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Well, since I got on active B vitamins, calcium, vitamin A, and DGL, so my stomach half way works....

I've gone through several membrosia things. Nothing really happens. Then I eat some beans with high oleic acid.... I feel really good. Then I remmember that forever ago when I could tolerate carbs more, olive oil always made my skin nice, muscles and BM's bulk up. Soo I got some and I add a lot to meals. Boom, my BM's happen several times a day instead of like once without magnesium. I've got a huge reduction in annoying minor symptoms. I can sleep deeper. Etc...

I'm not perfect, still fat, BM's could still be better, inconsistant on some body stuff. But still, sometimes I breath more, like as if I'm actually using some oxygen more.

Also I've been doing lots of larch powder, but it just was uncomfortable gas with so little BM movement, but now I think my flora is going to be won by the good stuff, as things keep moving. I wonder if i have a genetic disorder or something, since years of trying to make omega 3's really improve cellular health was more a flop, and yet olive oil (which I tried to reduce alll oil down to swami recommended levels) does amazing things....

Wtf I think is the acronym that fits right. If I didn't know omega 3's work for everyone else I'd claim the obsession with them is non-sensical and worthless. I don't like sea foods, and don't feel it benefits me much either. If anything it seems almost like I make omega 3/&6 but not 9 (probably impossible).
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DOS…interesting. I found a similar thing. Then I got tested for pyroluria. I have it. It causes me to need more omega 6's…evening primrose oil or borage, flax…better for me than fish oil. And I never liked seafood. (but I do eat it occasionally just to be on the safe sid.) I do find this very interesting. Look up pyroluria symptoms and maybe you can get a doc to test you. It's a specific urine test.
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I don't have the means to see any doctors.

Perhaps this has a lot to do with cholesterol. I can say cholesterol lowering things make me feel good often immediately. Green tea (Kukicha, not prepared with the local water), olive oil, oats (mixed bag, body doesn't pass em fast), and I consumed a lot of flaxseed when I got my digestion tip-top.

Plus it does align with needing to exercise very hard, too hard, in order to get my chest to painfully clear out. That tends to happen when I'm healthy and probably taken in a lot of cholesterol lowering foods (and done things to help keep it low, like stress).

I have some Borage oil, I'll give it a try again now that my body is responding to foods. Last time I tried it, nothing.

I've probably undergone nearly all pyroluria symptoms, but I'm not convinced I have the issue. I think the expression of them is from poor digestion, not the disorder.
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I'm taking El Dorado in hopes of getting rid of my weight. It ruins my life at every corner of my natural being. But I have trouble thinking it's going to fix me if my metabolism is worthlessly slow, somehow related to all this stuff with fats/cholesterol that actually stops all my bodily functions... When I'm not healthy my body slowly shuts down and everything stops working right.
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It is funny that, coincidentally, I have been looking into my Omega 3-6 balance, and I think it is all out of whack. Seriously. The fish that seems to be the best for me and most available, are the worst for keeping this balanced. Rice bran oil is a diamond, and it is sky high in Omega 6 - like over 4500 in one tbs.! Olive oil is better but still 1318 in one tbs.. I'm allowed six tbs. of oil per week. One teaspoon of ghee five times per week - one tbs. 382 which is a whole lot better, but still hardly any Omega 3! Looking at my diet suggestions and what I eat that should be healthy, it appears it is a miracle I don't have Omega 6 coming out of my ears! The number of Omega 3's in these DPN fish oil softgels I'm taking look mighty puny indeed by comparison. My diet is somewhat focused on being anti-inflammatory. I would hate to think what it would look like if it were not! I'm pretty sure I'm getting plenty of Omega 3, don't get me wrong, but this sky high amount of Omega 6 is horrible! Or so it seems.

There is definitely something here that I am not "getting" about this, I would think, but whatever that may be is beyond me right now.


