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Poly
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So much has been going on here. Great thread!

Quoted from lola
poly,
if you followed the frequency values given for our type, regarding carbs, surely your weight would not fluctuate! )
it s all in the quantity!! same with fruit and legumes........sad but true! (


I know I know! You got me completely there lola! *hides in shame*

I HAVE been overdoing the carbs. When I stopped Atkins and started BTD I kept on losing weight and I got a little scared and started eating more carbs to stop the weightloss. I guess I got a little carried away, because now I have difficulties controlling my appetite on carbs - especially rye bread and chocolate. I rarely eat avoids, but too much is still too much...

Btw, I'm 5'7'' and weigh 151 lbs (My goal weight was 143 lbs)

Quoted from EquiPro
One thing that really hit me in the book "Mastering Leptin" (where the 5 rules below came from ) was when they said, "NEVER let doctors remove anything from your body, and do everything that you can to avoid having them do so".


That's very interesting, EquiP. That WOE is fascinating. I have only one problem, and that's the "protein in the morning"-thing. In contrary to how I am for the rest of the day, I'm a VERY picky eater in the morning. I can't eat eggs in the morning. They make me gag. And I don't have time or the energy for frying meat in the morning. Not to mention protein-shakes! Ick! I so love my oatmeal with (yes, Mystic) soy- or rice-milk (and cane-sugar ). I know I know - high carbs big time - but I so missed oat meal while doing Atkins, so I was thrilled that I was allowed to have them on BTD. (And I know Dr. D says not to eat oatmeal if you want to lose weight... )

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Hi Poly,
If you are comfortable with how you are I wouldn't worry about a thing,


How sweet of you! Well, I do enjoy having a little more to fill in my bra, I must admit! I lost the weight all over, but mostly around the middle, my stomach, my arms and chest - my enormous butt will always be enormous, and my hips always be big. Only liposuction would do any difference there, and that I would NEVER dare. Eep! I think you're doing right in not having that surgery. That's really scary, and when you're losing weight without it, then that's absolutely the best way to do it. God bless YOU!

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And what does the (Poly, Tag, you're it!) mean?


Heh, that's a little silly thing MissileCop and I have going... When I came here some months ago, I instantly fell in love with one of MissileCop's posts. I told him so, and posted a for him. Missile did so as if he got scared of the crazy Danish woman stalking him and "ran away from me", and ever since MissileCop and I sometimes play "tag" and chase each other around throwing kisses at each other. Heh, we're just like silly kids in a school yard!


Poly

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Hi Poly,
   Have you ever tried the low carb soy milk by 8th Continet, it is really good. I have to kept the carb down a little because of diabetes and it has been a great help for me.

   I will not have the surgery and when the surgeon got hold of me and I explained what was wrong with my liver then he agreed that is not a good idea, so I asked him to explain it to my doctor so she will not bug me anymore and he wrote her a letter today. Guess that should take care of it and if it does not I will find a new doctor even though I don't like looking for them.

  Could wheat be stopping my weight loss ? I just found out there is wheat in the soy sauce that I have been using and after looking for awhile in the store got help and found one that does not. I hope switching will help.

   Keep up the good work.
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That is cute Poly!!! Another question!! How do you get the RH neg below your Avatar like others have???? Help?
Thanks
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Congratulations Mystic!
What a great story...your weight loss, cholesterol...all of it! Great that your hubby likes the foods too.....bonus!
Over time I bet that your pains will start to diminish too, with the increased energy I am sure you probalby don't notice the pain "as much" as you used to.
You must be soooooooo happy!!!! Great work!
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Hey way cool I have a colored sash or belt "its not white anymore"  and they changed the words above it! Gosh, lol I feel like I graduated to something! . I love this site!!! Thank you Sasha!!! I am convinced I could not have done it w/out this book! I am just learning about all the other stuff you all know about. I just found this site a couple of days ago. Hubby is thinking about starting on the diet to now. Blessed be!
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Quoted from ELCarrier2005
Have you ever tried the low carb soy milk by 8th Continet, it is really good.


Sorry to tell you this, but 8th Continent soymilk has carrageenan in it too.
http://www.8thcontinent.com/our_soymilks/light.asp

You might want to consider switching to a brand and variety that doesn't have it in the ingredients list.


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Quoted from ironwood55


Sorry to tell you this, but 8th Continent soymilk has carrageenan in it too.
http://www.8thcontinent.com/our_soymilks/light.asp

You might want to consider switching to a brand and variety that doesn't have it in the ingredients list.




