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Ellie
Monday, April 7, 2014, 9:25pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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My husband is AB, and due to certain life experiences recently has been hospitalised for the last two weeks, due to paranoia and not sleeping properly. Doctors of course have been putting him on various sedatives, have changed his regular medication (upped one and changed his normal anti-psychotic to another). He is still not sleeping properly and I'd love to see him less doped up as soon as possible. He is basically suffering from a bereavement and a trauma. I've been looking at some of the supplements and not sure what might be best to try (and whether the hospital would support the supplements, or whether they're only happy to dole out what's on the drug trolley  ). ) I also of course don't want to give him something that will react negatively with hospital drugs.. Of course part of what makes it difficult for him to relax is being in the hospital!! Has anyone got any ideas? I have been trying to give him massages and play nice music but he is finding it difficult to sit or lie still for long..


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Sorry to hear that Ellie!! Must be very worrying?! I don't know a lot about AB specific recommendations, but first up I'd get the Dr to have a look at what anti-psychotic medication your husband is on!! Some of them are renowned for actually causing/adding to anxiety/depression... Also, any medication he is on will be depleting his magnesium levels, so increasing mag in supplement form (even epsom salts foot soaks?) will help!!
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It sounds like the Anti-Stress Protocol would be helpful.

You may also look at the Cognitive Function and Detoxification Support Protocols.  Also, Arnica is good for trauma.
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/index.htm

Wishing the best for him during this trying time.


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Oh Ellie, how awful ..I seriously wonder about the side effects of some of the drugs your
husband is taking. Is there a way to google these drugs to see if any of these issues could be related to the meds themselves?  And maybe if you find a cause/effect could speak to the doctor prescribing them?

Probably there are many homeopathic remedies that would be helpful although I'm not very
well versed in homeopathy....I do know many forum members are and hope they will offer you
some suggestions.......Bach flower remedies, specifically Rescue Remedy comes to mind...can be oral or topical...There is a Rescue Remedy sleep formula as well.

I agree with Joe's recommendation for the anti stress protocol....Sending you both my best wishes!


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Active B vitamins. Then AB diet, yoga, stress protocol, whatever.
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As DOS says including walks in the country near greenery. avoid artificial anything, look out for aspartame in medication! be wary of wheat and dairy.


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Ellie
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Thanks for the suggestions, I was looking at the anti-stress protocols as a possible. As he is in the hospital it's difficult to monitor everything that is going on, and he was trying very hard to use visualisation to relax himself before it all got on top of him. All this will hopefully be temporary - he was doing so well before, they had reduced his medication a lot..
They used to have a homeopath at the hospital, unfortunately he is not there any more I understand..He is too unsettled to do anything properly, I have tried to do some Qi Gong with him but he can't concentrate properly on it. But again, that will come back with time..
He can't take Rescue Remedy apparently, makes him go silly, he told me before!

Because I am not with him a lot of the time, what I can do at the moment is limited, obviously. Maybe a multi vitamin/mineral might be safest.

If he refused to take the 'treatment' they offer at the hospital they would probably section him ie make him stay in..even though he is not dangerous...(just hard work )..



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Google Oxitocin. Dr Ken Stoller (Amen Clinics) has written a book on it available on Amazon. Supposed to be good for grieving. So sorry that your husband is in crisis and struggling. Really tough.
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I would only choose active B vitamins. People have trouble recovering from stress and fatique as is, so if inactive ones worked well so would just food. For me it has been the difference between being awake an entire night and sleeping every night.

Regular, high quality, non-active never did much. I think this is key to recovery when someone's been a long ways off. There's just a point where making healthy decisions doesn't help because the tools to feel better are not there, or are not avaliable. It's well know b vitamins help with stres, but again the help occasional stress in a non-active form, not chronic.

Avoiding wheat is smart. Low thyroids reall compound the problem.
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oops..sorry you're mentioning: antipsychotic =  anti shizophrenia !
here I'd like to point to follow some relvevant protocols from the ancient master of
orthomolecular medicine Dr. Avram Hoffer...and his guilde in Toronto;  perhaps would you want to google this thema, he's merly aproved in Canada ... but acknowledged absolutamente as a leader of all orthomolecular blas here in Europe coz he was the last companion of L.Pauling....


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Thank you for the extra replies, I think I might go for the Cortiguard for now, I checked with a pharmacist & the ingredients shouldn't react negatively with anything else..Husband says he has had ginseng before and it was good for him. (he is already on the mend I can tell, slowly starting to sleep a bit better, able to have some rational conversation)..I wasn't brave enough to speak to the nurse today but if it's one I like tomorrow   I might pluck up the courage, just to let them know.

I have only had a chance to talk to the doctor once, and of course, I forgot to ask had they checked the vitamin levels etc in his blood...

They keep changing my husband's diagnosis too, tells you how much they know, but I couldn't have managed on my own with him as he was when he went in to hospital..


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Ellie - so relieved he is feeling/communicating a tad better!!!
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thanks possum  


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Ellie, please be careful in trusting any diagnosis, often it shows up that he might be in a crisis but then is stigmatized by those ........
Niacin flush free up to 500mg's seemed to help instantly but take care also here: *flush-free* is a must!!!
Some fatty acids might help and get him tested if he's a rational = NT in the enneagram or even MBTI-test.... and so that makes all easier to understand ... and the best for us is... no drugs at all if possible, we, the AB's do profit a lot from
orthomolecular, phytotherapeutic and even homeopathic treatments.... we're the thinkers, the intuitive thinkers and we often are confound with any bla's of that very guilde... malheureusamente we do belief in... coz of our ill system who needs to convert all people not agreeing in and with this system....

be very vigilant please coz it might be that trouble will even be more harsh but don't accept too much of drugs for your hubby... this stuff even can kill...

ps.


forgot to mention: augment all B-vits not only B3 ...go for fatty acids and use
the Dr. D'Adamo's protocols....I don't know if your hub is an explorer,teacher,warrior or even nomad...so far he seems to need perhaps more nutritional stuffs... .... Mg and even the *healing mushies* can work for him
would combine extracts with powder....


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Get a secretor status done as soon as possible.

Get him off wheat----

At this point the best thing is for you to get him home where you can care for him.
The hospital will not do anything that the doctor does not say.


Rather then drugs ECT can be a very viable option for people-- try and not think negatively about it.
It is quick and no drugs involved which is a good thing.






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Thanks again folks, good progress again today, he is sleeping much better   Let me stress, it was his choice to go into hospital, and he needs to stay in for now, he is making good progress, but they need to stabilise his medication for now, and take him off/reduce things before he leaves. They are not a bad hospital, they have different therapies such as art work, a gym, cooking, singing, pets coming in...Before he leaves also there is a legal requirement for them to have a follow up care plan in place.  
He wants to try the cortiguard as he has had ginseng before and found it helpful.


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ok if he can admit any chemical bombes... so he might be a warrior and catechol might be the best choice ...and to cope with "autogenetic training* from Dr. Schulze would work wonders for him, so far he can't get paranoid while switching during this relaxant training to his true self ...wish you luck and hey Ellie, fine that you're ready to work with him....first he needs to understand that all this is *homemade* he needs to make a switch-over from thinking negative thoughts to positive affirmations... here Louise Hays booklets can help him outta situation.... if he's also somebody who needs to understand first and then being able to act....


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btw..re-read the books from Dr. D. and also from Dr. Miachel Murray and both are mentioning almost B6-9&12... ... in time for paranoya... almost B12 as some shots for some weeks ... don't let ya down in accepting all kinds of stories ... they can't keep your hub for a longer time.....


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