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Victoria
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Bless your wonderful heart too, Sasha!  

Listen, why don't you get yourself a copy of Dr. D's Cancer book and start working those protocols, just in case.



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
Let me not pass you by in quest
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Sasha
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Bless your wonderful heart too, Sasha!  

Listen, why don't you get yourself a copy of Dr. D's Cancer book and start working those protocols, just in case.



I looked today at Chapters Book Store where I get all my books and it wasn't there nor was it in the database. I'll have to keep looking for it or try to get it ordered in.
I know I saw it on a list, internet, from a book... somewhere, now I can't find it.
Does anyone have the ISBN number for it? I'll call it in in as soon as I get that.
Thank you.  
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Sasha, there are a couple of blogger articles you need to check out, it will encourage you, it did me. See Suzanne Graham's Blog 11/06 "I Had A Plan"; Linda Wells Update 10/30, "I can't let go yet and singing." and Cassandra Dwight "Another Quick Update." Everyone has their challenges, it is good to read about them every so often, I love honesty and I see it so often on this site.


Hi, I read all those articles you suggested as well as many more! I also have been drinking the water big time, I'm enjoying that.
I haven't listened to the music one you sent yet..probably in a little while later on tonight. Thanks so much!
How are you doing? I hope things are going great for you.
I'm going to post a message shortly here tonight to you all, sorry it wasn't sooner but I seriously have been on the phone or out at HFS's and book stores, chiros, you name it. I set a side tonight to have some peaceful time for myself. Got the hubby going with a dvd, he's happy, the big type O dog is walked and fed...we're all good to go now.
Chat soon!  
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Sasha
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Hello friends   And I really mean that.
I seem to be feeling better today mentally and physically. I have stuck with the Arthritis Diet, cause that's all I know. I do have the regular Blood Type A Food and Beverage and Supplement LISTS handbook, I use it for shopping lots.
Anyhow, if you have been following, I started the BTD 2 weeks ago, I felt fantastic the first day! I could not believe it. I started the diet for Arthritis, because my Dr. said she was positive I had Spondylitis. The pain  and all the symptoms related to that. I have had this pain for going on 2 years really when I look back, and before that chronic every day type of back pain on and off, sometimes real bad ones where you can not walk, go to work, nothing. Just used chiros to help with that. The odd anti-inflamatory throughout this whole thing. (don't like to take prescription pills).
Anyways, I started the diet right away even before the tesy results came in. I have never felt so good, and not just my back, it was everything, my whole being!
I could not believe how well this diet was working.
Last Thursday I went to the Dr.'s to get my test results back...we were both shocked at how my blood work (testing for arthritis) was normal. I said to her that I had inflamation that very morning, so for sure it should have showed up in the blood work. She said yes it should have. Then.....she goes on to show me the written report of the Xrays. It reads:
                                          REPORT

LUMBAR SPINE

No comparison

Mild levoconvex lumbar spine curvature, this could represent mild scoliosis.

On the frontal file there appears to be sacralization of L5, with 4 lumbar type vertebral bodies seen.

Based on this assesment, there is mild narrowing at L5-S1, with endplate sclerosis noted, sclerosis at the anterior aspect of what I am labeling the L4 vertebral body on the lateral film is seen. Clinical correlation is required. It is possible this relates to degenerative change, but I can not entirely rule out the possibility of sclerotic metastasis.
More likely this is due to degenerative change or artifact due overlap with adjacent iliac crest and bowel gas pattern.

Clinical correlation is advised. Follow up coned down view may be performed for further assessment

No other significant osseous abnormalities are noted as seen.

SACROILIAC JOINTS

Normal findings.


