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claydaddy
Wednesday, November 1, 2006, 6:54pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I had just made a delivery in a small town in middle Tennessee and I parked my 53 footer at the end of the parking lot of a Walmart (can I say that here?)  to buy some almonds to eat while driving.  At the very front  to the left of the entrance is the BAKERY section with the PLAIN CAKE DONUTS the first item.  Now this is cruel!! and maybe a little unjust.  Now I always thought that IF your body craved something, then your body needed it....right!!!  I guess I'm suppose to say WRONG!! here.  Well I do love plain and powdered cake donuts and I do still crave them and probably always will.  If I ever fall off this wagon you can bet I'll land on whole sack of plain cake donuts.   BUT the upside of not stopping in the bakery  is that I've lost another half pound of FAT this week  and my B/S it still normal,  AMEN !!.  I guess I could go through the other entrance and bypass the bakery and not have to go through this every time.  
We have also dropped the Splenda this week and went with Stevia, thanks to you folks here in the fourm.  This is good!!   Hope you-all have a great week.   clay
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Hi clay,

You are doing great; it appears that you passed your temptation test in the parking lot.  I think your food cravings will decrease and perhaps your cravings will change and gravitate towards other food items as you continue on this lifestyle.  Take one day at a time.

And congratulations for halting your use of Splenda.  

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Note that if you are a type O non-secretor that stevia is an avoid.


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claydaddy, cravings are complex animals and that is an understatement.  Sometimes we do indeed crave what we need but, often, the message our body is really sending us gets garbled up so when the body is saying "can you please send in some more PROTEIN?", for example, by the time you "hear" it, the message is "Eat donut!  Eat donut NOW!"

There are lots of great threads on the complex inner workings of cravings in the blood type diet message board archives, if you ever want to wade through them via a search for key words like "cravings".

Basically the bottom line for O's is, when you crave refined carbohydrates like donuts, it is because your blood sugar is not steady at that moment--it is crashing and burning for whatever reason(s)--and the best thing to do in that situation (although every fiber of your being is going to be SCREAMING at you to give in and eat that donut) is to eat PROTEIN, ideally bundled with omega-3 fats, such combo as one finds in wild salmon, for instance.  I find that the following tips really help me with carb cravings and, trust me, claydaddy, this advice comes from hard-won experience.  It really took a village (a BTD village) to help me learn how to deal with cravings so that they don't totally derail me, and it did take me several years into the diet, and very rarely I still get derailed, but for the most part, I can nip it in the bud and get myself back in the groove by employing the following:

1.  Crave carbs = eat protein.

You won't want protein.  You won't want it at all.  Eat it anyway.  Beneficials like beef and lamb are excellent, but also richly-oiled cold water fish like the neutral salmon (a.k.a., the artist formerly known as an O beneficial) or the beneficial sardine are beyond excellent, as they contain omega-3 in addition to the protein.  All this helps with your seratonin and your blood sugar and it is all good, soooooooo good, so get that protein into you.  Better than taking it when you crave carbs is to keep a steady stream in your system before you crave carbs, namely, try to start your day with some protein, and then eat some at every meal or nearly every meal.  It is especially important to ingest protein with any refined carbs you might choose to eat, so, for example, if you had some 100% rye w/flaxseed toast, have some sardine or tuna salad with it.

2.  Do NOT eat wheat or corn syrup.

These two O avoids in particular trigger cravings.

3.  Believe it or not, if you will eat a half or whole fresh grapefruit when craving carbs, it will stop it in its tracks.  Grapefruit is great for IMMEDIATE cessation of carb cravings.  Salmon is great for getting you back on track within a few hours and keeping you there, but grapefruit will somehow immediately get you feeling like, why did I want that donut again?

Finally, sometimes it just takes time and experience on the diet to learn what works for you as a unique individual in terms of preventing and "treating" cravings.  Each one of us must learn what keeps our own blood sugar steady, our seratonin in fine fettle, and our compass pointing towards true north.  Within the already-customized framework of the BTD, each one of us must tweak further until we get it just so for us.

Don't hesitate to post any struggles you have with cravings, including experiences, triumphs, slip and falls, etc.  I know for me, I benefited more than I can say from everyone else's wisdom on the subject.  For example, it took a good few years of everyone consistently telling me "eat protein when you crave carbs" for me to finally get it *lol*!


