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Peppermint Twist
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You're right, a sense of community is what I think we all need in order to do this, it's a great feeling isn't it? I'm still new and have very high hopes, I don't see myself bailing anytime soon, or at all!!! Love it, it's easy and you just put your mind to it and ask questions...I hope to start helping others soon too.  

That's the 'tude, Sasha!  I have a chronic back prob, too, and I know it is easy to become frightened and discouraged when it flares up, but just think (as you are) about how much less frequent your pain/symptoms are already, and you have only been BTDing a short time.  You will probably have your health challenge for a lifetime, with ups and downs, but I really believe that the BTD will make the downs so much fewer and farther between.  Eventually, you may stabilize to the point that any symptoms are a rarity and that is the hope!  Please stick with it as you are, as I really feel (make that "know", she said confidently!) that you are in the right place.  You won't be perfect, sometimes you'll eat an avoid or three, but stick with it, don't give up if you have a setback of any kind.  You will learn, also, what to substitute for what, so that you can still enjoy a bounty of delicious treats but ones that are kind to your bod.

You are on the right track.  Hang in there when symptoms flare, because truly I can't say strongly enough how much I know that this diet is the best at feeding your bod foods in harmony with its needs and which thus are anti-inflammatory, nourishing, and healing to the max.  Stick with it!



"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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Sasha
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A big thank you for more great words of encouragement!
I have just started to realize that I will have chronic pain probably forever, think I am accepting it better now. I know this is due to the fact that I have made great leaps already at feeling so much better on the BTD. If I have to live like this, I am thankful I am alive and a little pain is better than not being here at all.
This feeling of well being is so wonderful!

I see how the BTD has made a huge improvement is peoples lives just reading these boards, from weight loos, to some very serious illnesses, the BTD has become a saviour to so many.

Avoids...yup, did it again! How can I be so stupid?? I think sometimes it's like a game, I challenge myself to see if something won't agree with me.Twice now! UGH! Made fet. alfredo for hubby, you know the usual old way....course I had some, but really only about 1/2 a cup, I had my chicken my usual load of veggies.....now my stomach is asking what I put in there???
It says in week 2 in my book to try to avoid all the avoids now, well I did that day one. I started the diet as if I had been on it a lifetime, no weening in for me. So much for reading directions, but I felt I was ready to go full force if it would help stop the pain and give me some sleep.
Still off the pain killers too BTW!!
Thanks again for the kind words!!  
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Tuesday, November 8, 2005, 4:21pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Sasha,  I can say without reservation that this board has been here when I needed them and now that I am gaining more ground every day, I hope to be here when someone needs me. Please keep in mind that you have been on this a short time and as you said you started as if you had been on it a lifetime, plus you stopped pain killers so probably some of what you are going through is still detox. Are you drinking a lot of water? I know when I had my fast heartbeat episode and I spent 24 hours in the hospital and they pumped all kinds of stuff into my body, it took almost two weeks to get it all out. I don't know how long you have been on pain killers, but I am sure it will take awhile to get it out. I have found that water helped me a lot when I was going through the detox of my body. Remember, our bodies are mostly water and when it is depleted it starts pulling from any source it can and that can be our muscles etc. That can be painful. I find when I am hydrated, my whole body is in harmony. My skin is softer, my bones ache less and my hair even does better. Two of the best books I have ever read is "You Are Not Sick You Are Thirsty" and "Water Cures, Drugs Kill" by F. Batmanghelidj M.D., website http://www.watercure.com. I have incorporated his information on water into my BTD diet and find it is a perfect marriage. I used to love sweet tea (southern girl sweet tea) and drank it everyday, now all I drink daily is green tea decaffinated naturally, pure pineapple juice (this is my treat drink) and water. I don't even think of anything else to drink. I have tried other things and couldn't get past a couple of sips, tasted awful to me. Love the taste of water. (not tap water please). Sasha, it appears that you have the determination and willpower so don't let time be a part of what you are doing. In this day and time we all are programmed for instant gratification and we want things to happen yesterday and are not willing to wait for the best results. Waiting can be a virtue to work toward. I know it is hard when you have someone around you who is eating what may taste better initially, but in a few hours, you taste it again and it doesn't taste so good then.  Sasha, I'm here for you, keep going just don't look at the calendar while doing it.
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Sasha, there are a couple of blogger articles you need to check out, it will encourage you, it did me. See Suzanne Graham's Blog 11/06 "I Had A Plan"; Linda Wells Update 10/30, "I can't let go yet and singing." and Cassandra Dwight "Another Quick Update." Everyone has their challenges, it is good to read about them every so often, I love honesty and I see it so often on this site.
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Southern Kitty.how are you? Thanks for all the great information and inspiration ance again.
As for pain  killers I have not taken them for a while, and not often at all, I chose not to cause of all the damage they do. One time my heart was going so fast it scared me, I didn't sleep all night, afraid to. So I really have not taken them a lot at all. A couple weeks back I took one before bed maybe 3 times that week cause the pains were unbearable and I was so run down from getting no sleep. That would be the most in ages in one week. I would usually try a herbal rub or an epsum salt bath.
I am going to go read  those blogs now that you suggested, that is very kind of you to do that. I am still trying to read as much as I can on the boards with what little time I have. Just figued out how to save a thread, as I often forgot where I was and can't find my way back! !
Thanks and have a good night!!
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Sasha,
I doubt if any of us have begun the BTD and never again ate an avoid!  I think you are like all of us. . . .(A Human Being)

