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Yes, I read that, and that is one of the reasons I am wondering about a lot of things... WHY are we apparently NOT getting what we need from food when we are stuffing ourselves with the right ones???!!! I think we are going to have to resort to supplementation because I don't have a whole lot of confidence in what our foods actually contain these days. I know for a fact that the nutrients of foods have drastically diminished in the last years from what they were some years ago. When was the last time they actually checked the food values? Ten years ago? Were they using organically grown foods or the chemically grown for the testing? Most of us are trying to eat organically grown foods, but what is happening? There is no question that something is wrong somewhere..... We shouldn't have to bathe in magnesium to get what we need or take a multitude of pills to keep our bones strong when the poorest of the poor have better bones than we do!


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I was able to easily raise my D level with pills....Only it bothers me thinking I might not have had
enough K at the same time when I was taking D independently and unaware of the consequences
of K deficiency.  Hate to think that any calcium I was absorbing from foods was being dragged into arteries instead of going to bone..Is it possible doctors writing scripts for high D have no clue about the necessity for vitamin K?  What am I even asking....of course most doctors wouldn't know.

I'n not sure if the poorest of poor have such great bones.  Who is doing bone density testing on them? Not even sure their D is measured.  I just think some of them are so morbidly obese from
eating fast food that the weight bearing effects of carrying their bodies around has prevented bone
wasting.  Sometimes being on the thin side is a disadvantage. It's why I like rebounding....that
bouncing jars my body just enough to give me a weight bearing effect.


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I eat those green food high in Vit K on a regular basis, though I still bruise easily, !


Brusing easily is a sign of vitamin C deficiency. I don't know how K got involved?  
How much C do you take a day? I take about 1,000mg a day.
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I was able to easily raise my D level with pills....Only it bothers me thinking I might not have had
enough K at the same time when I was taking D independently and unaware of the consequences
of K deficiency.  Hate to think that any calcium I was absorbing from foods was being dragged into arteries instead of going to bone...


I doubt you would have trouble. You eat very well. You eat a lot of green vegetables. I had cut back on  broccoli and was eating  more cauliflower but I'm going to eat more broccoli now. I don't like cauliflower anyway and it's a diamond.    I just find myself gagging it down all the time..
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has prevented bone
wasting.  Sometimes being on the thin side is a disadvantage. It's why I like rebounding....that
bouncing jars my body just enough to give me a weight bearing effect.


That's why I like my total gym. Resistance training builds bone. Plus I can row on it and that keeps the back strong so I won't hunch over.  I was reading that hunching over wasn't caused by osteoporosis. They think it's from muscle wasting away with age in the back. Use it or lose it!
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I doubt you would have trouble. You eat very well. You eat a lot of green vegetables. I had cut back on  broccoli and was eating  more cauliflower but I'm going to eat more broccoli now. I don't like cauliflower anyway and it's a diamond.    I just find myself gagging it down all the time..


I'm not someone who likes cauliflower either but a friend who used to be a caterer taught me a way to
make it where it actually tastes good.  You cut the cauliflower into flowerettes...and rinse with water..
strain out water and place into a bowl.  Add enough EVOO and toss cauliflower around a bit so herbs will stick.  I generally like to use Italian seasonings....and just add sea salt to taste.  And then
it goes onto a sheet pan and baked/roasted at 350 for about 35-40 minutes, checking halfway
and flipping pieces over.  Although it's good hot, it's just as good cold as a salad-like ingredient.
Or sometimes I just add cold cooked tofu and other veggies to this.  My husband who would not
eat cauliflower, even if I offered to let him have a major cheat meal ate almost an entire cauliflower
by himself when cooked this way.  Not saying you're going to love cauliflower after this but you
might at least be able to eat it without gagging.  The smell of it boiling makes me gag...but roasting
is another story.



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For some reason cauliflower is an avoid for me..... And, yes, Mayflowers, bruising is a symptom of Vitamin K deficiency. It definitely is "involved!"


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I was able to easily raise my D level with pills....Only it bothers me thinking I might not have had enough K at the same time when I was taking D independently and unaware of the consequences of K deficiency.  

I don't think you have anything to worry about at all. Your BDT wouldn't be normal if your Vitamin K was too low. Obviously my 'K had been low for some time or I wouldn't have had osteopenia. It happened before I was on the diets. It has gotten a tad better since then. But I had my 'D checked at the end of the summer so you would think that it would have been better than 23 since I am outside a LOT in the summer, plus I had upped my supplement! Strange....

