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Beouemom
Thursday, November 4, 2004, 2:43am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Just got my blood work results back. I will write down the last 3 I have had done

4/03(pre BTD) 2/04(pre BTD) 10/04(6 months into the BTD)

Cholesterol 221 190 176
Triglycerides 152 125 97
HDL 59 54 56
LDL 132 111 101

Those seemed pretty good to me except the HDL was highest in April 03. But is is coming back up. I will just have to keep working on it. Let me know if anyone sees room for improvent and what might help.


Beouemom sounds like bay way mom and I think Colorado is a great place to live.  

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Hello Beouemom,

Fantastic results! Congratulations!

I have taken the liberty to put it in a new thread, as you hinted
(and deleted the now redundant parantheses with its contents)
cheers,
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Perhaps eat a little more fish to improve the HDL and bring the TC back up  
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For Yaman:   Thanks for the move.  

For Tom:  It is interesting you say that about fish.  It is a great idea.  I am working on adding more of that to my diet.  Not sure what TC refers to though?  Will you expand on that one please?  I eat more than the allowance of nuts.  I will investigate my ER, LR, and Encyclopedia and the website for other ideas.   Also looks like I goofed in asking for that blood test for antigens insted of antibodies.  


Beouemom sounds like bay way mom and I think Colorado is a great place to live.  
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Beouemom,

Congratulations!  What wonderful results, and I should add, a nice testimony that the BTD does work when you give it the time to repair, recover, and heal!  


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I agree with Tom, eating fish for the beneficial oil in there would be good for you, because your HDL:LDL ratio is the one area that could use improvement. But you should be very encouraged at all the healthy, positive changes in your blood profile and it looks great. Just the HDL is low and the LDL is high and that situation should be flipped around. You want the HDL ("good" cholesterol, literally "high-density lipids") to be up, up, up, ideally above 80. And you want that LDL ("bad" cholesterol, literally "low-density lipids") to go down. Here are some tips for O's to accomplish this, although again, I want to say that it seems from comparing your pre-BTD to your BTD results, you are already trending very much in the right direction all around, and your bloodwork is really reason to celebrate! But you asked if anyone sees room for improvement, and you do want to get that HDL:LDL ratio better, and here is how:

1. Do what you are doing by following the BTD. That is the best thing you can do!
2. Be super compliant about NEVER eating avoid grains like wheat and corn. Only eat the grains that O's can have. You do not have your secretor status listed. If you are a non-secretor, then in order to flip your HDL:LDL ratio, it becomes crucial that you really cut waaaay down on grains altogether and, ideally, limit yourself to maybe having rice ONCE per week. Sounds drastic, but you will find that you can substitute delicious, nutritious veggies like brocolli florets for the grain and you won't miss it!
3. As Tom suggested, eat "good fats" and don't be afraid of these good fats, they will only help your total cholesterol and that all-important HDL:LDL ratio, nad not hurt it. Fish oil is EXCELLENT, and so is olive oil, flax oil, and richly-oiled nuts. Avocado is good, too, which is another reason that I'm getting around to suggesting that you...
4. Get your secretor status tested. Order the test from this site and find out, it is well worth it! If you are a non, avocados shoot up all the way from avoid to beneficial for you and you can benefit from the great fats in them.  But, nevermind the avocado situation, you need to get your secretor status tested anyway because, if you are a non, eating grains could be the #1 reason that your HDL:LDL ratio is as it is, and if you simply (I know, believe me, it isn't so simple!) cut out grains, you could end up amazed at the results!
5. Be sure to get enough exercise.

All that said, you are doing GREAT and have a lot to be proud of and excited about with those new, improved, BTDified blood results! Congrats!


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You might indulge in a glass of red wine a few times a week too, another way to increase HDL.  I believe Tom is referring to total cholesterol.  Dr. D'Adamo actually finds that Os do better with total cholesterol a little over 200 along with high HDL and low LDL.  Really great progress you've made.  Congrats!


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Quote from Cheryl:

"Dr. D'Adamo actually finds that Os do better with total cholesterol a little over 200 along with high HDL and low LDL..."

