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jayney-O
Saturday, October 29, 2005, 12:25am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Since July 27, 05, I have eaten the BTD diet for an O. ( I had been a veggie for 25+ yr. as I have mentioned before.) Getting used to meat did take some time. I have to take pancreatin with all meat meals. But I am now LOVING it. Wow, meat is good. I would have previously wished to be an A, for the veggie style of eating, but hey...this is not too bad.
Now, I lost 10 lbs. the first few weeks, but no more..? (curious, need to lose 20 more)
And the best part of all...............I can sleep, as MikeO predicted. (In my insomnia thread.)
And I did the spit test and found I was a secretor after all, no need to give up tofu. Thanks to all, Jayney-O
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perhaps it would be wise to lower your grain and legume as well as starch intake, until the weight starts moving downward.

at least for me, I can t loose any weight if I eat any of the above mentioned food.
give it a try.


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Yeah, there was a boot camp thread that almost got me going...but I haven't made it through a day yet without a rye crisp or a peice of kamut toast....I KNOW it would be the thing ....the key to more weight loss,... trying to get up the nerve...thanks for the feedback. Jayney-O
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It's tough to give up the grains and legumes. It is. But it's worth it. Don't beat yourself up if you're having a hard time, though. It takes a while to change your preferences, especially if you've been a vegetarian and relied heavily on those same grains and legumes.


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Jayney-O,  I have found that if you can aviod the grains for several days or maybe a week then after that it is not that hard to continue to avoid them.


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Jayney-O,  I have found that if you can aviod the grains for several days or maybe a week then after that it is not that hard to continue to avoid them.


Absolutely.  I am going through  that detox myself.  However, for me, it has to be an avoidance of all starches and most sugars as well.

My starch list is:  all grains, all potatoes - sweet or otherwise including yams, all legumes (beans, peas, etc.).  Also lumped into this, but to a lesser extent are bananas, which don't necessarily trigger me, but are starchy in "feeling" and therefor must be limited as well as cooked carrots for the same reason.

My sugar elminate list is:  dried fruit, canned fruit, natural fruit juices (like grapefruit, apple and pinapple - as opposed to the berry concentrates that I add to club soda) and all forms of sugar except honey.

I have found that I don't binge and am not triggered by honey IF I use some in hot tea, which I do as a treat for myself.  That said, however, I ONLY add honey to my tea when I am immediately finished with a meal because of the LWOE.  If I consume tea outside of one of my 3 meals, it is without honey.


I have to eliminate these things because all of them are trigger foods for me.  There are TONS of type O's out there who can eat some or all of the neutral starches and sugars without having food issues and without gaining weight (or should say, can do so and still LOSE weight). I am not one of them.

This was never more clear than when I switched from being a Vegan to the BTD.  Starches and sugars are a huge problem for me and I have to eliminate them in order to lose weight.  Period.  

Darn-it!



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Yeah, there was a boot camp thread that almost got me going...but I haven't made it through a day yet without a rye crisp or a peice of kamut toast....I KNOW it would be the thing ....the key to more weight loss,... trying to get up the nerve...thanks for the feedback. Jayney-O


Janey-O.  The first 3 days are the most difficult.  They truly are.  Sometimes they are near impossible.  BUT, if you can make it through 3 days, it gets easier.  Not easy.  Easier.

Try this:

First, try implementing the LWOE (rules at the bottom) along with the no starch/ no sugar rule.  Eliminate what I have listed in the above post for 3 days.  Don't add the honey in for while - it might be a trigger for you.

The reason that you are struggling, most likely, is that you are still consuming something that is triggering the starch-craving while you are detoxing, which is hard enough on it's own.

THROW EVERY SINGLE BIT OF STARCH AND SUGAR OUT OF YOUR HOUSE. Don't just put it in the trash, unless you dump water on it first.  In times of desperation, the trash can just doesn't seem that dirty.

Take each moment at a time.  If you follow the LWOE, it helps because it keeps food to a specific time, and between those time, you don't eat.  Period.  Drink lots and lots and lots of filtered water and green teas (the green teas will help to up you metabolism). DON'T DRINK BLACK TEA.  I don't why, but it is also something that kills my willpower.

Take each meal at a time.  You only have 3 of them.  When mealtime hits, eat protein first.  This is one of the reason that I keep hard-boiled organic eggs in my fridge at all times.  If I am starving by the time meal time gets here, which I am for sure for the first 3 days, I peel one of those babies and get it in my mouth before anything else.  It takes the edge off.  If needed, I peel a second one, throw away the yolk and eat it.

Eat a piece of fruit with each meal for now.  I make a fruit salad of apples, grapefruit and grapes and keep it in the fridge.  I eat a portion of this at each meal. DO NOT ADD SUGAR OR JUICE OR ANYTHING TO THIS SALAD.  There is something about the combo of apples and grapefruits the calms my cravings.  I dont' know what it is.  Also, it is hard to overeat that particular combo.

When mealtime is done, close down the shop until the next meal.

You can do it.  This isn't your fault, you are just a person who is triggered (and possibly addicted to) starches, starchy foods and sugars most likely.