I remember a boy from a poor family in my class when we were in elementary school who had a severe break in his leg simply from dropping about a foot and a half from a chinning bar. The teachers were feeling so badly about it because they were certain it was caused from malnutrition. I've had some pretty bad falls working in the yard several times, but, (knock on all the wood in the house!) I have never broken a bone in my life.


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Brusing easily is a sign of vitamin C deficiency. I don't know how K got involved?  
How much C do you take a day? I take about 1,000mg a day.


I take 1000 mg daily in pill form, then the rest from food (i.e. lemon juice, grapefruit juice)


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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I take 1000 mg daily in pill form, then the rest from food (i.e. lemon juice, grapefruit juice)

Drea, I've been reading reviews written by people whose doctors have put them on Vitamin K for the very reason we are discussing here. I find that WE are 'way behind the curve on this one! I am taking the plunge as soon as I can get some and will let you know if I have the surge in wonderful feelings these people are having. They also say that their skin is improving dramatically!! Sounds good to me!!


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I also associate bruising with a need for vitamin C, and also bioflavanoids.  When I used to take ascorbic acid, I would still bruise, but when I switched to food-sourced vitamin C, such as amla or camu, the bruising stopped.



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I associate a need for both Vitamin C and Vitamin K for bruising and have for years.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_K
This is an interesting page about protein foods that contain K2 which is the one we need to be the most concerned about for our hearts and bones.


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I have been taking NAPs Vit D since September, though I'm not currently taking it while I'm on the mega-dose script...My Vit C is a high quality (not ascorbate)...anyway, my original question was should I continue to take the NAP Vit D supp (which has K) while I'm also taking the mega dose? I think I will, because 2000 more IUs on top of 50,000 IUs isn't going to make a huge difference...


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Quoted from Drea
I have been taking NAPs Vit D since September, though I'm not currently taking it while I'm on the mega-dose script...My Vit C is a high quality (not ascorbate)...anyway, my original question was should I continue to take the NAP Vit D supp (which has K) while I'm also taking the mega dose? I think I will, because 2000 more IUs on top of 50,000 IUs isn't going to make a huge difference...


I would continue with Phyto D because your logic makes sense....what's 2,000 more D in
relation to your prescription dose of D..... but realize it's still way too low in the total K you'd
need to meet daily requirements.



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I have been taking NAPs Vit D since September, though I'm not currently taking it while I'm on the mega-dose script...My Vit C is a high quality (not ascorbate)...anyway, my original question was should I continue to take the NAP Vit D supp (which has K) while I'm also taking the mega dose? I think I will, because 2000 more IUs on top of 50,000 IUs isn't going to make a huge difference...

I quit taking the 50,000 D and am taking a total of 35,000 per week in my NAP sup and what is in my calcium/mineral/D3 sup. But with this Vitamin K2 information, I don't think we need all that Vitamin D, what we need is a balance with K2. I'm beginning to see that this lack is what makes our skin age (spidery veins and rash-like redness) besides the other problems we may have with bones, etc. I had no idea there was such a ton of information about this on the internet. It seems that every Tom, Dick and Harry knew more about it than we do.  And it isn't a lack of K1 that comes from the veggies we eat that is the problem, it is the K2. Natto is extremely high in it, but it is a black dot for me, and I'm not sure I could eat the stuff anyway! And I'm not sure it would be an avoid for me in a supplement or not. Most of them are made from natto. So it is a conundrum, for sure, to know what to do. If you can have natto, I would get a supplement and add it to your regimen. And monitor how you feel.
     Oh, and the link I provided earlier for sources of K2 in proteins is enlightening too. Sometimes K1 can be converted to K2, but it seems that many people are having a problem with that.


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I take 1000 mg daily in pill form, then the rest from food (i.e. lemon juice, grapefruit juice)


Are you sure you are absorbing the C?  I was taking a brand that I wasn't even absorbing.I think the brand was Windmill vitamin C and you can only get it in a pharmacy.     I didn't realize it until I kept having sinus, gum and UTI issues and then it hit me and I switched to Solaray and the problems cleared up.  
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I associate a need for both Vitamin C and Vitamin K for bruising and have for years.


