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Hi, long time no see.   It really has been a while. I guess with everything I have to do, I stay away if I am halfway well. But now I need you.

I currently have severe psoriasis which is improving by diet (found out I am allergic to all grains, including my diamond grains). I am just mentioning the psoriasis in case something clicks.

The reason for my visit, however, is that I get food and leg cramps and besides supplementation questions, I wonder if they relate to the fact that my urine pH is running very acidic. It is 5.5 in the mornings and has been for a long time.

I've been on a good bone supplement, and for a long time it seemed to help my cramps (which are more of a sustained drawing, tightening, pulling pain- nearly unbearable). Now it seems to bring on the pains! I get them after taking my supplements.

Does anyone know of any connection to acidity? I know calcium and other minerals help to balance acidity, so I would think taking them would help, but I now get the cramps after taking the minerals. I thought maybe there were some not included in the formula so I bought an additional formula with some different minerals and take a little of each, but that brings on the cramps, too.

I'd love any advice.


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Hi AK,

Thanks for the link, but the thing is, I am taking minerals - a good balance, and right now it seems that they are causing the cramps. Why? What relation to acidity?  

Years ago I got cramps if I took a supplement with potassium. Calcium seemed to stop the cramps. So I made sure my supplements had no potassium. Then I started to get the cramps again recently only after taking my supplements. I thought that perhaps all the years of taking the potassium-free supplements had tipped the balance in the other direction and that now I needed some. So I added a little potassium to the mix, but still the cramps continued. I have had to quit the supplements altogether.   It's not like I'm overdoing it, I don't think.


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How is your diet?  Maybe listing a sample day would allow us to see where suggestions for improvement would be...

How is you digestive / elimination working?

It seems that if you are eating enough vegetables and not too much acid producing foods AND if the digestion is working to absorb the nutrients from the foods, that you should be fine without a mineral supplement...

If you are having psoriasis, however, something is definitely not well.  Are you in a stressful environment?  Do you exercise?


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Potassium and calcium both require magnesium to work properly. Magnesium is also alkalyzing. Magnesium will be pulled from tissue and bone when needed and there is a deficiency. There is a whole lot to it, which is why I put the book reference. Here are a few more links as a starting point.

http://www.naturalnews.com/038286_magnesium_deficiency_heart_disease.html

http://gotmag.org/magnesium-deficiency-101/

http://www.naturaleater.com/sc.....esium-deficiency.pdf


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And psoriasis... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8807676

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I am just mentioning the psoriasis in case something clicks.


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Thanks AB and AK,

My diet: I eat the fish and turkey that are on my Swami. I eat lots of vegies and salads. I eat minimal amounts of carbs, just enough to shoot a little insulin to help keep my hormones balanced (Schwartzbein), in the form of beans, squash, berries or 1/2 green apple. And um, oh yes, Lindt's 70% chocolate or a tad of Hagen Das. Possibly not compliant. Well, not. I am allergic to all grains except quinoa, and they hugely complicate my psoriasis with hives, so I am very good about avoiding them.

So yes, since I started eating so many more veggies, I may not need the supplements. That is a great thought. Thanks. I had just decided to try giving them up until it seems that I need them again (cramps), so now it makes sense to me as to why I seem to not need them. Since magnesium is deficient in our soil and foods, I think I should continue to take that- thanks AK for keeping that on my mind.

I know my intestines are a mess with diverticulosis and leaky gut, but other than that, I don't know how well I digest things. I suspect I do because, for example, if I don't eat enough protein, my vision gets bad. Then I eat some and it improves. Thanks again, Schwartzbein. Elimination is ok if I get enough Vitamin C.

Yes on high stress and no on enough exercise. I am working on upping the exercise, but not much I can do about the stress. It definitely makes my psoriasis flare up.

I will follow up the links, so again, thanks.







