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Averno
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Just got off the phone with customer service asking about my original question that started this thread.  

The Membrosia Combo has 2 Avoids for me on my Swami, soy lecithin and cod liver oil.  But I was told that the  positive benefits of the Membrosia Combo out weigh the avoids.  Not that I can take those things by themselves, but that in this combination they are okay.  Glad to hear that since I had already purchased it.


But is this the same answer for everyone?

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It may be, because I wasn't asked, nor did I mention my blood type or genotype.  Check for yourself if there's an area of concern.



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But is this the same answer for everyone?



For what it's worth, I was told by the clinic that this formula is for everyone, so to assure yourself,
call customer service for confirmation.

And everyone might want to read this.  Last paragraph Dr. D speaks about the lecithin in the
formula....soy isn't present in the final purified product.

http://www.4yourtype.com/NEWSLETTER_10_10.asp#Peter



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For what it's worth, I was told by the clinic that this formula is for everyone, so to assure yourself,
call customer service for confirmation.

And everyone might want to read this.  Last paragraph Dr. D speaks about the lecithin in the
formula....soy isn't present in the final purified product.

http://www.4yourtype.com/NEWSLETTER_10_10.asp#Peter



Ah... There it is. Thank you so much, Chloe!  

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Given that Swami contrdicts soy lecithin's safety, I think an administrator shoulld weigh in on this subject. We need to trust our Swami reports.
Of course!! I didn't expect the admins to rack their brains on this! It has just occured to me (it's breakfast time over here) that I may also alternate the egg yolk and soy lecithins.



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Didn't we discuss the suitability of soy lecithin for all Genotypes in an earlier thread? I seem to recall that Andrea did the research and determined the soy lectins and other nasties were completely washed out in processing.

Given that Swami contrdicts soy lecithin's safety, I think an administrator shoulld weigh in on this subject. We need to trust our Swami reports.
Somehow the more we share about this, more solutions appear and settle in  



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Posted by: Dr. D

Soy lecithin has virtually no protein or carbohydrates in it. You can't even measure them at the level of 1 part per ten million, so for most people it's
fine.


soybean Granules, Lecithin" in vegetable protein section is the texturized soy, which is an avoid for most
read the latest NL at DPN
http://www.4yourtype.com/NEWSLETTER_10_10.asp#Peter
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Please Note: Lecithin, which is most often derived from soy, can be an avoid food for some blood types. We've looked at this extensively and fear not. The purification of lecithin from soy is so complete and absolute that it is virtually impossible to detect as much as even a single molecule of soy DNA in the finished product.


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"soybean Granules, Lecithin" in vegetable protein section is the texturized soy, which is an avoid for most
read the latest NL at DPN
http://www.4yourtype.com/NEWSLETTER_10_10.asp#Peter
Thank you ever so much!!!

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I agree, contact customer service but to get the go-ahead I emailed the clinic because DH and I are patients and both of us were given membrosia cocktails that don't contain any of the oils in this new complex.  But we were both told we could absolutely switch to the combo and both of us are doing very well on it.

It's too soon to give a testimony because we had been using a singular oil membrosia cocktail for a year prior to this change so the results will be evident when we go back to the clinic in Feb to get another bioimpedence test.  The difference between using just one oil vs this combined ratio of oils makes me very excited to look forward to my testing again. I would like to see an improved
phase angle. (you might have to do some research on bioimpedence testing to understand
what I'm talking about or listen to the link below of Dr. D's lecture in London)

This test will show if our cells contain the proper amount of fluid inside vs outside.  Old, sick people have too much fluid outside of their cells because the cell membrane is so stiff and hard, nutrients can't get in and toxins can't flow out.

For us, it's been 5 days that we're on it. We rotate pineapple juice, grapefruit and grape juice.
1tsp of the powder and 1 1/2 tsp of the oil.  I have to say I feel good....DH feels good but are
we profoundly noticing a difference since we began this protocol?...difficult to quantify just yet.

Neither of us take trehalose complex independently of this new protocol.  There is a little bit
of trehalose in the powder of this combo.

So here's something I quickly found about black cumin seed oil

http://www.naturalnews.com/038644_black_cumin_oil_immune_system_nk_cells.html

As I understand it, these particular oils in this new formula are in perfect balance to give you the proper omega 3, 6 and 9 ratio.  So that's the major improvement over using your own oils and
using just one instead of many.

This is rather a guess on my part but although cod liver oil taken individually might tip your balance of omega 3 oils too far in one direction, I'm wondering if combined in this perfect balance does a little bit of CLO give you greater benefits.  This combo is designed for everyone and is the new gold standard for achieving cell membrane flexibility.  As we age, the membrane gets stiff and hard so softening would be one main goal of this new formula.

