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Chanur
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Here's an explanation of the tiers from one of Heidi's old columns:

On The Diet With Heidi Merritt 22 July, 2003

Hi, Heidi! I was reading your column today (July 19) and noticed that Eagle seemed confused about the Tier Two diet, so I thought I would offer my interpretation. Here goes: EVERYONE should eat according to the Tier ONE food lists, and everyone should choose Beneficials over Neutrals as often as possible. If you desire only moderate compliance, that's as far as you need to go--and you can pretend that all of the foods in the Tier TWO list have the value "Neutral." If, on the other hand, you desire stricter (Tier TWO level) compliance, then you should eat according to BOTH lists COMBINED--not just the list labeled "Tier Two." So if you have been ignoring the distinction between the tiers and treating them as one big list, then you're already aiming for Tier TWO compliance! The way I personally use the Tier system is this: I strive to avoid all foods marked AVOID on either list (Tier TWO compliance), but if I know that circumstances are going to require me to eat an AVOID food, I try to make it one of the ones on the "Tier Two" list because I figure that these are the lesser evils. Anyway, I hope this helps clear up any lingering confusion (and Heidi, feel free to correct me if my own understanding is skewed). --Sarah in PA

Hallelujah! Absolutely! And I missed this issue entirely in my reply to Eagle (sorry girl!) -- thanks again, Sarah!!

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I would like to add to that information with regard to weight loss. I do better when I follow the guidelines from Dr. D's Diabetes book even though I am not and never have been diabetic. I think that others have made this same observation in the past as well like Cheryl Hendrix (Cheryl O Blogger).

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5HTP = precoursor for serotoninbuildings and very usefull for us in case of real depressions; but there's something else called L'tryptophan as an amino-acid- I don't know but I think this is a little different because the 5HTP is an extract of a plant- but
results must be very similar  and if I am well informed= no weight-gain with this stuff what can't be expected from ssri's!!!
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You guys are a bundle of info....Wish I could absorb all I've read. I also just finished reading another book called " The Maker's Diet" I'm very confused because I follow a Christian lifestyle and I'm a bit concerned that ERFYBT is based solely on Evolution. Well I believe in Creation, now what do I do??. There has to be other Christian's following this plan and I'd love to hear what they have to say....I so desperately want this to work, I need to get this weight off!!!!!





Mom to 4 B's...living with extreme food allergies to wheat, all dairy, eggs and pineapple !! ( Me, not the kids..)

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I'm a Christian & a strong believer in Creationism.  I've had success with the Blood Type Diet.  The fact that Dr. D'adamo's worldview is Evolution doesn't pose a problem because it only pertains to his beliefs on the beginning of blood types, not to his findings on how foods interact w/ certain blood types.  His theories on eating according to your blood type are his own personal observations & documented experimentation, whereas his views on the origin of blood types are based on evolutionary theory, which, along with Creationism, is something a person takes on faith because none of us were witnesses to the beginnings of the Universe, no matter what way you think it began.
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I agree with theminx. Also, you might like to read one of my blogs from last month called Puzzle Pieces. I know there are other Christians who follow this diet, too. Suzanne Graham is another blogger that comes to mind at the moment.

Here's a link to that past blog in case you would like to read it.
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/u/archives/00000044.htm

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perhaps will we be able to look for the first thing=

we are humans...... became later or earlier in our life what we call*spiritual humans*
so what you creat yourself

and dear friends remind that you are your own creator of all actions, days, missunderstandings,faults, etc.... none of this can be taken from yourself if not from
your *self*

we are all influenced from several *spiritual ways* equal their name is, but please remember  we are all humans with same right and of course duties for earth and our lives....so lets share it.... equal of nationality or religion- take care about separations!