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Me too....My oils feel off....Interesting thread.... I feel extremely unbalanced with the oils in membrosia complex.  I feel much better when I get flax oil, fish oil and a lot of omega 3 fatty acids.  I feel terrible on evening primrose oil, borage or black currant seed oil and always have. Omega 6 oils give me an achy body...

Spring, I'm also trying to focus on anti-inflammatory foods and oils and feel that my inflammation issues escalated from an imbalance in essential fatty acids, caused by daily intake of membrosia complex oils. I feel my omega 3 is too low in relation to the 6s and maybe 9s. And
I too have rice bran oil as a superfood.  Cannot use it. Irritating and inflammatory.  Ghee doesn't
do anything to improve my omega 3 needs either.  And fish oil pills are super low.  Not sure my
body absorbs enough omega 3 from flax oil but flax oil is what I used for two years, making my
own membrosia cocktail until the membrosia complex formula was produced by DPN.  Not working for me the way I feel it should.

And yet, my DH does great on membrosia complex oils and DOS, he's a Warrior so perhaps this
is a different issue for different genotypes...   I really should figure out a way to add some flax
oil into this membrosia cocktail....maybe cut the oil portion in half and add half flax oil.



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Chloe, I can't help but feel that issues such as this will be addressed in an updated SWAMI. (Can't help but hope!) Eve. Prim is sort of like a wonder drug for me, so we can see that this is so very individualized! But, on the other hand, I, too, am a great fan of flax oil which is only a neutral for me!  I actually can use rice bran oil with no noticeable problems such as joint pain, but the amount of Omega 6 in it is worrisome. I am concerned about what may lie down the road if I continue consuming so much Omega 6.

My favorite salmon used to give me a ton of energy and a great feeling of well-being all around, but it is not so much as listed anywhere on my diet now. I can have Sockeye, but it certainly isn't my favorite, and it is hard to find, anyway. But it does have an extremely good ratio: 1130 Omega 3 as opposed to only 30 Omega 6. So I suppose I am going to have to learn to like the stuff somehow. Also, another concern is how much effect does cooking have on these oils? Or, for that matter, how much effect does it have on them lying around in a grocery no telling how long..... It would seem that inflammation is staring us in the face no matter what we do! Another thought: how much, if any, effect would Boswellia have on this type of inflammation?


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Chloe, I can't help but feel that issues such as this will be addressed in an updated SWAMI. (Can't help but hope!) Eve. Prim is sort of like a wonder drug for me, so we can see that this is so very individualized! But, on the other hand, I, too, am a great fan of flax oil which is only a neutral for me!  I actually can use rice bran oil with no noticeable problems such as joint pain, but the amount of Omega 6 in it is worrisome. I am concerned about what may lie down the road if I continue consuming so much Omega 6.

My favorite salmon used to give me a ton of energy and a great feeling of well-being all around, but it is not so much as listed anywhere on my diet now. I can have Sockeye, but it certainly isn't my favorite, and it is hard to find, anyway. But it does have an extremely good ratio: 1130 Omega 3 as opposed to only 30 Omega 6. So I suppose I am going to have to learn to like the stuff somehow. Also, another concern is how much effect does cooking have on these oils? Or, for that matter, how much effect does it have on them lying around in a grocery no telling how long..... It would seem that inflammation is staring us in the face no matter what we do! Another thought: how much, if any, effect would Boswellia have on this type of inflammation?


