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Is this an old article? They apparently don't even know that Vit. K2 IS sold in the United States.

Too much calcium and not enough magnesium is probably at the root of overly "thick blood." There is a reason for taking CALCIUM channel blockers to protect the heart!! Of course, as usual, the channel blockers cause a world of problems all their own. Most doctors don't know enough yet to understand that too much calcium is causing a lot of problems. But with drug companies pushing "fixes" there is no wonder!


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Quoted from Spring

Is this an old article? They apparently don't even know that Vit. K2 IS sold in the United States.

Too much calcium and not enough magnesium is probably at the root of overly "thick blood." There is a reason for taking CALCIUM channel blockers to protect the heart!! Of course, as usual, the channel blockers cause a world of problems all their own. Most doctors don't know enough yet to understand that too much calcium is causing a lot of problems. But with drug companies pushing "fixes" there is no wonder!


Don't know how old this is.....just had trouble finding a basic article about K2 and just grabbed
one that seemed fairly comprehensive.  If you have better links, I would appreciate it if you'd
share it with us... Just wanted to find something quickly and not much was available.....There seems to be less and less good nutritional information available lately on the web....more from medical facilities and less from nutritional companies.  Someone somewhere is censoring this info.  Never had so much trouble finding info about nutrients as I am now!  



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Here is a short but interesting update (2012) on the work these people are doing on the osteoporosis conundrum:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23173109
It seems that the public interest in this is forcing research! No wonder the "powers that be" are trying to shut the public down - whatever it takes!!


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Too much calcium and not enough magnesium is probably at the root of overly "thick blood." There is a reason for taking CALCIUM channel blockers to protect the heart!! Of course, as usual, the channel blockers cause a world of problems all their own. Most doctors don't know enough yet to understand that too much calcium is causing a lot of problems. But with drug companies pushing "fixes" there is no wonder!


According to Dr. D, a Warrior's thick blood is from the battle field. We genetically developed thicker blood to clot quicker, and heal faster from sword slashes so we don't bleed to death in battle. If you care to argue with him and tell him he doesn't know enough...feel free.  
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Even long ago warriors left the battlefield now and then.......


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Even long ago warriors left the battlefield now and then.......


Are you inferring that the clotting only worked in battle?   It doesn't matter if we left the battle field or not. The point is that we genetically developed the ability to clot faster and heal faster, and it's still in my genes..  
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No, I was not....


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Yes, but there are times when you've said you had taken large doses of vitamin D. What happens
is that the magnesium can't get from storage to the active form.

Posting this again from Dr. Carolyn Dean because I think it's such an eye opener.  My mind is now wrapped around taking a small amount of D (2,000 iu per day) and focusing on getting more magnesium. Also getting the rest of my D from the sun.

Basically Vitamin D is a hormone with a feedback mechanism to let you know if you have enough calcium. Because we are so calcified with supplements and fortified foods, our Vitamin D levels in general are low. This has been interpreted as a deficiency and not as a reaction to calcium. Also Vitamin D requires magnesium to transform it from the storage form to the active form. So when you take Vitamin D in high doses you overuse your magnesium and you hold on to more calcium which also knocks out your magnesium. People who are already magnesium deficient can get hit very hard. The 20% of people who can metabolize Vitamin D without ill effects do well on it. To determine which you are is difficult. So, what you do is monitor you 25-OH Vitamin D levels, work up to about 800mg of magnesium and slowly build up your Vitamin D using 1,000-2,000 IU daily.


I can't "build up my vitamin D levels using 1,000-2,000 iu daily" when I had a level of 33 after taking 5,000 iu daily! clearly that wasn't enough for me!


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Now I'm wondering about magnesium and vitamin D. Could low magnesium have been behind my previous difficulty in  maintaining a high level of vitamin D? Could greatly increasing my mag intake enable me to maintain my D level while taking a much lower dose?

Somebody invited me to a magnesium Facebook group about a week ago, and it's a VERY active group, so I'm constantly going back to read the new messages and magnesium has been on my mind a lot.

In addition to using the mag oil on my skin and epsom salts baths (which, according to some sources, isn't a very good source of mag but great for detox) I've been putting some mag oil and baking soda in water and drinking that throughout the day. This coincided with me dropping my vitamin D intake in half (I'm running out and can't buy more until June) and for the past couple of days I've stopped taking it altogether.


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This coincided with me dropping my vitamin D intake in half (I'm running out and can't buy more until June) and for the past couple of days I've stopped taking it altogether.