You may have your aches and pains for the rest of your life, but I believe with all my heart that if you follow your blood type recommendations, you will have MUCH LESS discomfort and MUCH MORE quality of life.  You will come to love the way you eat because your body will let you know again and again that it is the right thing for your health.

It gets easier to stay away from foods that are not good for you because your tastes change and you stop craving things that make you feel worse.  
Stay in touch with us.



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Let me not pass you by in quest
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Great advice Victoria. I have been doing some reading just now and I see that many make mistakes and have avoids, funny, they all sure regret it  too. My tastes are changing a little and the cravings are almost gone, just a pinch here and there. I am almost never hungry, that is great, I used to always feel hungry and of course would go for the chips!! Bot now. I need to up the water thing though. My problem is I am a sales rep. and I need to often use a public washroom which can be difficult at times, some can be pretty nasty but that is another story. When I get  home I drink as much as I can, I do manage to get 3 cups of green tea a day in though.
Thank you!!!
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Drink water, and carry disposable seat covers!




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Quoted from Victoria
Drink water, and carry disposable seat covers!



Too funny!!!!!!

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Hi Sasha
What a great story, It's exciting when your health improves so quickly!! Keep up the good work!!
Regards Carol  
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Sasha, I know how it is to work and try to drink a lot of water and it is difficult to drink it all when you get home because then you are up all night and that is a problem also. Just do the best you can because water is so important in our bodies and none of us get enough. I am retired now so it is not so hard for me to drink my water, but it is when I go somewhere. I am feeling real good, hardly any pain anywhere now except in my left shoulder that seems to be the one I like to sleep on, which doesn't help matters. I have started the body scrub that is on one of the blogs and believe it or not that seems to really help with circulation, I know it is invigorating! I think there are so many healthy things we can do for our bodies if we just take the time to do it. Sasha, I think Victoria meant to buy those throw-a-way paper toilet seat covers that you can keep with you when you have to enter the nasty bathrooms. The water is so important, I just can't tell you how important, you will just have to see how much better you feel when you drink pure water and as much as possible. The green tea is good too, but nothing is better than the pure water. With that said, let me encourage you to again take things slowly and don't get overwhelmed with all of these changes and suggestions. If you are a sales rep. that means you are a "go-getter" and you want to get things done right away and want to see the results of your efforts right away. I know because my career background was media, marketing and then my last few years of work was in disaster services so I probably have a similiar personality. I have learned that some things are worth doing slowly. If you can add 1-2 extra glasses of water to your routine daily to start, do  that and then increase as you can. You were talking about following certain threads. If I want to know if someone has replied to a thread I don't use "Quick Reply" but go to the reply in the post and you can check that you want to receive an e-mail when someone replies to the post and that way you never lose track of that particular post. There may be an easier way, I just discovered this one while playing around with the site. Hang in there, we will be here for you, feel better!
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Thanks SK!
Ok, that made me laugh, I guess she did mean the seat cover throw aways, but honestly, I don't sit on the seats anyhow no matter where I am, but some of the washrooms are just so plain filthy to enter or stink so bad!