I had normal joint issues until I began Membrosia combo when suddenly my  knees got swollen
and stiff as if I were having an auto immune reaction to either a lack of omega 3s ( as prior
I had been taking 1 T of Flax oil per day in my own formula and my only other fats were olive oil,
a tiny bit of ghee, because that's all I get, and mono fats like avocado).  When I had seen a holistic
MD decades ago, he kept telling me that I did best on omega 3 oils and he used to do
kineseology....muscle testing...I'd be strong on bottles of flax oil, strong on fish oil (sometimes) and weak on EPO, borage, black currant.  I would always feel the irritation in my body from any of those omega 6 oils so I avoided them.  My holistic MD really had focused his practice on balancing
health through essential fatty acids so I learned a lot about myself and the fats that make my body
feel great.  And suddenly here comes Membrosia combo with new supposedly balanced oils for
everyone.  It's not possible for everyone to be balanced on the same fatty acids.  I think this
product is wrong for me....I began this formula in January.  By March, I could hardly bend my knees...then my fingers and toes and finally all joints felt achy.  I lowered my oil by half.  I started taking fish oil for a few weeks with breakfast and kept
using flax seeds in foods.  The level of inflammation in my joints has started to normalize....I had
to add more fish oil, boswellia, bromelain and basically do the anti inflammation protocol plus
the arthritis protocol.  My osteopath told me this could be reactive inflammation.....something I'm
eating or taking that is doing this.  And I agree.  This morning I went back to flax oil as my primary oil added to the membrosia powder, although my gut instinct tells me to go back to the
lecithin powder plus Uridine pills and give up the whole combo from DPN..  I felt no inflammatory issues when I took my own membrosia formula for almost 2 years.

It's one thing to have arthritis and inflammation due to an aging process....but something suddenly gave me inflammation and I felt it was an imbalance of fatty acids.

As for my SWAMI changing...I have a professional SWAMI done by Dr. D himself.  I will return to the clinic for a follow up appointment with my husband in August.  I will see how much anti inflammatory progress I've made on my own or else I will address this with the shift.  I could send
a message to the clinic and ask questions but I sort of like the challenge of figuring this out on
my own.  And then I'm an A2.....I feel fish should be my primary protein although most fish is
so toxic I hate eating a lot of it.  Soy feels highly inflammatory yet it's a beneficial food on my SWAMI.....I don't know how to balance what that one food does to my body...Not being able to
bend fingers is not an optimum way to live from a food that should be healthy for my genotype.

I think we all go through upheaval at times....our bodies want something, they reject something....
and yet sometimes a very beneficial food that causes the most upheaval is causing problems because it's healing?  The upheaval in my body is a healing reaction?  The question is....do I believe this is true?  I don't know!  I really don't.

Meanwhile, going to see if focusing on omega 3 helps and eating less of anything that feels
inflammatory.




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I think we all go through upheaval at times....our bodies want something, they reject something....
and yet sometimes a very beneficial food that causes the most upheaval is causing problems because it's healing?  The upheaval in my body is a healing reaction?  The question is....do I believe this is true?  I don't know!  I really don't.

Chloe- I have the same questions about upheavals and healing. I have been eating a lot of tofu  for the last couple of months. A few weeks ago I started having severe breast pain and pain under my arms (lymph). The pain and swelling lasted about 10 days. I couldn't even wear a cotton sports bra. I quit eating soy and started using progest cream twice a day. It got better after about a week. Did the soy throw my hormones off kilter or was it healing something that is wrong. It was extremely scary. It felt like everything was on fire yet the only thing that made it calm down temporarily was a heating pad. I am going to go get a mamogram next month to make sure I am ok, but like you, I would like to know what is happening with my body.

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I don't have the means to see any doctors.


Why?
Have you looked into signing onto a local Medicaid program help you, or will a move to a town that DOES furnish you with a better way to healthcare help you? Things vary from state to state and county to county, and if you're already earning money in a profession that offers you the chance to do this, go for it. I'm about to have to do this for myself this year. I've heard Montana is really brutal as far as social welfare policies are concerned. And that was from a lady who went to live there for a few years. The only people that seem to get on pretty well with support from within seem to be the Amish that live there.





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If you've been SWAMI-ed, come on over to the D'Adamo Genoharmonics Gang and have fun with us seeing how the pieces of the puzzle fall into place for your genetic expression/healing.


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I've switched from rice bran oil to macadamia oil to see how that works for me. Also, I am going to do my best to find some Sockeye salmon. In the meantime, I am taking a lot of Boswellia to, hopefully, help ward off any dire effects from all the Omega 6 I've been getting.  I don't notice any particular aches and pains yet, but I know too many people like you, Chloe, who have and are suffering something terrible from joint problems.

