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Andrea AWsec
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I found this on the mercola.com site and pass it on in case you find it useful: 'Fermented foods are some of the best chelators available. The beneficial bacteria in these foods are very potent detoxifiers, capable of drawing out a wide range of toxins and heavy metals. According to Dr. McBride, the GAPS Nutritional Protocol restores your own detoxification system in about 90 percent of people, and the fermented/cultured foods are instrumental in this self-healing process.

    "The cell wall [of the bacteria] have chelators; molecules that grab hold of mercury, lead, aluminum, arsenate, and anything else toxic," Dr. McBride explains. "They hold them until they're removed through stool."

And you don't need to consume huge amounts either. Caroline recommends eating about a quarter to a half a cup of fermented vegetables, or cultured food such as raw yoghurt, per day. Kombucha, a fermented drink, is another great addition to your diet. The key is variety. The greater the variety of fermented and cultured foods you include in your diet, the better, as each food will inoculate your gut with a variety of different microorganisms.'
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Thank you so much Saskia - That is very helpful information !


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Again by chance, I have come across something I find interesting about detoxing from heavy metals, and everything else, and it's simple and cheap: charcoal.  But it's more effective (and cheaper) as powder, so don't buy capsules.  In the French article I read, it says it makes it easy to take if you put it in yoghurt.  There is plenty of stuff on the internet if you put in 'charcoal for heavy metals', for example, but if anybody would like it, I can send them the article in French.
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You need to be careful with any chelation protocol that you don't leach out the minerals your body needs along with the dangerous minerals you want removed.


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Re charcoal: the article states that many experiments were done to see if charcoal leeched nutrients from the body over the long term, and it was found that it didn't, and that urine pH remains constant. However, it can inhibit contraceptives or other remedies, so should take it, say, in the morning and the other things at midday.  Anyway, it doesn't act as a chelator, binding chemically, but has a physical action, to do with its porous structure trappipng the poisons - if I understand rightly.
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start making your cilantro pesto, periodically


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Thanks for the information Saskia; I'll bring it up with my ND and see what she knows about the charcoal; It does sound safe and useful in my particular situation.


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stephanie,
listen to Dr D talk about autophagy and trehalose

http://www.generativemedicine.org/3west.shtml

toward the end, he mentions how people trying to detox heavy metals and other have been greatly helped by using trehalose

listen often......if over your head, the more you listen the more it sticks


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Thanks Lola - I listened to this a while ago when it came out.

He mentions it a bit - I'll see if we can get the product stocked at the institute where my father works.

We've been considering adding trehalose to the mix of powders I'm already on -

micro silica; ascorbic acid; acetyl-carnitine etc.


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We've been considering adding trehalose to the mix of powders I'm already on - micro silica; ascorbic acid; acetyl-carnitine etc.

Quite often ascorbic acid is made from corn in the US...  It is good to check the source...


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On the other hand...one of my NAP supps has ascorbic acid as an ingredient (sorry, I'm not near the bottles at the moment)...


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Good point ABjoe; luckily I don't have a problem with corn; or many foods really.

I would take sodium ascorbate however it usually has sodium bicarbonate in it as the source of sodium; which I need to avoid due to low hydrochloric acid levels in the gut (from what I understand; sodium bicarbonate neutralises this acid)

I also avoid calcium ascorbate; as calcium (both dietary but especially supplementary) is contraindicated in my situation.


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micro silica; ascorbic acid; acetyl-carnitine etc.


why would you be on that one???
ascorbic acid is a corn derivative

if you believe it has Vit C content, try acerola cherry or better yet
get Dr D s proberry.....potent stuff!!


you need to balance your ecosystem and following your guidelines will help a lot in that regard low hydrochloric acid levels in the gut.....

where did you get a secretor test done?
can you give us the results of the phenotype test? was it the lewis antigen test, through blood or a saliva test from dpn?
or do you just suppose you are a secretor?


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Oh I'm definitely a secretor;
I've only ever had mercury related health problems; nothing else. I don't even get 'sick' (colds or the flu etc) !!!

I had the lewis (a-b+) test and also sent my salivary secretor test off to the states with Dr D's secretor test from the DPN store in NZ. Both came back indicating secretor. I do well on carbs, grains etc. Definitely not a nonnie !

I don't do well on fruit derived powders; or fruit/fruit juices etc.

I take explorer supplements, such as milk thistle; curcurmin; etc. and BTO supplements like bladderwrack

And cilantro tincture; when I have it (we order from Dietrich Klingheart)


From what I understand; Mercury acts as a proton pump inhibitor; and therefore; nothing gets digested. Some other heavy metals have the same effect; such as cadmium.

I've had swami and been on the BTD/GTD for years; with no real improvement; I guess because my diet was never really the issue in the first place....






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I don't do well on fruit derived powders; or fruit/fruit juices etc.


then avoid the ascorbic or citric acid content in anything you purchase


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then avoid the ascorbic or citric acid content in anything you purchase


Oh the problem with fruits for me personally is the high potassium/water content; relative to sodium .... It makes all fruit juices totally unsuitable as well; and it is impracticable to balance juices, fruit etc. out with salt. Potassium is also de-emphasised on my swami.


I'm unable to retain sodium; which means potassium rich foods must be avoided/limited; including in supplement form.


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Update:

I've just received my trehalose, mutaflor (e.coli strain) and larch arabinogalactan. I've started the Trehalose, and so far, so good. No reactions or anything abnormal.

Have doubled the SB PRO (saccharomyces boulardii) and will finish the bottle soon .... Haven't noticed any improvements so far.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions !


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