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Tried my first glass of grapefruit juice with 1 Tbsp trehalose & 1 Tbsp of Larch. Stir & drink.

Good stuff!
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I would treat quercetin the same as green tea for the purposes of keeping it away from trehalose. Quercetin, green tea, coffee all act in ways that are somewhat opposed to trehalose, antioxidants are going to prevent the destruction of cells and trehalose is the clean-up crew promoting autophagy.


I've been wondering about all the other antioxidants that those of us using supplements are taking, such as vitamins C and E, curcumin, selenium, ginger, carnosine -- just for starters.  There are a lot of antioxidants and to give Trehalose the best conditions for benefiting us, I don't know how much we need to avoid taking it around any of these.



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I've been wondering about all the other antioxidants that those of us using supplements are taking, such as vitamins C and E, curcumin, selenium, ginger, carnosine -- just for starters.  There are a lot of antioxidants and to give Trehalose the best conditions for benefiting us, I don't know how much we need to avoid taking it around any of these.

I've been wondering the same thing.....


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Sometimes I add it to ginger tea. Better switch back to grapefruit juice.


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I've been wondering about all the other antioxidants that those of us using supplements are taking, such as vitamins C and E, curcumin, selenium, ginger, carnosine -- just for starters.  There are a lot of antioxidants and to give Trehalose the best conditions for benefiting us, I don't know how much we need to avoid taking it around any of these.

I'm not sure that it is due to "antioxidant" effects that the caution is given.  In reading some articles related to autophagy, quercetin is affecting some of the same pathways as Trehalose.  It is possible that Dr. D. is shifting the input time to make sure there is not over-stimulation of this pathway...

Moreover, functional studies revealed that quercetin activated autophagy by modulation of Akt-mTOR signaling and hypoxia-induced factor 1α (HIF-1α) signaling.

More reading is required for me to get even a basic understanding of the pathway, but it is a start...


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I'm not sure that it is due to "antioxidant" effects that the caution is given.  In reading some articles related to autophagy, quercetin is affecting some of the same pathways as Trehalose.  It is possible that Dr. D. is shifting the input time to make sure there is not over-stimulation of this pathway...


More reading is required for me to get even a basic understanding of the pathway, but it is a start...


Oh good! Looking forward to you figuring it out for us.  
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I only have a really vague idea, we need a bio chem person to come explain it in layman's terms

I do know that trehalose is supposed to be helping to re-fold mis-folded proteins (guess this happens quit often) and this is what wikipedia has to say about antioxidants
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An antioxidant is a molecule capable of inhibiting the oxidation of other molecules. Oxidation is a chemical reaction that transfers electrons or hydrogen from a substance to an oxidizing agent. Oxidation reactions can produce free radicals. In turn, these radicals can start chain reactions. When the chain reaction occurs in a cell, it can cause damage or death to the cell. Antioxidants terminate these chain reactions by removing free radical intermediates, and inhibit other oxidation reactions. They do this by being oxidized themselves, so antioxidants are often reducing agents such as thiols, ascorbic acid, or polyphenols.[1]

I can somehow see a conflict of interest there if the two were in the same place at the same time.

This is probably way off, so go for it Joe, find us the truth!


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Yeah, it's a topic that we need some guidance on.    I know I take lots of antioxidants in many forms, as well as things like blueberries.

For the time being, I'm just taking Trehalose once a day, first thing in the morning, 1 Tb.  I don't know of another time of day when I would be sure of not having antioxidants in my stomach.



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I have had neuropathy - in my mind: nerve pain as a first warning- long before diabetes shows up- and I have kept it under control with my work with
http://www.ondamed.net/videos.html
BUT a week ago I had a spot on the bottom of my heel.. that was affected by walking on hard stone all day.. and it was painful for three days.. then I took TREHALOSE for 3 days and now the pain is gone.. and I have full feeling in the area.

I may have developed a spot of pain from eating avoids (expected issues with 1 apple a day and cinnamon for three weeks)  yet when I took the Trehalose complex, I could FEEL a band around my head on several days after taking it..

I wonder/hope if it will remove my near every day 6 hour headache????? I have not had one since 3 days.. but that happens every few weeks.. then it starts again.. but now I am looking towards no headache as a POSITIVE 'side effect' .
I will report on that............................   got a headache today so I will keep testing..


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I would treat quercetin the same as green tea for the purposes of keeping it away from trehalose. Quercetin, green tea, coffee all act in ways that are somewhat opposed to trehalose, antioxidants are going to prevent the destruction of cells and trehalose is the clean-up crew promoting autophagy.


Apples have loads of Quercetin.. would you therefore not eat apples??

Interestingly I take quercetin supplement from Dr D some time.. I wonder as I also wonder if apples and cinnamon makes me less 'craving' because of the quercetin?..

I did not eat on apple yesterday (first day after 3 weeks on 1 apple a day)and was long after dinner looking for way more food that I should not have had.. finally I took some Trehalose in pineapple and then I was good again..

Trehalose is interesting stuff..  

confusing info..

but trust Dr D..... I do..

Trehalose goes well with coffee and tea.------ as mentioned in
http://metamodern.com/2010/09/15/trehalose-autophagy-and-brain-repair-sweet/

so it gets complicated..