Yup, you got it right, I am a go getter and I do want things done..like yesterday.
I tried that body scrub years and years ago, but good idea, I will start again. I tend to be having lots more epsum salt baths now and needing the time to relax in a tub...no phones, no cells, no nothing but me and peaceful tranquility!
Also good idea to start slow on the water and work up, I know I don't get enough, always has been a problem except when I was working out, I always put the water away all day long no matter what. I was not reping at that time so it was easier.
Sounds to me like your doing really well now....how does your family react to this?
They must be happy for you? Well, when they start to have problems of they're own, they just might come asking for advice, you never know. For now I am just going to work with myself and offer advice when I feel fit to do so.
Thanks and you  too keep up with your BTD, somehow I know you will and always will!!!!
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Sasha, I just knew you were probably an "A" personality, you just sounded like a younger me.   The relaxing in the tub is a perfect solution to a long day. I am doing real well, it takes determination and resolve to stick with all of the changes. I truly miss certain foods and I am almost afraid to eat out because I don't know what is in the food, that makes it hard when someone calls to go eat.   I just tell them for now I am sticking to getting my body well and I am eating at home and then I invite them to come over. I know they might be getting a few avoids if they are not my blood type, but they probably don't know the difference in feeling bad from eating at a restaurant and feeling bad eating at my house. Most of the time they love what I fix, so I am sure it is okay for them. I can make a really good stir fry with veggies, shrimp or chicken and brown rice or rice noodles. I just want to continue feeling good so I will continue doing what is best for me right now and not worry about hurting anyones feelings. My children who came to the hospital with me when I had the heartbeat problem, just want me to be well so they just kid me once in awhile about what I eat, but are not upset with my change in eating. In fact one of my daughter-in-laws is watching labels for certain things like MSG. Thanksgiving will probably be my test for temptation as it will probably be for many of us. My grandson has requested my famous family receipe banana pudding, my sons have requested my cornbread dressing which has a ton of avoids for me, my daughter-in-law is making red velvet cake, which I love. So I am now putting together my own menu for myself so I can heap up my plate with good foods and it won't look like I am starving myself. I have learned to make a really good sweet potato dish with walnuts and honey. I am making a turkey, so I will have a lot of meat. I will have lots of good veggies. None of them like cranberrys so I will fix a fresh cranberry dish for me, they will all avoid that! I can't do much about the dressing, just can't eat it,   but will keep looking for receipes so I can maybe make one good for me. The banana pudding will be hard as it was my mothers receipe.   I will make it through that day and in turn may find some new recipes that can become a tradition for me. Keep going, Shasa you will make it.
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Southern Kitty, if you like wheat-bread dressing, you could make something similar out of spelt bread (either store-bought or homemade) or Ezekiel bread.  That would be enough different from the cornbread type that the rest of your family might like to have some of both.

As for the banana pudding, you can have bananas, so you can have banana pudding!  But an O-complient version might seem like it was trying (and failing) to be your mother's recipe.  Maybe best to be different but good, like you say.

Hey, I just noticed that the bar at the end of each page of a thread (where you can click on a page number at the left side) has a button on the right side that says Notify.  Apparently, you don't even have to post to a thread to get emails when somebody else does.


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Hi Sasha
What a great story, It's exciting when your health improves so quickly!! Keep up the good work!!
Regards Carol  

Thank you CarolID!!!


