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Cristina
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Since eventually people read both label and directions, it would be most user friendly to use identical quantities in both.


I am not too sure about that.  Labels have to have some sort of standard when it comes to the breakdown of nutrients and I do not know what the law requirements for those standards are, but I do know that if I am a user that wants to compare the breakdown of nutrients from two different products in a shelf, I rather have them broken down in the same serving size, irrespective of what the recommended dosage for each of those products may be.  Product A dosage may be two tsps, product b 6 tsp, but if the breakdown of nutrients is 1 tsp, I can decide on the spot what product is better suited for me, the one with the more or less nutrients and take it from there when it comes to determine dosage needed.

It will be a nightmare if product A label had a dosage and serving size breakdown of nutrients for 2 tsp and product B had a dosage and serving size breakdown for 6 tsp (its recommended dosage).  Then, on the spot I will find myself struggling to calculate dividing each nutrient breakdown by 2 in product A and by 6 in product B so I can get the unit worth for each to fairly compare nutrients ... Can you see why standards may be useful when it comes to labeling?




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The serving size on the label has a specific use/purpose: the size to which the breakdown quantities on the label relate. The dose is specified in the Directions.

Since eventually people read both label and directions, it would be most user friendly to use identical quantities in both.
Correction (after a short night sleep and 13 minutes brisk walking)   :

The serving size presented on the label has a sole specific use/purpose: it is the size to which the breakdown quantities on the label relate. The dose on the other hand is specified in the Directions.

Since eventually people read both label and directions, as a rule the serving size and the dose which appear on the bottle are identical, which is naturally the most user friendly presentation.

I assume that the 2 different figures in the case of Membrosia Complex are a slip of tongue, and I hope this is going to be corrected.

  




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Labels have to have some sort of standard when it comes to the breakdown of nutrients
Alas such a standard is impossible, because capsules/tablets come in a variety of sizes in order to match customers personal needs. So you have to calculate anyway. Even when the label specifies the breakdown both per capsule and per 100mg you'll still have to do your calculations for your personal need.



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What is easier?

1.- serving per 2 capsule
Vit A - 100mc
Vit B- 50
Vit C- 25

2.- Serving per 3 capsules
Vit A - 500
Vit B 60
Vit C - 45

In order to compare these two products I have the extra step of calculating the per capsule value in both of them first, then compare the nutrients for each product (but only after I find out what the per capsule value was first, it will be much easier if that was already depicted in each product.  The standard showing the nutrient breakdown being per capsule already done for me.

OK, I cannot make it any clearer and it does not matter so much for me, this explorer warrior can make the calculations with or without the extra step, no matter how difficult of easy the job is in front of her ... if needed for the better health of her type ...

BTW, I am just stating what I consider to be easier handling of these labels for me, but I can understand and accept we are all unique and different in the way we see 'easy' or 'difficult' tasks ...




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Cristina, I wanted to add something about Dr. D's supps. They are like a special world apart from other manufacturers' supps, of extraordinary qualities and unmatched combinations of ingredients, so there's less ground for me to compare them with other products, particularly because of the synergistic factor, which augments greatly/tremendously the power of the supplements. I am sure this calls for some special consulting, which I think in my case has already become practical, because I take a lot of them. Sometimes I eat a little something for supper just in order to give some bed to the evening supps.


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I just feel that confusion is not the way to explain something clearly to a consumer....Make it simple....make it concise and put priority information clearly in a location on a container or
package where it's understood without further searching.  Priority information is not the serving size but the dosage size is... I personally don't really care how a serving size was derived.  In my world although maybe not in everyone's world....serving size means how much I serve myself.  I was about to serve myself one teaspoon of product, when I should be knowing this isn't what is meant...
I should be looking for dosing info.  Come on....this is ridiculous and I'd never be comparing this
label  to any other product with a similar lable.....because Dr. D makes products that aren't comparable to anything else. These are all original formulas.

Puleeze....just tell me and everyone else how much to take of this powder and tell me in a location on the package where I won't miss it!  Tell me to double the serving size....Tell me anything useful so I won't be confused....

Not a difficult request, right??


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But aren't there directions on the bottle? I see directions on every bottle, and they tell what is the dosage...  


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But aren't there directions on the bottle? I see directions on every bottle, and they tell what is the dosage...  



If you check out the label of the oil which is called fluidizer, you will see that the serving size means exactly the same thing as the DOSE to take.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP076

The discrepancy is not so much between these products and some standardized way to write things that an industry might use across the board.... it's two products from the same formula that aren't matching with one another in verbiage.

Serving size for powder....1 tsp (incorrect for dosing)  plus it states that there are 30 servings in the container.
Going by dosing, there are 15 doses in a container.  It takes 2 tsp to make one dose.

Serving size for oil -- 1 1/2 tsp (CORRECT for dosing)

Why am I having to understand that on the oil label, the serving size means dosing but on the powder,
the serving size means it's not dosing but how much of each ingredient makes up one serving
size.  And I find that totally irrelevant.

