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Melissa_J
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I'm trying to help somebody with severe depression, problem is she's in the depths of it right now.  She has decided to try to give up wheat, but any stories you have on the success of this would be very inspiring. Particularly Os, or anybody who greatly benefitted from giving up wheat.

I didn't really monitor it, myself, but gradually noticed that I felt better in that regard.  If any of you started the diet because of depression and monitored your progress with it, I'd love to hear about it.  

I know the intestines are actually very important in the production of neurotransmitters, and in signalling the rest of the body as to what to focus on, but my understanding of all of it is still sketchy.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.

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Here's my story (although I think everyone here probably has it memorized, I've told it so much! *chuckle*): I started eating the BTD O secretor food plan about two years ago. Didn't really give up grains and legumes, but I did cut down quite a bit.

Then this past October I tried the O nonnie plan and ditched grains and legumes. Wheat was the biggest problem for me and has been since I was a child. I have had severe, debilitating pain in my ankles, knees, hips, lower back, and especially in my right shoulder and up my neck, for years. I couldn't even walk a hundred feet to the mailbox without ending up in bed in terrible pain. I've been diagnosed with incomplete fibromyalgia and had all the symptoms--chronic fatigue, memory loss, 'fibro fog', and depression. I'm talking black dog depressions, very frightening. Add massive panic and anxiety attacks which would come out of nowhere in the small hours of the morning and leave me frantic with desperation that I would have to endure this for the rest of my days. All this on top of menopause and the worst hot flashes ever!

Two weeks into the nonnie diet and being wheat-free, the constant pain was beginning to fade. Two months later, I started walking for exercise--and enjoying it--for the first time in ten years. Best of all, the anxiety attacks started to fade away, and the depression began to lift--slowly, but it still receded a little every day. I didn't realize wheat was causing the attacks until I had a small serving of bread stuffing at Thanksgiving and woke up that night with my first panic attack in over a month. The link between eating the bread and the attack was very clear. I've noticed since then that any time I eat a grain-based dish or bread (with the exception of rice), my heart races, I have shortness of breath, and inevitably a panic or anxiety attack. And I thought I was just going crazy!

Even now, with my compliance levels down, I'm still feeling so much better than I did that it's a total miracle. It takes a little while for the changes to show up, but when they do, it's amazing. Giving up avoids was well worth it!


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Thank you so much!  Keep em coming!

I'm starting a batch of my favorite brownies for her now, and will take them and your great stories to her tomorrow.


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Dear Melissa,

First of all it was very depressing giving up wheat in this family of O's that no one was willing to change even for their health...

Especially since all our life we ate, being 1/2 Italian, pasta,pasta, pasta, sausage. Italian bread, Pizza, Pizza, Pizza...get the picture? The other half was Polish-- potatoes, noodles, cabbage, ham ...get the picture? Add diabetes to the list, 25 - 30 lbs. overweight, uncooperative kids and so, I was depressed too!

I flipped to one diet after the other and nothing seemed to work over the long run. When I read about BTD at first all I did was moan about the things I could not eat making me more depressed, instead of looking closely at ALL the things I could eat and realizing that there were more things that I could eat that I liked than those of which I couldn't.

Now giving up wheat was the most depressing. But, I looked to see what I could replace it with. SPELT. Spelt is a wonderful grain that does not have the bitterness of wheat. You can use the white variety flour or the whole grain flour or as I found to do, I use both.

There are lots of recipies from Vita Spelt Co. their number is on the bag of flour (I called and they sent recipies) I purchased at the health food store. I have had more fun and frustration (spelt is a bit drier than wheat) as my bread comes out a little crumbly. I'm working on it though. The point is....That my taking my mind off my imediate problems and just letting myself get into using spelt instead of wheat - the fun of tricking the family into praising my carrott cake and finding out I used (uck) spelt flour WAS THE TURNING POINT IN MY DEPRESSED STATE.. I even found a pasta maker at the Goodwill for $5.00 and had a blast making my own fettuchini out of white spelt flour! They melted in your mouth. I also tried making soup noodles for chicken soup pot pie - I used whole grain spelt for those -not as good as the white spelt.

I made these noodles when a friend came over. She comented on how "up" I was. I hadn't realized I was happy. Sort of forgetting about myself and thinking on what to try next to outsmart my 7 kids and skeptical husband. My Pizza is the talk of my group of friends. Every Friday is Pizza night in our house.
Everybody gets invited over for pizza! When I switched over to spelt No one could believe that it was't my usual WW crust. It was tender and crispy on the edges. I think it is so much better tasting.

Another aspect of spelt flour is that it is very healing. It is said to pull toxins from the body and it is loaded with nutrients. So, maybe all the "elimination" that occurs after digesting spelt products is pulling the "junk" out of the body which physically and psycologically is poisoning our mental clarity. I don't know. All I know is that it is good for digestion and bowel movement (not uncomforting so) and it sure helped me get out of my slump, stopped focusing on" woe is poor ole me" (which I was doing big time) and started me having fun at the expense of my family and friends, by doing for others not just for me. I don't know if this helps. When I ccalled Vita Spelt and asked for recipies they sent me a notice of a book on spelt, the ancient grain. that coul be purchased from them. I sent for it -it was wonderful - call and order it , it was only a couple of dollars....

