entire universe.

Since as long as I can remember, whatever I alone reach for, simply by virtue of me reaching for it, turns into a festering pile of goo.  Perhaps you've heard of "The Midas Touch"?  

...Well, I have "The Feces Touch".  Everything I touch, it turns to... well, you get the idea.


Ron,
This is not the positive affirmations that Stefina was talking about...     

I realize that it seems like the goo touch sometimes, but a positive mental attitude does help.  It is up to you to maintain it, though.  Once you start feeling better, it will be easier, but it still takes practice.   

I also think the white on the tongue is Candida based.  I am dealing with the same (or very similar) thing...  

Several things that really helps this fight are:
1) to keep the mouth impeccably clean.  Make sure to floss well, brush  and rinse twice a day.  My dental hygienist said the rinse should be 1 c. hot (to touch) water with 1/2 t. salt, take a mouthful, rinse until lukewarm in mouth - forcing through teeth, spit and continue until the cup was empty...  It seems to be helping, although the pain was intense the first couple of sessions...
2)  Reduce carb intake to very little.  Make the body burn fat for energy so the Candida has less access to sugars.
3)  Keep positive, YOU WILL WIN!  You didn't get sick overnight, so you won't get well overnight.  It is a process, but you are finding major clues and should get well much faster than you got sick...


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right C, got it!

I received that list you mention also, but went directly to them, last may while in the Phoenix conference!
thanks for the ride Kate!!


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For anyone else, this would be easy.  But for me?  The universe magically, prankishly, and cruelly rearranges itself so that I, specifically, automatically have the most difficult set of circumstances ever to occur in the entire history of the entire universe.

Since as long as I can remember, whatever I alone reach for, simply by virtue of me reaching for it, turns into a festering pile of goo.  Perhaps you've heard of "The Midas Touch"?  

...Well, I have "The Feces Touch".  Everything I touch, it turns to... well, you get the idea.


I'm sorry you are feeling down...  It is easy to look around and think that others have it easy, but if you go deeper you are likely to find that we each have our problems, challenges, and tragedies.  You just happen to be most familiar with your own and also probably less practiced at seeing your own gifts.

Although you may not always be able to choose what happens to you, you always do choose your reaction and attitude towards it.  This takes practice (as do all skills) but it can be done.  Refuse to waste any more time on negative experience by choosing to make every experience worthwhile.

I am a strong believer that your outlook and attitude has a major influence over what comes to you in life.  There are lots of great resources on this subject, such as The Secret and Ask and it is Given, The Power of Intention, and You Can Heal Your Life.  These are just a few.  


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Sitting around probably didn't change it to nonnie. Don't worry. It's good to know so call the testing company and get some reassurance.
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I guess not.  

I just so tired of having to fight like mad for every little inch in life, when most people just seem to be born on an escalator.


Perhaps you  could ask the Red Cross to perform Lewis antigen typing. They may be willing to do this for a fee of course.



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Ron, I had lots of setbacks in certain times of my life. Ages 10-20 were bad on average with some hopeful times. Then there were various things after that. But the fact that you found BTD will make those escalator riders losers if they don't find it.  Of course, the most important thing is that you find the Lord.
He certainly has helped us in this area of our lives.
You also have such a great support team on this site.
We're here to cheer you on!!
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Thanks, guys.  And the only thing I can say in my own defense is that my lousy attitude took a long, long time to develop.  

It's a long story for sympathetic ears only, to be heard by invitation only, I'm afraid.
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Ah...so finally your secretor status is known, yipee! Would it change your genotype in any way?

Looking forward to reading how you plan to achieve radiant health  !



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Ron,
I ve met you in person and consider you a very mature insightful guy and a pleasure to be with.
So just be yourself!


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I just called there and, after going around in circles for awhile with the person who answered the phone, was told that they only do it through a doctor drawing blood and sending it to them.

So now I have to find a rare doctor who is "hip" to it, and have that done.


I had this done by my ND. Easy-peasy. There must be ND's in Washington. I suggest calling around.


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Actually, I just got a callback from one of the laboratory personnel at Great Smokies Laboratory (it's now called "Genova Diagnostics"), and the lab person told me that the saliva sample is good for a minimum of 7 days, and that refrigeration effectively doubles that lifespan.  

So, apparently, I'm really and truly an A-nonnie.

Finally, I asked him whether or not I would automatically turn out as an A-nonnie if I turned out as an O-nonnie before.  He said that, to answer that question, a doctor would have to forward that question to their "medical education" department, who could answer it "hands down".  