                            Thanks
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Thank-you...I so needed to hear other peoples views...Question for the Minx...You said you've had great success with the Eat right diet...Weight loss?? Health related?? I need to hear some weight loss stories...HOW MUCH.... How long did it take...I have eaten 70% Beneficials and 30% Neutrals for 2 weeks now ( only avoid I really can't rid myself of yet is 1 meduim coffee with cream..now down to instant coffee with milk..slow but sure)  ...I've  not lost an ounce!!! and I'm so beyond Bitchy I scare myself!..my whole family( They are all B+'s)  are eating Ezekiel 4:9 bread, won't let any other bread in the house..Can't find Dr. D's Diabetic book, checked Chapter's...Someone suggested this for weight loss...I should really get this secretor thing done too.....so many things, so little time





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Hey Girly, I've lost almost 12 lbs. now in the last 6 weeks.  Health wise, my hot flashes aren't nearly as bad as they were.  I've been eating almost all beneficials.  I had my blood analyzed by The Southwest College for Naturopathic Medicine.  They tell you your ABO, secretor & MN staus, & w/c A subtype you are.  These were all determining factors in what foods I could eat.  I'm going by the lists in Live Right 4 Your Type.  I'm borrowing the Eat Right 4 Your Type Encyclopedia from the library to find out what supplements I can take for my various health problems.
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I've "lost" (don't want to find it and get any of it back!) over 60 pounds since starting BTD.  I admit that I've re-gained and then re-lost about 13 of that, but it was always 100% traceable to my straying from the AB diet.

The two most important things for me are: getting in the exercise (helps with the weight loss and keeps my mood more level during stress) and using the lists from Dr. D's Health Library series Diabetes book.

When I "behave" myself I shed an average of 10-12 lbs of excess fat per month. This did not happen immediately though. It took some time for me to adjust to eating this way even after I "got" the idea. Generally, everyone's body has years worth of bad eating choices to correct. Your body does want to be well and will take the time to repair itself first so that it can lose the extra weight.

With some of the major upheavals my life has had in it since January of this year (don't worry, I won't go into any of it here) I must be honest and admit that I have not been losing any additional pounds, but I have stayed on the general diet which has kept me from my annual severe sinus infection around Easter (annual pre-BTD that is) as well as other things...like gaining back what I have thus far managed to get rid of and I didn't lose my muscle tone during periods of inactivity like I used to and no really nasty PMS.

When I have more time, I will write out the AB list values that I use from the Diabetic book so that you can use them until you can find your own copy.

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NOTES: For the sake of time & space I am only listing the beneficials and the neutrals that are allowed frequently unless I tell you otherwise.

Also, I find I personally get the best results when I have turkey 2x week, fish 5x, all four of the allowed eggs, and all 4oz of the cheeses plus the other allowed dairy items. I have two lamb shoulder chops about once every 3 weeks instead of one of the turkey servings. This does not mean that you are this way. I am only telling you this to show you that each person has to play with the values and choices some to fine tune it to her/himself.

These are the Diabetics BTD values for AB secretors:

Beneficial: lamb, mutton, rabbit, turkey
Neutral: goat, ostrich, and pheasant

Super Beneficial: cod, mackerel, red snapper, salmon, and sardines
Beneficial: grouper, mahi-mahi, monkfish, pickerel, pike, porgy, sailfish, shad, escargot/snails, sturgeon, and tuna
Neutral: abalone, bluefish, bullhead, carp, catfish, chup , craker, cusk, drum , halfmoon fish, harvest fish, fresh herring, mullet, muskellunge, opaleye, orange roughy, parrot fish, all perch, pollock, pompano, rosefish, scrod, scup, shark, smelt, sucker, sunfish, swordfish, tilapia, tilefish, tuna, and weakfish

Super Benefical: Kefir (personal note: watch out for FOS - itís not good for ABís), goat milk, yogurt
Beneficial: cottage cheese, chicken eggs, farmers cheese, feta, goat cheeses, mozzarella, ricotta, sour cream
Neutral: casein, cream cheese, edam, goose & quail eggs, gouda, gruyere, Jarlsberg, meunster, neufchatel, paneer, quark, string cheese, whey

Benefical: olive & walnut oils
Neutral: almond, black currant seed, borage, canola, castor, cod liver, evening primrose, flax (linseed), peanut, and soy oils

Super Benefical: peanut, peanut butter, walnut (black & English)
benefical: chestnut
neutral: almond, almond butter, almond cheese, almond milk, beechnut, butternut, flax (linseed), hickory, lychee/litchi, pignolia (pine nut)

