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Chloe
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And his BP is still high? He's internalizing his stress. He needs yoga, or chi gong and meditation..he can mentally learn to lower his BP with his mind  alone.  The mind controls the body.  Most of the time it's our subconscious mind controlling it.  He's got some kind of belief that he can't let his stress show and he interlizes it causing high BP. He's got to change his belief.  


No, his B/P is not still high....last few readings were good!    Better diet, Tranquility Base.....
+ magnesium.





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Since I'm making dairy kefir on a regular basis, and therefore getting more calcium in my diet, I'm taking more magnesium. I do notice that when I eat foods high in calcium and don't take enough (or any) magnesium, I get foot cramps in the night.


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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Since I'm making dairy kefir on a regular basis, and therefore getting more calcium in my diet, I'm taking more magnesium. I do notice that when I eat foods high in calcium and don't take enough (or any) magnesium, I get foot cramps in the night.


Good news  


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. I do notice that when I eat foods high in calcium and don't take enough (or any) magnesium, I get foot cramps in the night.


Curious, how much water do you drink Drea?
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Curious, how much water do you drink Drea?


Probably not enough plain water, but I do drink somewhere between 1/2 to 1 gallon of liquids in the form of water kefir, herbal tea, and water... why do you ask?


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Probably not enough plain water, but I do drink somewhere between 1/2 to 1 gallon of liquids in the form of water kefir, herbal tea, and water... why do you ask?


I'm researching the correlation of muscle cramps with proper hydration.    My mother had severe night thigh cramps and she was dehydrated.   You drink a gallon of liquid a day? awesome. Do you sweat profusely? If one sweats a lot, that's how you lose electrolytes and mostly salt.  
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I'm researching the correlation of muscle cramps with proper hydration.    My mother had severe night thigh cramps and she was dehydrated.   You drink a gallon of liquid a day? awesome. Do you sweat profusely? If one sweats a lot, that's how you lose electrolytes and mostly salt.  


I don't sweat a lot; mostly just when it's hot.


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I'm researching the correlation of muscle cramps with proper hydration.    My mother had severe night thigh cramps and she was dehydrated.   You drink a gallon of liquid a day? awesome. Do you sweat profusely? If one sweats a lot, that's how you lose electrolytes and mostly salt.  


Please share your research findings. I'm sure it will help many people.  I've read by the time you
feel thirsty you're already very dehydrated.



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Thanks, Mayflowers, for the reminder to drink lots of water. It's hard to balance getting everything often enough. I am way overdue for water and also for my homeopathic remedy. I'm eating well though, made my ghee and soaked my nuts, made kefir and planted a veggie garden!


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Chloe,

Are you getting enough of the other minerals? My foot cramps were always relieved by magnesium until just last week when two doses would not help. I wound up in the hospital in pain, and blood tests showed that I was fine on all minerals except a trace low on potassium.

I didn't want to take potassium, because it caused a cramp to get worse some years ago- I've avoided it ever since.

The next day, I called my homeopath, who insisted I start on potassium salt. Once I did that, my foot cramps have been alleviated even though I am cutting back on magnesium. I just don't need so much now.

I hope you find a similarly good solution.


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Chloe,

Are you getting enough of the other minerals? My foot cramps were always relieved by magnesium until just last week when two doses would not help. I wound up in the hospital in pain, and blood tests showed that I was fine on all minerals except a trace low on potassium.

I didn't want to take potassium, because it caused a cramp to get worse some years ago- I've avoided it ever since.

The next day, I called my homeopath, who insisted I start on potassium salt. Once I did that, my foot cramps have been alleviated even though I am cutting back on magnesium. I just don't need so much now.

I hope you find a similarly good solution.


Sorry you wound up in the hospital...And if you were just a trace low on potassium, what was the actual cause of your foot cramps? Did they treat you at all at the hospital?  Were you
dehydrated in general?  Or just low in potassium salts?  What form are you taking now?

