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italy,Since your secretor test results came back positive, then I'm willing to bet that's because it only detected the presence of type O antigen in your saliva.
I don't think it would've given you a positive result if you were any other blood type but A.
And, yes, in just the day or two that I started changing things and taking the chondroitin and other supplements for A and the Teacher type, I'm already feeling noticeably better.


I'll take your word for what you said about my secretor status       still all over my head sorry.
So glad to hear you are feeling better. Must be quite a relief for you!  



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italy,

I know you say you'll take my word for it, but let me try to explain it a bit clearer:

To be a secretor means that, whatever your blood type is, it exists in the form of like little hairs growing off your cells... just like, say, dog hair grows on dogs.

Well, most breeds of dog shed their hair, right?  But a small number of breeds don't, right?

Well, in the same way, most people's cells shed their antigen off into the surrounding body fluids, but a small percentage don't.  

And, so, whatever blood type hairs are growing off your cells, if you shed them off into your fluids -- such as your saliva -- then that means your body grows that antigen in the first place, right?

So if it's detectable in your saliva, that means you grow it from your cells in the first place, so that means that, whatever that detectable blood type antigen is, it's being produced in you, period.

If you couldn't detect it in your body fluids, such as your saliva, then you could still wonder whether it's possibly there but you just don't shed it.  BUT, since you shed it into your saliva (and we know that because your lab results confirmed that it was present in your saliva sample that you sent off in the past), then you definitely make it in the first place, and so it's your blood type antigen.

Capisce?  
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Wow, Ron.  BIG doings in Icebear Central!  I'm glad you went on your "lark" and took the test, and then confirmed it by running the test again.  That is a huge shock, no doubt, yet knowledge is power.  It will probably be amazing, results-wise, when you shift your diet to the right one for your real type.  And I wouldn't worry too much about the fact that you've been on the wrong diet for a while, because all the D'Adamo diets are pure, nutrient-dense, whole foods diets, full of life and free of chemicals, etc.  While of course a customized diet for your type is ideal and profoundly health bestowing, you were still worlds ahead of those on the SAD (Standard American Diet).  I just spent a long weekend immersed in what we students of cultural anthropology would call a "field study", embedded with my family, who are either on the SAD or are on some extreme version of it, because I simply can't believe that the way they eat is even standard, but anyway, you were worlds and worlds above where many people are, dietwise in America.  You were eating, like I said, PURE, whole, chi-infused, healthy foods.  And now that you know your type, things are going to get even SO much better, for you, Ron.  I'm really happy for you!
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...the "D" pool clumped a little

This probably means that you have a "Weak D", meaning that you are Rh positive, but only slightly so.  Interesting.

...Okay, off you go to get some fish oil, duuude.  Congrats again on learning your true type and keep us posting on all the positive changes and transformations that start happening, health-wise, because you know they are a'comin'!



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Teacher usurps secretor/non-secretor, but it'd still be interesting to see if you are indeed a secretor? Woah!

Thanks for sharing!  I feel we used to question new people's supposed blood types a lot....and I think that's a good position to maintain.

p.s.  Ron, and all, remember how hard it was to get 3 ml of saliva into that 5 ml tube?  Well, if you said you didn't know your blood type, they'd need 15 ml of saliva instead!  They save your trouble, by requiring your blood type.  They only check for the type you list, so if your blood type is listed wrong, then your secretor type is still unknown.  

p.s.  For Type AB saliva test, do they just pick one or do they look fro both in the sample?  That'd be interesting to know!  If you are an AB, can you secrete one without secreting the other one?  I heard a theory that levels of A and levels of B changes in the blood....sometimes more B and sometimes more A.  



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Everyone who is a secretor secretes H (O) antigens. I don't know what the sensitivity is of the method being used by GSL, but the anti H lectin is used to detect H antigens. A2 will secrete more H antigens than any of the other ABO types except O.


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When I was a kid, my blood was tested several times because both my parents were positive and I was O neg.  My ex is an AB+ and both my kids were jaundiced as babies and had to be tested.  Not only did we have the +/- incompatibility, be also had ABO incompatibility which my Dr. actually said sometimes offsets one another.  In any case, they both had to stay in the hospital for an extra day or so under the billie lights.  When I brought the younger one home, I remember being told to put him in front of a sunny window!

Ron, it's a good thing that you found out.  Hopefully it will the the thing that makes everything click and you'll feel a lot better!
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Ron, thanks for taking the time to explain what I didn't understand. And may I just say.........what a great explanation!!!   



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p.s.  For Type AB saliva test, do they just pick one or do they look fro both in the sample?  That'd be interesting to know!  If you are an AB, can you secrete one without secreting the other one?  I heard a theory that levels of A and levels of B changes in the blood....sometimes more B and sometimes more A.


I would think both anti A and anti B are used for the neutralization technique. In an AABB method, anti A, anti B, and the anti H lectin Ulex europeus(sp) are used. Saliva is incubated with the antiserums and then type, A, B and O cells are used to detect agglutination. A lack of agglutination means the antibody has been neutralized by the presence of ABH antigens in the saliva.

