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stephanieelisej
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This is a long thread but I'm hoping there are some gut experts on this forum !

I've had mercury poisoning / toxicity for some 20 + years now. Unfortunately, my gut bacteria is suffering BIG time.

Basically, my Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium has been wiped out, along with a few others.

Anyway, from conferences / practitioners and friends in the naturopathic field, I've been given a few different products (~ $100 + ) in total - and just wondering if anyone has any experience with this issue. How are probiotics best taken ? Before meals, after, first thing in the morning ... ? Gut health is something that I haven't looked much into but I'm sure there are some experts here on the forms

Obviously I can't just throw them out and buy Polyflora O, - especially as these are practitioner dispensed products and quite expensive.

All of them contain at least 1 strain of bacteria that I'm either low in or have none detectable in my system. So of course, logic would say to take them and replace whats missing.

I've looked into POLYFLORA O for future use (once all these have been used up) however it contains Banana fruit powder, which I can see as being a potential problem, as anything banana related seems to really not agree with my sensitive explorer system....

Just incase you're wondering, theres no detectable pathogenic bacteria - just not much of anything in general.

I'm also getting Mutaflor (E.Coli Strain) from germany, which is about $200 worth, on the advice of my ND.

Any advice / thoughts would be much appreciated

Thanks !


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Take advantage of fermented foods as you are able.

You should benefit from the practitioner probiotics.
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Thanks Lloyd ! I like yogurt but not only is it an avoid; but it also generally doesn't agree with me (possibly the casein) - although I'd rather that then fermented vegetables.


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Have you been able to reduce the mercury poisoning?

If so, then using ghee, probiotics, Larch Arabinogalactin, and/or Intrinsa should help tremendously...

According to the Polyflora bottle, take them away from food.


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Thanks ABJoe I'm going to take the probiotics first thing in the morning from now on.

Well - its hard to measure mercury levels in specific organs; and Its not easy to get it out of specific ones either !
I'm using something to bind it in the gut and another product to cross the blood brain barrier which will hopefully clear it out of my hypothalamus . . . .

I might try the Larch Arabinogalactin - I've heard about it and once again read an article on the product as it was featured in the most recent D'adamo newsletter.

I'm going to look into intrinsia as well


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Thanks Lola Looking now !


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In your situation, I'd take the probiotics that were prescribed specifically for you. Dr D formulated the polyflora O to contain "the strains that most O's need but don't have." It doesn't contain strains that O's don't need, and it doesn't contain the strains that "most O's already have so don't need supplemented." The ones you've been prescribed are personalized just for you, not for your blood type in general. What do the practitioners recommend as far as taking with or without food?

Fermented vegetables are, overall, a better choice than fermented dairy for O's. However, the Genotype Diet gives some guidance as to which dairy products are OK for some O's. Type O's can either be Hunters, Gatherers, or Explorers. If you're going to eat fermented dairy, you're probably best off with quark cheese (beneficial for Gatherers, black dot for Explorers, but a complete avoid for Hunters) or at least strain off as much whey as possible from yogurt or kefir before consuming. Yogurt and kefir are "avoids" for all 3 genotypes. Fermented goat or sheep cheese is probably "less toxic" than fermented cow's milk, although all are still considered "best avoided."

Are you also treating the mercury toxicity, now that it's been diagnosed?  Make sure that the mercury treatments don't interfere with the probiotics- some herbs may prevent the probiotics from working properly when taken together.


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Thanks Ruthiegirl;

I have swami which says I can have whey protein, and a few types of cheeses + indian buffalo milk (not in this country!) but I try to avoid casein for the most part due to my high risk of breast cancer and also the negative effects of casein protein and detoxification of heavy metals.

The Polyflora O undoubtably has the right strains of probiotics but it is the prebiotics (banana fruit powder) which I can see as being potentially problematic for my gut.

I'm going to take the probiotics first up on an empty stomach in the morning before everything else (I'm on about 50 pills / powders/ sprays / tinctures every day)

I do really well with pure whey protein, however, its not fermented.