I've listened to both parts of this lecture by Dr. D and it's amazingly interesting.
He explains about the membrane fluidizer in the second half of his lecture and the test that
measures it's level of success.  If you get a chance, listen to it.

http://www.4yourtype.com/NEWSLETTER_10_10.asp#Martha


Making anyone taking this formula aware that there is an error in the instructions on the website for the
powder.  On the product page, it says to use 2 tsp of the powder but the container says to use ONE teaspoon
of the powder.  The print was so small I couldn't read it so I followed what it said on the product page.  I just
contacted customer service to make them aware and corrected my post above to reflect ONE teaspoon....but I was inadvertently taking this formula all  wrong.....and used up my powder and my husband's in 2 weeks instead of a month.  Hoping NAP makes a correction so nobody else gets it wrong.


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I do not mean to contradict support. But the container clearly states to use two teaspoons of the powder and not one teaspoon when mixing.

But there are two combos:

A 15 day combo and a thirty day combo.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HP065

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HP066

The difference between a 15 day combo and a thirty combo is 15 days includes one container of powder. The thirty day combo includes two containers of powder.

One container or powder lasts 15 days when used according to the instructions printed on the container.  If you want the combo to last thirty days, you need to order the combo with two containers of powder.

The instruction printed on the container are the same as on the website.

Mix two (2) level teaspoons with juice and Membosia fluidizer ...




The reference to one teaspoon on the container is the amount of powder used to figure the amounts (1080 mg Lecithin in a teaspoon, 1080 mg trehalose per teaspoon, 960 mg ribose per teaspoon, 240 mg Uridine, 120 mg L-Glutamine per teaspoon).

These are the amounts per teaspoon, but the directions on the container says to use two teaspoons.  You will get twice the amount listed when you prepare the cocktail according to the directions.



These are not the instructions for mixing! These are what the product contains in one teaspoon.  The directions for mixing are printed to the right of the supplement facts on the membrosia complex container.


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I do not mean to contradict support. But the container clearly states to use two teaspoons of the powder and not one teaspoon when mixing.

But there are two combos:

A 15 day combo and a thirty day combo.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HP065

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HP066

The difference between a 15 day combo and a thirty combo is 15 days includes one container of powder. The thirty day combo includes two containers of powder.

One container or powder lasts 15 days when used according to the instructions printed on the container.  If you want the combo to last thirty days, you need to order the combo with two containers of powder.

The instruction printed on the container are the same as on the website.

Mix two (2) level teaspoons with juice and Membosia fluidizer ...




The reference to one teaspoon on the container is the amount of powder used to figure the amounts (1080 mg Lecithin in a teaspoon, 1080 mg trehalose per teaspoon, 960 mg ribose per teaspoon, 240 mg Uridine, 120 mg L-Glutamine per teaspoon).

These are the amounts per teaspoon, but the directions on the container says to use two teaspoons.  You will get twice the amount listed when you prepare the cocktail according to the directions.



These are not the instructions for mixing! These are what the product contains in one teaspoon.  The directions for mixing are printed to the right of the supplement facts on the membrosia complex container.


The label you posted says" Serving size:  one teaspoon.  Yes, I read your explanation...
It just makes no sense to me.  

Don't people generally see the words serving size and take it literally?  Do people need calculations that tell them how much of each product equals ONE teaspoon or would they have
preferred to understand right there to be taking two teaspoons of this powder as one serving.

What does one serving mean to you?  To me it means "measure out this amount".  I do that for
grains, for liquid measurements like almond milk.  I measure what is called one serving size.

But in this case, everyone should say to themselves "nope, this has nothing to do with how you
measure this out for your mixing....this is just information in case you'd like to know how we
divided up the individual contents".  And that right there, it becomes confusing.

I'm curious of the perception of other people after seeing the exact label... I don't feel like I'm an idiot.....but I can't imagine having to go look elsewhere on the container for a place that says to ignore what you just read as one serving size and take TWO teaspoons to mix with your oil.

Why not just say two teaspoons is the serving size?  And let people clearly understand that you
need to mix two teaspoons of powder with your liquid....State it right there next to this
one teaspoon in parenthesis, not somewhere else on the package because truthfully, how
many people are going to keep looking for more measurements after they see one serving size is
one teaspoon?   After I read this, I didn't bother to look anywhere else.

Just showed my husband and he totally agrees with me.

This is more convoluted than it needs to be...

And I ordered a 6 month supply...so I know it's 12 containers of powder to 6 bottles of oil.



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I agree with Chloe, it is confusing. 1 bottle of oil is a 30 day supply, but 1 container of the dry stuff is a 15 day supply. And to further confuse, the dry stuff says it is 30 servings. Whuuu...? Oddly enough, the container looks about half full.

