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Chloe
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Chloe, one point of my post was that my parents never bothered about Vitamin D levels and all the other stuff we are discussing here, but they were healthy with no bone and joint issues that are gone over endlessly on the forum. I feel wonderful, and after considering everything, I think overdoing was the cause of my problem the other night with my heart. Sometimes things are just that simple!

I get diarrhea if I take more of any form of magnesium than I am taking now. With the diet I am eating I probably don't even need to be taking any at all! There is no telling how much I consumed in my breakfast this AM!


The rule of thumb (according to Çarolyn Dean) is that you take magnesium UP TO bowel
tolerance.  So by what you're saying, you've reached bowel tolerance at your present dose.
I'm constipated on less than what I'm taking....so I know I'm deficient.  My bowel tolerance
is higher than most.

My grandparents moved around a whole lot more than I think most of us are doing.  They didn't
have TV or computers and my grandmother stood on her feet all day long in the kitchen and
doing all her own housework, reaching, lifting....hanging clothes out outdoors to dry after wringing them out manually, lifting baskets of heavy wet laundry. Carrying that basket up
from a basement in an apartment building to the 3rd floor. No elevator in her pre war building. Never sitting down at all.  Standing is weight bearing....and many of us aren't standing on our feet these days and certainly not doing as much physical activity as generations before us did.

We are rather forced to exercise for a lack of activities that would have been natural exercise as our parents/grandparents did.  My grandparents
couldn't drive....walked in NYC everywhere, came home from shopping, carried heavy packages
up a few flights of stairs.....So much different that we don't think about unless we try to
compare lifestyles....... Today, so much office work, sitting down at computers.  I think we're all guilty of this behavior although very used to it and it's a way of life.....not a judgement about our
way of life, but it has consequences.  Kids today are even lazier....overweight, eating the wrong
diets....and diabetes is rampant in young children.  Sad

Dunno....no need for my parents or grandparents to have swallowed pills....I grew up taking a basic vitamin formula....doctors were pushing parents way back then to fortify diets with
vitamins. Who or what was behind those companies then.....do not know.

My kids got baby liquid vitamins from pediatrician.....I continued to give them a basic multi.
My kids are in worse shape at their age than the generations prior.....Both have back issues....gut problems...
I didn't grow up with back problems or gut problems.....neither did my husband.

My kids got lots of vaccines that I didn't ever have.  And I fed them as healthy as I knew how to
do....but fast food restaurants existed, kids had b'day parties at places like this....it wasn't
within my state of consciousness then to have put them on a whole foods diet, avoiding gluten grains, sugars and transfats.  I knew less then than I know now.  And now my kids who are
raising children of their own know more because healthy eating is on a lot of parents' radar
screens.  Sadly, many parents are still clueless....which is why mandates about what can be
put into our foods is sometimes controlled by politicians.  Other times, our very intention to
fight bad food practices are so heavily controlled by agri-business that junk food reigns when
it is doing so much harm.

It's just the way our culture has progressed.....more processed foods.....make up the difference
with pills  I never saw a fast food restaurant growing up.  Just different and probably so much
worse for everyone's health.






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Yes, Chloe and Spring - I think about the lives my grandparents lived.  Both my maternal and paternal grandparents lived rural lives, raising their own livestock, growing nearly all their own foods.  One set of grandparents homesteaded 200 acres at the turn of the century, having 10 kids, half of whom were raised in a log cabin; the other half in the 'nice' house that Grandpa built.  Never a phone, television or radio, or car. They had an outdoor toilet, and a pump with cold water from the well for the house. They worked from morning to night, ate lots of vegetables, fruit from their orchard, meat - either fresh, smoked, dried or canned.  Lots of flour also.  Grandpa lived to his upper 90's, Grandma died in her late 80's.
The other grandparents lived a similar life, but on a smaller scale and with electricity, radio, telephone later on.  I lived next door to them and we shared a big garden between three families.  Fresh jersey milk. This grandad built houses with no power tools and they were works of art.  He worked slowly, carefully and steadily.  Both of them lived into their mid-80's.