So that is what the xray report says, so what has me worried, first of all is the statement about the sclerotic metasasis. I realize that is says more than likely it is due to degenerative change....but does one really know????
What also appears to be strange is why has the diet worked so well for me if there is no arthritis?? What is all the pain from, it feels numb and deep deep pain when I walk. I am thinking now that it must be a pinched nerve from sleeping.      I am really 95% better sinse starting the diet. My Dr. said to keep doing it if it makes me feel better. (she didn't know too much about it).
I am starting to get over the shock of the possible cancer thing, the more I read this report and talk to people I try to be positive and see that it is only a slim factor, but always that chance, afterall there is something there the technicians saw right? I am not so worried about the rest of it as I know it is common somewhat, and others worse off than myself and they seem to be leading productive lives and not even on the BTD I bet! Today I bought  Louise Solomons Yoga and Pilates dvd. I start that tonight. I know I need to work on posture and strengthening again. I looked into a good chiro and I go next week. I will get him to do another set of xrays, I really want a second set done as well as pick up my first set, would like him to see them. I had my period that day I went to get the xrays (they told me to so they would know I was not preggy....as if..me at 42, no way! hee hee) I am wondering of the "artifact due overlap with...." was it a tampon they saw, and of course I was probably full of gas with all this broccoli!! Anyone out there read xray reports? My Dr. was quite vague about all this and realy she kept saying don't worry I am sure you are just fine, you'd know if you had cancer, you would not be well. OK, so it's in the first stages and I don't notice. My gosh lots of cancers go by un detected.
I am thankful I do not have arthritis as well, not sure which is the worst, but whatever I need to do to reverse this I will do it...I know we must be able to heal or slow down the process of degenerative bones, right? As for the cancer thng, I need to just deal with it, one step at a time. Get the ct scan done and over with.
I could not find Dr. D'Adamo's Cancer book.Have to work on that. I have gone on so long now and I probably talked in circles. My main focus is to stick with the diet, I really do enjoy it and I lost 4 pounds now as a bonus. 8 more to go, whenever it decides to leave is fine with me. I seemed to have packed on a few extra these past couple of years with this back thing, so eating this way definatly has it's advantages no matter where you sit!
As far as detoxing goes, I'm sort of wondering if that is going on a bit. I honestly was not the most unhealthy eater around really, but the last few days I have felt a little different, almost headachy too. (did I ever mention I have not had ONE headache sinse I started the diet) Very uncommon to go 2 weeks with out one.

For anyone out there reading this that is new to the BTD, I urge you to stay with it and don't give up. There is so much help out there and so many great people to be there for you. I can not even dream of going back to my steak and potatos! Ok, I lied! No really, the cravings go away as you get healthier. Ease your way into it if you need to.

I had better get going to go do some Yoga, all new to me, but I now need to work on my posture....many of you stress that....thanks!
Any suggestions please let me know, I appreciate it.
Chat soon. xoxo
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sasha,
wonderful report!!!
keep up the great work!)


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The ISBN # for the Cancer Book, if you want to get it is:
0-399-15101-X
It is also available through the Blood Type Store, at the top right-hand corner of this page.

Do you have a copy of Live Right 4 Your Type?  It's a great, great book to have, covers the whole life approach for your blood type, no matter what may be ailing us.
Maybe you mentioned having this book, but I haven't read back through your previous posts tonight.  If it turns out that this is not at all related to cancer, LR4YT may be completely all you need!

What did the doctor recommend as a way of determining what is actually going on?



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Quoted from Victoria
The ISBN # for the Cancer Book, if you want to get it is:
0-399-15101-X
It is also available through the Blood Type Store, at the top right-hand corner of this page.

Do you have a copy of Live Right 4 Your Type?  It's a great, great book to have, covers the whole life approach for your blood type, no matter what may be ailing us.
Maybe you mentioned having this book, but I haven't read back through your previous posts tonight.  If it turns out that this is not at all related to cancer, LR4YT may be completely all you need!

What did the doctor recommend as a way of determining what is actually going on?


Thanks, I will go order it today at the bookstore, may be easier than ordering on line.
I have LR4YT, but found the arthritis book easier to read, and seeing as that is what  the Dr. was sure I had, I am going with this one. It seems to be working, think maybe the avoids were adding some sort of stress in my body and now are gone. Who knows.
The Dr. only recommened to get a cat scan to "rule out" cancer.As the degeneration "may' be related to it. This may take 2-4 months to get the appointment date. YIKES, a long wait. Meanwhile she said to just keep doing what I am doing with my diet if it helps. Try some yoga as well. Basically it was like "too bad so sad, looks like you have some scoliosis and some degenerative stuff going on, deal with it." Not in those words, but thats what she meant I guess cause she had really nothing to say, and here I am in a little bit of shock at this protocol of possible cancer that I didn't ask enough question I supose. She said "see you after you do your cat scan or before if I need to." She stressed that she thought I was just fine and to not worry. I guess she could have sent me for some sort of bloow work, but didn't. My WBC was good, maybe that was enough to satisfy her, don't know.
I will see what the chiro says when he sees the xrays this week.
I will add that I sure feel great today!! Think those yoga poses really helped last night. In the dvd I bought it had the "child pose" that I believe...sorry, it was leaping green suggested. Great advice on that one, cause it sure felt good to do it.
Till later, thanks and chat soon.

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Found the cancer book at the BTStore, I just didn't go to the next page.....
thanks.
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Hi Sasha,
What some people do, who have multiple issues related to their health, is go through the relevant books and select the foods that rank beneficial or highly beneficial in both (or all) the books that (may) apply to your situation.  And try to emphasize one or two of the primary supplements for both protocols, just in case.