Another question in my mind is this: Do we ingest more Omega 6 to combat inflammatory conditions, and suffer the consequences to better our health? And when we suddenly have more inflammatory symptoms is this simply the Omega 6 rooting out problems we didn't necessarily know we had that would present more obvious problems in the future? This is basically the same things you were wondering about in your post.


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I've switched from rice bran oil to macadamia oil to see how that works for me. Also, I am going to do my best to find some Sockeye salmon. In the meantime, I am taking a lot of Boswellia to, hopefully, help ward off any dire effects from all the Omega 6 I've been getting.  I don't notice any particular aches and pains yet, but I know too many people like you, Chloe, who have and are suffering something terrible from joint problems.

Another question in my mind is this: Do we ingest more Omega 6 to combat inflammatory conditions, and suffer the consequences to better our health? And when we suddenly have more inflammatory symptoms is this simply the Omega 6 rooting out problems we didn't necessarily know we had that would present more obvious problems in the future? This is basically the same things you were wondering about in your post.


Everything I've read about all the oils in membrosia complex says that these specific oils are
anti inflammatory.  Just how long does it take to wait for oils to root out the inflammation?

Wish I had answers about soy. Perhaps the female balancing protocol and some calcium d glucarate to get rid of excess hormones....Plus Deflect to get rid of lectin damage.

Hope your oil change helps you Spring.




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Chloe--you mentioned that you feel good with flax oil, but wonder if you're getting enough Omega 3 from it...

I notice that like me, you are a Teacher.  DrD's Teacher geno-pack includes flax oil for us--not fish.  My naturopath has wanted me taking EPA/DHA fish oil for years.  I never felt any benefit from it, but took it anyway.  Now that I am predominantly taking NAP supplements and following DrD's protocols, rather than my ND's (and she thinks DrD is a genius and highly approves), I am now taking flax oil.  Is flax oil working for me--yes, I believe so.  I recently did a simple blood smear test for my oils-- Omega Quant.  The results have me in the 97th percentile on Omega 3 and my Omega 6 is a low percentile.  So, perhaps our genotype is one that is able to make the omega 3 conversion from flax oil.  Not everyone can.

And anyone interested in this test--it tests the mono, saturated, and trans levels--go to omegaquant.com
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And obviously the omega's.
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I hit the cocoa nibs today with blueberries. It's one of the top rated geno-harmonic combo's from when I make swamiX process for heart/cardio problems.

It feels good. I tried it awhile back with moderate success. At first it did something, then nothing. But then I also wasn't up on any other good for me stuff.

It does seem cholesterol related or something. Olive oil, a bunch of it, lowers cholesterol. But hopefully I can keep it low now.

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I hit the cocoa nibs today with blueberries. It's one of the top rated geno-harmonic combo's from when I make swamiX process for heart/cardio problems.

It feels good. I tried it awhile back with moderate success. At first it did something, then nothing. But then I also wasn't up on any other good for me stuff.

It does seem cholesterol related or something. Olive oil, a bunch of it, lowers cholesterol. But hopefully I can keep it low now.

What is "genoharmonic gang"?


It's just a clubhouse for those using their genoharmonics to experiment with healing combos and talk about our successes. It's not a gang devoted to online thuggery or anything  
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Chloe--you mentioned that you feel good with flax oil, but wonder if you're getting enough Omega 3 from it...

I notice that like me, you are a Teacher.  DrD's Teacher geno-pack includes flax oil for us--not fish.  My naturopath has wanted me taking EPA/DHA fish oil for years.  I never felt any benefit from it, but took it anyway.  Now that I am predominantly taking NAP supplements and following DrD's protocols, rather than my ND's (and she thinks DrD is a genius and highly approves), I am now taking flax oil.  Is flax oil working for me--yes, I believe so.  I recently did a simple blood smear test for my oils-- Omega Quant.  The results have me in the 97th percentile on Omega 3 and my Omega 6 is a low percentile.  So, perhaps our genotype is one that is able to make the omega 3 conversion from flax oil.  Not everyone can.

