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ruthiegirl
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My redheaded son tans quite nicely. I use zinc oxide ointment (sold as diaper rash cream) as sunscreen on him when he's going to be in the sun for a long time and hasn't yet built up an adequate base tan (such as the first day of the beach, or the back of his neck on the first few warm days in spring).


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My redheaded son tans quite nicely. I use zinc oxide ointment (sold as diaper rash cream) as sunscreen on him when he's going to be in the sun for a long time and hasn't yet built up an adequate base tan (such as the first day of the beach, or the back of his neck on the first few warm days in spring).


Well your son is an oddity. Most natural redheads don't tan, only burn..But then again most natural redheads are Irish/Celtic and not Jewish.  So who knew?  
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FYI....Jewish redheads

Red hair is fairly common amongst the Ashkenazi Jewish populations, possibly because of the influx of European DNA over a period of centuries, or in the original founding of their communities in Europe. Both Esau and David are described in the Bible as red-haired. In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait: during the Spanish Inquisition, all those with red hair were identified as Jewish.In Italy, red hair was associated with Italian Jews, and Judas was traditionally depicted as red-haired in Italian and Spanish art.Writers from Shakespeare to Dickens would identify Jewish characters by giving them red hair. The stereotype that red hair is Jewish remains in parts of Eastern Europe and Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair


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Back on topic.  Thought this was very interesting.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/255957.php


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FYI....Jewish redheads


Thank you for that info Chloe.
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Thank you for that info Chloe.


You're welcome and I honestly didn't know this much about Jewish redheads until I did some
research.  Live and learn.  


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FYI....Jewish redheads

Red hair is fairly common amongst the Ashkenazi Jewish populations, possibly because of the influx of European DNA over a period of centuries, or in the original founding of their communities in Europe. Both Esau and David are described in the Bible as red-haired. In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait: during the Spanish Inquisition, all those with red hair were identified as Jewish.In Italy, red hair was associated with Italian Jews, and Judas was traditionally depicted as red-haired in Italian and Spanish art.Writers from Shakespeare to Dickens would identify Jewish characters by giving them red hair. The stereotype that red hair is Jewish remains in parts of Eastern Europe and Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair



We have some Russian ancestry. That's likely where the red-headed genes came from.


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But you know, vitamin D from hair? That's not natural and my body knows it.


Actually, the vitamin D3 does not come from hair, it is from the wool wax, which coats the wool.  It is a similar texture to shea butter.  



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Actually, the vitamin D3 does not come from hair, it is from the wool wax, which coats the wool.  It is a similar texture to shea butter.  


eww. Whatever it is, my body doesn't recognize it as food.
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Good Lord.. we are only taking 2000 iu per day.  Should we up it to 5000 iu?
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It took me five years to get my Vitamin D level over 50.  I gradually increased the daily dose to 8000 I.U.'s to get it there.  I also switched to Bio D Mulsion Forte, a liquid.  Each drop has 2000 IU's. I seem to absorb it better than the kind in capsules.
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It took me five years to get my Vitamin D level over 50.  I gradually increased the daily dose to 8000 I.U.'s to get it there.  I also switched to Bio D Mulsion Forte, a liquid.  Each drop has 2000 IU's. I seem to absorb it better than the kind in capsules.


I was taking 2,000 a day and my level dropped...   I was confused? But I had switched from taking my D with dinner to breakfast because of Dr. Oz's recommendation and that didn't work. I went back to taking it with dinner. I also take magnesium and multi minerals with dinner so I think that really helps absorption.  It was at 40 then I dropped to 38.   I'm due for a check.  I'd be happy to have my levels in the 50's.   Dr. Oz said the D level should be at least 50.  I don't know what Dr. D thinks. He never said what he thought the levels should be, but he recommends 4,000 ius a day according to his bottle of D that NAP sells.
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I still wonder why all of the sudden regular MDs are so concerned with the low vitamin D levels. They don't seem to so concerned with other vitamins and mineral deficiencies.


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I still wonder why all of the sudden regular MDs are so concerned with the low vitamin D levels. They don't seem to so concerned with other vitamins and mineral deficiencies.


I think it is because drug companies figured out a way to produce a Vitamin D supplement that had to have a prescription, and, guess what? That is the one most doctors are prescribing! Grrrrr! The magic 50,000 == $$$$$$$$$ !! I'm beginning to wonder about the low numbers these labs are producing too............


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I think it is because drug companies figured out a way to produce a Vitamin D supplement that had to have a prescription, and, guess what? That is the one most doctors are prescribing! Grrrrr! The magic 50,000 == $$$$$$$$$ !! I'm beginning to wonder about the low numbers these labs are producing too............