It's the waiting that can stress us in a major way!!  You have every right to call back to the doctor's office and ask further questions, especially if you are confused about what the test meant or what the doctor communicated to you.  Are you scheduling another test?



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Sasha, honey, don't panic.  From the report, it really sounds like the cancer is just a slight possibility and the doctor who analyzed the findings doesn't really think it is that, but he just felt the need to point out that it is possible (but not likely!).

One thing that I noticed is that it says under "Lumbar Spine", "no comparison", and I'm wondering if that is a typo and they meant to write "no compression".  If so, if they meant to write "no compression", this is AWESOME!  Very good!  But I'm not sure what they meant to put because later it does say there is a "mild narrowing at L5-S1", but maybe it is so mild that it isn't really "compressed" (again, good news).*  My disc narrowing is L5/S1, too, but mine is VERY narrow, like almost no space, like the two are almost touching and the last x-ray was 2000 so, for all I know, they could be on top of each other by now (because the 2000 x-ray showed them much closer than the 1995 x-ray, and here it is 2005...I should probably get new x-rays, come to think of it...but I'm never one to push for x-rays and, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.  Right now, I'm sailing along fine).

You know, Sasha, whenever we read a medical report about ourselves it can sound really scary, even if everything is normal.  With backs, virtually everybody veers from the ideal alignment so, when the report is written up on the x-rays, it is going to go into detail on the ways that you vary from the ideal.  But that doesn't mean it is anything bad necessarily!  Take heart!  I can understand your fear over the phrase "sclerotic metastasis", but remember that he followed mentioning that possibility instantly by stating "more likely this is due to degenerative change or artifact due overlap with adjacent iliac crest and bowel gas pattern."  More likely!  So, don't get your knickers in a twist worrying when chances are you do NOT, not, not, NOT have cancer.

And other than that worry, the rest of the report does not sound bad to me!  Especially if they did mean to say "no compression" (and what the heck does "no comparison" mean?  maybe that this is your first, baseline x-ray with them and thus they have nothing to compare it to?  ...come to think of it, it probably does simply mean that...).

Anyway, please, please notice that they said "mild scoliosis" and "mild narrowing", AND "normal findings" in the sacroiliac area, that means you are normal in your sacroiliac joints--trust me, this is GREAT NEWS!  Like I said, even the best medical report can sound scary because of the technical jargon they use!

To me, the worst thing on there is the "mild scoliosis", and you can definitely work with that and have a great quality of life!  So, if that is the worst thing, rejoice, my friend!  Get a good chiropractor, definitely join a hatha yoga class (I need to take my own advice there...but do as I SAY, not as I DO *lol*), and RELAX!

You remind me of myself, girl:  worrywort!  So again, do as I say, not as I do, and don't worry about the "cancer" part of the thing until you hear further because it truly sounds like the doctor does NOT think it is that, but he just can't totally rule it out yet.

I think you are OKAY, at least, it sounds like it to me!  And you are better than okay, because you've found the A diet and this board/community, and things are going to get better from here.  We are all here to help each other.

Courage!

(((BIG HUG)))

* Then again, "sacralization" seems to mean that the L5 is actually down almost fused with the S1, so I dunno how they also say it is only "mild compression" ???  At any rate, I believe that a good chiropractor can really help you to have range of motion and a great quality of life, just like they have done for me.  Like I said, I have (as of 2000, if anything, it would be worse now) almost NO space between L5 and S1, yet I am basically fine and dandaroo here with periodic chiro adjustments.  Take heart!


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Peppermint Twist!
What a honey you are! I am so sorry I have not gotten back to you on this really nice letter....it made me feel soooo good, I think this has gotten me through the last couple of days.
Think I got the name wrong and thought it was from someone else, when I posted about this letter "somewhere" out there. sorry if I did that.
You are probably very right, and pretty cool to talk to someone with the same problem practically.
I am very afraid of the C possibility, but you have calmed me down some and I appreciate that. I wonder if they say something like often just in case so people get checked out? You would think that the trained eye would know or not if it were degenerative change for sure.
Friday I see this new great chiro I have lined up and will bring my x-rays to him, I pick those up Wed.
So what the heck is all this pain then? Dr. says it's not arthritis now. Did you get pain at night, and then in the morning it's very bad, can't even get up out of bed some days. As soon as I started my A diet for Arthritis it has gone away almost entirely, some days a bit of pain, but mostly I feel great, anything is great compared to what it was like before. My Dr. never really said anything, just keep doing what I am doing if it makes me feel better. She didn't suggest a chiro, any type of exercises, nothing. Looking back she just didn't have me convinced that there is NOT a problem, although she said she thought I was just fine...besides, what else could she say?
Oh well, for now I will just hangin there and see what happens.
Can't thank you enough for your support and how you disected that report for me!
Your great, and I hope for you  too that you continue to feel good!!!!!!!!
Cheers!
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Sasha,
We're all fans of Peppermint T. around here!  