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Quoted from kescah
I know my intestines are a mess with diverticulosis and leaky gut, but other than that, I don't know how well I digest things. I suspect I do because, for example, if I don't eat enough protein, my vision gets bad. Then I eat some and it improves. Thanks again, Schwartzbein. Elimination is ok if I get enough Vitamin C.

Yes on high stress and no on enough exercise. I am working on upping the exercise, but not much I can do about the stress. It definitely makes my psoriasis flare up.

Healing the gut will make everything better...  It will also reduce the stress...
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/18.html

Some breathing techniques and learning to relax more can really help reduce the stress levels, as well as getting a bit more exercise to burn the Cortisol...


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Thank you AB, and I enjoyed the psoriasis/magnesium link, AK. Will read all links.


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Magnesium is the go-to mineral for muscle cramps.  



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Thanks, Victoria.

Loved all the magnesium links- wow! I hope everyone reads them.


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Quoted from kescah
Thanks AB and AK,

My diet: I eat the fish and turkey that are on my Swami. I eat lots of vegies and salads. I eat minimal amounts of carbs, just enough to shoot a little insulin to help keep my hormones balanced (Schwartzbein), in the form of beans, squash, berries or 1/2 green apple. And um, oh yes, Lindt's 70% chocolate or a tad of Hagen Das. Possibly not compliant. Well, not. I am allergic to all grains except quinoa, and they hugely complicate my psoriasis with hives, so I am very good about avoiding them.

So yes, since I started eating so many more veggies, I may not need the supplements. That is a great thought. Thanks. I had just decided to try giving them up until it seems that I need them again (cramps), so now it makes sense to me as to why I seem to not need them. Since magnesium is deficient in our soil and foods, I think I should continue to take that- thanks AK for keeping that on my mind.

I know my intestines are a mess with diverticulosis and leaky gut, but other than that, I don't know how well I digest things. I suspect I do because, for example, if I don't eat enough protein, my vision gets bad. Then I eat some and it improves. Thanks again, Schwartzbein. Elimination is ok if I get enough Vitamin C.

Yes on high stress and no on enough exercise. I am working on upping the exercise, but not much I can do about the stress. It definitely makes my psoriasis flare up.

I will follow up the links, so again, thanks.







All of those are pointed out one place or another in Dr. Dean's and other magnesium folks work. Deficiency can be both acute and cumulative. What you ate as a kid even matters. What your mom ate when she was pregnant matters.

And it affects telomere length... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=correcting+magnesium+deficiencies+may+prolong+life


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Hi Kescah, I'll throw in a totally different idea for you to think about.  Psoriasis and the Liver.  " there is a strong connection between the functioning of the liver & the development of psoriasis.  Impaired liver function can be caused by or aggravated by psoriasis".
  When my 3 yr. old grandson had horrible psoriasis in his legs a naturalpath put him on the BTD,  but also had my daughter make up dandelion tea to clear up his liver.  Being only 3, he cleared up quite quickly.
  I know from personal experience that stress is very bad for the liver, as is lack of exercise.  I was told that I should exercise first thing in the morning.  He said " get up, put on your hat and go for a walk".  Exercising early helps clear the congestion from the liver that can occur during it's processing work around 2-3 am.
  I agree with taking magnesium.  I take 3 capsules at bedtime.  I've also noticed that I sometimes have leg/foot cramping after eating 85 percent chocolate.
  I've rambled on, but it gives you another direction to consider too.



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Hi Kescah, I'll throw in a totally different idea for you to think about.  Psoriasis and the Liver.  " there is a strong connection between the functioning of the liver & the development of psoriasis.  Impaired liver function can be caused by or aggravated by psoriasis".
  When my 3 yr. old grandson had horrible psoriasis in his legs a naturalpath put him on the BTD,  but also had my daughter make up dandelion tea to clear up his liver.  Being only 3, he cleared up quite quickly.
  I know from personal experience that stress is very bad for the liver, as is lack of exercise.  I was told that I should exercise first thing in the morning.  He said " get up, put on your hat and go for a walk".  Exercising early helps clear the congestion from the liver that can occur during it's processing work around 2-3 am.
  I agree with taking magnesium.  I take 3 capsules at bedtime.  I've also noticed that I sometimes have leg/foot cramping after eating 85 percent chocolate.