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SK, I wish I was an O and I could be at your house for Thanksgiving! Sounds delicious!!! Being Canadian we have had our Thanksgiving, I wasn't on the BTD then...all big celebrations are at our house now, I do the cooking....my next one is Christmas,  I think I will start planning a meal!
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What a bad morning I am having! I have walked out most the pain, now I have sat down here at the puter to say a few words and do some reading before I head out to my Dr.'s appointment.
Wondering if anyone knows if this pain can be contributed to standing for the last 2 days for about 7 and a half hours? At my job they have me helping out wrapping Xmas gifts for parties we do for big companies. Also, some heavyish lifting and dragging large boxes 50 feet. Usually I drive for 20 minutes, get out, walk around for 30 -60 minutes or more, get back in my car, drive some more and repeat. (I am a sales rep) I tend to be fine doing this. Just wondering if it's too much strain in my lower back and has caused the inflamation to flare up? Or if I am just not used to it and to keep doing it until I build strength again?
Today is day 12 on my BTD, the worst day I have felt so far, it has been so great to be almost pain free, and then this.  What a let down.
I will be back later today after my Dr. visit to find out FOR SURE what my condition is. All my tests results are in now. She had previously said she believes almost for sure that I have Spondylitis......we'll see now.
Bye for now good friends and we'll chat later!!
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Sasha,
So sorry about your major aches and pains!  All that unaccustomed labor is bound to make any situation worse.  If your body was used to that pattern of work, it probably wouldn't impact you so strongly.

Let us know what you find out, and at least then, you will know what you are dealing with.  

No matter what it is, stay with the blood type lifestyle!  



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Let me not pass you by in quest
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Sasha, sorry to hear about your pain today - that must be frustrating.  

I was wondering if you've continued to be compliant?  And if so you may be going through a period of detoxing from avoids you were previosly consuming - and unfortunatley the dexoting can be quite a painful experience.  I'm in the middle of a detox right now from indulging for quite a while in some major avoids and it is no fun.  I'm just wondering if that might be what's going on for you.  Make sure and drink plenty of water - especially if it's detox you're going through.  

I hope your dr's appointment goes well.  


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Sasha, hang in there. This is for you, turn up your sound, sit back and soak in the message.

http://www.inspiringthots.net/movie/dont-quit.php
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Hello everyone.....well not a great day today with my Dr. visit. It wasn't what I wanted to hear. If you don't mind later or tomorrow I will tell you more and I will type out the xray report.  Maybe someone can help me figure it out a little better. The Dr. thinks I am fine, but there is always that doubt. For now I will say that  it is not Spondylitis, yes it shocked both my Dr. and myself. I will be booked for a ct scan, but could take 3-4 months, that's our health plan for you here in Canada. I still have faith in the BTD and will stay with it. She said to keep doing it if it makes me feel better. She also gave me a referal to get my secretor test done which I am happy about and can't wait to go. Maybe then at least I can have some sweet potato, seems the closest to potato I will get if I am a nonnie. More important so I can pin point my foods more accurately.
Thanks everyone, I appreciate you all helping me get through this. I will reply back to you all soon,ok?
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Sasha,
Thank you for taking the time to update us, even though you are under your own stresses.  I guess it's just that we care about each other here on this forum.  When you are ready, sit down with us for a Meeting of the Minds.

Blessings,
V.



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Hey, girl, didn't have time to really read what's been added to this whole thread since last I lighted here, as it is very substantive, but wanted to respond to a few things real quick like, as in about another hour, I'm off line for the weekend:

1.  Fettucini Alfredo:  If you are going to make this, go to the HFS and get some Pastariso brand 100% stoneground rice pasta instead of using the wheat spaghetti or fettucini noodles.  It is every bit as good if not better.  There are other rice pasta brands you could try, too (read ingredients labels to make sure they don't sneak some wheat in there).