And Sasha, Just keep taking care of yourself by eating right and following whatever protocols that you connect with.  That's the best thing to do for all of us, no matter what health concerns we have.  Anxiety is such an energy drain.  You are feeling a lot better by eating better.  That's a concrete thing.  Keep it up.  And talk it all out with your Chiro.  It's great to have as many people as possible on your team that you can trust and talk openly with.  Have a great day!!
V.



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Quoted from Sasha
Peppermint Twist!
What a honey you are!

Guilty as charged!  

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I am so sorry I have not gotten back to you on this really nice letter....it made me feel soooo good, I think this has gotten me through the last couple of days.  Think I got the name wrong and thought it was from someone else when I posted about this letter "somewhere" out there. sorry if I did that...

Uh oh...that would probably be MY fault, as I recently (like, yesterday) changed my screen moniker (name).  It was leaping greenly.  However, I plan on sticking with Peppermint Twist now so you don't need to worry about me suddenly morphing into "thekalekid" or something else manana!

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So what the heck is all this pain then? ...

Well, now, that is something that you are going to have to ask your new chiro whom you are going to see with the x-rays.  Back probs are tricky to diagnose, even for a trained person and even with all the x-rays, history, patient, and other information right there to analyze.  I'm just a confused lay person like you, plus I don't know the specifics of your sitch, but if the pain is in the lower back, it sounds like it is due to the "sacralization" of L5 and S1, which sounds similar to my sitch.  Again, a good chiro CAN help you with this.  It may take time and a series of visits close together at first, but trust the process.  When I first went to a chiro, I was very skeptical and leery about the entire thing, including how often they told me to go (like 3 or 4x per week for many weeks at first, if I am remembering correctly...maybe it wasn't 4x per week, but I think it was 3x each week, for weeks on end, and then like 2x per week for months after that, then maybe once per week for several more months, then finally they said I could go on "maintenance" of like once per month).  I had not realized, going in, that chiropractic treatment is a process, not a quick visit or three and you are done.  I have a brother in law now who thinks chiropractic is a bunch of hooey, and his argument is "if it works so well, how come you have to keep going?".  What he doesn't understand (and this is a very American 'tude) is that not everything in life, not every health challenge, can be "fixed".  Some things are chronic.  Now, that said, NOT everyone who gets chiropractic treatment will need ongoing treatment.  Some indeed can go short-term and "fix" their problem, maybe never even needing to go back again, or maybe just very rarely.  But for me, I must go in once per month at least once every 6 weeks MAX.  6 weeks is pushing the envelope.  I try to explain to my BIL that it is like physical therapy, it is an ongoing process, and also that my back STRUCTURE is unstable and so it will keep tending towards that and must keep getting corrected, as, for just one thing, I have one leg significantly shorter than the other (most people's legs are not exactly identical, but mine truly are different enough to have basically caused this whole kit and kaboodle, apparently).  I try to tell him that it is like a diabetic who needs periodic insulin:  if she gets it, she is fine.  If not, she's dead.  But he insists that it is all a racket and, if it "worked", I wouldn't have to keep going back.

The ironic thing is, I used to think like that somewhat, too, because after the first chiro (the one who had me in there 3x per week or more for so long) got me stabilized and wanted me to go on "maintenance" visits of like once per month, I decided "Well, this is all a racket, a money-making scheme!  She just wants me to keep coming in, but I'm on to her!  I'm fine, I don't need this anymore!"  So, I left and never went back.  And, I was okay for a while, but slowly and surely I got worse and worse and then I left that job and that insurance and went through a period of a few years of being terribly underemployed with no insurance and then terrible insurance that I never even dared access because I could tell it was all just smoke and mirrors and not real coverage.  Of course, at the same time, my back was getting worse and worse, because of my brilliant conclusion that "it was all a racket".  By the time I got to where I work now, got decent insurance, AND--and this last one is the kicker--got into enough continual pain and inability to basically function without walking around like Quasi Moto so that I had NO CHOICE but to access the, to me, frightening health care system once again, it was around 2000 when I went back to my current chiro practice (the old one was not on "the list" of our then-health-insurance plan).  I could barely walk in the door, Sasha, I remember that.