And anyone interested in this test--it tests the mono, saturated, and trans levels--go to omegaquant.com


thanks, will check it out...  I really think we should know where we stand nutritionally before we
use supplements we might not need.   Interestingly enough, the clinic in Bridgeport does no
nutritional testing whatsoever.  I really like to see lab work and might have to ask my osteopath
to write a script for this test.  

Just went to this website....it seems I can order this test myself which seems confusing..  Is it a blood test or saliva?  Either way, in NYS, neither can be sent through the mail.



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Chloe,  It is a blood (drop) test--using a lancet that is provided with the test kit.  But, as you say, a moot point since you can't send through the mail in NYS--which I notice is the case with many lab tests.
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Chloe,  It is a blood (drop) test--using a lancet that is provided with the test kit.  But, as you say, a moot point since you can't send through the mail in NYS--which I notice is the case with many lab tests.


I could easily order the test and when I go see Dr. D ar the clinic in August, bring it with me and have it sent   from Bridgeport, CT...with results going back there....and then I'll have what I need to know.   Need to remind myself to order test closer to August so I'll know my results will be up to the moment.  Thanks for mentioning this...I think just about anyone could get a doctor to send
out specimen and receive results as long as they aren't obligated to make it appear that they asked for the testing.  Most MDs wouldn't want to be involved gathering nutritional information anyway.



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Well I think it is cholesterol. Everything I do that helps lower it, I'm very tolerant of....

I can eat more than perhaps I should, if it's cholesterol lowering food, and it doesn't bug me for more than a moment. I sleep deeper, dreams are better. My skin looks nicer except I think I'm getting detox zits. Lots of good things.

Oat bran w/blueberry, cocoa nibs w/blueberry, olive oil with anything, pinto beans, and yogurt w/flax meal.
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Juliebug,
I used to eat tofu without problem some years ago, but I find now when I eat tofu, soy milk I get aching in the breasts.  I think the edame (soy beans) are okay, but I go easy on them. They are supposed to be good for detox for type A. have been eating a lot of tofu  for the last couple of months. A few weeks ago I started having severe breast pain and pain under my arms (lymph). The
Acupuncturist I go to combines Chinese health, and tells me to stay away from soy.  I  also find it affects my thyroid.  
So while it is supposed to be good for Type A, perhaps it depends on hormone balance? Or liver dtoxing abilities (an area I have been working on) or something else.  
Lin


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Juliebug,
I used to eat tofu without problem some years ago, but I find now when I eat tofu, soy milk I get aching in the breasts.  I think the edame (soy beans) are okay, but I go easy on them. They are supposed to be good for detox for type A. have been eating a lot of tofu  for the last couple of months. A few weeks ago I started having severe breast pain and pain under my arms (lymph). The
Acupuncturist I go to combines Chinese health, and tells me to stay away from soy.  I  also find it affects my thyroid.  
So while it is supposed to be good for Type A, perhaps it depends on hormone balance? Or liver dtoxing abilities (an area I have been working on) or something else.  
Lin


Thank you Lin-I hate that you experienced the same symptoms I did, but am glad to at least know that the overabundance of soy in my diet could have been the issue. At least I'm not the only one...I'm staying away from it...the pain was unbearable!!! I would rather have a root canal  !!!
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Juliebug,
You probably realised I had copied part of your message in the middle of mine "A. have been eating a lot of tofu  for the last couple of months. A few weeks ago I started having severe breast pain and pain under my arms (lymph).".
Just remembered some years ago having a flu shot and then afterwards really not feeling well, and I had a lump in the lymph, armpit area.  At that time I was going to someone who does a natural therapy and they were able to clear it for me.  Just mentioning it because it does show how the lymphs get clogged up by things the body can't clear.
Glad knowing you were not alone helps, it does for all of us.
Lin


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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Just curious how fermented soy works for you type A ladies?  (such as miso or tempeh)



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