I have been off wheat for  almost a month now.  Most of my family too, though not willingly in some cases.  (I see the occasional loaf of junk bread stuffed in a corner with a package of eng. muffins or bagles)  But, the important thing is that most of us are feeling more awake during the day, more alert, and not so draggy by the end of school or work.  That in itself says a lot.  The wheat was killing us in spirit and in health...Mary

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Dear Melisa_J, my aunt was cured of heavy depression after drinking sage 3 cups a day for 1 month, with stopping 1 month, and again drinking it for 1 month. it has to be brewed strongly. she was visiting Paris[Frace] when she met french herbalist. she never looked back. Even with small offset she drinks sage. Alek




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From http://WWW.celiac.com I found this esplanation of Lisa Lewis, very interesting on the consequences of leaky gut and food intolerance as David's story  with schizophrenia in Heidi Merrit column.

Lisa Lewis on Autism, Casein and Celiac Disease
"Proteins consist of long chains of units known as amino acids. Normal proteins are digested by enzymes in the intestines and are broken down into these units. However, if for some reason this digestion is incomplete, short chains of these amino acids (known as peptides) will result. ....... The majority of these peptides will be dumped in the urine, (but) a small portion will cross into the brain and interfere with transmission in such a way that normal (brain) activity is altered or disrupted....." (snip. The articles goes on to explain that these peptides are biologically active & somewhat similar to opioid peptides.)
"It is well known that casein (from human or cow's milk) will break down in the stomach to produce a peptide known as casomorphine, which, as the name implies, will have opioid activities. Similar effects are noted with gluten from wheat and some other cereals ...in which the compounds formed are gluteomorphins (or gliadinomorphins)."
So some of us who are gluten sensitive are also casein sensitive, and a gluten ingestion will affect brain activity.


If you can print or e-mail this depressed person David's story it is inpiring on what food can do to your brain.

best wishes to help her recover
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Thank you everyone!  I have her rice brownies ready, and I hope to take a look at her hands when I see her, to do that screening for celiac disease.  She's been through IV vitamin therapy and probably some detox, as well as everything allopathic medicine can throw at her, including shock therapy.

If her hands look ok, maybe I'll advise her to try some spelt, kamut or rye.  Nobody in her house cooks, but perhaps her mom could try making her famous rolls with spelt flour, and that would really be a treat for her at this point.  Of course, even her mom has some white lines and osteoporosis, so I wouldn't be too surprised if she does have celiac disease.


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Melissa,

I find that my mood swings dramatically about three days after I accidentally eat even a trace of gluten (especially if it comes from wheat).  Before I started taking a mood stabilizer, these reactions were often intense enough to include suicidal thinking.  Rarely, my mood would skyrocket after I ate gluten (into hypomania), but depression was by far the norm.  Now, I can still tell when I ate something I shouldn't have, but the reaction isn't debilitating.  I consider avoidance of trigger foods an integral part of my treatment plan (instead of piling on more meds in the hopes of convincing myself that I can still eat anything I want with impunity!).

What's the hand screening for celiac disease?  I don't remember reading about it before.

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Check out my most recent blog, it goes into the celiac screening.

Thanks!


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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When I stopped eating (cane) sugar, including foods that contain sugar, I noticed that I stopped feeling despondent and wanting to die. When I had trace amounts of sugar, I became despondent and wanted to die. The connection was very clear to me.

Lately, however, I have been experiencing disturbing feelings, or lack of. And, I am wondering if it is food related, after reading your replies to this thread. Awhile ago, I decided to eat as an A nonnie - I began to reduce my consumption of corn products (my snack food staple). I would still have corn products without noticing drastic behavioral changes. On Friday, I went to a movie and had popcorn - justifiable treat . . . and then I ate meat on Saturday (pork), and then on Sunday (bacon) . . . truly, I rarely eat meat . . . so, Saturday, I'm noticing myself impatient, judgemental. Sunday, not too bad . . . but feeling disconnected. Lack of warm and fuzzy feelings. Then Monday, I am a raving lunatic and full of anger and disconnected from myself, my feelings.

I felt like this when I quit smoking a year ago April 27th. I felt like a stranger to myself, I felt like I was my worse self come to life, and in frustration, biting myself as I didn't know what else to do to connect . . . to not be where I was.

Sad but true.

It does feel like a chemical imbalance . . . caused by food??

I have also noticed that when I eat maple syrup, my moods fluctuate - I'm sensing that I am very addicted to sugar (now maple syrup) and corn. The thing is, when I eat corn, I feel yucky!

I don't know how to explain any clearer with words. Has/does anyone have experiences like these? I feel like such a freak.


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Many foods trigger mood swings for me: crying spells, irritability, yelling, or just general blah-ness.

Corn definitely gets in the way of my thinking, though it numbs me too much to notice if it gives me mood swings or not.  It is so hard to cut out completely, if you also react to corn derivatives, they're in every processed food and not labelled clearly at all.  Unfortunately it missed the cutoff of "important" allergens, as they only went up to 8, and corn is number 9, so labelling isn't going to improve anytime soon.