2.  Sounds to me like GOOD news from the doctor, no?  You do NOT have what you thought you did, so why is that "not what I wanted to hear"?  You mean because now you don't know what is going on?  Hey, I think that is okay for now and better than having what you thought you had!!!  You now have the hope of really getting yourself back to optimal back/spine health, as maybe you just have a temporary thing, and if you eat right for your type, go to the chiropractor, and learn about stretches you can do at home and proper posture, sitting, standing, etc., you could be right as rain!  This is all good, girl!!!  btw, if I were to stand for 7-1/2 hours straight, my back would be in dire, dire straights.  I could not work in retail for this reason, not with my back prob.  I can WALK for miles, but just STANDING around, no, no way, nein danke, na ga da, wouldn't be prudent at this juncture!  Anyway, unless I scanned your post about the doctor visit too fast and missed something, to me it sounds like wonderful news!!!!  Not knowing what is wrong can be frightening, true, but if he thinks you are "fine", that's GOOD, as it means nothing is really showing up!!!!  That doesn't mean you aren't in pain, and I understand that you really want to find out WHY, but it probably means it is something in the soft tissue and, like I said, if you learn proper posture, standing, sitting and stretching, etc. now, you could be FINE.  My best advice to you, besides sticking to the BTD, is this:  Find yourself not only a good chiropractor, but a good hatha yoga class.  Hatha yoga is the best thing in the world for achieving correct spinal alignment, among other things, all of which promote optimal back health, as well as all-around optimal health.

BTD, yoga, chiro!  And after 7-1/2 hours of standing, do this:

Yoga "extended child" pose http://yoga.org.nz/postures/childs_yoga_instruction.htm (#4 in the "instruction table" is the actual pose/position/asana/stretch itself)

Oh yeah, babe.  Doing the extended child pose twice per day and whenever my back feels irritated has been a big help in keeping it stable, just as the chiro suggested it would be.  He didn't call it the "extended child" pose, though.  I asked him once if there was anything I could be doing at home to help keep my back stable, to keep it from "going out" on me again, and he demonstrated this.  I said "Oh, you mean the child's pose!"  Blank look.  "That's the child's pose in yoga, it's a yoga pose!"  Well, now he is all interested in yoga and meanwhile, I have rediscovered a pose that is a must-do for me.  I first took yoga at age 17 and, if only I'd really stuck with it, I just might not have the prob I have now...although who knows.  It is congenital/structural, so all the proper alignment and stretching/strengthening in the world might not have made enough diff.  But doing this one little stretch/pose twice per day really does help me now to keep my back stable!

Also, get a FLAT cold pack from the chiro, freeze it, and then put it behind your lower back 15 minutes on/15 off, 15 on/off, repeating this when your back is seizing up, or when it is irritated from standing, etc.

Sorry this post is so rushed.


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P.S.  Sasha, I didn't emphasize this in my post above, so it needs its own post:  While I'm not at all sure what is going on with your back (you haven't elaborated much), I can tell that you could probably benefit from finding a GOOD chiropractor.  Is chiropractic covered under the Canadian plan?  Gosh, I hope so, as a good chiro could really help you, I'll bet.

Have a great weekend!


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Hi! I really do not have the time right now to tell the whole story and to write out the xray REPORT but first off, thanks all of you for so much information...this really helps me a lot! And I mean a lot!
Briefly....I am to be booked for a ct scan, they say more than likely not, but they do not want to rule out sclerotic metastasis. The later meaning cancer.
Geese, this has me feeling the pits! Some scoliosis which I knew about and some sacralization blh blah blah.
I'll get this to you asap....I hope to get some help with this from you guys, I really do not know where else to turn too. I told the family and geese, it's like..what's scoliosis, what's this, what's that. I can't deal with that, need people who understand, cause I am trying to too. Julia has been a big help, my friend from here.
I'm working on getting a second set of xrays and a good chiro is on the go, all this week. Also my secretor test...did I already say that?
OK, gotta go for now and get some reading done and just stuff with a cup of g tea.
Thanks all.....xoxo Bless all your wonderful hearts! xoxo
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