I believe what Dr. D. says is that it is fine if an O's total cholesterol is up a little higher than what the "experts" say should be the max, but not that it is "better". I think the fact that Beouemom's total cholesterol actually went down from 190 to 176 is excellent!

Mine hovers at around 200, it can be just below or above. Like you said, I don't worry about my total number (since it isn't sky high), just the ratio of HDL to LDL, which in my case is (or was--last time I had a check-up was three or four years ago, so who knows what's what now) excellent. As long as my HDL is as high as it is (I think it was like 95 or something) and my LDL is low, and my "VLDL" (very-low-density lipids) is very low, I know my cholesterol is fine. I also heard Dr. D. on a radio show once discussing how the new thinking is that, if your HDL is above 90, it "almost doesn't matter what the LDL or the total cholesterol is", as that high HDL over 90 in and of itself has such a protective effect.


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That's so inspiring to see great results like that after such a short while on BTD.  I have been struggling with my counts for years, and after finding out my secretor status, I am finally beginning to see some progress.  I am going to show you my numbers and then I have a couple of questions (ok, three!) to whomever may know:

                       10-21-03               10-7-04  
 
Total Chol.            284                       211
Trig.                      62                         41
HDL                       81                         69
LDL                      194                       134

I'm really happy my total count dropped so much and my LDL dropped as well.  I'm doing everything that I have read suggested here except eating fish.  I do take clean, good quality fish oils everyday, but I am concerned about the contaminates in cod and even salmon.  My HDL needs a jump start.  Anyway, my questions are:

Does it appear that my trig. are too low?
What effect does ghee have on cholesterol?
What is the significance of the VLDL reading?
Shouldn't fish oils raise HDL's as well as fresh fish?

(ok, 4 questions!  the list kept growing.  I could come up with even more)
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Can LDL get too low?  Mine goes between 70s and 90s, with an HDL between 45 and 68.

That's not a great HDL...Is it the ratio that matters?

My numbers last december were

Total Cholesterol 161
Trig.                   103
HDL                     46
LDL                     94
HDL/LDL ratio       21

Maybe they were all too low for an O...these reading were taken before I got compliant in January, so I'll get new results in the next couple of months to see what a year of nonnie compliance does.

Before I first found the diet, my triglycerides were 188!  My blood sugar was 107.  Even just being wheat free has kept those down since then.


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I believe it is the ratio of total cholesterol to HDL that is important.

If you don't want to eat fish, I think that flax seeds and walnuts also have the omaga 3 fatty acids.

As long as were sharing #'s here are mine along with the two "guides" I got with them. I started BTD Sept 03.














































Test

May 02

April 04

Guide 1

Guide 2

Total Cholesterol (mg/dL)

186

172

130-200

<200

HDL (mg/dL)

58

71

(33-55)

>40

LDL (mg/dL)



89



<130

Triglycerides (mg/dL)

69

60

40-200

<150

TC/HDL ratio

3.2

2.4



<4.5

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"Too-low" LDL and/or triglycerides (levels well below reference ranges) don't seem to prompt medical concern.  As to HDL/totalC, women's issues are somewhat different from men's.  

Quick note, from the Estronaut Forum for Women's Health:

"Low HDL ("good cholesterol") levels were the strongest predictor of heart disease in women. These are generally levels less than 50 (mg/dL). Low HDL and high cholesterol go hand in hand for many, which led to the confusion about what was important. Women with total cholesterol levels as low as 200 who also had low HDL levels still had high risks of heart disease. In fact, the best predictor for women, according to one study, was the ratio of cholesterol to HDL."