Hmmm that's helpful about the soy milk. I never knew there was a dif. between any of them except for taste really. I don't drink soy milk, but I buy it for the hubby on my insistance, think he is lactose intolerant, not sure, but the big black circles under his eyes have disappeared for good, I'm sure it helps with his IBS as well.
I don't drink any milk at all except half a splash in my one cup of coffee I have a day in the morning, soy does not work well in coffee, so just might start going black now... I'd like to try drinking soy milk so I can have cereal, these suggestions have been great, will look for those brands and check out the link you sent.
Thanks!
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Quoted from Mystic
That is cute Poly!!! Another question!! How do you get the RH neg below your Avatar like others have???? Help?
Thanks


Click on the button: member center in the upper right of the site. Go to the menu on the left and click on Profile Information. At the bottom you'll se a box that says Personal Message, and there you can write RH, location (like I have) or anything else you like. Hope that helped!

ETA: Oh I see you already found that out. Great!

Quoted from Mystic
I feel like I graduated to something!


Heh, you did! You posted 10 posts and got promoted!

You can read about the belt-system here...


Poly

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Quoted from Poly


That's very interesting, EquiP. That WOE is fascinating. I have only one problem, and that's the "protein in the morning"-thing. In contrary to how I am for the rest of the day, I'm a VERY picky eater in the morning. I can't eat eggs in the morning. They make me gag. And I don't have time or the energy for frying meat in the morning. Not to mention protein-shakes! Ick! I so love my oatmeal with (yes, Mystic) soy- or rice-milk (and cane-sugar ). I know I know - high carbs big time - but I so missed oat meal while doing Atkins, so I was thrilled that I was allowed to have them on BTD. (And I know Dr. D says not to eat oatmeal if you want to lose weight... )


From the book "Mastering Leptin" by Richards and Richards:

"A high-carbohydrate breakfast such as juice, cereal, waffles, pancakes, or bagels does not enhance metabolic rate.  It may trigger a problem with insulin resistance as a lot of insulin is released in reesponse to the carbohydraets, causing energy fluctuations and sugar craving during the day.  High glycemic carbohydrates can shift normal leptin release earier in the day.  If there is leptin resistance [and most of us who are overwheight have this], this fuels overeating throughout the day and especially at night.

The two signs of a poor breakfast are:

1) Being unable to make it five hours to lunch without food cravings or energy crashing
2) Being more prone to leptin resistance later that afternoon or evening.  This sets in motion strong food cravings resulting in poor eating habits.

A high-protein breakfast helps metabolism turn on and stabilizes hypoglycemia or low blood sugar reactions later in the day.  Protein enhances the reliease of glucagon, helping to blunt the excess insulin response that causes insulin resustance."

more:

"Soy protein is potentially problematic, especially if a person is consuming soy protein drinks.  It may lower thyroid function in many individuals."

and:

Rule 4 (protein at breakfast) becomes more imporant the older a person becomes.  This is because there is less ability to tolerate stress."

finally:

One essential principle is to eat enough protein to help the liver stay metabolically active.

Eating a solid protein breakfast provides a stable base for energy, mood, and blood sugar throughout the day and evening.  It helps keep the body in a calorie-burning mode, and mode that can burn fat for feul.  When energy crashes during the day, frequently due to a lacking breakfast, then metabolism and weight loss come to a grinding hault.

A great number of metabolic problems can be solved or avoided by eating a breakfast that consists of ample protein."

Just [breakfast] food for thought!

Poly, why not do what I do?  I hard boil 3-4 dozen organic eggs at at time (put them in water, bring it to a boil, let them boil for 20 minutes then immediately put them in icewater until cold) and keep them in the fridge at all time.  My breakfast ALWAYS starts with 1 whole hardboiled egg with sea salt and 1 extra hard-boiled egg white.  Then, no matter what else I eat, I have that protein to kick it off.

Another option is to have some sliced roast beef on hand and just have a few pieces of that.

"


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Okay Equipro, I've printed your last message.
I've checked the index on what I eat in the morning.
Seems like my pecan nuts, walnuts, oatmeal and soymilk have a fair amount of protein. But I read soymilk is bad for the thyroid. So I could replace that with Rice milk but then it has less protein. And I should take out the raisins. They are more carbs then anything else.

Fruit and veggies have almost no protein so I won't eat that in the morning. The only thing I can't do is eat chicken or fish in the morning. So I guess my breakfast is filled with enough protein (or is it?? I can easily make it to lunch without cravings, so I don't have a poor breakfast......   weeeeeeee.......

