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Kristin
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As a fellow INFP, have you had difficulty staying on the diet without others around who are also interested in it? (Maybe you do have others... if so you are very fortunate!!)
WoodsWoman


No, I have not had difficulty following the BTD... a little more difficulty adjusting to the GTD though...  

We do follow the BTD but at one point there were 3 different blood types with 2 nonnies and 2 secretors in my household. So there were always avoids around.



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Thank you for your help.
  It is weird that I do not fit any of those profiles at all. At least I do not think they sound like me when I read the descriptions.Good thing I have the measurements too.
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Hi folks,
I'm new here, and this seems like a good place to say "Hello."
... so hello!!

I'm a B Rh+ Secreter - and 99% sure on being a Nomad. I live in Maine and there seems to be very few BTDers or GTDers from this area (I see NH is represented somewhere on the forum, though).

My difficulty is cold weather and craving those 'comfort' foods. When it's cold out, I don't want my food cold - i.e. salads, and salads seem to be the most efficient way to get sufficient "live foods" consumed daily. I miss milk and cream - cream soups are so warming. ...oh, well...
WoodsWoman


Welcome, Woodswoman from Maine!  It's extremely cold here today, also.  It's amazing to find someone else who does not like their food cold.  I don't even like cold water and always drink it warm or hot.  Friends always are aghast when they see me warming up the water at the tap so I can drink it.

I'm glad we have this B thread as I feel our forum community might spread out, and perhaps thin out, with the six GenoTypes and I would lose the context of people's thoughts.  I guess at the moment we're all trying to settle into our niches with this genotyping and after that we can talk about lots of other things, too.
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Well.... what other things would you like to talk about, NHG?


I think us B's will always be quirky as ever....  



Bitterly cold here too... and has been since December which is quite unusual along the front range where I live. This is by far the coldest winter I can remember. And lots of snow in the high country... which makes for lots of avalanche warnings too. The mountain run-off is expected to be extreme this year which makes for dangerous rapids in the rivers. Guess I won't go river rafting this year. Or if I do, I'll wait until late in the season when the rivers won't be quite so fast.


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My Nomad husband wants to go rafting with you.  The more dangerous, the better.  He'll have to settle for digging fossils out of the Peace River in central Florida (one of our favorite vacation spots).

We haven't put Mr. Ribbit on the Nomad diet yet, but we have read through the list.  He's pretty happy about it, although he says he absolutely will not give up chocolate for 3-6 months.  It's neat to him how he instinctively "knew" certain things were bad for him, like tomatoes, even though he was allowed them on the BTD.  He's disapointed in the mango status, as he loves, loves, loves them.  The turkey status he laughed it.  "Turkey is a woman's food.  Give me red meat.  Give me blood.  Turkey is not beneficial for me."


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About chocolate - no I won't give it up, at least not entirely, but I have given up coffee in the last two weeks... my favorite hot beverage - Waaahhh!!! Green tea with honey just isn't the same, though I'm beginning to enjoy it. --I allow myself one cup of coffee if I'm eating out, but none at home.

I've found that totally denying myself some particular thing causes me to want it even more. So cutting back is better than cold turkey on things that I have enjoyed and shouldn't have.
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I'm not giving up chocolate, either.  I'm adamant about that!

I'm not sure what else to talk about, Kristin, except maybe the fact I'm excited about discovering two authors I had never known before.  One is "Perfect Love" by Elizabeth Buchan and the other book is "Silent in the Grave" by Deanna Raybourn.  I highly recommend these two books and I shall read more by these authors.

I ate some Gouda cheese last night.  It's hard to eat just a little.
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I'm not giving up chocolate, either.  I'm adamant about that!


Woo Hoo!!! B's around the world unite against the status of chocolate injunction!! So glad to see that other B's feel the same way. We're a feisty bunch!



Today I had a big steaming mug of the most delicioso hot chocolate made with goat's milk and Ghirardelli's sweet ground chocolate. It so frigid outside that when I got home I just had to have some.  So I did.   And it was heaven!  