I've read if you have muscular issues on the right side of your body, it's a potassium deficiency....left sided, it's sodium.  When I put a pinch of sea salt in a big bottle of water with juice of half a lemon and drink it all day, I know I'm getting sodium/potassium correctly in balance.  Lately, the magnesium that's working best for me is Natural Calm. I still use a little magnesium oil transdermally  but not as much as I once did. The Natural Calm is a powder (mag citrate) mixed in water first thing in the AM).  I went through a couple of weeks where I just couldn't get my minerals balanced.  I was outside a lot in the heat and I think maybe from sweating that my sodium was on the low side as my left knee was hurting.  When I remembered to drink the lemon water with salt every day, knee felt better.

I'm glad to hear you're doing better. Sometimes too much of one mineral throws off the others.
I just don't like taking a lot of calcium....Just what's in the basic Polyvite A because I'd rather get
calcium from foods if I can.

Astounding though that just being a "trace low" in potassium could give you so much pain that
it warranted a trip to the ER.  Feel well!  

Ever take Bioplasma?  The tissue salt formula that contains every mineral salt in balance.
http://thebreathoflife.net/herbalstore/catalog/mi_bioplasma.php



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Hi Chloe,

Yes, just a trace low, but the cramp would not stop. Normally a dose of magnesium stopped it, but this time, two doses did not. I also took half a day's dose of a food-based multi-mineral, and that did not help. I had purposely gotten one that had no potassium, though- and over time, I guess I developed a potassium deficiency.

It was my right foot- glad to know about the right-left thing. Thanks.

I take potassium salt (in a little cardboard salt shaker), but as I don't like the flavor, I turn the top to open the pour spout into a tiny hole through which I can pour it into a capsule. I take 1/4 tsp. per day. And I have felt soooo much better- with much less magnesium.

I'm not saying it is the same for you, but it is just something to consider.

Yes, I did take Bioplasma when I was younger, but did not think about that lately.


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I was just reading about demineralization of the body being caused by a high acidic condition because of the body using up minerals to keep the body acid balanced. I wonder if anyone has ever had a disease that didn't bring on a high acidic condition..... Another clear reason to make sure we eat the portions of Live Foods recommended by Dr. D. in our SWAMI's! AND the right portions of other foods that create a high acidic condition! We make our health so much better in so many different ways! If our magnesium is low, maybe we should be checking our pH. And, yes, I know that the blood and the urine are two different things altogether, but what we eat can certainly affect how our bodies are able to keep balanced. And the blood is going to do its best to stay balanced if it takes every resource in our bodies to do it!

Maybe when we have cravings it can sometimes be that our  pH is simply too low. I suppose it is possible that they could also be caused by the pH being too high, but I don't think I have ever had that condition in my entire life!!


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I was just reading about demineralization of the body being caused by a high acidic condition because of the body using up minerals to keep the body acid balanced. I wonder if anyone has ever had a disease that didn't bring on a high acidic condition..... Another clear reason to make sure we eat the portions of Live Foods recommended by Dr. D. in our SWAMI's! AND the right portions of other foods that create a high acidic condition! We make our health so much better in so many different ways! If our magnesium is low, maybe we should be checking our pH. And, yes, I know that the blood and the urine are two different things altogether, but what we eat can certainly affect how our bodies are able to keep balanced. And the blood is going to do its best to stay balanced if it takes every resource in our bodies to do it!

Maybe when we have cravings it can sometimes be that our  pH is simply too low. I suppose it is possible that they could also be caused by the pH being too high, but I don't think I have ever had that condition in my entire life!!


That's a very good point, especially for blood type A....Acidity can become a problem for As who
are overdoing grains or eat too much acidic proteins.  But I try to consume my 5-6 cups of vegetables per day plus 3 fruits.  If other foods are acidic -- like nuts, seeds, grains and beans, I can't imagine what the solution could be because these are beneficial foods. I do know a person can become acidic by shallow breathing....hyperventilating....Proper breathing can restore acid/alkaline balance....

Spring, Can you please share what you were reading about demineralization ?  Is it a book or something online with a link?