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Hi Claydaddy, boy do I feel your pain   the first 2 months (well, we are on month 3 right now) I hated walking past the bakery, and even worse was the dairy isle     I felt so alone   so sad to have to walk by all the wonderful cheeses and yogurts and yummy silk soylatte's Oh My!! Then I got mad for a couple of weeks   shopping is just not fun when you have to endure the "death of avoids" march   But it is sooooooo worth it   Now I just look at the stuff as poison and feel sorry for the folks who are loading their carts with wheat and corn based "food"
It is so nice to read your posts.  Great job on transitioning!!
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Cravings definitely subside, and you may not have to struggle with that cake donut demon as long as you think.  It's really just a chemical signal, and not a real relationship after all!  lol
I agree with Pep Twist about the true nature of the craving, and suggest that you keep some canned salmon in your truck for those emergency attacks.  Make sure it is wild salmon!  

Add it to your box of almonds!  



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Clay!! You are so awesome!!  Those darn donuts are so hard to resist and then so hard to go over if you cave.     Keep up the good 'work'. If you hear that donut calling your name, just turn your hearing aid down and put your blinders on. Tunnel vision, just tunnel vision, do not look straight at the donuts.  Being good is soooo worth it,isn't it?    And I've always heard your body craves what you're allergic to. Don't know what's right or if there is a "right".   Who knows.



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Quoted from pkarmeier
And I've always heard your body craves what you're allergic to. Don't know what's right or if there is a "right".   Who knows.


Hey Pat...is that why we FEEL so awful afterwards because it's an AVOID???  


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Hey Pat...is that why we FEEL so awful afterwards because it's an AVOID???  


I'm not Pat, but I'll pipe in "YOU BETCHA"

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I thank everyone for your response on what I'm craving.  My over-all sugar cravings are down. I may have encouraged the 'donut demon' by going by and looking at 'them',  ghee do you think!!!! !
One more AMAZING thing.    In my very first post I mentioned about the annoying hic-cups after meals, the next day after switching from Splenda to Stevia, the hic-cups quit, I mean they came to a screeching halt.  Now is this a coincidence or was splenda giving me hic-cups.  Is this crazy or what.  This  has been quite a ride for a truck driver.
I'll try to keep it between the lines     clay
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One more AMAZING thing.    In my very first post I mentioned about the annoying hic-cups after meals, the next day after switching from Splenda to Stevia, the hic-cups quit, I mean they came to a screeching halt.  Now is this a coincidence or was splenda giving me hic-cups.

Well, Splenda is nasty stuff, very tinkered-with and manmade and that is usually not a good thing, especially when it comes to food.  With food, the closer to nature, the better (actually, with most things, not just food).  From the timing of the hiccups stopping, it sounds like they were Splenda-related, yet it could have been a combo of aspects of your previous diet causing the hiccups and the BTD itself could have taken care of it and it just happened to kick in the day after you gave up the Splenda.  Hard to know.  That is the thing about making positive changes, I find:  I tend to do several good things at once, so it is sometimes hard to tell what any given positive result is from, but hey, the bottom line is that the little suckers (a.k.a., your hiccups) are GONE and YAY!!! *doing happy dance*
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Is this crazy or what.  This  has been quite a ride for a truck driver.

It just keeps getting better, claydaddy, so fasten your seatbelt!


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Just a quick insert to Clay's donut obsession.  (I'm his wife of 37 years).   He is so easily influenced by seeing food. TV commercials are just 'killer' for him.  Whatever he sees, he wants!!  I think the key to his donut dilemma is to use the other door at Walmart.  He knows where the bakery dept is, so now, he just needs to A-void it.  

He once got into a donut eating contest when we were living in Florida.  The guys he worked with made a regular stop at a little donut shop, so they were all well known by the employees.  Someone, don't  remember if it was the waitress or who, but she told Clay if you can eat a dozen donuts, I'll pay for them.  Wellllll.... he was up to her challenge!!!    

So you see, donuts and Clay have a very long romance going.   It isn't really a craving like you have to have donuts. It's just a learned behavior with lots of emotional connections in the mix.  At least that's how I see it.  Donuts are a warm, fuzzy feeling and a comfort to him.  It's like finding an old friend everytime he sees a donut.  And who wants to lose an old friend??   But, it's time to make some new friends, sweetie!   ( o :

Yours through thick and thin - Diann
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there must be spelt donuts in WF, to help him transition perhaps?


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there must be spelt donuts in WF, to help him transition perhaps?


Lola,

I purchased a donut baking pan and am looking for some good recipes using the approved flour (spelt).  Hopefully I will be able to make something that will help satisfy that desire.  I even saw a recipe for tofu donuts!   I don't think that would get it  .  

Of course, the really good cake donuts have all those trans-fats in them. Some of them are actually made with what  is called "trough grease".  (Don't let your mind stay there too long!)   Without that kind of shortening, you don't get the "proper' cake donut, you know?  

BTW, what  is WF??   Is it a specialty food store of some sort?   I'm not familiar with it.