The quantity per serving for beans changes to 1 cup (cooked).
Super Benefical: miso, soy bean, tempeh, tofu
Benefical: green lentils, navy bean, pinto bean
neutral: green/snap/string bean, cannellini, copper bean, brown and red lentils, northern bean, peas (green, pod, and snow), soy cheese, soy milk, tamarind bean, and white bean

Benefical: amaranth, essene/manna bread, Ezekiel 4:9 bread, millet, oat bran, oat flour, oatmeal, whole rice, wild rice, rice bran, rice cake, whole rye, rye flour/products, soy flour/products, whole spelt
Neutral: barley, couscous, spelt flour/products, quinoa

Veggies: list of neutrals allowed infrequently (defined as 1x month or less) and avoids is MUCH shorter so here those are instead:
Neutrals - infrequent: carrot, daikon radish, olive (Greek, green, and Spanish), poi, potato (white), pumpkin, taro
AVOID: aloe, artichoke, corn, mushroom (abalone & shiitake), black olives, all pepper, all pickles, radish/sprouts, rhubarb

Fruit: same type of list as the veggies because itís so much shorter:
Neutrals - infrequent: apricot, asian pear, breadfruit, canang melon, cantaloupe, casaba melon, Christmas melon, Crenshaw melon, currants, dates, honeydew, prunes, raisin, and tangerines
AVOID: avocado, banana, bitter melon, coconut, dewberry, guava, loganberry, mango, orange, persimmon, pomegranate, prickly pear, quince, sago palm, starfruit (carambola)

Super Beneficial: Green Tea
Benefical: Red Wine
Neutral: beer, seltzer water, club soda, white wine

The spices are lengthy so hereís the super bene, bene, and some of the neutrals:
Super Benefical: ginger & turmeric
Benefical: garlic, horseradish, blackstrap molasses, oregano, parsley
Neutrals: basil, bay leaf, caraway, cardamom, carob, chili powder, chives, cilantro, cinnamon, cloves, cream of tartar, cumin, dill, juniper, mace, marjoram, mint, dry mustard, nutmeg, paprika, rosemary, sage, savory, sea salt, tarragon, thyme, vanilla, yeast

The herb teas are lengthy too, so hereís some of them:
Super Benefical: dandelion, ginseng, licorice root (donít use the licorice if you have high blood pressure unless its the DGL type)
Benefical: alafalfa, burdock, chamomile, echinacea, ginger, hawthorn, parsley, rosehip, strawberry leaf
Neutral: peppermint, raspberry leaf, sage, sarsparilla, spearmint, thyme, yarro, yellow dock (thereís more herbs in this category, but itís fairly long)

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O.K. Chanur you are an absolute DOLL !!!!! To take the time to write all that very much appreciated. ...60 pounds, well hope for me yet. Because there seems to be so few AB's around a wish I could buy a book just for our bloodtype solely ( maybe to come... Dr. D Recipes for everyday living just made easy...I also live with a family of B's. For me to be AB... Would one of my parents be AB?? Anyway I am printing this list Chanur and will try my hardest to stick to it..( I'm sitting her eating spelt flakes..pretty good with raisens and vanilla soymilk)
Cheers to you all...Girly





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...I also live with a family of B's. For me to be AB... Would one of my parents be AB??


No, one of your parents doesn't have to be AB, but one or both could be.


FIFHI; ISTP;
Started BTD 3/2002, with 2 O- secretor teenage sons
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O.K. another question...as you see I still have not got my secretor test done...not that easy to find here in Canada !!! I must send away and then the duty thing and customs  !!!! But I'm thinking I might be a nonny...firstly because I carry a lot of extra weight 60 pound easy I definately am addicted to carbs...muffins, bread, ect...and retain a lot of water....vericose veins, bad circulation in my legs...and having problems with my teeth...cavities in between back teeth and under old white fillings ( no mercury in my mouth) and I am constantly ANGRY and STRESSED. I never feel calm or at peace...I read in another thread about Anger and Liver function...Hummmm sounds like me. So anyway do nonnies have some traits that are easily tracked??
It's so strange..If AB's are so rare I must attact them...my sister-in-law ( no blood relation) is AB+ and my daughter's best friend is AB+
Thanks for any help guys





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girly,
................or one parent an A and the other a B.....
passing to you the A and the B allele...


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