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Spring
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This is a review written by someone taking Vitamin K2:
"I had been taking this supplement for a couple of months, daily, and my only discernible improvement so far was the two sebaceous cysts in both my forearms, which was slowly shrinking in size. I had a cyst a few years back, which slowly grew to about the size of a soaked chickpea. This was excised because it interfered with my writing, and it cost me $400 in medical fee. Now, I have two cysts slowly developing in both forearms, and needless to say, I was thinking of the medical fee that I would need to pay again, since the cysts are again growing around the same area of the previous one!! The right cyst had now decreased in size to almost negligible (it was small to start with), but the one on the left, which was again the size of a chickpea, had now shrunk to about half its size. I don't know if it is the vitamin K2's efficacy, but I was not doing anything different lately. My friend, who started roughly a bit later than me, has a heart murmur, and next year, she will be tested again, and will let me know if there is a definitive improvement in her heart condition. Then, only then, can I give Vitamin K2 a five star rating."


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I finally ran down a recommendation for the amount we need to be taking with our Vitamin D3 -- 100 IU's K2 for every 1,000 IU's of V. D3. The Jarrow brand is highly recommended and a lot of doctors and other health field personnel are recommending this one to people according to their reviews. I do wish NAP had it.   I think I am going to order the 100 IU size and hope for the best, unless they tell me something differently at NAP/DPN.

We need a good cow on this forum. We could feed it nice, young grass, churn the milk, make butter, make ghee and have a wonderful source of K2! Yummmm! A really wonderful, virtual cow!!


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Great info Spring. I like Jarrow products. I will order some next week. A medical doctor that I see on occasion was happy to note that I take 7,000 i. units of vit D daily. He said that was a good amount and that people were not taking enough of it. Next time I see him, I'll mention about the Vit K2. He is always open to learning, even from his clients.  
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This is a review written by someone taking Vitamin K2, ."

That person probably only needed to stop eating oranges, bananas and coconuts to get rid of the cysts instead of taking K.  Those fruits cause abnormal growths according to Dr. D.
I think the right amount of K to D is in the Phyto D formula. I'd go with that. It even has strontium in it!
Jarrow is a good brand but the dosage might be too high.
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That person probably only needed to stop eating oranges, bananas and coconuts to get rid of the cysts instead of taking K.  Those fruits cause abnormal growths according to Dr. D.
I think the right amount of K to D is in the Phyto D formula. I'd go with that. It even has strontium in it!
Jarrow is a good brand but the dosage might be too high.


Mayflowers - Is this information about the above fruit applicable to Type O's? I get banana as a diamond but rarely eat it, as according to TCM I have a damp constitution and it aggravates it. I've noticed that in the summer when it is hot, then I can tolerate a few bananas a week. And I do have a cyst on my back that hasn't acted up for a few years and this week it is aggravated and the only thing that I did was quit drinking Kombucha for 4 days!?! Thanks.  
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Mayflowers - Is this information about the above fruit applicable to Type O's? I get banana as a diamond but rarely eat it, as according to TCM I have a damp constitution and it aggravates it. I've noticed that in the summer when it is hot, then I can tolerate a few bananas a week. And I do have a cyst on my back that hasn't acted up for a few years and this week it is aggravated and the only thing that I did was quit drinking Kombucha for 4 days!?! Thanks.  


Hi Dianne..My name is Dian too   Well it's Diana but everyone calls me Dian. I was at one of Dr. D's lectures in CT when he said that. He did not specify any blood type. I myself have lemons as a diamond but I can't drink lemon water in the morning because I have a ctirus allergy. I get pain in my stomach.. I think it's individual.  I don't know how rarely is rarely? If once a year is rarely then it may not be bothering you. What about oranges?  I grew up on orange juice and I ate oranges and I didn't know I had a citrus allergy and I had constant migraines and skin eruptions..until I stopped oranges which I did before I found the BTD and saw that they were an avoid for A's.  This AB that I knew had fibroids growing and pressing on her bladder causing UTI like pain. I told her to stop eating bananas and she thought I was nuts. She finally stopped eating bananas for a few weeks and her pain stopped.
Amazing that food can cause these things huh? Mainstream Allopaths would have you believe that food has nothing to do with it..so you'll pay them money for drugs that cover up the symptoms.    
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Thank  Dian - - I've never been too partial to oranges or orange juice and surprisingly when I re-ran my SWAMI with the change in one of my fingerprints becoming more legible, it gave me oranges and orange juice and a whole bunch of other things shifted. But...I may on a very rare occasion have an orange and see what gives. A few time in the past, I have strangely craved oranges, had 4-5 in the course of a few days and then it passes. I enjoy them thoroughly, they sit well but who knows now that I've been following SWAMI for 18 months what my reaction will be.