Well, you can always lay out in the sun to make D.   Yeah, I know it's not sunny today... but it will be soon. It's a good idea to do both. IMO the human body is not used to supplements. It's used to making D by sunlight. Messing with Mother again by taking a supplement..

Also, I read that heavy people have trouble absorbing D and the minerals. I'm heavy right now and my D levels took a long time to go up.  I don't know if you're still heavy.  
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Now I'm wondering about magnesium and vitamin D. Could low magnesium have been behind my previous difficulty in  maintaining a high level of vitamin D? Could greatly increasing my mag intake enable me to maintain my D level while taking a much lower dose?

Somebody invited me to a magnesium Facebook group about a week ago, and it's a VERY active group, so I'm constantly going back to read the new messages and magnesium has been on my mind a lot.

In addition to using the mag oil on my skin and epsom salts baths (which, according to some sources, isn't a very good source of mag but great for detox) I've been putting some mag oil and baking soda in water and drinking that throughout the day. This coincided with me dropping my vitamin D intake in half (I'm running out and can't buy more until June) and for the past couple of days I've stopped taking it altogether.


Maybe we should get another magnesium thread going.  As Carolyn Dean points out, the underlying issue is not how much vitamin D we swallow, but how much we can get out of storage because if our magnesium levels aren't optimal we're holding onto calcium instead. THat
must be the cause of an achy body. Overly calcified...  When we take more D into our bodies than we can move from storage to active, down goes our magnesium levels.  And that's why we shouldn't be taking a lot of vitamin D.  Our D might keep going into storage and not being
utilized....while driving our magnesium levels lower.

If a vitamin D reading is nothing more than an indicator of having adequate calcium in the body, then perhaps a low or high reading isn't telling any of us what we think we want to know.  It just tells us that yes, our calcium is adequate....but doesn't tell us where that calcium went....Did it go into bones and teeth?  Soft tissue?  This is where K2 comes in.....But even with a high D reading,
does it tell us it's gone from storage into being active?

Where is the measuring device that says "your D is in active mode or your D is in storage mode".

There was a time where D wasn't measured.....people got vitamin D from foods and sunshine....
Suddenly, levels are being measured and everyone is saying "yes or no" to levels being good or
bad..  What if high D means nothing more than all the D is in storage.....in the blood but not being utlilized at all....I'm somehow believing with a level of 72 that the D I have went to my bones....
but it really just means that I have enough calcium.....but where is that calcium?  In my bones or
soft tissue.

Not sure about this from the copious amount of information that is available....Doctors are
testing for D but aren't sure about anything more than "your level is within safe limits".  My
sister with a brain tumor was told her D level of 32 was good.  Good for what?  Her bones are
strong....her bone scan is better than mine and her D level is practically at the bottom....mine
is high. She takes no D....eats a lot of yogurt and dairy.  I don't.  She doesn't take magnesium,
doesn't eat high magnesium foods.  I do and I have trouble holding onto magnesium.

So what do we know? I know that I can't hold onto magnesium....I do not really know what it means when a doctor looks at me and tells my D level is high.....but I know I have achy muscles.

Ruthie, if you wind up learning something new from that magnesium FB group please start a thread or post here....Love to know what's going on with the latest information on magnesium.  My gut tells me this is where I need to focus.



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I'm about 163 lbs. I should be 30 pounds below that, but the weight doesn't seem to want to budge. I've maintained this weight, plus or minus five pounds, for the past couple of years.

Laying out in the sun is hard because of religious modesty- I'm not about to expose my upper legs or upper arms (and certainly not my belly or back!) in public, and I don't have a private place to sunbathe. I do, however, NOT use sunscreen when I'm outside so whatever skin is exposed can do its thing.

I rarely get outside during the heat of the day, and I'm not sure how much D I get in the afternoons at this latitude.

I started a mag thread: http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1369244622/


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I'm about 163 lbs. I should be 30 pounds below that, but the weight doesn't seem to want to budge. I've maintained this weight, plus or minus five pounds, for the past couple of years.


I think I  know what the problem is. You're an O and you need an intense, sweaty workout.
You can't do that with Fibro can you?  I tell you that I've been walking and it's done nothing for my weight loss. I need a sweaty, more intense workout.. like low impact aerobic dancing to raise my heart rate and increase my oxygen levels.   I bet it's my O-ness ... being an Ao.  Yoga doesn't do a thing for me except injure my joints.  
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I was able to lose weight when I could consistently walk 12 miles a week. I can't always maintain that, and I haven't been able to do that in months. Once school lets out, I think I'll start getting up early and taking a walk before it gets hot out. That's not practical when I need to be home and available to get my kids off to school, and again when they need me at night. I'l either take a daily nap, or go to bed earlier than the kids when I start the morning walks.