But my parents came of age along with junk food - convenience food, it was called. It became a mixed bag of fresh food from the garden (sprayed heavily with pesticides), lots of outdoor play for me, tree climbing, mountains to run in, lakes and swimming pools (along with the new thing - television - to sit and stare at), country food (along with packaged foods of every fake color and flavor with lots of sugar).  

And here we are today with the world as it is.  I do my best to stay in touch with the outdoor world and getting myself out into it as much as possible. I have practiced hatha yoga, tai chi and qigong most of my life.  I've switched to a standing computer station.  I split my own firewood and heat my house with the wood.  But a lifetime of fast food has weakened my body in a way that my grandparents didn't deal with. My health has been a struggle all my life and the supplements that I wish I didn't have to take, have made a lot of difference for the better. They sort of hold me together as eating right (finally) for the past 14 years is slowly, steadily healing me.  



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Do any of you get burnt feeling skin from transdermal magnesium?


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They sort of hold me together as eating right (finally) for the past 14 years is slowly, steadily healing me.  

And this is the consummate beauty of the D'Adamo diets!!


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Do any of you get burnt feeling skin from transdermal magnesium?


Sort of a prickly sensation....yes, it happens to some people with sensitive skin.  Suggest you dilute
it until your body gets used to it.

Here's some mag oil info from a supplier.  It mentions the prickly sensation people have.  I would
try it as a foot soak if the topical is really annoying.  But I did get used to it after a few weeks of use

http://www.naturalhealingtools.com/product_information/mag.clay/Magnesium-Oil-Guide.pdf

Got this from a different website talking about magnesium and detoxing.  When you think of the
capacity of the body to heal and the ability for cells to make good copies of themselves, this is very important information.

"Abundant magnesium allows for the creation of energy needed to pump excess calcium from cells and thereby to maintain proper calcium to magnesium ratio within cells. Excess calcium in cells reduces the amount of available magnesium and rigidifies cell membranes, thereby reducing cell function. In addition, the entry of calcium into cells can overwhelm the capacity of ATPase to remove it.

When too much calcium enters into a cell, entry of magnesium is blocked, and the cell loses its ability to pump out calcium.

When this occurs, the cell cannot transport nutrients, regulate its membrane, or preserve proper concentration gradients of minerals within itself or in the fluid outside its membrane (extracellular fluid). It is critical that proper concentration gradients of minerals be maintained in order that cells avoid being overwhelmed by toxic substances, including calcium and toxic metals".


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Thanks, Chloe. I hope my cells will still respond.

My homeopath told me today to take Magnesium Glycinate so I can get more magnesium with less bowel tolerance trouble.


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Thanks, Chloe. I hope my cells will still respond.

My homeopath told me today to take Magnesium Glycinate so I can get more magnesium with less bowel tolerance trouble.


I was also told to take mag glycinate by an ND (not Dr. D) and although I took it for quite awhile
I feel it's just not the right formula for me.

Although it didn't bother my gut and I could take a whole lot of pills, without coming close to
bowel tolerance, I felt it wasn't being absorbed at all.  Only thing I feel is absorbed is
Natural Calm which is mag citrate....but I don't take more than is recommended on the package.
And it's dissolved in a lot of water and sipped all day long.

For me, the best way to absorb magnesium is spreading out oral doses and using transdermal
mag.

Wishing you good luck in raising your mag level.



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I still haven't gotten any response back from any of the companies about their products being corn-free. I'm going to stick with the mag citrate (purchased as "bath salts") until I get confirmation that other forms are safe.  This is also far cheaper than any alternatives. I'm using the mag oil spray on my body about 5-6 times a week, plus putting some of the mag citrate in my drinking water, along with sea salt. I can always add more mag supplements later.

The only thing that's frustrating is that it's hard to know EXACTLY how much I'm getting this way. I might want to figure out a better system for calculating how much I'm using- perhaps mix up some mag oil with the sea salt already added into a different container (not a spray bottle) and measure how much goes into each cup, or maybe make up a big batch in some sort of pitcher to refill my cups from. Make a new batch each day with the day's supply of mag and sea salt.

I'll figure something out. I need to make more mag oil today anyway- I'm using it up much faster now than I used to.


