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Chloe- my guess is that it's all about individuality. Clearly, taking the D with a large meal made a huge impact on Mayflowers. For other individuals it may not make much of a difference. I wonder if the rats on a high-fat diet fared worse simply because rats don't fare well on high-fat diets. Perhaps some of the D was being excreted in the stool with some undigested fat. And there are many factors at play with that "single high dose" study- were the patients fasting when they took the dose with skim milk or were they absorbing it via fat already in their stomachs?


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Dr John Cannell surprised me by saying that it makes no difference when
you take D or if you take it with fat or not


I don't agree. It's individual. For me dinner was the time to take it. I had the proof! I was taking it with breakfast and then got tested and my level dropped.
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Do you wear sunscreen?


Not usually, though I know I should.



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I don't agree. It's individual. For me dinner was the time to take it. I had the proof! I was taking it with breakfast and then got tested and my level dropped.


I happen to agree with you...I take my D with a meal that contains fat and I believe my level is
high because of that.

BUT....

My surprise was that Dr. Cannell said it doesn't matter when this man is THE top vitamin D researcher and he has created the Vitamin D Council.  I would just like to believe everything he
says....but honestly, I dunno...
  



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Not usually, though I know I should.


Well the skin needs about 30 mins of exposure to make vitamin D and they also said that's with a tank top and shorts on exposing a lot of skin.  I don't wear sunscreen unless I'm at the shore in the sun for hours..then I use Banana Boat for kids. It seems to be one of the few that I don't break out in a rash from. You should have seen my thighs in the Bahamas. I put on Ban DeSole and my skin had a reaction to it with the sun and I had a really bad rash ...sort of ruined my vacation. I had to keep my legs out of the sun until the rash totally cleared up or it would burn horribly.
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Just took my first dose after fried eggs in ghee and turkey bacon...this script is a green gel cap...for what it's worth...I'll inform of any reactions...


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Zero reaction...whoohoo! Life goes on...


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I happen to agree with you...I take my D with a meal that contains fat and I believe my level is
high because of that.


Oh. Ok I didn't quite understand what you meant. I don't know if it's a "meal containing fat" or a larger meal that makes the difference?  All my meals contain fat.  
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Zero reaction...whoohoo! Life goes on...


Yeah, that sounds like the gel cap I took. I had no reaction to it. Didn't even make me nauseous.
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Oh. Ok I didn't quite understand what you meant. I don't know if it's a "meal containing fat" or a larger meal that makes the difference?  All my meals contain fat.  


I would just think the meals that contain fat would help to absorb a fat soluble vitamin.  And most
of my meals contain some fat too.  Just something like eggs for breakfast cooked in ghee/EVOO
might be more fat than maybe my lunch which could be a bean soup and salad/fruit.

Glad you didn't have a negative reaction, Drea....



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I haven't been continuing to take the 4000 IUs of NAPs Vit D now that I'm on the mega dose regimen, but I'm wondering if I should???


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I haven't been continuing to take the 4000 IUs of NAPs Vit D now that I'm on the mega dose regimen, but I'm wondering if I should???


From what I understand, if we don't have Vitamin K, etc., which is in the D 2000, we run the risk of the vitamin D settling in our soft tissue - including the brain. All this is part of the reason I switched back to the NAP/DPN Vit. D. I don't need anything clogging up my brain!! Maybe you have already done some research about the relationship of Vitamin K and D, but if you haven't, I would do that if I were you. Of course, Dr. D. already had that figured out! Some days we may get plenty of Vitamin K and some days we may not. Who knows how much the stuff we buy at the grocery has in it anyway?! Just thought I would mention this....


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From what I understand, if we don't have Vitamin K, etc., which is in the D 2000, we run the risk of the vitamin D settling in our soft tissue - including the brain. All this is part of the reason I switched back to the NAP/DPN Vit. D. I don't need anything clogging up my brain!! Maybe you have already done some research about the relationship of Vitamin K and D, but if you haven't, I would do that if I were you. Of course, Dr. D. already had that figured out! Some days we may get plenty of Vitamin K and some days we may not. Who knows how much the stuff we buy at the grocery has in it anyway?! Just thought I would mention this....
Thanks for the recommendation/reminder. I read the description and am going to order it soon. I'm curious what difference it makes in my mood, I have a hunch there's going to be some.... Or am I aiming too far?