I was thinking adding barley to my breakfast it has more protein then oatmeal.

I can try to eat an egg with my breakfast.

I can also eat an egg with lunch. I have rye bread for lunch. I added a few pecan nuts a few times with my lunch and I felt great. Maybe I should do that more often?

I have chicken or fish for dinner with my veggies and salad.

Does that take me in the right direction?

Leaves me just one question. When do I eat my fruit?
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This book really doesn't get into all that.  I pretty much eat fruit when I want it.  Even though you are an A, what they are trying to get at in the book is to eat more protein than other things at breakfast and then, after that, eat no more starch (portion wise) than protein at any other meal.

Why don't you add an egg to your breakfast?

The rest of the time they just recommend "eyeballing" portions and trying to keep the starch down to equal or less than the protein consumed.  In other words, if you eat a hand-sized piece of fish at dinner, try to not eat more than the same SIZE of starch at that meal.


They take NO consideration in for bloodtype, so I have added that in for myself.  As an A, you might do more plant-based protein than would I.

In this book, timing is the most important thing, followed by emphasis on protein and cutting back on portions overall.


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Oy....... so much to learn. My head is spinning.
Starch, that's in potatoes I assume? Also in rice. How do I know if something has starch?
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OOOhhhhhh That is a gooood Question I am waiting for the answer to that one to!!!!!!
Although, I don't eat potatoes because the book says I should not, but I have eaten Jasmine rice and Basmati rice off and on. The problem I have now, is I get full on about 5-6 bites of food at one sitting. And since I have an Ileostomy I digest my food very fast & its gone. So I have to eat several small meals a day or I get hypoglycemic. I have Vertigo anyway, I hate that feeling of lightheadedness!!!!  Since I have been on this diet, I have gotten to where I am now I physically can not eat unless I am hungry. I have to drink liquids all day 24/7 as staying hydrated is extremely important to my living (w/this ostomy). I know its important for the diet but but I have to drink ten times more. I know on this diet they want you to eat "3 meals a day" but I can't do it.
Again I am curious about that question above though! And sorry for rambling on again!!! Grrrr!  

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Starch is, well, starchy:
rice, risotto
corn, maze, masa
potato - regular, sweet, yam, parsnip, etc
breads - all of them
any type of pasta
any and all cereals, musli, tapioca
almost all thickeners (a few are seaweed based)
cookies, pie crust, doughnuts, cakes, etc.
beans
peas
cooked carrots

basically, all grain, legumes, root veggies and anything made with those things.


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In LR4YT type As are recommended to eat 6 meals a day. There are a lot of other good recomendations too.

Don't forget that excess cortisol is a big issue in weight loss/gain in type As.


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Starch is, well, starchy:
rice, risotto
corn, maze, masa
potato - regular, sweet, yam, parsnip, etc
breads - all of them
any type of pasta
any and all cereals, musli, tapioca
almost all thickeners (a few are seaweed based)
cookies, pie crust, doughnuts, cakes, etc.
beans
peas
cooked carrots

basically, all grain, legumes, root veggies and anything made with those things.


So basically I can eat anything a rabbit eats?????  
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Thank you Don for your reply! And I am so glad to know something isn't wrong with me about the 5 or 6 meals a day. My husband says I eat like a bird now.... But, I really do eat until I am full. I can't stuff in, what your just not hungry for. I guess my tummy has shrunk. Its really weird to....I use to really craved so bad ... choc., and cake and cookies all carbs, but I don't every think about them at all anymore. Why is that???? I mean I was bad before! I haven't had candy or soda, hell I don't even drink alcohol anymore when we go out! I use to always have dessert after dinner when we went out for dinner. Never do anymore. And I don't even think about having it??? How did I change so differently like that in 10 months. My habits are sooooo different now that I think about it and I don't even miss the old ones at all. At one time, I felt I could never stop eating. That I couldn't help myself. It all tasted so good. Now I just can't even imagine that happening to me. Sorry to ramble again but this all just surfaced as I was typing for the first time. Well Thanks Doc, can I lay on the couch now?....same time next week? I know...I know...my hour is up..!

PS: Oh Yea-----> I know Cortisol is a hormone but, how does it effect me as "A" and how do I control it with food or diet Don??????

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Cortisol is addressed extensively in "Mastering Leptin".  Actually, after I read the book, I sent an e.mail to Dr. D about it, wondering about his thoughts on the whole thing.  I haven't heard anything from him about it.