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This is an intersting discussion & I hope it doesn't scare people into not getting enough mangnesium.  That happened to me with Vitamin A over 30 years ago. I really needed more than average, but was having way too little. I was a nursing mom & should have had lots more!
I still take more A than average & take magnesium.  

I would think that in doubt, take the average amount & see how it works.
I remember that I was eating lots of foods that were supposed to be high in 'maggie' but still wasn't getting enough, so my absorption was bad.

....just my 2 cents worth......


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Ruthie, I'm thinking rather than risking diarrhea with too much oral mag citrate, it would
be safer to use mag oil more than once a day if you feel you need it.  

Yesterday, I had two servings of Natural Calm which I believe brought me just under the threshold of
bowel tolerance. Without a decent amount of magnesium citrate, I'm always constipated, even if I use a lot of  mag oil...so I feel I can tolerate more oral magnesium than other people.  And the mag citrate seems to do more for relaxing my muscles than the topical magnesium....although I think this has more to do with an absorption issue.  What I don't absorb is going to loosen my stool, which for me, is a good thing.  But for you, Ruthie....not sure this is in your best interest.

Don't risk upsetting your gut with too much oral mag.  You might not need it.

Have you noticed anything positive from using mag oil regularly?


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I can definitely feel more muscle pain when I'm not consistent with the mag. In the past, when I was  taking mag pills, I'd found I could increase my dosage on "more sore" days and get relief.

I can't do more transdermal mag. It's hard enough to fit into my schedule already. Remember that I cannot stand the feeling of mag oil on my skin; using mag oil requires getting undressed, covering myself with mag oil, putting something back on, then showering and changing my clothes again 20+ minutes later. Or I can soak in a tub for 20 minutes. Neither is practical if somebody else needs the bathroom, or I have to be dressed so I can go pick a child up from somewhere, or chaperone a pile of middle-school boys in my living room or basement, or Hannah wants my company as she works in the yard... On the days I feel the worst, and am most likely to need extra mag, I'm even less likely to find the energy to use the transdermal mag.

I'm not sure if it's from the extra mag or my inconsistent use of egoscue exercises,  but my  back, neck, and shoulders DO hurt less than they used to.


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I'm finding the mag oil on my skin less irritating than when I started using it. For a second use, I often just wipe the tops of my feet or fronts of my legs with a folded damp paper towel saturated in mag oil (i just keep the used towel in a zip lock bag and saturate it over and over again)  Yesterday I had to wipe down my legs in the middle of the day because after rebounding they ached, but after 20 minutes just got another wet paper towel and wiped it all off.  I don't find the need to re-apply the mag oil everywhere...just arms or legs and then remove it without showering. When it's not covering your entire body, it might not feel quite so irritating.  If it's on my arms and I'm wearing short sleeves
I can just run my arm under the sink faucet and get it off easily.  Try a few "touch ups" of mag oil
on just one spot at a time and see if you find it more tolerable. If of course, you can tolerate a decent
amount of oral mag, then it's not a problem...Not everyone can.


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I don't seem to have a problem with the mag chloride orally. I can taste when the water seems "too strong" or "just right." Drink too much of the stuff that tastes too strong and I get loose bowels. Keep on drinking large quantities of the dilution that tastes good to me, and my bowels are fine. I'll use a second  cup to properly dilute it if necessary- but now I know about how much to use and I don't over-pour nearly as much as  did the first few days of this routine.

I just made more mag oil- I filled 2 spray bottles (for the bathroom and bedroom) and I also filled an empty molasses bottle to keep in the kitchen, rather than using one of the spray bottles in there. I also rinsed out the bottles so they spray more easily, and I had the idea to filter the mag oil this time- so I ran it through a tea strainer before putting into all 3 bottles.

I got the low vitamin D levels while I was using only the transdermal mag. I've stopped the supplemental vitamin D, and I don't feel comfortable doing that without significantly raising my mag intake.

I wonder if my body is using extra mag to detox the mercury from my mouth. If so, that would explain my extra-high need for mag right now.


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Have you noticed anything positive from using mag oil regularly?


Have you ever asked Dr. D what he thought about magnesium oil?
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I find this information very interesting....