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Maybe we should get another magnesium thread going.  As Carolyn Dean points out, the underlying issue is not how much vitamin D we swallow, but how much we can get out of storage because if our magnesium levels aren't optimal we're holding onto calcium instead. THat
must be the cause of an achy body. Overly calcified...  When we take more D into our bodies than we can move from storage to active, down goes our magnesium levels.  And that's why we shouldn't be taking a lot of vitamin D.  Our D might keep going into storage and not being
utilized....while driving our magnesium levels lower.

If a vitamin D reading is nothing more than an indicator of having adequate calcium in the body, then perhaps a low or high reading isn't telling any of us what we think we want to know.  It just tells us that yes, our calcium is adequate....but doesn't tell us where that calcium went....Did it go into bones and teeth?  Soft tissue?  This is where K2 comes in.....But even with a high D reading,
does it tell us it's gone from storage into being active?

Where is the measuring device that says "your D is in active mode or your D is in storage mode".

There was a time where D wasn't measured.....people got vitamin D from foods and sunshine....
Suddenly, levels are being measured and everyone is saying "yes or no" to levels being good or
bad..  What if high D means nothing more than all the D is in storage.....in the blood but not being utlilized at all....I'm somehow believing with a level of 72 that the D I have went to my bones....
but it really just means that I have enough calcium.....but where is that calcium?  In my bones or
soft tissue.

Not sure about this from the copious amount of information that is available....Doctors are
testing for D but aren't sure about anything more than "your level is within safe limits".  My
sister with a brain tumor was told her D level of 32 was good.  Good for what?  Her bones are
strong....her bone scan is better than mine and her D level is practically at the bottom....mine
is high. She takes no D....eats a lot of yogurt and dairy.  I don't.  She doesn't take magnesium,
doesn't eat high magnesium foods.  I do and I have trouble holding onto magnesium.

So what do we know? I know that I can't hold onto magnesium....I do not really know what it means when a doctor looks at me and tells my D level is high.....but I know I have achy muscles.

Ruthie, if you wind up learning something new from that magnesium FB group please start a thread or post here....Love to know what's going on with the latest information on magnesium.  My gut tells me this is where I need to focus.



Chloe, what a great post! I'm thinking you are correct about the Vit D levels. I'm continuing to take 2000-4000 IUs of Vit D (Dr. D's formula) and I've upped my magnesium to close to 800 mg, spread throughout the day. Some of that mag comes in the form of a cal/mag bone supplement, which means I've getting calcium from my food and from supps...but now I'm wondering if I should not be taking any calcium and focus only on the mag... My muscles don't ache (usually, and especially since doing the Egoscue e-cises), and I haven't felt run down in a while, but I did take 50,000 IU's of Vit D, once a week or 8 weeks, ending several weeks ago.


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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I was able to lose weight when I could consistently walk 12 miles a week. I can't always maintain that, and I haven't been able to do that in months. Once school lets out, I think I'll start getting up early and taking a walk before it gets hot out. That's not practical when I need to be home and available to get my kids off to school, and again when they need me at night. I'l either take a daily nap, or go to bed earlier than the kids when I start the morning walks.


That's about 2 miles a day right? Ever hear of  Leslie Sansone dvd's so you can  walk indoors? Come rain, heat, kids...
She has 1 mile walk all the way to 5 mile walks.. Her dvd's are everywhere, Target, Walmart, Barnes and Noble.  Cheap too. I got the 1 and 2 mile heart healthy walk for $9.99.  I've seen one with a stretchy band for $7.99  It's a great workout and if you get tired, you can just march slowly with her...
http://www.collagevideo.com/exercise-videos/leslie-sansone-exercise-videos-10

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The problem isn't walking indoors vs walking outdoors. The problem is that I'm not always strong enough to walk 2 miles a day, 6 days in a row. Weather (too hot, too cold, or too wet) does get in the way sometimes, but not always.

How exactly do those "walking DVDs" work anyway? My treadmill doesn't face the TV.


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The problem isn't walking indoors vs walking outdoors. The problem is that I'm not always strong enough to walk 2 miles a day, 6 days in a row. Weather (too hot, too cold, or too wet) does get in the way sometimes, but not always.

How exactly do those "walking DVDs" work anyway? My treadmill doesn't face the TV.