Very good ideas.    Thank you.




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Many of us think the FDA has the wrong recommendations for magnesium.  They say a 2 to 1 ratio cal. to mag., but some folks need more magnesium than calcium & some about the same.
Try different combinations & see what happens.


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Hi, and thanks to all of you for your replies.

I quit my multimineral supplement and started taking just magnesium for now. It has helped a great deal with my cramps. Obviously, things had gotten out of balance. I'm sure I'll need to take the other minerals again, but I'll be sure to take extra magnesium when I do.

I've followed all the links- great information. Thanks.

I've always had troubles with my liver, so I appreciate the connection being brought out. I had thought they must be related. Thanks, BC.

I am going to talk about what I've learned about the connection between psoriasis and food allergies on another subforum. See you there!


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Just an update....

I have learned to balance my minerals. My system is delicate in that way- I get a cramp and I really have to think about what I took and what I have eaten. I need ore of my bone supplement one day than another, and I take extra magnesium with it when I do take it.

But I also learned that sometimes my cramps are more of a drawing pain- which wants to draw my foot out of shape, or my lower limbs. If I have taken my minerals properly and this is happening, I need a homeopathic remedy to correct it.

So, just in case anyone else is dealing with this kind of thing, the above is what I have learned.


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Just an update....

I have learned to balance my minerals. My system is delicate in that way- I get a cramp and I really have to think about what I took and what I have eaten. I need ore of my bone supplement one day than another, and I take extra magnesium with it when I do take it.

But I also learned that sometimes my cramps are more of a drawing pain- which wants to draw my foot out of shape, or my lower limbs. If I have taken my minerals properly and this is happening, I need a homeopathic remedy to correct it.

So, just in case anyone else is dealing with this kind of thing, the above is what I have learned.


Your description of muscle spasms that wants to draw your foot out of shape or your lower
limbs happens to me and I can't figure out how to balance my minerals.  I don't know if it's
sodium/potassium that is off or calcium/magnesium.  I don't take calcium.....just magnesium....
but tonight had parmesan cheese on top of a salad, took oral magnesium and that spasm
pain began after dinner.  What homeopathic remedy do you find balances this issue?  This
is an issue that comes and goes and I seem to do really poorly on calcium or any mineral
supplement that contains calcium.....including all of the NAP products.  Any suggestions?



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Your description of muscle spasms that wants to draw your foot out of shape or your lower
limbs happens to me and I can't figure out how to balance my minerals.  I don't know if it's
sodium/potassium that is off or calcium/magnesium.  I don't take calcium.....just magnesium....
but tonight had parmesan cheese on top of a salad, took oral magnesium and that spasm
pain began after dinner.  What homeopathic remedy do you find balances this issue?  This
is an issue that comes and goes and I seem to do really poorly on calcium or any mineral
supplement that contains calcium.....including all of the NAP products.  Any suggestions?



Hi Chloe,

I'm sorry that happens to you, too. It is hugely painful. I scream! I hope you have someone around to help when it happens.

I just learned that a good treatment for that is quinine sulfate. Though it is banned by the FDA, it is available in Hyland's Leg Cramps tablets. My hubby is off to buy some at this moment.

But yes, balancing the minerals is a real headache since it is hard to tell which ones are off. Too much calcium can do me in, too.

Homeopathic remedies have to be chosen for each individual, usually by a homeopath. What works for me might not work for you. And mine can change when symptoms change.

I hope you can get the Hyland's, and keep up with your mineral supplements. Get some weight bearing exercise daily, as we are prone to osteoporosis with this disease. And I always recommend getting onto your homeopathic constitutional remedy- hugely helpful.