I think my actual disc space/compression situation between L5 and S1 is way worse now even than in 2000 but certainly than in the late 90's, as no way could I go now as long as I went then without chiropractic care, without having a full-blown lumbosacral strain happen, i.e., without my back completely "going out", as in, cannot move.  The last time this did happen was in 2002.  I'm sure it will happen again, but I now do everything I possibly can to take proper care of my back, and I KNOW that chiropractic isn't "all a racket".  Yet even though the physical structure is worse, I'm so much better, thanks mainly to the chiro and to following BTD.  My back is consistently stable and functional now, and NOT in pain, if I just do what I need to do to stay that way, and for that I'm deeply grateful.  The thing I wish I had said to my BIL when he first said "I think chiropractic is a total joke" or whatever he said, was this:  "Well, I hope you never have to find out one way or the other".  I mean, I thought so, too, until I was in enough pain that I had to do something, and I tried it.  It is down to good chiropractic care that I'm functional, fine and the aforementioned dandaroo today, truly.  The BTD doesn't hurt matters, either.  In fact, that 2002 episode happened after a misguided period of going out of BTD compliance.  Coincidence?  You be the judge *lol*!

ANYWAY:  to my untrained eye, it looks like the lower back "sacralization" is the prob and I have very high hopes that good chiropractic care will fix ya up.  Do give it time at first, though.  And also, sometimes with the adjustments, it has to get a little worse before it gets better, too, like stuff is working itself out and that is unstable territory, pain-wise and inflammation-wise.  Hang in there.  If your gut feeling tells you that you are with a good chiro, stick it out.  If not, find another one.  Because there are good ones and they CAN help you, I really believe that.  I know they helped me.

And please do follow the BTD, too.  It is anti-inflammatory by definition.  I would cut out wheat, even though you are Type A.  Wheat is very inflammatory, especially to O's and ESPECIALLY to O nonnies (present and accounted for!), but A's and wheat are not best of buds, either.  Your B types are the only lucky ducks who can sit around eating Ben & Jerry's and then top it off with a nice slice of whole wheat toast *lol*.  Not that I'm bitter or anything.  With your back probs, I'd say lose the wheat if possible.  And start in with lots of anti-inflammatory foods like and especially pineapple.

Sasha, it is going to get better from here.


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OMGosh! YOu really crack me up Pep Twist!! I had sooo much fun reading your last post to me..thanks for the smiles!
I thought for sure it was Leaping Greenly one day and then next thing....dunno, your not. Thought I was loosing my mind, but actually just read where you announced your chameleon skills, from greenly to red pep! Oh and another big fan of Peppermint Patty, she was the best! (CHUCK) Just loved it! Can't wait for Charlie Brown's Christmas.
Last night I was scanning the threads and I spotted something that really caught my interest, so I went ahead and started to read.
It was your awesome story about Sarahs Garden That beautiful English Cottage Garden! You are so very creative and have a heart of gold to do what you did. What a wonderful idea you had and all the hard work you put into that for your friend. I am so sorry that you lost her, but you know she's there every day sitting on the rock bench watching the flowers grow and bloom. Thank you so much for sharing that with everyone, I wished I was here to have "tea"..maybe next year we could all celebrate her birthday again? We live in an English Tudor cottage looking house with hundreds of shrubs and trees and flowers.....gardening is my passion, I know full well what you went through to build that garden you did an awesome job, it's gorgeous!
Ok, on we go here......as for chiros, I have been to a few different ones in the past and recently started to see one here the neighbourhood.....kind of a welcome wagon thing, so I continued to go, then I would fall off the wagon when I felt better, you know the story right? He mostlt did work for my upper back, shoulders and neck, he never did the back work. He said my back was sore cause of the way I walk blah blah blah, and wante dto start this huge thing on my feet etc. I refused as I don't have the medical and already this was running me at 120 per week. A while back I had been seeing a Grostic chiro, no crunching, just touches you neck, ok your done, 35 bucks please, thank you, good-bye. Hmm, well I guess it actuall must have done something, as my migranes went from 1 per week to 1 every...not sure now, haven't had one forever it seems. I am half convinced that they are not money grabbers and they an actually help you (me). Apparently this guy I see Friday has the same numerology numbers as I do, so I suspect that we will get along just fine. You gave some good indepth descriptions and thoughts as for what I should expect.....I hope I don't have to go that many times a week though...but I will try to do what I have to do.
I picked up my x-rays today, I haven't opened them, I sort of don'twant to, I don't want to see something I don't want to see...like this artefact thingy.. I also went with my Dr.'s referal to get my secretor testing done...ummmm no body at the lab knew what I was talking about, nada, not a no one! They called all sorts of people and no one knew...oh brother! So no problmo, I will order from NAP.
Guess it's time for some yoga and then a hot cup of tea, so for now I thank you again for your inspiration, advice and well wishes, we can all have a healthier lifestyle if we stick to this plan.
Good night for now!
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Artifact, schmartifact, do you know how many times an "artifact" shows up on an x-ray?  Me neither *lol*, but dern it, I'm sure it is a lot, as I know of many women who get a mammogram and are scared to death upon being told that something may or may not have showed up and to rush right back or something, only to learn that it was just an "artifact".  An artifact could be ANYTHING, like a defect in the film or whatever.  Please do not worry until you know what's what with that "artifact".  The doctor said it was "more likely" just good old degeneration (whew, degeneration yay *lol*) or an artifact (BIG yay!).