I think we need to invest in this product .. could be the next BIG thing..

does it have to cost so much? well it would not be APPRECIATED IF IT WERE CHEAP......
......I would like to use it like sugar.. by the boat load.. I wonder what would be bad about it in the sugar shaker.. is more good or bad..

very hopeful.. that my brain will function better,  but sorry I had a headache today again..so still no cure for that..to bad.. but I am hopeful long term.

Actually where does Trehalose come from? and is all the same? can it be home made?.. I like the sugar 'feel' of it.


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Goldie,

For the purposes of Trehalose interaction, Dr. D. recommends not having quercitin or green tea for at least 1/2 hour.  It doesn't mean that they can't be eaten at all...

It is interesting that Trehalose stopped your craving...  I wonder if it is the sugar in the apple that has stopped your craving - ie, you aren't getting enough carbohydrates in your diet without eating the apple.  Your body needs a certain amount of carbs to function properly, so maybe you have been shorting it because of the diabetes "label".


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well I am not certain about the apple thing (my avoid) with cinnamon neutral).. but I seem to have 99% less cravings.. for now still testing as it regards my diabetes.. for another week..  

I am curious to see what works..

But I had a headache today so the Trehalose has not PREVENTED that yet..  BUT I AM having interesting reactions in my Neuropathy in the legs.. the calf skin is reacting..  

the Trehalose complex is doing a great job 'replacing' sugar .. ia there a prohibition against taking more?  I need to put it in the salt shaker .. that way I can use it on many foods, (like sugar) but not overload..

I wish to get lemons as that is what Dr D suggests.  maybe the Trehalose will make them sweet enough to drink more of..  


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I AM having interesting reactions in my Neuropathy in the legs.. the calf skin is reacting..  

the Trehalose complex is doing a great job 'replacing' sugar .. ia there a prohibition against taking more?  I need to put it in the salt shaker .. that way I can use it on many foods, (like sugar) but not overload..

I wish to get lemons as that is what Dr D suggests.  maybe the Trehalose will make them sweet enough to drink more of..  

It is good that you are seeing benefits from the Trehalose.

I don't know how humid the air is where you are, but the Trehalose complex starts to stick together in the bottle when I just open it and close it right away.  I couldn't have it in a shaker or open bowl without it being one clump.

Dr. D. stated in a blog that he was drinking it in grapefruit juice, as this is a complimentary pair - ie, they help each other do better.


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yes to grapefruit .. love it.. now I can eat it even easier..

Thanks for the heads up about humidity.. I actually noticed that too.. but maybe I could put one of those little packets in to keep it going for a day.. it would be a nice way to have it handy..finally a SUGARY taste that is good for me..  


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Interesting thread on Trehalose!!  
Amazing stuff it appears.. I will order it today right away!

Yes, I agree, we could do with some guidance in how and when and after what to take Trehalose and for what (if not all ailments!) we can take it..

I would love to see this product implemented in the Health Protocols!!

I have a friend with a benign braintumor which ultimately will not need surgery for the time being.. She will come for some foodadvice.. I think Trehalose will help tremendously when with cancer???  Autophagy of cancerous cells with the aid of Trehalose!! Sounds great..

We could do with some advice..

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From what I have read and heard (mostly from Dr. D.), a person with more illness will create more mis-folded proteins.  Trehalose triggers autophagy, which is the clean-up of said mis-folded proteins.  Eliminating the mis-folded proteins from inside a cell makes the cell more healthy - less sluggish, less subject to illness.  As more cells get more healthy, illness will be driven out, so less mis-folded proteins will be made.  Ultimately, there will be a lower mis-folded protein load to clean-up as a maintenance task.

Here is a search that provides a lot of information to digest:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=autophagy%20cancer


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More questions..

is more better and when during the day? once or spli up?

for daibetes .. will it make a difference? HOW

Immune wise, will it show improvements? by what means.. ..

Brain .. any side effects?

to much expected for PML

herpes?

dry skin, rashes

exceme

astmah?

blue ankles?

lung issues, smoking?



    

  


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is more better and when during the day? once or spli up?

I think it best to follow the label directions, unless under some direction that says otherwise.  There is only so much cleaning a sick body can do, and there is only so much help a healthy body needs...

While I don't think more will hurt you, I don't see a need to waste money.

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for daibetes .. will it make a difference? HOW

This works at a cellular level, so any cells that need to clean house are helped.  Specifically, in the autophagy talk, Dr. D. talks about the clogged receptors using the tape in the ash tray analogy.  Autophagy helps to clean the receptors so they can accurately sense sugar / insulin levels again.

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Immune wise, will it show improvements? by what means.. ..

Brain .. any side effects?

Immune - receptors and nerve cells...
Brain - almost all nerve cells, so it is helped greatly.

dry skin, rashes - if everything else - digestion, brain, nerves, is working better, this has to get better...  I suppose it is just a priority thing.


    

  



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I consume more than recommended, it is a sweetener. I don't notice anything in particular. However I think my water might be poisoning me.
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However I think my water might be poisoning me.
Are you near any fracking DoS?

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No but it is like the last thing I can figure out that I don't consume or consume when I'm not living in my apartment, and start to feel better. I always feel better when I'm away from home... but I prefer to be where I live most the time over visiting people.
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DoS - can you get a good source of bottled water?
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I just got my Trelahose today!

How about mixing it in the Sip Right Tea as a sweetener?

To me the Type O Sip Right is bitter when warm or hot.
I am hoping to warm the tea and then add the Trelahose.

I'm sure it's ok but I just want to know for sure.

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