Right now I take 2000 IU daily in 1000 IU drops which contain few additives, and which I've intended to replace anyway.



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From what I understand, if we don't have Vitamin K, etc., which is in the D 2000, we run the risk of the vitamin D settling in our soft tissue - including the brain...


Where did you read that? I never heard of that!  
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Well, we didn't hear until a little while ago that nearly everyone is deficient in Vitamin D, either, so it is no wonder that you haven't read about the need for making sure Vitamin K is adequate! Mostly, what we've heard about Vitamin K is that people taking poisons from the drug company need to be careful about their consumption of the vegetables that are high in it!

But there is plenty going on about this relationship. For instance, I didn't know there were several different forms of Vitamin K. Dr. Mercola has gotten into the "dance," as he calls it, but he does have some good references, and his article is easy to read: http://articles.mercola.com/si.....itamins-d-and-k.aspx I will furnish some more references when I have time - hopefully, later today.


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Vitamin K-dependent proteins in the body act as potent inhibitors of vascular calcification. So adequate vitamin K will help to ensure calcium ends up in bone where it belongs, instead of calcifying various soft tissues.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-cofactors/vitamin-k/

http://www.spineuniverse.com/conditions/osteoporosis/osteoporosis-vitamin-d-vitamin-k

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=112


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Vitamin K-dependent proteins in the body act as potent inhibitors of vascular calcification. So adequate vitamin K will help to ensure calcium ends up in bone where it belongs, instead of calcifying various soft tissues.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-cofactors/vitamin-k/

http://www.spineuniverse.com/conditions/osteoporosis/osteoporosis-vitamin-d-vitamin-k

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=112


Thanks for sharing these links, Spring  ...I always believed taking a lot of vitamin D without at least eating a lot of high vitamin K foods  (if not supplementing with K)  could prove to be dangerous. Dr. D's phyto D has 25 mcg of K to 2,000 iu of D. I'm quite sure this is the proper ratio of D to K and anyone taking D alone might want to up their intake of greens.

Here's a list of some of the highest vitamin K foods.
http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/food-sources-of-vitamin-k.php
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=112

Makes me understand why I'm always craving brussels sprouts.  High in vit. K.


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Makes me understand why I'm always craving brussels sprouts.  High in vit. K.


And it has certainly made sense to me that I have been craving two big salads a day since I first upped my Vitamin D intake a few months ago (this was before the doctor prescribed the 50,000 IUs.). This is sort of a scary business to me that doctors will prescribe 50,000 IU's of Vitamin D in one dose!! That is why I began to do some research about it. No way under the sun will I take that much again at one time! My head pounded and I felt horrible all over.

On the other hand, I hate to think what kinds of problems people on coumadin are developing because of having to be careful of too much Vitamin K! Just a thought, but I wonder if calcium channel blockers could be replaced with Vitamin K. Makes sense to me! After all, they give CCB's for headaches!


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And it has certainly made sense to me that I have been craving two big salads a day since I first upped my Vitamin D intake a few months ago (this was before the doctor prescribed the 50,000 IUs.). This is sort of a scary business to me that doctors will prescribe 50,000 IU's of Vitamin D in one dose!! That is why I began to do some research about it. No way under the sun will I take that much again at one time! My head pounded and I felt horrible all over.

On the other hand, I hate to think what kinds of problems people on coumadin are developing because of having to be careful of too much Vitamin K! Just a thought, but I wonder if calcium channel blockers could be replaced with Vitamin K. Makes sense to me! After all, they give CCB's for headaches!


Lots of good logic....  I am in total agreement!