I'm glad you read and enjoyed the thread about Sarah's memory garden.  Too bad you didn't get a chance to know Sarah Blakeney.  She was the best friend I ever made on the net and I realize that she was quite possibly the best friend I ever had, period.  Even though she was "challenged by breast cancer" as she phrased it, she always wanted me to tell her about whatever was going on with me, and no matter how repetitive and no-doubt PIDDLY-seeming those things were, she always was genuinely interested and caring, even when she was going through the most God awful realities in her own life.  She was only 42 when she passed away and she has a 7-year-old son.  What can you say?  That says it all.  But she was SO brave and great through the whole thing that she really was this amazing inspiration in my life and I'm sure she would kick my butt to kingdom come if she knew just how little I am DOING with that inspiration at the present juncture, but, hey, at least I've finally stopped drinking my tea at work out of styrofoam, so she'd be happy about that, as she tried to bring that about for ages with no success before her death.  She was the best person I never met.  It amazes me how much I care for her and how close we were when we never met!  I saw one picture of her!  My friendship with her took place almost entirely over the internet (with a few international phone calls here and there), which just shows ta go ya that what counts is not the physical body, but the spirit.  I feel that our spirits connected and I hope we still are (even though, as I said, I'm sure she would kick my patootie right about now for a lot of ways I'm dropping the ball in my own life, or never even picked the ball up, never mind dropping it).  Anyway...the garden is getting some long-overdue attention this weekend.  Over the long-hot Florida summer, I mainly focused on the front yard and just keeping everything else down to a dull roar and out of "wild rainforest" territory.  But now it needs some true attention and will get it.  I'm glad you enjoyed that thread and only wish you could have experienced Sarah as a member of this community.  She was a pistol.


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  It amazes me how much I care for her and how close we were when we never met!  I saw one picture of her!  My friendship with her took place almost entirely over the internet


I can so relate to what your are saying about your dear friend through the internet.  I too have a very close friend - one of my best friends who I have never met face to face and who I mainly communicate with over the internet - along with a few long distance phone calls.  God allowed me to meet her at a time when we were both in the midst of battling infertility.  She was grieving over a miscarriage and I was feeling very depressed about not being able to get pregnant.  She eventually went on to get pregnant and just recently gave birth to her 2nd child - while I'm still waiting to get pregnant with my first - but she has stuck through it all with me and not made me feel left behind or bad in any way.  I don't know what it is about the friendship I have with this woman who I've never met - but it has definately gotten me through some very dark, dark days and I will be eternally greatful to God for her.  I'm sorry that you lost your friend Sarah - how long ago did she pass away?


Blessings,
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I also have an internet friend that I met through BTD. I have just been corresponding with her for a month or so, but already feel as if I have known her forever. We have so much in common. We e-mail each other at least a couple of times a week and she is so easy to talk to. Many years ago friendship was defined as someone you have met face-to-face and get to know over a period of time, now through cyberspace we can become friends and never meet. It is really something. Here is something for all of you internet friends and all who have yet to become friends, dedicated especially to Sarah, who sounds like the true definition of a friend. Enjoy! http://www.inspiringthots.net/movie/unspoken-words.php
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That is just awesome southernkitty - it totally says how my friendship with my intenet friend is - we write every single day and she's called me at 3am when her new born was sick and had to stay in the hospital - we've been through it all together and know just when each other is sad or happy or whatever the other person is feeling but yet we've never met in person.  Some day I hope we will get the chance to meet though - I'm sure we'll never stop talking!!  


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She (Sarah) just passed away on March 5th.