This is from Dr. Michael Lam

About The Author

Michael Lam, M.D., M.P.H., A.B.A.A.M., is a western trained physician specializing in nutritional and anti-aging medicine. Dr. Lam received his Bachelor of Science degree from Oregon State University, and his Doctor of Medicine degree from the Loma Linda University School of Medicine in California. He also holds a Master’s degree in Public Health. He is board certified by the American Board of Anti-Aging Medicine where he has also served as a board examiner. Dr. Lam is a pioneer in using nontoxic, natural compounds to promote the healing of many age-related degenerative conditions. He utilizes optimum blends of nutritional supplementation that manipulate food, vitamins, natural hormones, herbs, enzymes, and minerals into specific protocols to rejuvenate cellular function.


"Most adults are walking around with estrogen dominance due to our diet and exposure to environmental estrogen.  Excessive estrogen reduces circulating Magnesium, leading to a relative excess of calcium. So any excessive calcium will only increase even more the already high ca/mg ratio in the presence of high estrogen. The lesions of arteries and heart caused by experimental Mg deficiency have been well documented and may contribute to human cardiovascular disease. Estrogen's enhancement of Mg utilization and uptake by soft tissues and bone may explain resistance of young women to heart disease and osteoporosis, as well as increased prevalence of these diseases when estrogen secretion ceases.

In summary:

a. Most of us are in an estrogen dominant environment, resulting in lowered Magnesium.

b. Most of us can easily get into a calcium dominant environment. Reason: Too little magnesium.

c. Most of us are in a magnesium deficient state.

As a result, we all end up with too much calcium.

What do you do? Simply reduce calcium intake and increase Magnesium. The ideal ratio is Ca/Mg ratio of 1 to 2 for adults. The same rule does not apply to growing children, and does not apply to those who are on whole food.

a. Obtain intracellular calcium and magnesium blood level if you want to be scientific about it.

b. Reduce calcium to 300-500 mg a day.

c. Increase magnesium to 500-1000 a day, or as tolerated (excessive amount can cause diarrhea).


This is interesting too
http://www.hormoneimbalanced.com/magnesiumdeficiency.html


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Have you ever asked Dr. D what he thought about magnesium oil?


You know, I haven't thought to ask, because last time I saw him, I wasn't so heavily focused on all this research I'm doing on magnesium and there wasn't this "aha" moment for me about all the
different issues magnesium deficiency is connected to......but I will ask....Next time DH and I go back is August....I do want to know what he thinks and do want to understand why there is a
Clear Cal formula and calcium in his mineral formulas that seems clearly out of balance to me
for a person who needs to raise their magnesium levels.  I'm confused by the focus on calcium
rather than magnesium in these NAP supplements....I feel calcium as a supplement is an issue
for me and my husband, although he doesn't really have much dairy on his diet and the foods
he could be eating high in calcium he doesn't like.  But can't say he eats enough high magnesium
foods to counteract any calcium he might take in...  One of DH's issues for seeing Dr. D was elevated blood pressure....and despite all the supplements he was given with his SWAMI,
it was never mentioned for him to take magnesium nor did magnesium come up with the shift
as a solution or adjunct solution for high blood pressure.  I give him magnesium as a precaution
and so did Dina Khader who he saw prior to seeing Dr. D.

If I didn't use myself as a lab rat, experimenting with high doses of magnesium, I wouldn't be
focusing in this direction.  But I know what I know and sometimes when you're the lab rat, what
you know about your body trumps what people are telling you about yourself...

I'm glad you asked this question....I'm going to make it a point to find out what Dr. D thinks
about magnesium.  WIth all he researches and focuses on, I'm quite sure he knows more than
we do about this subject....but sometimes a lab rat just needs to question things.





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I'm glad you asked this question....I'm going to make it a point to find out what Dr. D thinks
about magnesium.  WIth all he researches and focuses on, I'm quite sure he knows more than
we do about this subject....but sometimes a lab rat just needs to question things.