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Hi Chloe,

I'm sorry that happens to you, too. It is hugely painful. I scream! I hope you have someone around to help when it happens.

I just learned that a good treatment for that is quinine sulfate. Though it is banned by the FDA, it is available in Hyland's Leg Cramps tablets. My hubby is off to buy some at this moment.

But yes, balancing the minerals is a real headache since it is hard to tell which ones are off. Too much calcium can do me in, too.

Homeopathic remedies have to be chosen for each individual, usually by a homeopath. What works for me might not work for you. And mine can change when symptoms change.

I hope you can get the Hyland's, and keep up with your mineral supplements. Get some weight bearing exercise daily, as we are prone to osteoporosis with this disease. And I always recommend getting onto your homeopathic constitutional remedy- hugely helpful.


Thanks, I have that formula so I'll give it a try next time I need it.  I'm finding lots of magnesium
seems to be the solution most of the time.  Sometimes it's really a lot of magnesium and so
the transdermal form which is sprayed on (or soaked in, as in foot soak or bath) is what helps
most.  And stretching.  Being dehydrated can trigger muscle issues for me....although I never
really think I'm short on fluids, I usually am.  A pinch of salt with some lemon juice balances
sodium/potassium.....but often the smallest amount of calcium throws me totally off balance.
I seem to need magnesium, a little sodium and some potassium but not calcium.  In foods, yes,
but not in supplemental form.

This week I've been doubling up on my topical magnesium....and I seemed to have had far less
muscle issues.  Just a lot of work to get my mag levels up to a good level.  I would like to know
why some people are so short on magnesium.  Going on for years and years with me!



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Chloe,

I just got my Hyland's, and just so you know, it might not say Quinine on the ingredients list. It might say Chinchona instead, which is quinine.


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Thanks, I have that formula so I'll give it a try next time I need it.  I'm finding lots of magnesium
seems to be the solution most of the time.  Sometimes it's really a lot of magnesium and so
the transdermal form which is sprayed on (or soaked in, as in foot soak or bath) is what helps
most.  And stretching.  Being dehydrated can trigger muscle issues for me....although I never
really think I'm short on fluids, I usually am.  A pinch of salt with some lemon juice balances
sodium/potassium.....but often the smallest amount of calcium throws me totally off balance.
I seem to need magnesium, a little sodium and some potassium but not calcium.  In foods, yes,
but not in supplemental form.

This week I've been doubling up on my topical magnesium....and I seemed to have had far less
muscle issues.  Just a lot of work to get my mag levels up to a good level.  I would like to know
why some people are so short on magnesium.  Going on for years and years with me!



Yes! I wonder the same thing all the time. Why I am so dependent on my super healthy food and supplements or I'm in big trouble, while everyone around me eats junk food, takes no minerals and feels fine? Even older folks, though many of them have to take good care.

What you are saying about hydration is the same thing I was reading on the web about other people with PsA. They need a lot of water. I do a little lemon juice in water daily, but I can't handle a lot of potassium, either. Either besides calcium, like you.



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Here is a page on causes of tetany (the severe cramps):

http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/sym/tetany.htm (too many choices!)

And here is one on acidity:

http://www.relfe.com/health_natural/pH_human_body_balance_health_level_1.html

I did well on magnesium for a while; then it caused problems. The bone supp caused problems. Now I don't know what to do, but will keep trying to figure it out. I'm scared to try things. Ack!


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I have to wonder how healthy "everybody around you who feels fine" really is. It could be that they've gotten used to the aches and pains of subtle ill health, and think it's normal.

Many of us are suffering from years of eating too much calcium and too little magnesium. I know I took calcium supplements in the past, thinking I was doing my  body good, along with all the "healthy whole wheat, soy, and milk" I used to ingest. Chloe- you healed from Lyme's right? That may have depleted your magnesium stores.


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