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I've just started this study, Chloe, and my eyes have been popping out, to say the least. It is a huge study with so many tangents... Here is a link that I think you would be interested in reading and checking out some of the links in it:
http://www.osteopenia3.com/Cause-of-Osteopenia.html

The reason I got more interested in this than ever is that our dear friend who was recently diagnosed with grade 10 bladder cancer (this is different from stage 10) is making sure he is testing alkaline all the time with an expensive machine that makes alkaline water. So from my looking into this and other related information I came across this about an acidic condition causing demineralization of the body. There is a lot online about this causing problems with the teeth, for instance - I suppose that is the most visible and noticeable sign of a mineral deficiency. And, of course, the mouth would be the first place to encounter foods or drink that create an acidic state.

With several different forms of stress lately, I developed a really bad case of too much acid. My reading was down through the floor when I finally got around to checking it. It wasn't so much that my stomach felt acidic, but I was aching from head to toe. So I have been loading up on anything that will bring the number up.  I am feeling much better now but still have a ways to go. As soon as I feel better than I do now I am going to make a really alkaline soup that I can keep in the freezer if this should happen again anytime soon. I have been taking a lot of Chlorella too. This is a very interesting study and actually includes a lot of what we have already learned elsewhere.

I know that we A's are walking a fine line between not enough acid and too much. If I have had a normal reading for awhile and start eating a lot of lamb, for instance, my energy goes sky high partly because of the acid in the lamb, but if I ate lamb every day, soon my energy would plummet because of too much acid for my body. And, as Dr. D. has pointed out - I think I am relating this correctly - after strenuous activity an acidic condition can be created, and he feels that is a good sign that we have benefited from our exercise. But, for me, I can't do that on a regular basis because of the danger of becoming overwhelmed with too much acid. When that happens other health issues start appearing. One being the pain I have already mentioned.


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Thanks for that link, Spring....very interesting.  Pretty much stuff I know but forget I have to pay more
attention to...Ever read that book "Alkalize or Die"? By Theodore Barody.....I've read my book so many times, pages are held together with a big rubber band.  When I was juicing, staying alkalized was really
easy....but juicing takes a lot of effort and so I rationalize I can just as well eat the veggies and fruit.

As for actually taking HCL....Every time I do that, I get these bumps on the bones of my fingers....
something about HCL causes calcification on small bones whether or not I take calcium in supplement
form or not.  It's just weird and always seems to happen.

I also try to walk around with lemon or lime in my drinking water with a pinch of sea salt....which is
alkalizing and a precursor for HCL to be produced naturally.  Learned that many years ago from a
chiropractor who was telling me this when I was in my 30s.

Salt is alkalizing....So is magnesium.  I put mag citrate powder in  water and sip it during the day too.

Is all aches and pains an acidic condition?  Or could it be from simple dehydration?  I never can tell
if I'm dehydrated although I rarely feel a sensation of thirst.  Do you?

How much is a LOT of chlorella?  Powder or pills?  I have both and will give it a try.  Green powders
in general are alkalizing but chlorella has a lot of other great nutrients. I tend to do things for awhile
and then move onto something else.  Will have to try chlorella again.  Did you start with a lower dose
and work up? Just need a ballpark dose amount if you could give me a suggestion.

Thanks again....good info on that osteopenia site!  


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Chloe, I always start off with a low "dose" of anything. So I started with one capsule of Chlorella per day and worked up to about six. Which is still a "low" dose to many people. It helps the acidic condition to drink a lot of water (brings my number up), and eventually it helps the pain. But when I have a bad case of this it takes DAYS to get it under control. The main problem being, I think, that I am busy with other things and don't recognize it coming on before it gets really bad.

As for an acidic condition causing all pain, I don't know, but in my opinion right now, I think it causes a lot more problems than we have thought.

I have to be careful with even sea salt or my blood pressure will start going up. Or maybe the stress comes first, then I notice that I am eating more salt and blame my blood pressure going up on the salt! I have to do some experimenting on that...

I wish I could do the lemon, etc., but it is out for now. I tried a little stevia on a baked sweet potato that needed some help today, and it was really good! The syrups and honey have a tendency to bother me sometimes. I think I may be a little allergic to honey and maple syrup makes my stomach hurt every time I eat it. The stevia didn't bother me, so far, but I only used a small amount. It is a neutral for me.