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WF = Whole Foods, a big chain natural food store



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WF is Whole Foods, a grocery store that sells a lot of organic and health foods.  My nephew and a lot of other people call it Whole Paycheck because the food is expensive but it is a wonderful source for BTD compliant foods both organic and not.  They sell NO transfat items and offer lots of things like Ezekiel and manna breads, spelt breads,  even pretzels and the most beautiful produce you'll ever see!  It's a whole new experience shopping there.  There are other chains that are similar like Wild Oats and to some extent Trader Joes.
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Just did a search and there is a WF opening in Nashville in summer, 2007.  We are about 35 miles from Nashville.
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There are most likely quite a number of natural foods stores already in Nashville.  I lived there in the late '60's and even then, we had good natural food available.



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Check out the Wild Oats store in Franklin, TN.


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There are most likely quite a number of natural foods stores already in Nashville.  I lived there in the late '60's and even then, we had good natural food available.


Going into Nashville is an avoid for me.  Ha Ha    We live in Portland (you probably know where that is).   I try to stay close to home when possible.  But, we will check out the new WF when it opens.  White House TN is closest to us and they have a nice health food store.  Also a new very large Kroger Store that carries Ezekiel Bread and stevia along with all the type appropriate flours.  Pretty nice place.

Thanks for all the great info.  We really appreciate it.
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Check out the Wild Oats store in Franklin, TN.


Hey, do they have donuts??   Just kidding!!  

I see you are in Huntsville, AL.  You're practically a neighbor . . .  except we live in the farthest northern edge of TN.  Spitting distance from the KY state line!  We have been here 5 years after moving from Indy after moving from Florida . . .  
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Hey, do they have donuts??   Just kidding!!  

I have never been in the Wild Oats in Franklin, or anywhere else.



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Doughnuts are tough to kick if you like 'em a lot. I do. And I live right across the street from a Dunkin Donuts. Fortunately, trying to cross the street here is a life-altering (and potentially life-taking!) experience, so I resist the temptation to get a box of DD's best by thinking that if crossing the street won't kill me, the doughnuts will for sure!

In my experience, as you get used to the O food plan your tastes will change and the cravings you're going through will fade. For now, if you do end up needing something to take the place of a doughnut try some toasted Ezekiel cinnamon raisin bread spread with walnut butter, or a slice of manna bread. It's obviously not a doughnut, but it's an acceptable substitute, and the nut protein will help curb the craving for starch. Eventually you can change over to some fresh fruit or trail mix, or whatever compliant snack you like. Take your time and enjoy the transition. It's really fun to feel how you're beginning to like fresh live foods instead of stuff with a shelf life of 500 years.

I used to have cinnamon rolls or doughnuts during morning break at work. Now I have an organic banana or apple or pear slices with walnut butter, and enjoy them just as much if not more than I ever did the rolls or doughnuts!

Hang in there claydaddy and Diann. You're doing great! Keep up the good work


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WF does have a donut in their freezer section. Fairly compliant but best avoided if at all possible, probably.  
Clay, so glad to hear your hiccups are GONE, gone, gone. No big surprise as Splenda is just pure cr*p, IMHO.     Congrats on first being WILLING to take a step in the direction of 'investigating' the cause and secondly on finding it.    (my DH drinks Diet Coke and wonders why he feels bad.     Knows aspartame is   , but......)
It is amazing how simple the solution to some of our problems is, isn't it.  

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WF...... the most beautiful produce you'll ever see!  It's a whole new experience shopping there.  There are other chains that are similar like Wild Oats and to some extent Trader Joes.

I have to totally agree about this! and the most organic produce I've ever seen anywhere, but the biggest selection overall - organic and conventional.   Wild Oats IMO is just so-so compared and TJ's has some good buys, but to me their produce and meat, well the look just doesn't cut it for me. Doesn't quite look fresh. But that's just my opinion, there are many here who love TJ.  I do have to say I've seen some already prepared frozen foods that are fairly compliant.  




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Doughnuts are tough to kick if you like 'em a lot. I do. And I live right across the street from a Dunkin Donuts. Fortunately, trying to cross the street here is a life-altering (and potentially life-taking!) experience, so I resist the temptation to get a box of DD's best by thinking that if crossing the street won't kill me, the doughnuts will for sure!



Hey Brighid did you see the commercial about the jogger getting up before dawn, jogging down the sidewalk, jogged across the street and got hit by a bottled water delivery truck? maybe he should have stopped and got him a DD and it would have delayed him enough to miss the delivery truck
When I got home from work last night there were 3 home made cake doughnuts on a dish by  the stove so I HAD to try one. It was pretty good,  Diann had made them out of Spelt flour with Ginger instead of Nutmeg. They needed just a tad more Stevia but otherwise very tasty. Now I'm missing my coffee
We are leaving for Indy this AM for the weekend.  This will be our first away from home experience on the BTD, this should be interesting.
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