Reference articles are linked to the left of that page.  


specifically on triglycerides and HDL:

LDL Subfractions and Atherogenicty (Univ. of Glasgow):
http://www.priory.com/cmro/cmro1104.htm

"LDL concentration and atherogenicity

Evidence for the role of triglycerides, and their effect on LDL concentration, in the atherogenic process can be found in studies of familial hypercholesterolaemia. A report of father and son from just such a family, where each family member has the same LDL receptor mutation, illustrates the point.14 The son recently underwent his third bypass graft. His total cholesterol was 9.1 mmol/l. His 86-year-old father, with exactly the same LDL receptor defect and the same total cholesterol, had no sign of coronary disease. The son had a triglyceride level of 2.6 mmol/l and a low HDL cholesterol (0.9 mmol/l); his father had low triglycerides (1.4 mmol/l) and high HDL (1.4 mmol/l), a protective combination that, apparently, outweighed the risk associated with the genetically determined hypercholesterolaemia."



Looks like there IS such a thing as "too-low" triglycerides.  The National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute is doing a patient recruitment for people with triglycerides either higher than 1500 .... whoo .... or lower than 50.   hmm!  

Lipid Disorders (link)

"If you have triglycerides <50 mg/dL, you are invited to participate in a study in an attempt to diagnose and follow your disorder. There are several known causes of low triglycerides and they include Abetalipoproteinemia and Hypobetalipoproteinemia. However, many causes of low triglycerides that have yet to be discovered."


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Can't find my results from 2002 (change was slight), so here's 2000:

LIPIDS                 mg/dL                 ref range
TOTAL CHOL             164                     120-199
HDL                           97                        35-59
TC/HDL RATIO           1.7                      2.9-4.8
LDL, CALC                 55                       75-129
TRIGLYCERIDES         60                       40-199

With HDL that high and TC/HDL that low, should a type O nonsecretor menopausal bestir herself about the low TC and triglycerides?  

I'd like to recommend the excellent Danish Hepatitis C site, devoted to the understanding of clinical lab reports on blood tests including thyroid, lipid and metabolic panels.  http://home3.inet.tele.dk/omni/alttest.htm  

However, it's not exactly ABO-informed, so I'm going to dig a bit further into what exactly low cholesterol means in the context of the rest of that thyroid panel through the lens of BT research.

   


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Heidi,
I read through both of those sites you mentioned.  I picked up a bit of knowledge, but it is rather technical for my mind to really absorb.  I also couldn't understand the foreign measurements.  I know my goal is to continue to raise my HDL, continue to lower the LDL and it looks like.....raise my trig. a little.
I don't have a clue as to how to raise the trig. in a healthy way.
I hope you will continue to pass on to us your own findings relating to any of this.
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Victoria, I noticed you asked about the VLDL reading, but I didn't see a score for it in your post.   If you were wondering what the acronym stands for, it's 'very low-density lipoprotein" and is the 'worst' form (speaking really layperson-like here) where LDL is the 'bad' form and HDL is the 'good' form of serum cholesterol as these tests go.  

 

Are you used to seeing, say, a total chol of 6.7 instead of 150-200?   There's a resource for conversion somewhere.... anyone got that for Victoria?    

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how's this one:

from
How Many? A Dictionary of Units of Measurement
http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/dictM.html

"mg/dL -  symbol for milligram per deciliter, a unit used in U.S. medicine to measure the concentration of cholesterol and other substances in the blood.  1 mg/dl equals 0.01 grams per liter (g/L).

"Internationally, the International System of Units ("SI")  unit for data of this type is millimoles per liter (mmol/L); see the table of SI Units for Clinical Data for conversions of many common measurements. "


There it is!   Conversion of cholesterol from SI to conventional units, or back again.
SI Units for Clinical Data  

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To convert a cholesterol reading stated in mmol/L to mg/dl you would multiply by 38.67.
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My overall cholesterol has definitely gone up since I started EYRT, but the % seems pretty similiar - I would love to know how to swap the figures around and get high HDL and low LDL - what would help achieve that for B's?

Pre ERYT
LDL 86
HDL 45
Trigs 59

Current
LDL 102
HDL 65
Trigs 51
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Thanks Heidi and thwaites,
I will check out those links.  Actually, I am used to the 150-200 type of reading.  The articles on the low trig.  had some different way of describing the lipid count, which will most likely be explained by thwaites formula or by those conversions formulas you provided.