We're treating the mercury poisoning but after so long undiagnosed, unfortunately, its not easy to deal with. Competent toxicologists are hard to come by in this country. (Australia)

I wonder if my gut flora was better on whey protein, as it has immunomodulating effects (could be via gut? Hrmm, you've got me thinking now !!!! Thanks again !


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For the Lactobacillus rhamnosus portion of the Poly O you could get from another source such as:



http://www.culturelle.com/files/culturelle/pdf/Culturelle_supplement_facts_Digestive30.pdf


The prebiotic is chicory root inulin.

There are probably other options as well.
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Great idea Lloyd !

I'll look into it !


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probably not much of the banana left in the probiotic for O's call them and ask. Not sure I would spend $200 on some such from the ND, before I worked on the O probiotic and some live cell, and intrinsia.

Other thing is fecal transplant way cheaper--


Cilantro-- helps detoxify the body.  http://www.naturalnews.com/027434_cilantro_natural_detox.html


One of the ND's that attends the conferences is from Australia-- might want to find him, Lola might remember his name.


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Thanks Andrea, I admit I was sceptical about Mutaflor (they 'grow' the strain of E.Coli and then export it around the world) but If I want to see this ND its my 'job' as the patient to listen + try what she suggests; regardless of how I would treat myself.

She uses the BTD with her patients however, in my case, even SWAMI hasn't been of much success/use to me due to the extent of toxic damage caused to various organs, the hypothalamus etc.

I've been using a Cilantro tincture in an electrolyte solution and haven't seen or felt much improvement; unfortunately (because its expensive!!!!)

So far she has me on this:

http://www.biomedica.com.au/files//new_articles_to_ad_to_website/sbpro_article.pdf

& an adrenal rebuilder from Dr. Wilsons Adrenal fatigue products.


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I'm using something to bind it in the gut and another product to cross the blood brain barrier which will hopefully clear it out of my hypothalamus...

I used Modified Citrus Pectin to bind metal toxins out of the body prior to Dr. D. using it in Trehalose Complex in conjunction with the two sugars to stimulate cellular house-cleaning.

This is the MCP I used:  http://www.econeugenics.com

Dr. D.'s Trehalose Complex should be available from the Au distributor...  Here is the information about it:  http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP067


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For the Lactobacillus rhamnosus portion of the Poly O you could get from another source such as:



http://www.culturelle.com/files/culturelle/pdf/Culturelle_supplement_facts_Digestive30.pdf


The prebiotic is chicory root inulin.

There are probably other options as well.


Thanks, Lloyd. Does the Lactobacillus GG include rhamnosus?
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Thanks, Lloyd. Does the Lactobacillus GG include rhamnosus?


It is a specific strain of rhamnosus alone.

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It is a specific strain of rhamnosus alone.



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How are probiotics best taken ? Before meals, after, first thing in the morning ... ?


together with live cell, take one each, followed by a glass of water, first thing in the morning


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Thanks ABjoe, I'll definitely get some ! I couldn't access the link but MCP has lots of potential from what i've read on other websites. Great idea.


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this is all you need actually

Old man smell and Trehalose--

http://orgprepdaily.wordpress.com/category/lit-highlights/


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Very funny ! I shall pass this on to a few Dr's + ND's over here ! Thanks Lola !


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this is all you need actually

Old man smell and Trehalose--

http://orgprepdaily.wordpress.com/category/lit-highlights/


I take mine in lemon water. Perhaps in time I'll become my own room freshener.  
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One of the ND's that attends the conferences is from Australia-- might want to find him, Lola might remember his name.


I am interested in this bit of info ... where can I get more details/  





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naturopath in Footscray,Vic. Annette Maxwell,does supply the basics to her patients.
Info at Intelligent Nutrition          info at intelligentnutrition.net.au

Jason Mallia who is  Master of IfHI Sydney
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