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I think I'll just start eating more broccoli again instead of taking a supplement.  Broccoli is very high in K. I had to limit it's consumption when I was on coumadin.
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I just took a look at that list of high  vitamin K foods- between spinach, broccoli, parsley, and the green beverages I have (red raspberry leaf and/or nettle tea daily) I think I'm getting enough vitamin K.


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I think I'll just start eating more broccoli again instead of taking a supplement.  Broccoli is very high in K. I had to limit it's consumption when I was on coumadin.


Sounds like a good plan to me! I eat a lot of broccoli.


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I eat those green food high in Vit K on a regular basis, though I still bruise easily, which is an indicator (according to the second link Chloe posted) that I need more. I've always bruised easily, so that has nothing to do with the high doses of Vit D I'm currently taking.

I just wanna feel better, overall!


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I eat those green food high in Vit K on a regular basis, though I still bruise easily, which is an indicator (according to the second link Chloe posted) that I need more. I've always bruised easily, so that has nothing to do with the high doses of Vit D I'm currently taking.

I just wanna feel better, overall!


If I even remotely bruised easily, I would supplement Vitamin K. In my opinion, there is something really strange about the Vitamin K, Vitamin D and calcium/magnesium problem in this country. Even among people like us who have been eating basically a good diet our entire lives!! And it is more than strange that we have this astronomical problem with bone density here even compared to some of the poorest countries in the world. Something is very wrong! The country got sold on fluoride that was supposed to strengthen our bones. What's up with that? Right now I am drinking spring water.....


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From Dr. John Cannell, Vitamin D council

Notice our vitamin K needs INCREASE with age.  Women need 90 mcg of K per day.  Dr. D's Phyto D contains 25 mcg.   Somehow we've got to eat 65 mcg worth of vitamin K foods
every day if we take one Phyto D.  And if taking a D without any K....then we have to get all of our
K from diet.


Supplementary vitamin K
Cheese is a great source for vitamin K2 MK-7, with Swiss Cheese having the highest amount.
Daily needs
Unlike other fat-soluble nutrients, vitamin K is not stored in the body and must be received daily through diet or supplementation. In fact, research indicates one can become deficient in vitamin K in as little as 7 days.

In 2000 the National Academy of Sciences established the following Adequate Intake (AI) levels for vitamin K:

Children under 1 years: 2- 2.5 mcg
Children 1-3 years: 30 mcg
Children 4-13 years: 55-60 mcg
Adolescents 14-18 years: 75 mcg
Adult males: 120 mcg
Adult females: 90 mcg
Pregnant or lactating females: 75-90 mcg
Vitamin K needs increase with age. Older individuals will require larger amounts of vitamin K than will younger adults.

Due to increasing awareness of vitamin K's beneficial health effects, many scientists are now suggesting the recommended intake be increased.

Which vitamin K should I use?
While research indicates both vitamin K1 and K2 have beneficial actions in the body, it is vitamin K2 that is indicated as a necessary co-factor for vitamin D. However, the jury is still out as to the various actions by MK-4 and MK-7 in the body, and which one, if either, is more essential to health.

Vitamin K deficiency
Just as most people get only enough vitamin D to provide protection against rickets and not the more serious conditions vitamin D can protect against, most people get enough K to maintain adequate blood clotting, but not enough to confer protection against conditions such as arterial calcification.

Vitamin K deficiency symptoms
easy bruising
nosebleeds
bleeding gums
blood in the urine and stools
extremely heavy menstrual bleeding
Vitamin K1 insufficiency in bone has been shown to increase risk of vertebral fracture independently from BMD.

Lack of sufficient vitamin K2, can cause the cells lining blood vessel walls to act like bone cells, i.e., absorb calcium.

Vitamin K toxicity
No adverse effects have been reported for vitamin K - whether from food or supplements - and so there are no documented toxicity symptoms. There currently is no Upper Limit established for vitamin K.

Contraindications
It is generally recommended to avoid vitamin K altogether when using blood-thinning drugs such as Warfarin or Coumadin. However, studies have found vitamin K2 to be an effective stabilizer in anticoagulant therapy, proving beneficial in situations of over-anticoagulation or when the response to therapy has been variable.


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