I don't know how else to keep explaining how ridiculous this seems to me.  Am I the only person who thinks the oil and the powder should be using the same verbiage? Why call a serving size on
one package the dosing size and on the other package you have to double the serving size to
reach a dosing size.

Oxymoronic!!!  And if this label is never changed, well...at least I know how much of each product to take
and hope everyone else has a calculator or can read super fine print better than I can.


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Yes Chloe, I get it now.  I did not know that the serving size in the bottle was 1.5!!! That does not sound like any standard requirement to me.  I do not see any standards saying: solids must be in individual units but liquids can be in any fraction units. It is ridiculous!!  In that case they should definitely change the serving unit in the powder to match the serving dose.  If there is no industry standard regulation forcing them to do otherwise, at least they should address the convenient of their btdrs!!!

Lesson learn from me:  keep my explorer inquisitive and warrior need to share brain to myself if I have not got the whole picture.  Sorry guys for wasting your time with my opinions in here, but I did not have the products and only just then with that last link from Chloe, did I realized the real discrepancy in the label!

Oh well, nice to be in such a friendly environment where even when some of us tie ourselves in knots, others can see our good intentions and are patient enough to untangle us in a friendly way   

Here is hoping they are rally watching this and we may see some sort of D'Adamo labelling standard  to make it easier for us in the future.  But please, if that means increasing the cost of these supps, I rather they stay as they are ...    I think we may all agree on that ...




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Cristina, no apology required whatsoever....this is quite difficult to explain and I think I might have
made this clearer from the start had I linked to the oil which shows how these two formulas don't
speak the same verbiage...Sorry it took me so long to make this clear enough for all..Sometimes I
think it's easy to leave out part of a story when you think everyone is seeing what you're seeing.

And if you don't have both the bottle and container of membrosia complex sitting in your house and using it every day, you probably couldn't have understood what I was trying to convey.

Well...I think we now leave this up to DPN if they'd like to create a new label for the powder to get
rid of the discrepancy  -- it would be so much better if both product labels were synched to be offering servings that reflect one another's value of measurement.


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Chloe: Agree.




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Serving size for powder....1 tsp (incorrect for dosing)
What do the Directions on the bottle say? (I don't have the supp)



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What do the Directions on the bottle say? (I don't have the supp)



Directions say to take 2 tsp of the powder, mix it with 1 1/2 teaspoons of the oil plus juice....but the serving size portion for the oil says it's 1 1/2 tsp yet the serving size for the powder says it's one teaspoon.

Powder:   Serving size is 1 tsp....dosing is 2 teaspoons.

Oil:  Serving size is 1 1/2 tsp.  Dosing is 1 1/2 teaspoons.






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Directions say to take 2 tsp of the powder
There. I guess/hope the label is being fixed right now: I don't have an access to 'products and services'...



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I don't have an access to 'products and services'...



Neither does anyone else at the moment.  There is a problem on the IIS server used to host the DNP site.  Hopefully things will be resolved shortly.


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Checking the ingredients in the Membrosia Complex I see, that the dosages of lecithin and oil are less than in the original membrosia recipe: Lecithin is approx. 2.14 grams, and the oils are 1.5 teaspoons, while if I am not mistaken, back in the original recipe each was 1 tablespoon. So I am going to reduce quantities in the membrosia I prepare at home accordingly and hope it's OK. I use only 3 oils: flax seed, walnut, and black cumin, so it will be 1/2 a teaspoon of each.

I continue to take the Trehalose Complex separately.


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This recommendation for Trehalose Complex doesn't appear in the notes for Membrosia Complex:
"Dr. D'Adamo recommends taking Trehalose an hour away from green tea, coffee, curcumin or quercetin."  


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I don't have an access to 'products and services'...



Should have access now.


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Should have access now.
Thanks! It's all right now, the server is back.



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I agree that the dosing for Membrosia is confusing. That is being worked on.  These glitches more or less come with the territory when you are developing a product that is unique and requires integrating a powder with a liquid.


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I agree that the dosing for Membrosia is confusing. That is being worked on.  These glitches more or less come with the territory when you are developing a product that is unique and requires integrating a powder with a liquid.



Thank you.....YAY!


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I have been taking the Membrosia Combo for a couple of weeks.  I was wondering if it would be beneficial to also take the Trehalose Complex also?  The Membrosia Combo does have some Trehalose in it.  

And, if beneficial to add Trehalose to my supplements would it be OK to add it in with my Membrosia Combo - I mix my Membrosia Combo with Black Cherry Juice Concentrate.

Hope to hear soon   
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I took my Membrosia Combo at the end of my hot water and lemon with beet crystals.  First thing in the morning.  Usually added 1/4-1/2 tsp. of Trehalose Complex to that too.



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What are beet crystals?


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