You need a DVD player or you can play them in your pc if it's dvd compatible. The dvd player is hooked up to the tv then when you put in the dvd in the player it plays on the tv, so you just stand in front of the tv (or pc monitor) basically and follow the dvd. You don't need a lot of room and it's very basic steps very easy. Leslie Sansone is very motivating and friendly. Unless you're asking about the workout... which the link I gave you shows a clip of the workout.
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I can also put a DVD in my DVD player to play it on my TV, with far  fewer wires circling the house.

I do have a computer that plays DVDs, but it's the desktop, not one of the laptops. there's no convenient way to exercise while viewing the monitor- it's just angled wrong. Yes, we (meaning Jack) can hook up wires to the TV to view what's on the computer on the larger screen,  but it's far simpler to use the DVD player directly if we're using a DVD on the TV. It's also more reliable- the computer sometimes freezes up, while the DVD player only messes up if a DVD is damaged.


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I can also put a DVD in my DVD player to play it on my TV, with far  fewer wires circling the house.

I do have a computer that plays DVDs, but it's the desktop, not one of the laptops. there's no convenient way to exercise while viewing the monitor- it's just angled wrong. Yes, we (meaning Jack) can hook up wires to the TV to view what's on the computer on the larger screen,  but it's far simpler to use the DVD player directly if we're using a DVD on the TV. It's also more reliable- the computer sometimes freezes up, while the DVD player only messes up if a DVD is damaged.


Sounds like a DVD player is a better option. I have a Sony player hooked up to my regular TV that I use for movies and to work out with.  I got it at Best Buy $34.99.  DVD players are really cheap. Probably can get another brand for a lot less than that.  Panasonic is good. I had a Toshiba player that lasted one year and died, so I won't buy that brand again.
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I just read something interesting today.

http://articles.mercola.com/si.....iminate-mercury.aspx

I really wish the article was more in-depth, or that I could find more on the topic, but googling "mercury and vitamin D" yielded a lot of message board posts and little else.

I still have 8 amalgam fillings in my mouth. I read somewhere earlier today that more than 4 is associated with health problems in adults. I wonder if my incredibly high need for vitamin D is related to mercury toxicity. No, needing 10,000 iu per day of Vitamin D isn't natural, but it might be a biological reaction to the poison metals stuck in my mouth.

I've dropped down to about 5,000 iu per week instead of 10,000 iu per day, in an attempt to  boost magnesium levels. I'm still not sure what it is my body needs or how best to resolve these issues. I wish I had the money to go to a naturopath or well-trained chiropractor and have him or her "fix me."


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I just read something interesting today.

http://articles.mercola.com/si.....iminate-mercury.aspx

I really wish the article was more in-depth, or that I could find more on the topic, but googling "mercury and vitamin D" yielded a lot of message board posts and little else.

I still have 8 amalgam fillings in my mouth. I read somewhere earlier today that more than 4 is associated with health problems in adults. I wonder if my incredibly high need for vitamin D is related to mercury toxicity. No, needing 10,000 iu per day of Vitamin D isn't natural, but it might be a biological reaction to the poison metals stuck in my mouth.

I've dropped down to about 5,000 iu per week instead of 10,000 iu per day, in an attempt to  boost magnesium levels. I'm still not sure what it is my body needs or how best to resolve these issues. I wish I had the money to go to a naturopath or well-trained chiropractor and have him or her "fix me."


That article is from 2008 and I'm feeling less faith in Dr. Cannell after reading all of Carolyn Dean's
research on magnesium.  Dr. Cannell who Mercola is quoting, although he understands the link
between magnesium and D, doesn't understand it IMHO the way Carolyn Dean does......I'm thinking raising magnesium is still more important than raising D which can lower magnesium.

If you're like me, someone who seems to have issues with holding onto magnesium every day, I
would't focus so much on getting more D from supplements.  You might want to find time on a
sunny day to get outdoors and soak up the sun.  I feel it's the safest way to handle this if you
think your D isn't high enough.

Heavy metals are removed with adequate magnesium.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2640901

http://www.ehow.com/how_6113661_chelate-magnesium.html


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I'm just afraid of having my D level drop too much, since I was maintaining it via supplements in the first place.


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I'm just afraid of having my D level drop too much, since I was maintaining it via supplements in the first place.


then sit in the sun

http://articles.mercola.com/si.....ame-as-sunlight.aspx



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She just said a few posts back when I told her to do that, that she has religious modesty and it's not practical for her to sit in the sun.
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