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ElaineP
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I want to find a vegetarian source for Vitamin K2.  I haven't seen anything from North American Pharmacal that is specifically for K2.  The NOW lipo spray has xylitol made out of corn, which makes it a toxin for me.  Anybody know of a vegetarian source for me for K2? Is nattokinase also a toxin for me since natto is a toxin for gatherers?  
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Why a vegetarin source ?
Foods that contains K2
FOOD
VITAMIN K2     (MCG/100G)
Natto 1103.4     (0% MK-4)
Goose Liver Paste 369.0     (100% MK-4)
Hard Cheeses 76.3     (6% MK-4)
Soft Cheeses 56.5     (6.5% MK-4)
Egg Yolk (Netherlands) 32.1     (98% MK-4)
Goose Leg 31.0     (100% MK-4)
Curd Cheeses 24.8     (1.6% MK-4)
Egg Yolk (United States) 15.5     (100% MK-4)
Butter 15.0     (100% MK-4)
Chicken Liver 14.1     (100% MK-4)
Salami 9.0     (100% MK-4)
Chicken Breast 8.9     (100% MK-4)
Chicken Leg 8.5     (100% MK-4)
Ground Beef (Medium Fat) 8.1     (100% MK-4)
Bacon 5.6     (100% MK-4)
Calf Liver 5.0     (100% MK-4)
Sauerkraut 4.8     (8% MK-4)
Whole Milk 1.0     (100% MK-4)
2% Milk 0.5     (100% MK-4)
Salmon 0.5     (100% MK-4)
Mackerel 0.4     (100% MK-4)
Egg White 0.4     (100% MK-4)
Skim Milk 0.0     
Fat-Free Meats 0.0

Why not just eat real foods ?


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Thanks for the info.  I prefer to remain a vegetarian.  It looks like my best sources will be my Superfood cheeses of cottage, farmer's, and ricotta cheeses.  Also from eggs, although, of course, I'll be eating US eggs and not eggs from the Netherlands.  
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Thanks for the info.  I prefer to remain a vegetarian.  It looks like my best sources will be my Superfood cheeses of cottage, farmer's, and ricotta cheeses.  Also from eggs, although, of course, I'll be eating US eggs and not eggs from the Netherlands.  


Get freerange organic /patured  eggs and you´ll get a higher level of K2


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According to my vein doctor, broccoli has the highest K level because I couldn't eat it or very little of it when I had a DVT. (blood clot)
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According to my vein doctor, broccoli has the highest K level because I couldn't eat it or very little of it when I had a DVT. (blood clot)


That is K1 not K2


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Possibly some good news for vegetarian Gatherers:  Spirulina might be a good source of Vitamin K2.  I'm going to make some telephone calls and check this out.  
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As a group, Vitamin K allows blood to clot, protects bones from osteoporosis and prevents oxidative cellular damage. Vitamin K2, specifically, protects against osteoporosis, pathological calcification and cardiovascular blockages by depositing calcium in the bones and blood and preventing calcium from being deposited in the vessels which causes calcification, a risk for coronary artery disease.

Vitamins K1 vs. K2
Vitamin K1 allows the blood to clot and has anti-inflammatory effects. Vitamin K1 is also found in many foods. Vitamin K2, however, is less common in foods, but protects bone mass and is more suitable for protecting bones from osteoporosis

Fermented foods such as fermented soy beans, are excellent sources for vitamin K2. Natto, a by-product of fermented soy beans eaten in Japan, is the best source of vitamin K2.

Vegetables that are high in vitamin K, such as green peas, can also be a good source of vitamin K2. For example, green peas are a good source of vitamin K, some of which is converted into K2 by the body. Other excellent sources of vitamin K include spinach, Swiss chard, Brussels sprouts, broccoli, kale, asparagus, mustard greens, carrots and green beans. Similarly, some soy products contain a bacteria that can convert vitamin K1 into vitamin K2.






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Since green peas are a diamond superfood for Gatherers, I certainly am going to be looking for them my next time in the market.  Unfortunately both natto and soybeans are toxins for Gatherers. I've been buying RBC Spirulina; the telephone rep at RBC knew nothing about Vitamin K2 in their Spirulina.  Some good news from telephone rep Larry at NOW Foods:  their K2 source is a yeast derivative.  No soybeans, no natto in it.  Also, their MK7, although sourced from natto, has no natto or soybeans in it.  It is an isolate.  
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Elaine I think you should read this
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FOOD SOURCES
Although bacteria in the human gut can make vitamin K2, many people’s guts have been so trashed by multiple doses of antibiotics, bad food and physical and emotional stress, the conversion becomes difficult.  On the other hand, probiotics help re-establish healthy gut bacteria so may support the gut’s synthesis of K2.  10-15% of K1 from leafy green vegetables is converted into K2, but it appears humans can absorb no more than 200 mcg of K1 form all sources in a day, so we can’t count on meeting all our K2 needs from fresh green veggies.  Also, K1 itself is better absorbed when eaten along with dietary fat.  That basically leaves fermented foods (natto and sauerkraut) and pasture fed animal food sources (cheese, egg yolks, butter and liver) as sources of K2.

GETTING K2
Plenty of leafy green veggies eaten with olive oil or butter, a few ounces of cheese most days, lacto-fermented saurekraut as a condiment, a few eggs a week and you’re probably getting enough K2 — the roughly 37 micrograms a day suggested by the Rotterdam Heart Study.  Want a food based K2 insurance policy?  Add a couple of capsules of Blue Ice Fermented Cod Liver Oil with Butter Oil.  It’s the butter oil that has the K2, butter from cows fed on grass grown on deep, dark midwestern Prairie top soil. Or you can take the Butter Oil on its own.  You can also add some real live natto, but chances are slim your palate will put up with it.  Or you can take a supplement — natto or just K2 — but why not get what you need from food, with its multitude of accompanying synergistic co-nutrients?  Whatever the case, be sure to get your K2.    

I have no financial connection to any of the abovementioned companies.

http://americancountrymd.com/ignore-vitamin-k2-at-your-peril/


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Where should I buy the butter oil from?
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Well actually I wuld think eating ghee made from grassfed butter would be a good source

However You can buy butter oil from Green patures- however I like getting food more than supplements.
I just thought it was interesting that you can´t convert that much K1 to K2 so
I would go for some eggs from chickens from free range farms
Do You have any cheese in your plan? I would go for some quality oK cheese when you are vegetarian.


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