Great. thanks. I never remmebered to ask him either.  I'd like to know why I had a bad reaction to it for myself.  Have you tried lecithin granules for your husband's high blood pressure?  It really lowers it.. so much I have to really cut back on it. Recommended amount is a tablespoon a day and I take about a tsp or 2 in my smoothie.  Dr. McDougall would say that the whole mineral problem is from dairy. If people stop dairy, their bodies are able to absorb calcium, and magnesium and the other minerals again. There is a person one of his star dougallers that had osetoporosis and reversed it going off dairy.
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It's a good thing I COMPLETELY understand, or I'd have to laugh about this bunch of women whose lives consist of getting enough magnesium.

But yes, I was panicking about it in the shower, and then I drove to the grocery store to search out the mag oil or gel (never found any) where I began to get a cramp, popped magnesium and then realized the cramp was from other imbalances and quickly threw together a salad, paid for it and ate it- and was fine.




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where I began to get a cramp, popped magnesium and then realized the cramp was from other imbalances and quickly threw together a salad, paid for it and ate it- and was fine.


Your cramp likely was from not drinking enough water daily.  Muscle cramping is a symptom of dehydration.   64 oz a day.  I also suspect if one is not hydrated enough, one's body cannot absorb and use minerals and vitamins either.
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It's a good thing I COMPLETELY understand, or I'd have to laugh about this bunch of women whose lives consist of getting enough magnesium.

But yes, I was panicking about it in the shower, and then I drove to the grocery store to search out the mag oil or gel (never found any) where I began to get a cramp, popped magnesium and then realized the cramp was from other imbalances and quickly threw together a salad, paid for it and ate it- and was fine.

Good for you, Kescah!!


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Great. thanks. I never remmebered to ask him either.  I'd like to know why I had a bad reaction to it for myself.  Have you tried lecithin granules for your husband's high blood pressure?  It really lowers it.. so much I have to really cut back on it. Recommended amount is a tablespoon a day and I take about a tsp or 2 in my smoothie.  Dr. McDougall would say that the whole mineral problem is from dairy. If people stop dairy, their bodies are able to absorb calcium, and magnesium and the other minerals again. There is a person one of his star dougallers that had osetoporosis and reversed it going off dairy.


We are both taking lecithin....1 T every AM in a membrane fluidizer drink mixed with flax oil and juice.  DH
eats practically no dairy anymore and I eat it sometimes but only my diamond cheeses/some yogurt.



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Interesting topic!  What I recommend for my client's is the same mineral form Dr D'Adamo uses in his Phytocal products for each blood type eg. the magnesium used in the Phytocal A is Magnesium Citrate, Phytocal B is Magnesium Oxide, Phytocal O is Magnesium Citrate and Phytocal AB is Magnesium Oxide.  
In most cases I have found that just taking the Phytocal products without additional magnesium works wonders.  Good, natural products which are easily assimilated can make a huge difference.

Yes, I also love the Thorne brand.  My second best product range


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What I recommend for my client's is the same mineral form Dr D'Adamo uses in his Phytocal products for each blood type eg. the magnesium used in the Phytocal A is Magnesium Citrate, Phytocal B is Magnesium Oxide, Phytocal O is Magnesium Citrate and Phytocal AB is Magnesium Oxide.  


Good reasoning, Kiwi.  



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I had my magnesium experience today when I ran out of regular store bought magnesium a few days ago. I did not notice the new bottle that my father had bought to replace the empty one. Well, lo and behold - asthma attack and inflamed lungs! Argh. I took the pills from the new bottle and found relief within 20-30 minutes. I found that magnesium has similar effects to my steroid inhalers. So glad Dr. D. found the magnesium and B connection. I was able to cut out all my asthma medications after starting the GTD. I only need to take magnesium on a daily basis.


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Quoted from Chloe

We are both taking lecithin....1 T every AM in a membrane fluidizer drink mixed with flax oil and juice.  DHeats practically no dairy anymore and I eat it sometimes but only my diamond cheeses/some yogurt.


And his BP is still high? He's internalizing his stress. He needs yoga, or chi gong and meditation..he can mentally learn to lower his BP with his mind  alone.  The mind controls the body.  Most of the time it's our subconscious mind controlling it.  He's got some kind of belief that he can't let his stress show and he interlizes it causing high BP. He's got to change his belief.  
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