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Spring
Monday, March 24, 2014, 3:26pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Remember what you know about styrofoam decomposition? Well, after reading comments online about different fish oil supplements, I decided to test a few of them with styrofoam. It is my understanding that styrofoam is not likely to break down at all for about 100 years and even then it is still around in a sort of granular form.

So back to the fish oil... I emptied ONE capsule of Brand A into a small styrofoam bowl last night, and the fish oil had begun to "melt" it in a few minutes. By this morning it was completely liquified everywhere even where only small amounts of the oil had touched the bowl! It was pooled in a plate underneath what was left of the bowl that no oil had touched. I did the same thing with another brand of fish oil this morning and absolutely nothing has happened so far - a couple or so hours later. And just for kicks, I put some rice bran oil in another bowl about the same time and, again, nothing whatsoever has happened. This is not looking good for Brand A, right? Are our stomachs more resilient than a styrofoam bowl? I know they can take a lot of beating up on, but I can't imagine that this would be good for anyone who cherishes their stomach the way they should!

I'm going to check other oils I have and see what gives with them. Comments, anyone?


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I'm completely unfamiliar with this "styrofoam bowl" test you speak of. Why do you think that "oils breaking down the styrofoam" has anything to do with the freshness of the oil, or with its suitability for human digestion?


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Some argue that fish oils that break down styrofoam are good fish oil since these are the ones that will dissolve cholesterol deposited in blood vessels.  This is not actually the case.

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Styrofoam® (polystyrene) cups can be dissolved by pure fish oils. All fish oils will have this same effect on polystyrene, but some will take much longer than others. Various healthy natural substances, like fresh lemon oil, will also dissolve polystyrene. In the Styrofoam® cup test, the esterified ethyl ester form of fish oil works to dissolve Styrofoam® much faster than the triglyceride form simply because the number of chemical bonds in the two forms of oil are different; with ethyl ester fish oil having its number of bonds closer to that of Styrofoam®. This similar chemical polarity is the same reason why pure lemon oil also works quickly to dissolve Styrofoam®. No solvents are used to produce the fish oils, so none are present in the finished products. This magic trick does not translate into any legitimate safety concerns, despite its obvious visual impact. Fortunately, the human body is not composed of polystyrene and is not negatively affected by fish oils in its commonly available forms.



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All these arguments back and forth --- are all of them lying, some of them, hardly any of them or what?! C_Sharp, I would suppose that this is a common reference - do we have a link? The sarcasm in the article raises a few red flags to me...... I keep wondering how under the sun something so "engineered" by man can be healthy by any stretch of the imagination. I don't doubt that God formed the fish and their oils going by knowledge that we can only guess at, but seemingly most of this stuff is far removed from anything resembling the original oil. No doubt about it. I would LOVE to be able to eat fresh fish and forget about taking fish oil, but man has ruined and/or lied about the lot of them so what are we to do?

Does the writer have any idea where we can find these "pure" fish oils mentioned in the quote? It seems that whoever writes about this has some sort of bias or other.
Another thing, maybe we need to save any rancid fish oils and solve the styrofoam problem altogether! At least help save the planet!  


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Quoted from Spring
All these arguments back and forth --- are all of them lying, some of them, hardly any of them or what?! C_Sharp, I would suppose that this is a common reference - do we have a link? The sarcasm in the article raises a few red flags to me...... I keep wondering how under the sun something so "engineered" by man can be healthy by any stretch of the imagination. I don't doubt that God formed the fish and their oils going by knowledge that we can only guess at, but seemingly most of this stuff is far removed from anything resembling the original oil. No doubt about it. I would LOVE to be able to eat fresh fish and forget about taking fish oil, but man has ruined and/or lied about the lot of them so what are we to do?

Does the writer have any idea where we can find these "pure" fish oils mentioned in the quote? It seems that whoever writes about this has some sort of bias or other.
Another thing, maybe we need to save any rancid fish oils and solve the styrofoam problem altogether! At least help save the planet!  


spring, are you aware that you can buy fish oil right here...Happens to be on sale right now.
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GT1-4SYN



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C_Sharp, I would suppose that this is a common reference - do we have a link? The sarcasm in the article raises a few red flags to me...... I keep wondering how under the sun something so "engineered" by man can be healthy by any stretch of the imagination.


Tone does not matter here. Chemistry is what matters.

The quote is from:

http://honestnutrition.blogspot.com/2013/05/does-fish-oil-dissolve-styrofoam-and-is.html

But there is no need to use this source, if you do not like the tone.

Just do a google search, you will find other sources that explain about ethyl ester and dissolving of styrofoam.

https://www.google.com/#q=fish+oil+ethyl+ester+dissolve+styrofoam


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One thing I think we can depend on is that it would be hard to fool people into thinking that some other kind of fish is catfish! I mean, why would they since catfish is such a lowly sort of fish anyway. Here is a link to a description of their lives from birth to the table:

http://www.catfish.net/basics.html

And here is what farm-raised catfish are fed:

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The largest ingredient in the feed is soybean meal, with some corn and rice ingredients. The feed is routinely assayed for moisture, protein, fat, and fiber, and periodically for selected micronutrients to ensure nutritional value. Each batch of feed is checked for physical characteristics, including floatability.


We have a friend who may be able to give me more details about this, but he travels all over the place so it may be a while before I can get in touch with him. It is funny, but I may be able to actually eat a fish that gets the soybean meal that is impossible to find for those of us who otherwise can't find it anywhere! I've never eaten a catfish that bothered me so maybe the corn wouldn't be too big of a problem. I have actually seen some of these lakes where they raise them, and they were beautiful places and very clean.


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Tone does not matter here. Chemistry is what matters.
Maybe not to you, but it does to me. It is not professional. They sound too much like the people they are trying to label as being ignorant. And, oh, yes, I have read plenty of that stuff you get when you Google it. The war is raging about it, and most of them sound like crazed, wild-eyed "scientists!"  And I can't decide which side makes more sense. Not simply about the styrofoam deal, of course. However, it does give a person pause to see a huge hole taken out of an otherwise almost indestructible object. And we haven't even gotten into the rancidity problem that you can't help but wonder if it afflicts a whole lot of the stuff out there. Talk about rabid, sky-high inflammatory problems. Phew! Those catfish sound better and better. Or even a can of tuna now and then. Who wants dyed "salmon" or something called cod that might be any number of cheaper junk.... I suppose I wouldn't be so riled up about this if I didn't love fish so much.


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I see fish oil as being "natural" in that it's simply making up for something that was a part of my ancestors' diets, but isn't so rich in my own. I figure it helps balance out the "not so good fats" in the meats I can afford (NOT grass fed.) It also compensates for the fact that I'm NOT eating locally-caught fish on a regular basis. Other supplements compensate for the nutrients that used to be in food, but are no longer readily found in soils.


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Yes, Ruthie, I have been a great believer in fish oil for the last twenty-five years or so. The thing that swept me off my feet was how it helped the depression I was having so severely during the Candidiasis horror I went through. I've just been getting concerned about it in the last while - not fish oil itself but what manufacturers may be doing to it. I have no clue why I hadn't thought of Dr. D. marketing it. Never crossed my mind until Chloe mentioned it. Anyway, I am going to order some ASAP and see how it compares with what I have been taking for a long time.


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