Well I've had broccoli two days in a row. It tastes a lot better than cauliflower..!!
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I'm not someone who likes cauliflower either but a friend who used to be a caterer taught me a way to
make it where it actually tastes good.  You cut the cauliflower into flowerettes...and rinse with water..
strain out water and place into a bowl.  Add enough EVOO and toss cauliflower around a bit so herbs will stick.  I generally like to use Italian seasonings....and just add sea salt to taste.


Thanks.. I've tried it roasted like that ...eh.  One way I liked was a recipe from the Frugal Gourmet which was Greek style.  I'm trying to remember it.  The whole head is rinsed then drizzeled with EVOO and then sprinkled with salt and pepper and fresh chopped parsely.. I think that's it. That is similar but with just fresh parsely. It's good that way too.  You'd just bake the whole head.  Wait! I think you add fresh lemon juice too..! Before baking.

Here's another one. We can just leave out the bread crumbs.
http://www.mommysavers.com/frugal-gourmet-roasted-cauliflower-with-pine-nuts-and-parmesan/
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Thanks.. I've tried it roasted like that ...eh.  One way I liked was a recipe from the Frugal Gourmet which was Greek style.  I'm trying to remember it.  The whole head is rinsed then drizzeled with EVOO and then sprinkled with salt and pepper and fresh chopped parsely.. I think that's it. That is similar but with just fresh parsely. It's good that way too.  You'd just bake the whole head.  Wait! I think you add fresh lemon juice too..! Before baking.

Here's another one. We can just leave out the bread crumbs.
http://www.mommysavers.com/frugal-gourmet-roasted-cauliflower-with-pine-nuts-and-parmesan/


The whole head is roasted?  That would put the flavor on the outside flowerettes but leave the inside tasteless, I think....but your second recipe sounds yummy...Definitely going to try that
one.  I've made bread crumbs from GF bread...or the HFS sells brown rice bread crumbs. And
I love pine nuts.  Good one~  




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The whole head is roasted?  That would put the flavor on the outside flowerettes but leave the inside tasteless, I think


You would think that but I did not find that to be the case     I guess I could use GF bread crumbs but it will raise the GI.
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You would think that but I did not find that to be the case     I guess I could use GF bread crumbs but it will raise the GI.
  

Sounds so easy....going to try it.......Do you have more info?  Temperature and time?
Uncovered pan, right?  



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  Sounds so easy....going to try it.......Do you have more info?  Temperature and time?
Uncovered pan, right?


I'll try to find the recipe.but I think it's 350 in a uncovered dish and not sure of the time...
...hour?
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I'll try to find the recipe.but I think it's 350 in a uncovered dish and not sure of the time...
...hour?


Thanks, I think I can gauge the cooking time just knowing the temperature and the fact that the
baking dish remains uncovered.

Sorry, this is SO off topic but this morning, I baked a whole kombucha squash by poking holes in the top of it, wrapping it in foil, putting it in the oven and just letting it steam from the inside out. Set oven to 350 and after about 45 minutes, it was perfectly cooked. I was then able to cut it in half, scoop out the seeds, let it cool and scrape off squash from the skin.. I love the idea of baking vegetables.  I just could not cut that thick skinned squash in half. A perfect solution for
people who love squash but can't cut into them.

OK, getting back on track to vitamin D discussions.    MF Have you had your D level tested since
you're using the Blue Bonnet brand?  That's the formula that originally got me up to a good level.
I'm now using Dr. D's Phyto D but supplementing occasionally with additional D because I do not think 2,000 iu is enough.  But taking it for the K and because it's on my shift prescription.



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OK, getting back on track to vitamin D discussions.    MF Have you had your D level tested since
you're using the Blue Bonnet brand?  That's the formula that originally got me up to a good level.
I'm now using Dr. D's Phyto D but supplementing occasionally with additional D because I do not think 2,000 iu is enough.  But taking it for the K and because it's on my shift prescription.


No I haven't gone yet. I keep putting it off.. I'll make myself go next week.  If you take Dr. D's Phyto D then he recommends 2 caps a day. That's 4,000 ius. That should be enough?  I took 2,000 ius of another brand, maybe it was Now? My levels dropped.  I'm currently taking 5,000 ius of GNC brand and not having any reaction..so I'm suspicious that I'm absorbing it at all.     I bought Country Life magnesium to take with it and they didn't have the Now brand I like and this brand has silica in it and I think it was disrupting my sleep..I hate when I can't get my brand..
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