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Quoted from Kristin


Woo Hoo!!! B's around the world unite against the status of chocolate injunction!! So glad to see that other B's feel the same way. We're a feisty bunch!



Today I had a big steaming mug of the most delicioso hot chocolate made with goat's milk and Ghirardelli's sweet ground chocolate. It so frigid outside that when I got home I just had to have some.  So I did.   And it was heaven!  



Let me join you  as well
However I have noticed that since I gave up on my one and only midmorning-cup of coffee
I dont eat as much chocolate as I used to  

Well I must admit that right now I have a cup of decaffeinated coffee with whole jersey milk- a bowl of pecan nuts and chocolate
I dont know why   but I just forgot that I was not supposed to have the decaffeinated coffee and chocolate yet...
There are a few other * dot foods that I wont leave behind.... Rebellious me

I really think that Im far healthier after living the BTD way in more than 8 years than a brand-new GTD person who comes from a normal crappy diet...and I have never been a all or nothing girl..

Well we have the most strange winter here...
mainly one low pressure after another keeps hitting Denmark - fairly mild ( 3-8 c and almost no frost) lots of rain and wind... it does feel cold due to the water and wind- and people seem more sick than normal- I guess a summer with much less sun than normal is part of that too.
It is so grey and dark and since Im out of job right now I find it difficult to really wake up
- I feel more like sitting the sofa reading books, dreaming about what Im doing in my garden from March on and drinking tea and eating goodies.

At least I have a jumpy Sienna  who needs a good walk every day
and my mum who needs to be taken to the gym 2 a week-( those lazy Os   )
or I would just become a couch potato




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I'm wondering what's the matter with me!   I have been measured three times and I realize I'm a Nomad, which is fine, but I feel as if I don't care.  I liked the BTD and it worked wonders with my husband who is an A secretor and I'm practically wishing I had never bought the GenoType book.  I'm just plain apathetic about it.  Where is my enthusiasm???  Furthermore, the tenor of this forum has changed and I don't feel so connected.  Boo-hoo.  I don't belong to another forum and I always looked forward to opening up this site every day to see what we can talk about, now.  

Yes, I used to have more enthusiasm.  And this from a very enthusiastic kind of gal.
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If it helps any, I feel somewhat similar....  

I think we B's tend to get lost in the shuffle. I'm not sure why that is... but that's what I feel sometimes....

Have you noticed on the survey by blood type that the B's are the only ones that do not show a marked preference for the GTD? Although a very small sample, I think there is some relevance there but not sure what that means in the scheme of things.

Change brings up many different things for folks, too, and we all have our coping mechanisms. My tendency is to disappear for awhile, and I have alot of stress in my life now which isn't helping cope so much with change.

Regarding lack of enthusiasm... perhaps you are one of the B's that would be better to stick with the BTD? At least half of us are.... so far...

Oh... and something I've noticed on the GTD is that I feel more of a tendency to "cheat" while eating out, as the Nomad plan is more restrictive than what I was eating before. I almost never felt that on the BTD and if avoids came with a meal, I would ignore them or eat only a bite. Now I feel the desire to order  complete avoid meals. It's weird.... a sign of rebellion, I think...


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I'm wondering what's the matter with me!   I have been measured three times and I realize I'm a Nomad, which is fine, but I feel as if I don't care.  I liked the BTD and it worked wonders with my husband who is an A secretor and I'm practically wishing I had never bought the GenoType book.  I'm just plain apathetic about it.  Where is my enthusiasm???  Furthermore, the tenor of this forum has changed and I don't feel so connected.  Boo-hoo.  I don't belong to another forum and I always looked forward to opening up this site every day to see what we can talk about, now.  