And...being so reactive, I have to plan my 'bodily experiments' well to ensure there is nothing on the social calendar in case of a bad reaction! Thanks for such a speedy reply!  
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Dr. Cannell from the vitamin D council created his own D supplement sold by Purity Products

Here's the breakdown of the formula

2 capsules equal

D 5,000 iu
K 80 mcg
Magnesium 125 mg
zinc 10 mg

Then it says D co-factor proprietary blend 132 mg
l taurine
quercetin
boron

So, I'm thinking the ratio of 1,000 iu of D to 100 mcg of K might be a bit off..

Phyto D only has 25 mcg to 2,000 iu of D but the K is called phytonadione

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/phytonadione

And this type of K might be totally unlike what's being put into other formulas.  This appears to be K1

K1 and K2 have different purposes in the body
http://blogs.webmd.com/integra.....or-bone-density.html

Different types of K and their purpose (came from Mercola's site but of course, Mercola gets his info from
many sources on the internet, so although how each functions in the body would likely be factual, his personal opinion is to take K2)

Vitamin K1, or phylloquinone, is found naturally in plants, especially green vegetables; K1 goes directly to your liver and helps you maintain healthy blood clotting

Vitamin K2, also called menaquinone, is made by the bacteria that line yourgastrointestinal tract; K2 goes straight to your blood vessel walls, bones, and tissues other than your liver

Vitamin K3, or menadione, is a synthetic form I do not recommend; it’s important to note that toxicity has occurred in infants injected withthis syntheticvitamin K3
The vitamin K I recommend for supplementation is vitamin K2, which is natural and not toxic, at even 500 times the RDA. Vitamin K2, which is made in your body and also produced by fermented foods, is a superior form of vitamin K.Increasing your K2 by consuming more fermented foods is the most desirable way to increase your levels. The food highest in natural K2 is natto, which is a form of fermented soybeans consumed in Asia.

Good K info from Linus Pauling Institute
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminK/


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Thank  Dian - - I've never been too partial to oranges or orange juice and surprisingly when I re-ran my SWAMI with the change in one of my fingerprints becoming more legible, it gave me oranges and orange juice and a whole bunch of other things shifted


Well, if you have a lot of growths going on, tags, fibroid tumors or cysts, it's worth a try to avoid those three things and see if your growths stop or go away.

My mother ate bananas and oranges almost daily.. she had growths all over her..fibroid tumors, fatty tumor on her arm, cystic breast disease and finally she developed a brain tumor. I tried to tell her about the BTD but she was too old and set in her ways..She didn't believe me  
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I'm going to try 100 IU's per 1,000 D3 and go from there. Many, many people are taking far more than that. The research I would like to see is why K1 is not converting better in our bodies to K2. Obviously, it IS converting much better in a lot of people out there.


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That person probably only needed to stop eating oranges, bananas and coconuts to get rid of the cysts instead of taking K.  Those fruits cause abnormal growths according to Dr. D. I think the right amount of K to D is in the Phyto D formula. I'd go with that. It even has strontium in it!
Jarrow is a good brand but the dosage might be too high.

You must be a lot like your mother, MF!! I haven't eaten oranges or coconuts in years and the fatty tumors I have formed when I was not eating bananas. And as we've already pointed out the K2 is the ONLY one that does what we are discussing here. But I'm going to get out of this discussion. If people want calcification in their hearts, etc., weak bones, brain tumors, bad teeth, bad skin, etc., etc., they are welcome to it...


