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BHealthy
Friday, December 14, 2012, 10:01pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Most of the protocols state how long they should be used for, typically between 4 and 8 weeks.

I can understand that if you have a cold, urinary tract infection, or some other bug to be vanquished but if your allergies or arthritis are due to the overactive immune system of the type O blood, is a 2-3 month regimen enough to change your basic nature?

Ditto for menopause symptoms.  Once the symptoms disappear, if you discontinue the supplement, won't they come back?

On the other hand, if you have to continue taking the supplement forever how is that any different than taking a prescription drug forever other than the fact that supplements are cheaper, have fewer side effects, and don't require a prescription?

Since my goal is always to eliminate the cause, not mask the symptom, I need to understand how the protocols accomplish this.

For instance, I was looking at the protocols for high blood pressure  and inflammation which seem to be a markers for Alzheimer's.  I currently take hibiscus and olive leaf tea for my blood pressure.  If I drink this every day my BP hovers between 120/75 and 128/82.  

I'm pretty sure that if I stop drinking this tea, my BP will go up, so the tea is very similar to a HBP drug. Will the cardiovascular protocol eliminate the need for the tea?  

Is 'controlling' my BP with food this way, on an ongoing basis, good enough or do I need to find a way to lower it permanently without supplementing and are the protocols the way to do this?

I feel like I'm not explaining my confusion very well, does anyone understand what I'm trying to say?


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I think they are designed to get you on the right road, whilst making other changes mainly on your diet and then kick starting your immune system or your normal bodily responses to act to correct the original problem.

If it turns out that you do have to take them long term it is very different from a prescription drugs, not least of all there are rarely side effects.

The protocols are just the basics by the way there is a lot of stuff that you should do that more experienced people practitioners, ND's and so on.



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The goal of the protocols is to heal the organs necessary for the specific function.  If one round of some of them don't fix it completely, you may have to do several rounds or utilize other parts of the protocol.  

None of us are capable of telling you absolutely what it will take to fix a problem, etc., but the protocols are Dr. D.'s proposed solution based on his education and experience in practice, as well as the literature.


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this anti inflammatory approach is in fact preventive to boot

doing the work consciously and responsibly is up to us


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I wonder if my expectations need to be reset.

For instance, regarding allergies. If I avoid all triggers -- dust, mold and cats -- I don't have them, but that's not feasible so I want to train my body not to react to them.  Will following the diet to the letter make my over-reactive immune system less reactive or must I also follow the allergy protocol?    

If I need to follow the protocol, do I follow it only when there are allergens present or will it eventually 'heal' my respiratory system to the point where it won't react as violently?

Most people only react seasonally to pollens so following the allergy protocol during the summer might work for them; but, my allergens are around everywhere all year long so I think I need to follow the protocol year round, too.  

I just ordered all the supplements thinking I would give it a shot but if there is nothing I can do to eliminate the allergies permanently, I'd like to know that beforehand.  If I can't eliminate them permanently I won't bother trying.

With respect to my blood pressure I suspect that if I follow the diet to the letter, including the exercise part, it will normalize without the hibiscus tea.  On the other hand, the tea is no different than the meat my blood type needs so why am I fretting over it?  

Is the damage wrought by high blood pressure the result of the high pressure itself or the result of the need to lower it whether you use tea or a prescription drug?  In other words, is the HBP indicative of other issues that might also be present, like inflamation or atherosclerosis, which the tea won't address, and if I didn't need the tea I wouldn't have these other issues either?

Should I do the cardiovascular protocol to eliminate the need for the tea or is that the wrong protocol for HBP?

The anti-inflamation issue is more complex.  Inflammation supposedly contributes to Alzheimer's but there isn't a test for that, is there?  If I don't have any symptoms how do I know when to stop the protocol?

I have seriously been thinking of going to naturopathy school; not to practice it (except on myself) but for the knowledge, if it will provide the answers to all these questions I have.      