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I  think exercising is SOO important to weight loss.  It gets  you out of the house, focused on your body, feeling good about yourself, AND burns calories.  I know everyone doesn't have this luxury, but try try try to get in a brisk walk every day if possible.

I'm not trying to loose weight per say, but I've been trying to keep my base weight about two lbs. lighter for the past year since I had to quit running outside.  I have arthritis in my knees.  I was deathly afraid I'd gain weight by not running anymore, but I started walking a lot and going to the gym and using the eliptical trainer.  It burns about 100 calories every 10 minutes if you go at it at a good clip.  I can get on there and burn 400 calories about 4 times a week.  

I know it's hard to MAKE yourself fit that into the day, but it makes all the difference.  Remember,  the BTD reminds us type O's need a lot of really physical exercise... heart pumping exercise.  Years ago before I started running I suffered from bouts of depression.. nothing major.. just  the blues.. Exercise cures all that!!  I haven't felt that way in years and years and years.. so... get out and get the radio or Ipod and feel your body really MOVING...!!!

Also, I  totally agree about the protein thing, especially at breakfast.. and don't skip meals.. don't eat ANYTHING between meals.. make meals special and enjoy  and savor every bite.  Good luck!
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I noticed that a couple of you are former veggies like myself, could be that we actually are addicted to carbs due to over use of them (as someone suggested)...I know I used to eat a LOTTA pasta, also rice, beans, baguette,... lived on it. (literally.) I really appreciate the detailed advise. I am looking at my situation this way: no grains, no beans, no juice, some fruit, some squashes, the sweet potato issue is another story. LOVE the stuff. It may be a problem, may not....I would limit its use to maybe a third of a cup with dinner, or something....will se how that works...the not eating between meals is a GOOD rule, a real killer hard one, too.Again, thanks for the great support! Jayney-O
PS: I never eat sugar or sweetener....go figure! It hasn't called to me,( now bread....!)

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why only three meals a day, why not six mini meals, what is the reasoning



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why only three meals a day, why not six mini meals, what is the reasoning



It's in the book about leptin management.  Leptin is a hormone that is produced in the fat cells.  It was discovered in 1996 and has found to be one of the most important keys in managing weight, insulin levels and all sorts of other things.  I'm pretty tired right now, but the gist of it is that it takes approximately 3.5 hours for your body to process the various feedback systems that are created when you eat, including leptin.  After the three hours, it needs some time to reset until you eat again (the probably isn't exactly right, but a lay-man's view on what I read).  If you eat any food, including honey in tea or milk in coffee, etc. between meals, you throw your whole leptin system off, possibly creating leptin resistance which can cause all sorts of problems, including weight gain.  Our body have a very specific rythm, and eating lots of small meals throws this rythm off.

Eating nothing before bed lets your body go through all of it's digestive process, including leptin circulation, then puts your body into prime fat burning as you sleep.

Again, I would read the book, "Mastering Leptin" by Richards and Richards.  It's kind of a tough read because it is not well written, but it is chock full of info on this, and made lots of sense to me when I read it.

Here is a link:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi.....s=books&n=507846


According to this book, managing leptin is vital.  Doing so will help all sorts of health issues as well as help US to get rid of that fat around the middle.


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Wow, meat is good. I would have previously wished to be an A, for the veggie style of eating


Same here.  But the health detriments weren't worth saving a few animals.

But look at the bright side.  You may have to kill some animals for food, but you get to spare the plants.

Just don't go picket for plant's rights, or something equally ridiculous.  That would be worse than PETA.




DISCLAIMER:  The above information is garnered from personal experience.  This advice is not intended to replace that of a trained medical professional.  Although, personally, I wouldn't trust most trained medical professionals to have the knowledge or know-how to trim my toenails.
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Regarding carb intake:

It's my understanding that carbs are fast fuel for the body.  Carbs will only add to weight gain if one isn't burning them.  The body stores all carbs that aren't worked off as glycogen first and then as fat stores.  

So it seems that exercise would be the key to being able to consume carbs without additional weight gain.


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well, obviously I continue to eat a lot of plants,.....I never saw plants in the same way as I see animals. It is still difficult to know that animals give up their lives for us to live. Although maybe animals living to a ripe old age isn't really the important part of life for them as it is for us, since we gather wisdom. It may be that that is part of the law of nature...mysterious, I'm not claiming to understand it. I feel gratitude  for the food  I'm given. Jayney-0  (thanks for joining in the thread...there's a lot of us...former veg.)
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well, obviously I continue to eat a lot of plants,.....I never saw plants in the same way as I see animals. It is still difficult to know that animals give up their lives for us to live.


Here's the way I see it:  it is all about balance.  There are herbivores, there are omnivores, and then there are carnivores.

If ALL animals were herbivores, then there wouldn't be many plants left on this planet, because there would be nobody to curb the growth rate.

If ALL animals were carnivores, then there wouldn't be many animals left on this planet, because everyone would be eating everyone else.

From a naturalistic standpoint, meat-eaters are a necessary evil.  Not that nature is concerned with the idea of evil.



DISCLAIMER:  The above information is garnered from personal experience.  This advice is not intended to replace that of a trained medical professional.  Although, personally, I wouldn't trust most trained medical professionals to have the knowledge or know-how to trim my toenails.
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