For me the usualy suspects are gluten, milk products, goat milk products, and maybe corn, coconut and sugar.  I suppose those maybe ones do make me feel at least disjointed.  Citric acid from corn totally puts me in another world, as far as the disjointedness goes.  It is strange to realize the effect food has on you, but at least once you figure it out, you can keep it in line.  That's the good news, though when you're stuck in the bad news, that good news seems like an upside down fairy tale.

I've reached a point where the only thing I expect from my food is pure fuel, no more is it a reward or a consolation prize or anything like that.  Hopefully I can keep that outlook on it, and keep a nourishing mindset about the whole deal.  If I think in any other way, then I cheat and pay big time for it.


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Quoted from Melissa_J
I've reached a point where the only thing I expect from my food is pure fuel, no more is it a reward or a consolation prize or anything like that. Hopefully I can keep that outlook on it, and keep a nourishing mindset about the whole deal. If I think in any other way, then I cheat and pay big time for it.



Amen to that!


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Yeah, corn so makes me feel like a zombie, and it's so hard to avoid.



DISCLAIMER:  The above information is garnered from personal experience.  This advice is not intended to replace that of a trained medical professional.  Although, personally, I wouldn't trust most trained medical professionals to have the knowledge or know-how to trim my toenails.
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After having a manic episode and a couple of anxiety attacks, I was diagnosed as having bi-polar depression. I was put on four prescription drugs-Paxil, Lithium, Xanax and Ambien. Shortly afterwards my ears started to ring and the doctor ordered a MRI on my brain to check for tumors. There was no way I would make it through 45 minutes in a tunnel without having an anxiety attack.
The day the MRI was scheduled, I went to lunch with a friend. He asked me if I had heard of a book about eating according to your blood type. I told him I had not, but that I had an appointment with another doctor who I thought did something with blood types. On the way back to my office I decided I should get the book. When I got back to work, I locked my door and prayed. As I was praying, my wife came to my office and said she had bought something for me. When she handed me the "Eat Right 4 Your Type" book, I knew it was an answer to my prayers. Also, she said while she was looking at the book, she noticed a gentleman watching her. He then mentioned to her that he was following that book and it helped him with depression and anxiety. To top it off, he then asked my wife if my ears were ringing and told her that his did too and that it would stop. I suddenly had total peace to go through the MRI- qhich was negative.
After following the O diet, I was able to discontinue all meds. And by the way, the "blood type" doctor, prescribed the "Eat Right 4 Your Type" book to me as well.

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Hello and Welcome Dean,

Fantastic testimonial! Congratulations for your success..

Please stop by member center by clicking the button top right and pick up your type O avatar (flag) so that you will not have to mention your blood type everytime you post.

Enjoy the forums,
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Congratulations dbrignac!

What a great success story!.  Can i ask how long you have been following the ER program?.  You give me hope that one day i can get off my anti-depressant!.

Mickey


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Mickey,

Thanks! It's been nearly 7 years. I got off the meds within 1 year. I think I could have gotten off sooner, but I was on the lowest doses and I was feeling fine. I actually cancelled my first appointment with the "blood type" doctor, long story but, a year later I made another appointment and with her guidance I discontinued the meds. I also supplemented with B-complex, essential fatty acids(Udo's Choice Oil Blend) and amino acids.

Dean
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I was going to mention an omega-3 supplement, also.  There have even been clinical studies showing that they helped mood disorders.

But the big one for me, too, is wheat.  I cut it out for other reasons (GI track problems) and what a wonderful and surprising (to me at the time) side effect!


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I just started taking fish oil at the advice of my doc.  It's suppose to be really good for depression and a good addition to anti-depressants.  The only thing is that i don't know if it's ok for us o-nonnies or not.  This question has been asked in the past but nobody has come up with a firm yes or no, as to whether o-nonnies can take it.  The one concern is that it may thin the blood.  I don't know what the consequence of thin blood is.   Do the benefits of taking the fish oil outweigh the thin blood issue?.  What exactly are the consequences of thin blood.  Does it only thin the blood when you take it or is it permanent.

Anyone have any ideas!!!

Thanks!
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"Let food be thy medicine"

Dr. D has said many times that it's not about what you don't eat but what you do eat that makes the difference.  "Quoted by Jane"
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I think the reason Dr. D. doesn't recommend fish oil for Os is that it can cause unfavorable mood changes.


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when i get depression i take rhodiola rosea


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I'll have to check with my doc to see if the rhodiola (?) will be ok to take with my anti-depressant.

Thanks!
Mickey


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Dr. D has said many times that it's not about what you don't eat but what you do eat that makes the difference.  "Quoted by Jane"
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Melissa, do you know if flax oil/borage oil combo would cause mood changes?  
I have tried fish oil in the past, but never seem to get much help from it.  But
once in a while I try flax/borage oil.  Just not on a regular basis.  I do think
I need more oils, I have really dry skin on my legs.  Anyway, thanks, this is a
great thread!
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i'm not sure but i seem to recall from somewhere borage being avoid correct me if i'm wrong anyone? schluggell?


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