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great idea!!
just do it!


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I think better to cope with the recommendation and then implementing rotation principle
btw. I take aminoacids since years and I'm fine with em....it depends of the amounts and your individual needs  
better to llok for the true causa of high bp instead going to solve with supps or meds ...
It would be a pitty only going for <ourself to such a school mentioned- and I guess
the more we bcome the better for the world !!! ......and then have an eye into
all given propositions of Dr'D's learning material... here you go for months until all is in your head and understood .... don't need to spend too much money....here lay all the replies for your questions...you only must press onto the button....


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Quoted from BHealthy
Will following the diet to the letter make my over-reactive immune system less reactive or must I also follow the allergy protocol?

The diet should reduce the over-reactivity, but it is possible that your body needs more help than diet alone can do.  It is possible that the protocol would very helpful, but I doubt that you MUST follow it.    

Quoted from BHealthy
If I need to follow the protocol, do I follow it only when there are allergens present or will it eventually 'heal' my respiratory system to the point where it won't react as violently?

I think the protocol would do the most good prior to exposure to the allergen...  I doubt you would have to follow the protocol constantly, though.

Quoted from BHealthy
I just ordered all the supplements thinking I would give it a shot but if there is nothing I can do to eliminate the allergies permanently,

Most of my allergies have reduced to nothing by following the diet, although I have taken some parts of the allergy protocol...

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With respect to my blood pressure I suspect that if I follow the diet to the letter, including the exercise part, it will normalize without the hibiscus tea.  On the other hand, the tea is no different than the meat my blood type needs so why am I fretting over it?

I use food for my medicine whenever possible.  I don't fret over it if I eat liver or beets, but both are really good for liver and gall bladder.  

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Is the damage wrought by high blood pressure the result of the high pressure itself or the result of the need to lower it whether you use tea or a prescription drug?  In other words, is the HBP indicative of other issues that might also be present, like inflamation or atherosclerosis, which the tea won't address, and if I didn't need the tea I wouldn't have these other issues either?

Should I do the cardiovascular protocol to eliminate the need for the tea or is that the wrong protocol for HBP?

I would assume there is a reason you have HBP, but I wouldn't presume to know why since I haven't the Dr. training or done any exam or testing...


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ABJoe, you're the best!  Thank you for your answers.


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I can only give my families experiences with the protocol, diet on allergies.  First our allergies, seem to be plant pollen and just dirt road dust.  

BD used the allergy protocol, after no over the counter meds or an ER visit helped. (infection had reached her ears)  She took one round of that protocol and followed her diet. (O diet, she now has swami) It's been a couple of years since she has needed to do the protocol. We all take quercetin everyday.  I compared my swami, food choices with the components given in the protocol, and sure enough my diamond foods where made up of these nutrients. Green tea is high in quercetin and is also a diamond.  If we have a very high pollen or very dusty season I might have to repeat the allergy protocol, but usually now my diet has all I need.  (after 3 years on BTd


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I compared my swami, food choices with the components given in the protocol, and sure enough my diamond foods where made up of these nutrients. Green tea is high in quercetin and is also a diamond.
What a good idea; and, a good explanation for why the diet alone may be enough.  Since no one can eat every food/diamond recommended by SWAMI, I guess the protocols would be more helpful for those people whose choices don't include the nutrients in the protocols.

Eureka moment!  Thank you!

  



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On the flip side- if a protocol isn't helping, when is it time to say "This isn't working- discontinue it"?


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Quoted from BHealthy
I just ordered all the supplements thinking I would give it a shot but if there is nothing I can do to eliminate the allergies permanently, I'd like to know that beforehand.  If I can't eliminate them permanently I won't bother trying.


We are all so individual that I suspect no-one would be able to tell you whether it will be possible to eliminate the allergy permanently - the only way to find out is to try.  I would suspect you will find significant improvement even if not complete elimination but it's definitely worth a try!



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