Yes, I used to have more enthusiasm.  And this from a very enthusiastic kind of gal.


wow........................................................
that just like totally explained my situation! im waiting to find out my secretor status so until then i have just been sticking to btd, but i dont even no if i want to switch over to gtd, i didnt want my book either!! definately no enthusiam so far....
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Well I went on the BTD from not having tomatos as a B to having them as a Bnonnie to no having them as a Nomad. Kind of messed up my organic gardening hobby of raising heirloom tomatos. I am retooling to specialize in peppers this year, cucumbers, winter squash ,and eggplant which went all the way up to diamond status. A southerner who can't eat collard though! There is no justice. It was bad enough not eating cornbread and grits, socially that is. I don't even miss corn products anymore. I had also got in the habit of avoiding bread so no real biggie there. I actually like the change in status on dairy. The cheese selection is much better. The bean and nuts selection is better to. Not to thrilled with the genotype site so far but I promised to give it a full three months before deciding if cancelling was called for. The nomad forum section is dead, the recipes are often missleading. The sample menus over emphasize dairy and under emphasize meat, turkey, fish, or a wide selection of vegetables. Still I'll give it two more months.

I do regret the splitting up of the B's, I missed being a gather by about 1/16 of an inch on the finger measurements. Just an 1/8 inch difference.
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I'm absolutely stunned by the comments following my note.  Maybe I hit on something, meaning Bs have a little harder time coming to terms with the GenoType Diet.  Why is that?  I feel as Kristen does, a bit of rebellion when I eat out.  I had no trouble eating out before and sticking to the diet.  Now, it's a don't care attitude.  Well, this is not good!  I'm going to have to make up my mind, go back to the BTD or have a complete makeover of mind for the GTD.  

I just don't feel that I fit into any of the GTD categories well enough.  I'm not going to spend all my time complaining.  I just have to make up my mind which diet to follow.

I am so grateful for the feedback regarding this.  Another reason to stick around on this forum.  You all are very special!
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I'm absolutely stunned by the comments following my note.  Maybe I hit on something, meaning Bs have a little harder time coming to terms with the GenoType Diet.  Why is that?  I feel as Kristen does, a bit of rebellion when I eat out.  I had no trouble eating out before and sticking to the diet.  Now, it's a don't care attitude.  Well, this is not good!  I'm going to have to make up my mind, go back to the BTD or have a complete makeover of mind for the GTD.  

I just don't feel that I fit into any of the GTD categories well enough.  I'm not going to spend all my time complaining.  I just have to make up my mind which diet to follow.

I am so grateful for the feedback regarding this.  Another reason to stick around on this forum.  You all are very special!


Glad I'm not the only B that feels whacky. I tested weak for Gatherer and strong for Explorer. Of course the book says this could happen but I don't feel good on either Explorer or Gatherer.



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Focused you need to know if you are a secretor or not and your rh pos or neg status to be sure of your GTD status. Like there is a small difference in the size of my finger on the right versus the left side but the ring finger is longer than the forefinger on each side and my rh is pos. That ruled out explorer thankfully. My ring fingers are just enough longer than my forefingers (consistant over several measureings)to rule out gatherer though my nonsecretor status and family history of diabetes allmost pushed me there.The result is I will probably not sweat an occasional trace of tomato but I will be very vigilant over corn and wheat. Also black dot or not the only chicken I will ever eat is accidental chicken broth(other peoples cooking). Like I said with a couple of exceptions I like the nomad food lists. Beats the heck out of the explorer list though I could probably have adapted to the gatherer list if I had to being a Bnonnie.
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hallo B buddies,

Confused, not fitting in, rebellious..me also, Gah!

I am on the explorer diet, I like the foodlists, But as I have said before I feel after being on the BTD I don't need to d-Tox as much as say a standard chemicalized dieter coming here for the first time- like yousay too Henriette! gee we are good at making our own rules   But if we really want to silence those rowdier less-appealing genes we should be toughen up and comply yes!?

The thing is I liked the rules on BTD, I felt they were achievable, I liked that I could be firm & confident in my choices about food. Now until I feel certain about my Genotype I feel a little bit of a dilution in the impact of GTD for me.-but is this only as i keep comparing to BTD.? It is ironic that the rules were what I probably found most to complain about before! oh contradiction.