I don't know how A's are affected - BT is not taken into account in this book.  However, it might be worth picking it up and reading it.  Lots of info about biofeedback systems.


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Thank you SO much for yout thorough replies, EquiPro!

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The rest of the time they just recommend "eyeballing" portions and trying to keep the starch down to equal or less than the protein consumed. In other words, if you eat a hand-sized piece of fish at dinner, try to not eat more than the same SIZE of starch at that meal..


I can still eat as many not-starchy vegetables I like, right? (Within reason of course )

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2) Eat 3 meals per day. No snacks. At least 4-5 hours between each meal.


Does fruit apply as a "snack"? (I'm not a big fruit-lover, but I enjoy a bit of fruit now and then)

I really need to buy this book. It's higly interesting!


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Mystic, What BTD books have you read? If you have not read LR4YT I recommend that you get it and read it. It is a great book and will explain the different stress hormone issues related to the different blood types.  The Encyclopedia is good too and there is also a lot of information on Dr. D's website.

http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/store3/template2/cortiguard.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/mind/mind9.htm

It sounds like you are doing great with your diet. Certainly avoiding all that sweet junk food is good for your cortisol levels.

Based on what I know about you so far I also think you must do a great job with the emotional side of the stress/cortisol control equation.

If you want and feel like you need to do more to control your cortisol levels maybe you could look into some breathing exercises, easy forms of yoga, or meditation.
ALTERNATE NOSTRIL BREATHING
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/mind/mind2.htm


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I haven't read the leptin diet book, but a high carb meal is not expected to last 4 to 5 hours whether you have a leptin problem or not.  If you're going to eat high carb, and that's closer to the typical A diet, you need to eat small frequent meals to keep blood sugar level.  The more protein and fat you add to a meal, the longer you can go in between.  That's why a balanced meal is more satisfying for a longer period of time.  The carbs enter the blood stream first, the proteins take longer, the fats take the longest.  If you have all three in one meal it's kind of a slow release process.  That's great for Type O that can handle the protein and fat, but As might not be able to digest it all without adding to a cholesterol problem.  If you are an A and want to try the leptin way or other high protein diets, I'd just suggest you monitor your blood lipids.  In the Diabetes Health Library book which also pertains to management of obesity, Dr. D recommends 4 to 5 meals or snacks for all groups.  You do have to find your own way though.


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Thank you Don for your reply!!!   You are extremely interesting to listen to! So this book is just called "LR4YT" and thats it..right? I will get for sure! Being an "A" you know as well as I do....but I guess EquiPro does not quite understand that I do not eat meat, and I like my oats, get in the way of my coffee and my granola in the morning and your in trouble bud!!! And no "they do not have Wheat in them". And again I "CAN NOT have "3" meals a day!!! Please stop telling me that. I can't do that. I can't help what that book says I will pass out during my day. I have to have 5-6 small meals period EquiPro. EquiPro...95 pds later your going to tell me its not going to work for me??? I don't mind learning new things any day of the week but come on here. !  I am sure that the Leptin Book is Wonderful and is going to help millions of people out there because not all of us are the same. What works for one, won't for another. I have to work with some of my existing health issues that were here before I started this diet. I'd like to be here to enjoy skinny me!  
Don I have only read the Eat right 4 your Type------>The Encyclopedia------->The Cookbook so far and I have the wallet card for A and the a very small skinny book for A's. Oh, last night I ordered a blood test for my hubby, 2 secretor tests, 2 radical tests to do on both of us. I figure I might as well check it all out, Right??? But I am really thrilled that my hubby wants in on this now!!!! Its so true ... real true happiness spreads everyone wants it! Ain't it grand! !
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Thank you Cheryl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LR4YT = Live Right 4 Your Type which is another one of Dr. D's books.  It has detailed information about secretor vs. non-secretor and stress hormone differences between the blood types.

http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/BTstore/BTSstore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=ED004

By the way I am not type A. Look at my avatar.  I am a red meat eating type O.


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Mystic, don't worry about the leptin way of eating as far a frequesncy is concerned.
I have to eat more meals, too.  Being a ravenous O can be a pain.  Lately, I've been eating too much Ezekiel bread because of the 'hungries'.  I set aside the Ezekiel for other reaosns & end up pigging it.  I have some set aside for stuffing.  Will it last!??  Back to the subject--frequesncy & portion size are very personal. I seem to have to eat at least 3,000 calories daily lately to stop the hunger, & I weigh around 135#.  Exercise & other factors help.  
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