So an O secretor would have these results, inhibition with anti H, but no inhibition with anti A and anti B. An A secretor would show inhibition with anti A and anti H but not anti B. Type B secretors will show inhibition with anti B and anti H but not anti A. An AB secretor will show inhibition with all three. Agglutination will occur in all three antiserums if one is a non-secretor,therefore ABO group cannot be determined. Saliva testing for ABH secretor status is another way to determine ABO group, but it is only valid if one is a secretor.


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Always great to do "best two out of three" tests right?  

Ron you'd make an awesome testimonial for Dr. D if he did a infomercial!  
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Ron you'd make an awesome testimonial for Dr. D if he did a infomercial!  


as would Rodney.
My sister in law was doing BTD for a while, then stopped. Turns out she thought she was AB and she's A. I encouraged her to do the secretor test since there are so many changes between status.



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Rodney? I must know Rodney's story..is there a thread?   Do tell....
We'll add your sis in law to Dr. D's guest list..
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Rodney? I must know Rodney's story..is there a thread?   Do tell....


Rodney thought he was an O, turned out he's an AB. (tho I thought all this time, he thought he was an A before)  ........this O info is in post #7 of this thread. As w/ Ron, it made a huge dif for him, as you can imagine.



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Rodney thought he was an O, turned out he's an AB. (tho I thought all this time, he thought he was an A before)  ........this O info is in post #7 of this thread. As w/ Ron, it made a huge dif for him, as you can imagine.


Wow! that is awesome! Rodney and Ron Dr. D's two main testimonials!!

We're all testimonials right?!!!  
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We're all testimonials right?!!!  


true!!  

Here's Rodney's testimonial...........he thought he was a B before and eating as such........ me thinks he needs some gingko     Me too, I forgot to post the link

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-storybd/m-1172334449/



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While of course a customized diet for your type is ideal and profoundly health bestowing, you were still worlds ahead of those on the SAD (Standard American Diet).  I just spent a long weekend immersed in what we students of cultural anthropology would call a "field study", embedded with my family, who are either on the SAD or are on some extreme version of it, because I simply can't believe that the way they eat is even standard, but anyway, you were worlds and worlds above where many people are, dietwise in America.

Thanks, PT.  I love that acronym, "SAD".   How apt.  Hahahahaha

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Ron you'd make an awesome testimonial for Dr. D if he did a infomercial!  

Yeah; probably.  Completely unwittingly, I made myself a case study.

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Ron, thanks for taking the time to explain what I didn't understand. And may I just say.........what a great explanation!!!  

You're welcome, and I'm glad it helped.  But you have to realize that it's in my blood:  I'm a Teacher.

  
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Thanks, everybody... It has totally changed my outlook on everything now.  I'm still reeling from it, to be frank.


The only thing that remains for me to know now, is whether or not I can still be a non-secretor... since, when Great Smokey Labs sent back my results, they already had "Type O" on them.  So, clearly, I must've indicated beforehand what my blood type was.  And, if they were only testing for the presence of "O" antigen in my saliva, then there might've actually been "A" antigen there, and I'm a regular secretor.

(I personally doubt that, though, because I've always had all these problems with allergies and oversensitivity.)

The only thing I will say, is that I will probably miss eating red meat.  I really do think it's what stopped my diarrhea.  


Funny you say that, about having allergies and oversensitivity.  I have both and am a secretor.  BTW: I love being a Teacher, and if you need anything, please feel free to PM me.  Yea!  Ron's one of us!


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As is usually the case with me, I will probably serve as some exemplar of worst-case scenario in future cautions to new arrivals to BTD.


Who's signature said, "If you can't be a good example, you must be a horrible warning"? (or something to that effect)
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true!!  
Here's Rodney's testimonial...........he thought he was a B before and eating as such........ me thinks he needs some gingko     Me too, I forgot to post the link
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-storybd/m-1172334449/


OMG! That was a great testimonial..Poor Rodney! I can't tolerate cayenne either..I would have been dying from it too!
Thanks IB!

Ron, wouldn't it be interesting if you turn out to be a Warrior? The saga continues...  



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WOW~

Is the moral to this story  "never trust your mother?"    

Welcome to type A world and I hope you're soon feeling your best-est~


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Well, actually, I just talked to my mother today... She says that it was one of my doctors who told me that I was an "O", after I had a blood test as a teenager.

I don't blame her... She's just relaying information which she may or may not have heard correctly.
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well dearest Ron, what is the learning effect out of this,....never believe peoples speeches when it comes to the form of * I believe...or I think....* but get to know by testing..... and even here it may come out wrong as Rodney's testimonial is the best proof  
endeffect: after a certain time of no success on a diet...go for changements and listen to your bellyfeelings....body tells his own stories....in its own but handsome manner


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Isa,

You're right...
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