Anyhow, keeps us gardeners guessing! I am raising some artichoke seeds and putting in more herbage like rosemary and sage and thyme. Also helping my inherited chilli pepper plants thru a hot but not too dry summer... I have also inherited a lemon tree and a passionfruit vine..yet to see them flower though...

The measuring gave me mixed results, I have not gone back to the book just yet, but when I do I know it will either be explorer or gatherer. Need to schedule it in for someone to help me do those measurements for the 1000th time lol.

I have noticed I am not missing milk, ricotta and buttermilk are really filling that space for me now -NO beer is another story!

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Focused you need to know if you are a secretor or not and your rh pos or neg status to be sure of your GTD status. Like there is a small difference in the size of my finger on the right versus the left side but the ring finger is longer than the forefinger on each side and my rh is pos. That ruled out explorer thankfully. My ring fingers are just enough longer than my forefingers (consistant over several measureings)to rule out gatherer though my nonsecretor status and family history of diabetes allmost pushed me there.The result is I will probably not sweat an occasional trace of tomato but I will be very vigilant over corn and wheat. Also black dot or not the only chicken I will ever eat is accidental chicken broth(other peoples cooking). Like I said with a couple of exceptions I like the nomad food lists. Beats the heck out of the explorer list though I could probably have adapted to the gatherer list if I had to being a Bnonnie.

Thanks Gulfcoastguy,

I am Bneg but don't know secretor status. When looking over the various diets I think that Nomad wuld be the one I would be most comfortable with. Those finger lengths are crucial and I have measured and remeasured. Left D4 is longer than the rest.



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Hello folks

I have mixed feelings about the Genotype too, I feel I have somehow lost some Bness by becoming a Gatherer (I'm more common now  ) but also it has given me some useful information at a time when i had become a bit stuck. And it looks like at least chocolate is ok for me (not that I eat a huge amount).

So I have now started to incorporate some Yerba Mate tea, and celery and Quark...as it turns out  broccoli really doesn't agree with me...So in a way, although it's confusing it's also given me a boost. (I also have the incentive of getting married later this year to try and keep me on track)



8 feb 2008:Weight Loss on GTD so far (without trying): 4 kilos (about 8 lbs - half a stone)
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Woo Hoo Ellie!!!  

You're getting married... congratulations!!

Tell more, please!!!!


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Congratulations, Ellie.  How did you two meet?  What kind of wedding are you planning?
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How it warms my heart to see other Bs (even with different gt) feeling the same as me..
and I agree I dont think the forum is not the same any more.

How lovely to see  Ellie again  ( Im a bad girl- havnt mailed to you   so sorry - been really sad and feeling overwhelmed.

Well I still follow GTD in the way that I use a lot of my new SF/diamond foods... but I have had to add dairy back to my diet... I just got so bad without it.
It is so strange: but if I use the strength test and the foodlist as well as the mental description
I  would be 90 % sure I was nomad - but my weird fingers and rh- = explorer...


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I believe that the Forum will even itself back out in time.  We are in the midst of a transition right now, and that can be  unsettling and confusing.  Some ambivalence is to be expected.  

I am trying to be patient through it all, because I remember childbirth.  The most difficult part for me was the Transition stage between first stage labor (the dilation) and second stage (pushing).  The urge to push, but having to wait until dilation was complete was excruciating!  It felt like it would last forever and I also doubted my ability to handle it.  

I have come to look at all transitions with this memory in mind.  Transitions give people a hard time.  Once we get our footing and have a clear idea of where we are, and what we need to do, then we can just get on with it.    



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I am sticking to the GTD for awhile even though I tested about 50/50 for each diet. But yeah, I am also finding it harder to stick to than the B diet and falling off once in awhile when I wasn't doing any of that on BTD. Maybe because of the lack of dairy and eggs in the Explorer diet, so the foods are being rotated more often and maybe I'm just bored with the same ones coming around so soon again. But I think that the root of the problem with me on the GTD is that I don't have nearly enough information to feel connected to it.


I'm onto you, 'euphoria'
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I read a couple of these posts to my B husband and asked him what he thought.  He said, "I just miss all my old cheeses.  I don't like Brie."


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