When I saw what I thought was a typo (serving size 1 tsp.) I decided to follow the dosing instruction because, having purchased the 30 day supply, the contents in the container looked like it would only last 15 days-- hence 2 containers. But I dont ever recall a lable parsed this way. The nutrient breakdown is for a half-dose  


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But I dont ever recall a lable parsed this way. The nutrient breakdown is for a half-dose  




I see this type of thing all the time on labels.

I think the assumption is people can do math.

I may have to do this sort of math several times a day to scale things to the correct proportion.


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The label you posted says" Serving size:  one teaspoon.  Yes, I read your explanation...
It just makes no sense to me.  


The package has a label --

Directions:

It is in bold type.

It gives the directions on how to mix there. It says to use two teaspoons




This is the same as if one were to go to the grocery store and buy a cake mix:



The nutritional information is for 1/10 of a package.

But when you go to prepare the cake, one would not measure out a tenth of the package, because that is the serving size on the nutrition panel. Instead you follow the mixing directions. That is the entire package with one cup water, one stick butter, and three eggs.  If someone were to eat the cake they also would not get exactly one tenth of the box.





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Why not just say two teaspoons is the serving size?  And let people clearly understand ...



I certainly agree.

Perhaps on the the next printing of the labels, they will take care of it. Certainly an easy fix.


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Why not just say two teaspoons is the serving size?


One reason that this is done at times is that the "conventional" or "comparative" measurements are in a specific size, so to make it easier to compare products, they choose a standardized measurement.

Understand that this is not meant to say this is the case in this instance, it is something I have observed, however...


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I certainly agree.

Perhaps on the the next printing of the labels, they will take care of it. Certainly an easy fix.
Quite so. I'm positive they should. This is going to clarify all confusions here.



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But the serving size is 2 teaspoons. There are 15 servings per container.
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In all reality, people shouldn't have to be doing math calculations or doubt what they're reading
when they see that one serving is one teaspoon.....and then say to themselves "aha....this probably
means I'm supposed to be reading somewhere else to learn that I should be taking TWO teaspoons.

Standardized measurements in this instance makes these particular instructions very confusing.

And really, for the cost of this product, there really should be a small measuring scoop included
in the powder container.

Another issue I've had is running out of powder before I used up the oil.  Yes, I know....2 containers of powder to one bottle of oil is one month....but I'm on the 3rd container of powder and still have some oil left in my first bottle.   I could see that my second container of powder looked seriously lightweight.  Used it anyway and ran out very quickly.




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In all reality, people shouldn't have to be doing math calculations or doubt what they're reading
when they see that one serving is one teaspoon.....and then say to themselves "aha....this probably
means I'm supposed to be reading somewhere else to learn that I should be taking TWO teaspoons.
ditto.

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And really, for the cost of this product, there really should be a small measuring scoop included in the powder container.
     Especially in this one, since it requires some attention to prepare, and since it is basically and practically for everybody, at least over 40.



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How about this:
Serving size = 1 teaspoon
Dose = 2 teaspoons
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How about this:
Serving size = 1 teaspoon
Dose = 2 teaspoons


Maybe the labeling standards do not give them a choice and the nutrients breakdown has to be done in one of the standard sizes, in this case teaspoon  (for market comparison, etc).

The directions for use is the indication of how to take them and according to these posts is 2 teaspoons.  

The devil is in the detail: Product claims approx 30 servings per container, not 30 days.  Easier to assume the later even though we are doubling the serving size in the dosage and the companion oil seem to last the 30 days ...

The scoop idea is good with the clarification that 'each scoop = 2 servings) and dosage = 1 scoop.  But even then the difference between 30 days and 30 servings may be easily lost for most of us ...





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Maybe the labeling standards do not give them a choice and the nutrients breakdown has to be done in one of the standard sizes, in this case teaspoon  (for market comparison, etc).

The directions for use is the indication of how to take them and according to these posts is 2 teaspoons.  

The devil is in the detail: Product claims approx 30 servings per container, not 30 days.  Easier to assume the later even though we are doubling the serving size in the dosage and the companion oil seem to last the 30 days ...

The scoop idea is good with the clarification that 'each scoop = 2 servings) and dosage = 1 scoop.  But even then the difference between 30 days and 30 servings may be easily lost for most of us ...



You nailed it Ligia.....and Cristina....Dose belongs right under serving size.    Just the word "dose" speaks volumes and makes it very clear how much to take....No searching all over the container to find more instructions that seem to contradict a serving size........although for anyone who chooses to read more on the container....that's fine....but give us as much info as possible immediately.



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The serving size on the label has a specific use/purpose: the size to which the breakdown quantities on the label relate. The dose is specified in the Directions.

Since eventually people read both label and directions, it would be most user friendly to use identical quantities in both.


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