I bet you are right! It is amazing power of $$$$$$$$$


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I got my Vit D results back today.My doctor said "Your Vit D levels rose and are now normal, although in the lower end." Yes, technically, 31 is higher than 28, but !

Last September, my levels of D2/D3 combined were at 28 after taking Superior Source D3 5000 IUs a day for a year. In September I switched to Dr. D's D supp and am taking 4000 IUs a day. My level rose 3 points in 4 months.

The doctor agreed to write a prescription for 50000 IUs of Vit D to be taken once a week for 8 weeks and then we will retest. Not sure what else to do at this point.


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The doctor agreed to write a prescription for 50000 IUs of Vit D to be taken once a week for 8 weeks and then we will retest. Not sure what else to do at this point.

Well, I wish you had these that my doctor prescribed for me if you plan to have the script filled. The tablets appeared very cheaply made with rough edges. I was very nauseated and felt terrible after I took one of them and decided that I would take Dr. D.'s instead. Soon I will be getting more sun.


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I get a lot of sun; that's not my problem...not sure what my problem is, though.


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I get a lot of sun; that's not my problem...not sure what my problem is, though.


Yes, I guessed that you got plenty of sun. This Vitamin D conundrum is something I never expected to be worried about! Whether my level is getting higher or not, I definitely feel better. I'm taking 35,000 IU's per week.


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The doctor agreed to write a prescription for 50000 IUs of Vit D to be taken once a week for 8 weeks and then we will retest. Not sure what else to do at this point.


I would recommend taking it (if not already) with the biggest meal..usually dinner and also taking magnesium and a multi mineral with it because it helps absorption.  

My levels dropped taking D in the morning! When I switched back to dinner they went back up. I have to get mine tested maybe this weekend..

You might need 10,000 ius not 4,000. Try taking 4 capsules a day for a couple of months. You just might need more than the average bear.
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I get a lot of sun; that's not my problem...not sure what my problem is, though.


Do you wear sunscreen?
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Well, I wish you had these that my doctor prescribed for me if you plan to have the script filled. The tablets appeared very cheaply made with rough edges..


My Rx for D was a small liquid gel cap. They didn't bother me at all and I'm sensitive.
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I had a bad headache (which I hardly ever, ever have) and was nauseated for five days after taking the first tablet. I DO NOT want to feel like I'm pregnant again at my age!


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Dr John Cannell surprised me by saying that it makes no difference when
you take D or if you take it with fat or not.

Does it matter how you take vitamin D?
Posted on November 8, 2011 by John Cannell, MD
I get many letters about vitamin D absorption. “Should I take it with food?” “It is a fat soluble vitamin, so shouldn’t I take it with fat?” “Should I take it with a meal?” “Is it absorbed if I take it on an empty stomach?”

The answer to these questions is generally that it does not matter. Vitamin D is passively absorbed in the lower part of the small intestine (the jejunum and ileum), at least in rats. Surprisingly, one study found that absorption with a very high fat diet decreased vitamin D absorption in rats by 30%.


To date, studies are conflicting of whether or not certain practices help absorb vitamin D better than others.

One human study of 25,000 IU as a single dose found that absorption was the same if scientists gave it with corn oil, whole milk, or fat free milk. Another study found that absorption of the powdered version was the same as vitamin D in oil. Another found vitamin D in oil was better than powdered but the difference between absorption rates was minuscule.

The latest addition to absorption studies came out of Tufts University in Boston. The authors, led by Dr. Sathit Niramitmahapanya, found that monounsaturated fats, like those found in beef and some oils, especially olive oil, was associated with better (that’s right better) absorption than vitamin D given with fish oils, but again the differences were not striking.

Niramitmahapanya S, Harris SS, Dawson-Hughes B. Type of dietary fat is associated with the 25-hydroxyvitamin d3 increment in response to vitamin d supplementation. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2011 Oct;96(10):3170-4.

The fact is that the studies are so conflicting, and the 25(OH)D measurement techniques are so variable, that it simply does not matter if you take vitamin D in oil or as a powder, it does not matter if you take food with your vitamin D, or on an empty stomach. What matter is that you take enough so that you obtain vitamin D levels of 50 -60 ng/ml. This means you are no longer suffering from substrate starvation (your vitamin D system has all the vitamin D it needs for all of its many uses and is beginning to store some vitamin D for the future).

Remember, if you have trouble getting your doctor to order the test, or if your insurance does not pay for it, or if your co-pays and deductibles are too high, or if your doctor keeps saying 600 IU/day is enough, or if he says levels of 30 ng/ml is fine, the Vitamin D Council has an in-home vitamin D testing service. You can measure your vitamin D levels at home via ZRT’s finger prick test that requires a little blood on a blotter paper. See our “Am I vitamin D deficient?” page to find out more about the in-home vitamin D test.


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