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You must be a lot like your mother, MF!! I haven't eaten oranges or coconuts in years and the fatty tumors I have formed when I was not eating bananas. And as we've already pointed out the K2 is the ONLY one that does what we are discussing here. But I'm going to get out of this discussion. If people want calcification in their hearts, etc., weak bones, brain tumors, bad teeth, bad skin, etc., etc., they are welcome to it...


Before you take off, Spring, what's your opinion of the type of K in Phyto D?  From my research
above, I googled the type of K in Phyto D and it appears it's K1, not unless I'm not understanding this correctly.



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Chloe, after learning more about the particular Vitamin K2 that we need so badly, sadly, I'm afraid the K in our Phyto 2000 is not going to address the issue. We desperately need help with this, but it is going to have to come from other sources I'm afraid. (And very likely from being our own guinea pigs!) Dr. Weston Price apparently was the person who discovered this "factor" in 1945. It is too bad that he died before he was able to complete his wonderful research and bring it to market at a price people could afford. If we had the key to converting K1 better in our bodies, it would be a wonderful discovery! This is part of an article about supporting good teeth:

"Vitamin K2 is a more recently discovered nutrient essential for building strong bones (and hence teeth) by its role in activating proteins responsible for utilizing and storing calcium. It appears that most "modern" people are somewhat deficient in vitamin K2 (also "helped" by the use of medications such as antibiotics or a damaged colon). Unless you want to gorge yourself on animal fats, Japanese natto (a fermented soybean dish popular in Japan but not elsewhere) and/or other fermented foods (the richest natural sources), it may be wise to supplement with Vitamin K2 supplements (particularly those extracted from natto)."

A 100 gram serving of Natto contains in excess of 1100 mcg.s' of the K2 we need. The thought about a damaged colon and antibiotics is something that I have seriously considered as a reason for the problem of being deficient. Another good reason to adhere to the practices that we already know!


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Chloe, after learning more about the particular Vitamin K2 that we need so badly, sadly, I'm afraid the K in our Phyto 2000 is not going to address the issue. We desperately need help with this, but it is going to have to come from other sources I'm afraid. (And very likely from being our own guinea pigs!) Dr. Weston Price apparently was the person who discovered this "factor" in 1945. It is too bad that he died before he was able to complete his wonderful research and bring it to market at a price people could afford. If we had the key to converting K1 better in our bodies, it would be a wonderful discovery! This is part of an article about supporting good teeth:

"Vitamin K2 is a more recently discovered nutrient essential for building strong bones (and hence teeth) by its role in activating proteins responsible for utilizing and storing calcium. It appears that most "modern" people are somewhat deficient in vitamin K2 (also "helped" by the use of medications such as antibiotics or a damaged colon). Unless you want to gorge yourself on animal fats, Japanese natto (a fermented soybean dish popular in Japan but not elsewhere) and/or other fermented foods (the richest natural sources), it may be wise to supplement with Vitamin K2 supplements (particularly those extracted from natto)."

A 100 gram serving of Natto contains in excess of 1100 mcg.s' of the K2 we need. The thought about a damaged colon and antibiotics is something that I have seriously considered as a reason for the problem of being deficient. Another good reason to adhere to the practices that we already know!


Thanks for your insight....  I honestly don't know why K1 and not K2 is in Phyto D although
that formula contains two Chinese herbs that would help with bone issues.

Are you talking about eating natto?  Or taking a pill?  I honestly never tasted natto nor would I
know where to buy it.  I've read that it's stinky and slimy and not something the average non
Asian would find appealing.  I've watched youtube videos of Japanese babies eating a plate of
natto and enjoying it.

I've been trying to figure out why I'm suddenly craving egg yolks....well, it's higher in K2 than
many other foods...so that's very telling.  And manchego is my only hard beneficial cheese...
I now am understanding the Teacher's diet a bit more.....why it's so liberally giving
us hard cheese.  And chicken liver which I adore became a toxin on my professional SWAMI...or maybe a black dot...but I honestly crave chicken liver so I'm also seeing why.  Not for the fat or the protein, but for the K2. Notice how egg yolks in  the Netherlands have twice as much K2 than ours...And there is a whole industry of supplement companies pushing D3....And this is the way it used to be years ago with calcium being added to everything....And suddenly magnesium deficiencies became prevalent...