He did stress, however, that they don't field questions like that from laypeople such as myself... only doctors.  So, if we want an answer to that question, it will have to be asked on our behalf, by a doctor.
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An A-nonnie! Yes, that would explain why you did as well as you did on the O-nonnie diet. The difference in the diets between A nonnies and A secretors is the largest of all the blood groups.

I'm glad for you that you finally know the truth and can go forward in your quest for great health. Whew!


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Ron, I'm happy that you finally found out for sure!  I understand feeling like the deck is stacked against you.  I have really noticed that I'm much more susceptible to negativity when I'm detoxing, such as at the beginning of a big dietary change....  Maybe it's just the changes you are going through, that are leaving you emotionally sensitive.  I've been there, and it sucks, but you get through it.  Heck, it sounds like you already have!
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I was talking with a guy in my office last week that always told me he was BT O.  We were discussing meat and I told him it calmed me down while he told me it agitated him He stuck with chicken, turkey and fish.  Hes also a bigger vegie eater than me.  I told him from the food choices he naturally chooses he sounded more like an A than an O.  He said he was born an A but was a blue baby and had to have a total blood transfer using type O blood.  So his mother told him he then became type O.  I told him to get his blood typed because his genetics were BT A.  I didnt want to negate what his mother told him, but I said that by now maybe he reverted back to BT A.


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urban legends! lol

he might be an aristocrat!!

blue blood an all!!


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Ron, you sound like me when I eat nightshades.  Is your diet entirely nightshade-free or are you eating any at all?  Just curious.


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he was born an A but was a blue baby and had to have a total blood transfer using type O blood.  So his mother told him he then became type O.


Someone that receive a blood transfusion of a different blood type is not going to change blood types. He may temporarily have cells of the other type in his body, but his bone marrow is going to produce replacement cells and these will all be the original blood type. Red blood cells do not divide they just die. New red blood cells are produced by bone marrow.

The average lifetime of a red blood cell is 120 days. Those cells he received as a baby are long gone. So Redlilac I think you were pretty diplomatic to say "maybe he reverted."



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Ron, you sound like me when I eat nightshades.  Is your diet entirely nightshade-free or are you eating any at all?  Just curious.
If I remember correctly, nightshades are things like potatoes, eggplant, and tomatoes, right?

If that's what they are then, yes, I'm avoiding nightshades.  My system is very, very sensitive...
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An A-nonnie! Yes, that would explain why you did as well as you did on the O-nonnie diet. The difference in the diets between A nonnies and A secretors is the largest of all the blood groups.

I'm glad for you that you finally know the truth and can go forward in your quest for great health. Whew!
Well, don't breathe that sigh of relief too soon because, on the O-nonnie diet, I was eating beef and lamb like a fanatic.  Also, I was methodically suppressing my already-weak Teacher immune system with all the O-nonnie Hunter anti-inflammatories like Chinese skullcap.

I've been experiencing a lot of weird pains around my gallbladder and back since shortly before finding out I was an A-nonnie Teacher.  I hope they're just perhaps an ulcer or something, because I don't currently have medical insurance to find out for sure.
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I've been experiencing a lot of weird pains around my gallbladder and back since shortly before finding out I was an A-nonnie Teacher.  I hope they're just perhaps an ulcer or something, because I don't currently have medical insurance to find out for sure.


Ron,

It would probably be good to follow the Liver protocol, as much as coincides with your diet...  I know that with all of the detoxing I am doing, that I have been supplementing my liver for 6 - 12 months and still have pains...  Most of the pain is caused by the body removing the toxin cysts from the diaphragm or rib areas now, but I had my share of gall bladder or liver pain as well...


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If I remember correctly, nightshades are things like potatoes, eggplant, and tomatoes, right?

If that's what they are then, yes, I'm avoiding nightshades.  My system is very, very sensitive...


And peppers, which would include seemingly innocent things like paprika.  


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I wish Ron was still around. I went through the same experience he did on the diet, I found out I was a warrior in the end and now feel just fine.  My blood sugar was out of whack. Well take care Ron, hope your doing good.  
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I believe Ron is still around....as Ron-A-non!
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You should PM him for encouragement.


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it disturbs me alot to read about him as a *guest user* we do love him as he is and wanted to have him as a normal memeber hey man be back soon here!!!!!


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He even had his picture up for a few days.  What a handsome man and he keeps hiding from us this way.


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Agh, GUEST USER?  Why would he cancel his forum account????  Ribbit, I hope we didn't scare him off with our backward conservative political thinking.
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I was a member back in 2004-2006 and I got deleted also. Perhaps they don't have the space to keep non active members? I don't notice this in other forums though..

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........ hope that won't become reality .... ...


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hey man called the icebear  or just Ron-A-non...where are you !!!
..... I aaaam missing Uuuu !!!


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