I had a really bad experience with HCL the last time I tried it. Of course, my entire esophagus was inflamed so that could have been the problem. I have scar tissue from that, and I am wondering if that is the reason I have trouble with lemon, etc.. I am going to ask my doctor about it when I have my next checkup.


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I think for type A, pain is likely due to acidity.  Maybe not in an O but anything that is "itis"....sinus,
arthritis, is generally inflammation and I'm thinking you're onto something with acidity being at its
core.  Going to try chlorella again regularly, although I have little tablets which I will start a few at a time.  I think 15 little pills equal 1 tsp. I remember doing this years ago....am going to try again. Maybe we should begin a new thread on managing "acidity" and pain syndromes and discussing different options. I'm not sure hijacking this magnesium, thread with our personal conversation is going to be helpful for those seeking information on magnesium.  THoughts?  Not sure what to use for a thread title so it adequately covers what we're talking about.  Is the subject really ph?  Minerals?  Acidity?  Aches/pains? It's essentially all of this...but what's the exact subject title?


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I'm not sure hijacking this magnesium, thread with our personal conversation is going to be helpful for those seeking information on magnesium.  THoughts?  Not sure what to use for a thread title so it adequately covers what we're talking about.  Is the subject really ph?  Minerals?  Acidity?  Aches/pains? It's essentially all of this...but what's the exact subject title?

Well, "great minds" think alike, so they say, and I was thinking the same thing after this branched out in so many directions - even as I was writing the first post! Maybe someone would be kind enough to move these posts to another thread, but I don't know what under the sun to call it, either! No telling where this conversation will lead! Maybe we will have an inspiration by morning.


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I may not be able to chime in here being O but, I had leg cramps some years ago sending me to the emergency room three times, only to be told that it was from diabetic numbers += this pain is incredible and always happens in the evening.  

I don't say that is the case with either of you, but it might be worth testing for it...  

Then again, there is no doubt for me that all things I 'feel' come from 'food'.  I have less respect for any supplementations, (but I am not A) .. I would rather eat a food/fruit that will fix this or that.

I might eat a banana for potassium and other foods for different needs and watch what I ate the hours before...  or did not eat. I find that almost all issues come from food intake, and the cure is there also.. Like in banana there are other things besides potassium, which might be there for a reason...

For me Maganese and B12 might be a good thing for cramps, but I found that out by accident.. when I bought Ligaplex ll (standard process from chiro) and it helped better against tension pain in the body, neck or headache, replacing painkillers.  I use as much as I need to get rid of pain.    

You might look for a place where someone knows how to test you on a Zito Hand. It is interesting to see the effects of specific supplents.  You might call the comany to find out who has a Zito machine/computer program in your area.

Another place to look for practitioners that might be right for you to consider is at: ondamed.net which is especially helpful for osteo issues, and other mineral 'energy' adjustments.  It has kept my pain under control for years.      


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I don't think O-types have anything to worry about having too much acid. In fact, it seems to me that they thrive on it! The more the better! The pain I have been having isn't a cramp, it is downright pain, and raising my alkaline level helps it. I had been having trouble sleeping lately but when I got my alkaline levels into a decent range I have slept and rested wonderfully!

This is a very complicated subject, but one thing is certain, we must supply our individual bodies with what they need to get into the "comfort zone." If too much activity and stress deplete our stores, our acid level will go up because our blood is grabbing everything  it needs from bones or anything else it can to stay normal. We are going to suffer if we don't take measures to replenish our bodies with the right foods and supplements. In effect, the blood will be robbing Peter to pay Paul and we are the losers if we don't do something about it. I've seen too many A-Types looking old as the hills when they are decades younger than I am. Not only do they look old, they consider themselves old and some of them are in their fifties! Is it because they are losing ground because of too much acid because of stress upon stress upon stress of all kinds for years? I can't help but wonder about too much acid taking its toll. When you think of people smoking, drinking harmful beverages by the gallon, eating the common, mostly junk diet in this country, besides not eating according to their blood type, and all of this being conducive to an acidic condition, it horrifies me.