It would be truly sad if misinformed people who keep self diagnosing and gulping supplements are inadvertantly causing their own medical issues.

I'm so glad you shared K information on this D thread, Spring...It totally belongs here as part of the overall discussion.  Please don't take off again.  I appreciate your research and you certainly enlightened me. Thanks

Foods high in K2  

FOOD VITAMIN K2 (MCG/100G)
Source of the following details: Weston Price Foundation
Natto 1103.4
Goose Liver Paste 369.0
Hard Cheeses 76.3
Soft Cheeses 56.5
Egg Yolk (Netherlands) 32.1
Goose Leg 31.0
Curd Cheeses 24.8
Egg Yolk (United States) 15.5
Butter 15.0
Chicken Liver 14.1
Salami 9.0
Chicken Breast 8.9
Chicken Leg 8.5
Ground Beef (Medium Fat) 8.1
Bacon 5.6
Calf Liver 5.0
Sauerkraut 4.8
Whole Milk 1.0
2% Milk 0.5
Salmon 0.5
Mackerel 0.4
Egg White 0.4
Skim Milk 0.0
Fat-Free Meats 0.0







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You must be a lot like your mother, MF!! I haven't eaten oranges or coconuts in years and the fatty tumors I have formed when I was not eating bananas. And as we've already pointed out the K2 is the ONLY one that does what we are discussing here. But I'm going to get out of this discussion. If people want calcification in their hearts, etc., weak bones, brain tumors, bad teeth, bad skin, etc., etc., they are welcome to it...

No Edwina, actually I'm like my father. I'm a Warrior. I believe my mother was an Explorer. I was trying to explain in another thread that the famous geneticist James Watson discovered that all these megadoses of vitamins and antioxidants "seems to slightly shorten the lives of those who use them". Dr. D was actually first with that because the last time I saw him, he scolded me about taking too much A that it could cause problems.  My point is that I think his vitamin K  amounts are correct with his vitamin D.  Just because some of something is good doesn't mean a whole lot of it is better.
I enjoy your input to my thread. It's thought provoking.  There's no need to leave just because you don't agree with something.  We can agree to disagree. No big deal.  
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MF, Dr. D. recommends therapeutic doses of supplements all the time. That is what we are talking about here. Reversing damage that can even be life threatening. I'm seventy years old. I'm not worried about a lot of things that younger people are so bothered about! But if I can head off a broken hip, mind-bending pain from degeneration of vertebrae, to say nothing of needlessly dropping dead with a heart attack before my time, a few pills of Vitamin V2 is worth every single penny. Additionally, I would rather not drive my family nuts with my having dementia caused by misdirected calcium in my brain driving them nuts. And that is just to mention a few of the things we are talking about avoiding here. Are poisonous pain killers, BP medication (Calcium channel blockers, yeah, right!), Prednisone and a host of others I haven't heard of yet, better options  than a few Vitamin K2 pills? I don't think so. I may not be able to take the Natto derived K2, time will only tell whether it will work for me or not. We accept that risk using any number of other supplements.

But I don't expect this post to make a bit of difference whatsoever, I am just stating my position and what I am intending to do myself. I don't need any lectures about it.


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Yes, Chloe, I have seen those lists of foods. I also crave egg yolks, a superfood for me. I, also, adore chicken liver - it is a black dot for me. AND, I also adore calves' liver and it is a black dot! Oh, by the way, I did hear from Bob and, among other things, this is part of what he said, "A black dot for Natto indicates it can be carefully re-introduced after 60 days." Well, many moons have passed since I started on these diets, so I don't see a problem with me starting slow and increasing as conditions indicate.

As for the calcium, vitamin D, mag and other minerals conundrum, I have been knowing about these connections for over twenty-five years. That is why I am in shock that no one on this board has been aware of the K2 deal, including myself! Maybe I've gotten to be too much of a lemming in spite of myself!

Yes, I've watched some videos of people eating Natto a while back! I wasn't exactly shrieking, but pretty close! I wonder why people don't just drink the stuff????? Yikes! On the other hand, I'm needing it so badly, it might not taste so awful to me. But I'm not wild about s~l~i~m~e! Shudder!