I realized when I left here yesterday that I said something inaccurate.  I kept saying she would kick my patootie for not taking more chances and doing and being all that I could and should do and be in life.  But you know, she wouldn't.  Because she never did, she just accepted me as I am, which is a great gift from any friend, but in her case, it was quite extraordinary and remarkable because here I am healthy as a horse and basically squandering the gift of my life in many important ways, and there she was, NOT squandering hers, doing so many truly important things, like being a parent, which is THE most sacred, important thing one can do in this life, I think, and a wife, and a doing a job/career that helped society, and yet she had to watch it all slipping away.  She would have done ANYTHING to have the chance to stay here and be a mom (or "mum"...she was British) to her son, Joe.  She even told me towards the end, I'm okay with dying but it breaks my heart to think of Joe growing up without a mother.  So against the backdrop of all that, up until the very end, she was always asking about ME, and no matter how neurotic and ridiculous the responses she got often were, she never once said "omg, Edna, why don't you just get over it all and LIVE, baby!  Do you realize how lucky you are to be HEALTHY?  Stop being paralyzed by all your angst and get out there and CARPE DIEM!!!"  But she never said that, ever.  It is amazing to me that she could even tolerate me, let alone want to be my friend.  I think if I had been her, I would have been in a constant state of fury at anyone who was healthy yet a ball of paralyzed angst and thus not living life to the fullest.  She DID live life to the fullest, but didn't get a chance to finish what she had started.  But instead of being furious about that, she chose--CHOSE--instead to be a good mom, wife, sister, daughter, employee and friend, right up to the end, always thinking about what everyone else in her life needed and caring so much about all of us, even someone as remote as an internet friend, versus at some point saying to everyone:  Okay, you know what, it is all about ME now, I'm dying.  I think that is what I would have done, just become very selfish, even more selfish than I am now *lol*.  But instead she was the opposite, making everything about caring for those around her and setting this great example through her attitude and actions, right up to the end.  She is definitely my hero.  I have no idea why she even wanted to be friends with me or had any patience with me at all, but it is obvious why I was honored to be friends with her, as she just met her "challenge" with extraordinary bravery, honesty, pluckiness, practicality and grace.  Too bad many of y'all didn't know her, as she had already gotten very near the end when this new Dr. D. official BTD message board opened.  She had been on the old one and then on a different BTD message board when that one ended.  I got to know her around that time, and it was after she had had a mastectomy but before the cancer returned (or before they found out it never left, I guess is more accurate).  Me and her other BTD cyberbuds at that time just got more and more impressed with her as she was diagnosed with a recurrance and the way she coped and stayed focused on living instead of turning inward and dying.  Even before the recurrance, I was impressed with her as this very straight-shooting, honest, practical, funny, down-to-earth, unafraid-to-speak-her-mind person, who was also very caring.  Oh yeah, and intelligent as heck.  Well, she just stayed the same after the recurrance and she did everything a human being and parent could do to try and go into remission and be healthy again, but her cancer, to me anyway, seemed particularly aggressive and no matter what she did, it just kept marching on and on and we all sat there on the sidelines, basically, and could do nothing but watch in horror.  Somehow, due to her attitude and will to live, it always seemed there was a chance she'd be fine.  Seemed like a good chance, at first.  Then things kept getting scarier and scarier.  Finally, one day it hit me that she was going to die.  It was when she said something casually like "I'm going into the hospice for a few days".  I went to my car (I was at work, I'm always at work if I have net access *lol*) and sat there and cried my eyes out.  A few days?  Who checks into the hospice for "a few days?"  Actually, she did go home after that again, but she did pass away shortly after that.  No one can ever say she didn't do everything humanly possible to stay here for her son.

The good thing is, it seems her husband is quite a guy, too, and has really stepped up to the plate and is doing a good job taking care of Joe (the son).  Sarah also had parents and sisters who are taking a big part in Joe's life.  David (Sarah's husband) wrote me that Joe is now in Tae Kwon Do and this was the idea of the sisters.  I think that is a GREAT idea and was so glad to hear he is liking Tae Kwon Do.  For some reason, that one fact just made me feel like he's okay.

Anyway, sorry to go on and on.  I miss Sarah.  And she was a big believer in the BTD and it probably extended her time here somewhat, as she was steadfast in following the BTD anti-cancer A protocol, etc.  She lived longer than the doctors had thought she would.  When she showed up at the hospital for something or other, one of the doctors or nurses was shocked to see her and said to her something like "Oh, I didn't think you'd live to see Christmas", if I'm remembering that anecdote correctly.  She wasn't sure she would, either, and I remember that she was so scared of dying ON Christmas and "ruining Christmas for Joe forever".  But instead she lived until March.  I also think the support she got from her BTD friends was a help to keep her going through the dark times.  She cared so much about her BTD friends that she apparently had the foresight to ask her husband to inform us when she got too sick to write and then when she passed away.  And he has been so sweet about staying in touch with me periodically, which I'm sure is mostly her doing, the little bu**er.  She never once said "Well, it looks like I'm not going to survive this, so prepare yourself".  She always treated it like it was a manageable disease.  But I think in the end she knew that, for her, it wouldn't be.  And in the end her friends in the BTD community knew it, too.  And neither of us wanted to be the first to say it.  Yet she made arrangements to ensure her husband would communicate with us before, during and after her death, this is how much she thought of other people, and caring for them and making things easier for them, even her "internet friends".  The woman was special.