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I agree, Spring....this isn't really an O topic as much as it belongs to type As because we've got
low HCL naturally, shouldn't be eating foods that require a lot of HCL and yet, when switched from
a BTD for A to a diet for Teachers, my original diet had me eating foods I likely couldn't have digested.....if based on the theory that my HCL was going to be too low.  I am following a professional SWAMI which in all reality might have taken low HCL into consideration as animal proteins once listed as beneficial if I followed the GTD book, ie chicken livers, lots and lots of cheeses are now given super low priority...moved to neutral.  

And my pains aren't actually cramps either because magnesium which should uncramp a muscle spasm isn't doing it for me because often this isn't a spasm. It's tightness/stiffness either in soft tissue, joint, and taking calcium I know is all wrong and nothing about my issue is remotely due to diabetes. I don't have it.  My fasting blood sugar is always in the 80s on blood work....so this would be the wrong topic for me personally.

Back to the drawing board. What is the title of this topic?  Aches/pains/diet/type As?  Or is the
subject more general which applies to all of us?  I don't know.  I too see a lot of type A people
who look older than me...(same age)....and specifically it's a dehydrated look to their faces....
not dryness as much as a drawing of skin which looks like deep wrinkles/crevices in once
plumper skin.....as if there is no moisture under that layer of skin....Dehydration?  Many of my
friends drink wine.....I don't. I don't really drink coffee because I feel it's so dehydrating.

Are you drinking a membrane fluidizer in the morning?  I am with 2 - 300 mg of Uridine.......and on a bioimpedence test which will show aging....both cellular and otherwise, I've managed to get a better reading which tells me that fluid outside of my cells is finally getting past that cell membrane and getting into the cells.  Earlier testing showed it wasn't.

This to me is why many people are looking older than they should....that cell membrane as Dr. D
described to me is hard, stiff and not hospitable to allowing nutrients to enter inside.  WIth diligence to the diet, eventually you get better readings on the bioimpedence test.  I remember the first time my son took this test....He had the cellular aging of a man who was in his 90s....He is 48.  His SWAMI is hopefully helping him improve his health so he gets better results with this testing. BTW, he's blood type A too.

Any insight to an appropriate new thread title?  Would love input from other forum members who
understand the issues or have had issues they resolved....although nobody is going to find this
subject unless they're reading about magnesium.  And yet, my body seems to  require a lot more
magnesium than I believe it should. And it's alkalizing.  So perhaps this is a subject about the
benefits of being more alkalized....type As only?  Can't see to figure out what to call this huge
subject!


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I agree with everything you mentioned in your post, Chloe. Even to the appearance of so many A-Types. No diabetes here, either. Sugar is always great when tested. I stopped my Uridine until after this episode because I didn't know whether it would be acidic or not. Everything else is just fine - even lecithin is alkalizing! So I am continuing with all the rest - have even increased the "dosage." I'm feeling better every day, and I have lost some weight. Oh, and thanks for the explanation of the stiffened cell membrane and how it can block nutrients! Very interesting indeed!  I have never had the  bioimpedence test so I don't know how "old" I am. Now, that would be interesting. We know of one friend who has had it, and they had been doing very well, but they went on an extended trip, came back, had the test soon after, and their "age" had skyrocketed to 92! They are in their early sixties! They soon got "younger," though, with increased attention to their diet and supplements. They recently got SWAMI so they are all excited about that now as we all have been at one time or another.

For my part, it is a monumental success story that I have simply changed a few items in my diet, increased others and was able to work in my yard for hours in 93 degree weather (about 110 in the sun) yesterday with the humidity out of sight and had no worsening of symptoms whatsoever, especially when I think of the shape I was in Sunday! Ugh!

I still haven't come up with a good title for another thread. For all I know, You and I may be the only ones remotely interested in this subject!  


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Chloe and Spring,
Please do start a thread re: minerals/alka vs. acid/aches in blood type A!!!!!
I am definitely interested!
I would like to be as informed as you ladies are.  
I haven't a clue how to make sure my body is balanced with acidity/alkalinity.
Not sure if I need extra magnesium or even which method to use.
My only aches/pains are occasional stiffness if I sit too long or lift weights not often enough. Once in a while I may get a foot/toe or calf/thigh cramp at night.
I worry about staying hydrated in my dry, hot environment.I rarely feel thirst.   


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