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Spring, I was craving (of all things) yesterday wheat grass juice.....Tore apart my kitchen for the
jar I remembered buying but never opened.....So I had some last night before bed, 2 t in water...slept great.. but did you know a few tsps of wheat grass powder has 85-110 mcg of vitamin K?   Rather than go after a black dot food to raise your K level, why not just buy yourself a jar of wheat grass powder?  It's a whole food, and to me, better than a pill.  Natto happens to be a beneficial for me....so I wouldn't be concerned taking a natto supplement...But, each person has to decide how they wish to treat black dots.  

Wonder why the egg yolks in the Netherlands are higher in K2 than in America?

Well, sometimes new information just has to be treated as finding a diamond in a haystack. And
it's also about timing...I usually find that when I need to know something, it's the right time to
be searching for that information and finding it.  I'm happy for suddenly craving egg yolks,
tolerating manchego cheese (which I didn't in the past) and now wanting wheat grass juice. I think it's enough to raise my K2 slowly without having to swallow any more pills.


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MF, Dr. D. recommends therapeutic doses of supplements all the time..


I don't think Dr. D recommends therapeutic doses   I believe he's quite conservative with supplement dosage...  If you want to avoid a broken hip, you might want to use resistance training...like lifting weights. That's what makes your bones dense.  
This woman is in her 70's. She has the bone density of a 20 year old from weight training.
Need I say more?  Ok I will. It's not always about supplements. Some times it's about fresh air, sunshine and water..  and weight training. (proper exercise)

http://www.joycevedral.com/
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I know you can't do rebounding MF, but I do it for weight bearing exercise and it's also been
proven to build bone density.

This article explains the difference between lifting weights and doing weight bearing exercise.

http://life.gaiam.com/article/5-ways-boost-bone-building-power-your-workout


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I know you can't do rebounding MF, but I do it for weight bearing exercise and it's also been
proven to build bone density.

This article explains the difference between lifting weights and doing weight bearing exercise.

http://life.gaiam.com/article/5-ways-boost-bone-building-power-your-workout


I wish I could. I used to rebound when I was younger..   I'm not allowed to jump or run. I love my total gym. I think it gives me the resistance I need. I'm working out on it 30 mins at a time.  I also am walking and I do Leslie Sansone, and I have HHAbs and I want the new Zumba Gold dvd's. I have the original set but it's so fast paced. I think an O would really like the work out.  
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I don't think Dr. D recommends therapeutic doses   I believe he's quite conservative with supplement dosage...  If you want to avoid a broken hip, you might want to use resistance training...like lifting weights. That's what makes your bones dense.  
This woman is in her 70's. She has the bone density of a 20 year old from weight training.
Need I say more?  Ok I will. It's not always about supplements. Some times it's about fresh air, sunshine and water..  and weight training. (proper exercise)

http://www.joycevedral.com/


I told you I didn't need a lecture, MF. Have you never read my posts about the exercise I get? I wouldn't doubt that I could out-last anyone on this board with endurance. Yes, I think you are a great deal like your mother.....   If you think the dosage of Vitamin B-12 in the recommendations on Dr. D's brand are not therapeutic, you need to do a little research!  


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They aren't even mentioning vitamin K

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/256911.php


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They aren't even mentioning vitamin K

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/256911.php


Thanks for the links.. the other one too.    Supplements can only do so much. We need the weight bearing exercise to stimulate the bones to be stronger..   Like I said I'm getting my K from broccoli and I'll take D because we get no sun around here, for immune function.    
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Thanks for the links.. the other one too.    Supplements can only do so much. We need the weight bearing exercise to stimulate the bones to be stronger..   Like I said I'm getting my K from broccoli and I'll take D because we get no sun around here, for immune function.    


Wonder if you know the answer to this question.  Would a recumbent bike be effective as far as being able to stimulate bone?  I am not really going against a huge resistance as I pedal....but just wondering if I should just perceive this type of exercise to be aerobic rather
than contributing to bone strength.  Seems to me it's good for muscular strength.  Just don't know a lot about the function of exercise as it relates to bones.





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