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Peppermint Twist, I feel your love for Sarah, she sounds like a true friend and a very brave lady. I have something special for you to read, I was so impressed to send it to you, I believe it will bring you comfort. http://www.inspiringthots.net/movie/letter-heaven.php
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Thank you, kitty of the south.  For some reason, that "movie" reminded me more of my adored, beloved, 20-year-old, recently-passed-away cat, Oliver, than of Sarah.  It was lovely, thanks.


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Pepermint Twist, as much as you loved Sarah, she loved you back the same. That is all to clear in her actions...to all of her internet friends. What an extraordinary brave soul she was.

Off track a little here, but I think you can seriously write about Sarah, I think it would help a lot of people going through difficult times as she. You could call it Sarah's Memory Garden. I think Sarah gave you a gift when she left, the ability to share in her and your's experience with others, you have been telling Sarah's story and it has inspired me deeply.
I didn't know Sarah, but I miss her too....just listening to you talk about her makes me feel that way.

Thank  you for sharing.
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[quote=Edna]Artifact, schmartifact, do you know how many times an "artifact" shows up on an x-ray?


As soon as the x-rays went up on the light board, all 3 of us (Julia, my friend, the chiro and myself) yell out "There's the artifact!"
It was my belly buttin ring!!!!!!!  Ok, I don't even want to go there! And yes, you can tell me I told you so!! !
Have any of you studied dermatomes at all? I started reading up on it and it sure makes a lot of things clear for me, looking at your dermatones Peppernint Twist, I can bet you have pain (numbing) across your glutes down your thighs, outside of your knee area and down into your toes, the 3 middle (starting next to your big toes).
My friend tipped me off to this and I have to wonder why non of the Dr.s I have seen suggested this to me?? This is even after they had seen my spinal x-rays. It is so clear that the twist  my C5, 6 7 and 8 have caused the pain and night time numbness in my arms and hands. My new chiro (which I LOVE) suggested I stay on the BTD to help keep the inflamation to the nerves at bay. I will note that he did not see any signs of C, but said I should still get the cat scan done so he can see them to help me even more. He did say that the sacralization of the L5 and 4 is definatly there but not completly compressed... the mild narrowing at the L4-S1 is probably a little more than he sees as I was lying flat for the x-rays, tends to compress more standing. About an extra mm. The usual one leg longer 1/2 an inch.
In respect to the dermatones I can now see and relate to the pains say like in my toes, inside ankles, legs, glutes...- due to the pinched nerves and has given me less worry now, but means of treating it, which is good. And that would be the BTD. Plus I can now ice those trouble spots, seeing as I know what it is now.The last 4 days I have had very bad lower back pains, I guess I must have lifted or done something to cause this, but the night time pain is still kept to a min. I can get up out of bed with no struggle. I know I will overcome this shortly and be back on the fast track...just a minor setback...no problem.  My chiro says there are 4 things that tell him one has osteoperosis, I have 3 of them. No problem.....I can do this, I see so many of you have overcome obsticles of all kinds, I'll be one of them. I am determined and I am focused. I am so sorry if I got carried away with my problems, but with no one here to really walk me through the hard times, (no one except Julia wanted to even discuss any of it) my questions and worries, I only had this board with all of you to talk me through, and I thank you all from the bottom of my heart!!!!
I still feel very good on the BTD and the extra water I think has helped too. Thanks for pushing that issue, I now keep telling friends and family....drink your water and sent the http://www.watercure.com to many!

Thank you everyone!
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Sasha, sounds like you are on the right track. We must take control of our own health in this day and time because doctors don't always have the time or initiative to look into everyone's individual health problems. They just have time to get you in, find out what they think is wrong and write you out a prescription which just adds to the problems sometimes. I am so glad that it appears that the belly buttton ring is your problem instead of cancer. A good chiro is one of  the greatest assets one can have. When I had insurance that covered it, I went often, but without insurance it can get very expensive especially if you are on a fixed income, as I am. Well, good luck with everything, glad you are drinking the water, it is a definate life saver. Don't forget to have some good salt intake with the extra water, that is important also, but you would have learned that from the watercure information. Good report Sasha, we will be here for you.
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Thanks Southernkitty, I have always known that the Dr.'s don't always get done what they should, it's in and out like you said, but I had more faith in mine, guess I was wrong.
The chiro will cost me a lot of money too, money I don't have, but somehow I have to make it work. I do not have the extended medical anymore to cover a good portion of it. This guy says he won't make me go more than one time I week if I follow his instructions and do as he says....so you betcha, I'll be doing that.

How are your Thanksgiving plans coming along? We have had ours already here in Canada.
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