I have never had my VLDL checked, and I imagine that is something we have to ask for, because in my experience my doctors never even suggest to do fasting chol. check unless I ask for it.  That total chol. reading doesn't do a lot of good without the breakdown!

So, that just leaves me now with where to go next with the readings I do have.  I will welcome any ideas on lowering the LDL, raising the trig. and HDL.  I am taking this quite seriously since the chemotherapy last year has dented my sense of well-being, and regaining my health is my present passion and fulll-time obsession.  (trying not to get too heavy about it)

Thanks!
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I don't have before and after results, but here are my lipid values (from memory, but I'm pretty sure I'm spot on) from March of this year (over 1 year on the BTD and nearly 6 months gluten-free):

TOTAL CHOL. 145
HDL 70
LDL 71
VLDL (CALC.) 6 (?!)
TRIGLYCERIDES 33

I suspect that a lifetime of undiagnosed celiac disease has a lot to do with my very low values. (My primary care doctor, unsurprisingly, was thrilled with my results. I'm not.) Any ideas on how to raise my total cholesterol without compromising my HDL:LDL ratio? I remember reading that levels below 160 or 165 in depressed individuals appear to increase the risk of suicide. I am, of course, taking steps to control this risk, but I would like to do all I can! And how do I increase my triglyceride level, which is seriously low?

--Sarah

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I split off Wendy's thread and moved it over to Eat Right...

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?,b=GC,v=display,m=1099961264


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You can't eat eggs right, Sarah?  Whites and yolks?

Fish helps Os raise cholesterol, but I'm not sure if it works for As.  Turkey and chicken may also help.  


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Melissa,

I haven't tested egg whites and yolks separately, but my intuition tells me I can probably eat the yolks.  (Gluten-free challah, here I come!)  I should probably try two more whole eggs prepared in some way other than scrambled, though, before I draw any firm conclusions.

I have generally been eating slightly more than my weekly allotment of poultry and, since weaning my toddler, dairy.  This week I am focusing on fish, hoping to reduce the bloating that was a temporary consequence of the gallbladder flush I did, and also on clearing out a backlog of dairy that I understandably couldn't stomach while I was feeling bad.

I've also eliminated the foods that my awful October uncovered gluten problems with, and I am trying very hard to avoid further incidents (mostly by getting my grain and vegetable frequencies back in proportion).  I think this will help a lot.  Of course, the holidays approach....

I'll probably have to wait until next March to see whether my numbers have improved at all, but I hope they do!

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I am type A and been on BTD for almost six month.  I have inherited high cholesterol from my fathers side of the family.  My cholesterol usually runs about 328 when I am not taking medicine.  Since I am only 33 I would like to stay off the liver destroying medicines.. if possible.  I change to BTD because it was so close to the way I was eating previously.  A doctor in San Barbara was advising me to eat more fish, beans and grains and no dairy and no meat.. Limited amounts of poultry to none at all.  So I decided to just change to being a vegetarian except with eating egg white and fish My cholesterol is still high.. but I am hopefully that is it just my body thinking it needs to be there.  We just produce a lot.  My ratio is good and my good cholesterol is great.   I still need to loose about 15 pounds which doesnt seem to be going anywhere.   Since I have started eating the BTD I have not lost any weight.. in fact I had gained a few pounds that I am finally getting off.  If anyone has any other advice about lowering my cholesterol I am up to hearing it.  

Oh I have a question about hominy, is that a grain or veggie?  And can type A eat it?  

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Trboyd,

Hominy is corn treated with lime to remove the skin. If you are a secretor(80%chance) it is a neutral allowed infrequently. In other words once or twice a month. If you are a nonsecretor it is an avoid. Is it really worth it? Try brown rice or barley or rye. You have a wider choice of grains than most of us give some of the others a try. Welcome and good luck.
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trboyd,
are you lowering your cortisol levels with adecuate excersise?
also watching your frequency charts on grain and food in general.......


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Hello and welcome Tracie  

Being a proud type A, why don't you visit the member center by clicking the button on top right of this page and select yourself the type A avatar? This way other members will see your blood type in your every single post.

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