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fabulous!  The earth has just changed its axle.. sugar taste not sugar absorbed!!


Goldie, when are you getting a checkup? You have said, I think, but I can't remember when it was. You are our poster child for diabetics, so I am looking forward to seeing your results! I think it is probably hard for us to imagine how wonderful it is to have something sweet that is perfectly good for you without the worry - which you will undoubtedly confirm when you see your doctor!! I can't wait!!


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Spring I am sending a PM ..


Got it, Goldie. Thanks a lot! Sent you a reply!


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Your reply did not go through..

as for my blood test..  for sugar diabetes, I am near normal numbers.  I expect that in a few month I can lower my drugs to the lowest 1 pill a day.. and then after 6 month of that maybe eliminate it completely.. I was up to about 4 pills a day.. so big progress..

How I did that:  well I stick to 95% Swami Diamonds and or Beneficials.  In addition I have reduced my food intake to begin with.    I learned that I could do with less food and am trying to stay on less food intake.  Age would seem to say that this is doable for everyone who is doing less active work.  

I still 'cheat' 5% with foods that are less then the above.  I eat maybe more chocolate (90%) then others would, and I do have ice cream.  Here are the items for my left over indulging, for which I gave up all OTHER associated foods.  No sugar, No grains (other than the ice cream cone), No dairy (other than 1 scoop of icecream), rarely sugary/white foods (other than 90% chocolate), low glycemic fruits fresh papaya, pineapple) (banana in 1-3 frozen slices only), near no juices (other than grapefruit now for the TC), eating out with way fewer desserts now.. meat about 3-4 oz twice a day and a few vegetables (and seldom salad dressing). Add some nuts here and there and this is it.  

SO many changes, but the biggest one is in my head KNOWING now that I CAN DO THIS way of eating 1/3 of what I did while younger.   THAT mental connection was most important.

TO deal with that some more I am also studying how the brain influences the organs.. This for me was never new, but it was never so well 'connected'.. Fear based living is miserable.. clearing fears up is a good thing...  
http://learninggnm.com/home.html

As for TC I bought enough to use it for all my friends who come over for coffee.. I am taking it 1 Teaspoon for ENERGY.. in the AM..   and early afternoon.  I am expecting to get some kind of result in my legs neuropathy, and for sure hope for fewer headaches.. which are some sort of Polineuropathy..  I think my eye balls feel better like less pressure behind them?? I am looking for my joints to feel better/ cleaner.. but so far I am still not there.. its only been my second container, and I did not take it in one whole spoon, I took it in 1/4 spoon all day.. IT might matter how one takes it.. taking it late in the day keeps me alert, and maybe even keeps me awake.. ...nice staying awake til 10 pm.. (I can fall asleep any time, but staying asleep is difficult.)  

So, now you know all there is to know.. haha    


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Do you think I could add TC as sweetener into my chocolate (I get Lindt 99% and 90% now, melt them together, add some ghee and unsweetened cranberry juice, and sweeten with light molasses or agave) ??? That would be sweeeet


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Sounds delicious to me, Pixu! I do love chocolate and cranberries together! I have that nearly every day. I used to hate dark chocolate, but, now, the darker and less sweet it is the better!


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The big question is "What do we do about it?"

Whether fibromyalgia is caused  by a genetic mutation or something in the environment (or, more likely, a combination of the two, aka epigenetics) what we really need to know is what to do now.


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From Tom Martens: If epigenetics are causing said issues, then Trelahose should reset the phenotype to the original state.

This is so exciting I hope you two don't mind me quoting you on this thread!!


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Do you think I could add TC as sweetener into my chocolate (I get Lindt 99% and 90% now, melt them together, add some ghee and unsweetened cranberry juice, and sweeten with light molasses or agave) ???

One of the recommendations for Trehalose Complex is that it be taken away from quercetin.  Being unsure of the amount of cranberry in your chocolate and how critical the recommendation, I recommend against as -
Cranberries are one of the leading fruit sources of quercetin on a weight basis.


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Another thing, using Trehalose as a sweetener would cost less if bought as plain Trehalose instead of the Trehalose Complex. Lots of companies sell it. I put some of the Complex in pancakes, and they were very soft and tasty!  


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Your reply did not go through..

as for my blood test..  for sugar diabetes, I am near normal numbers.  I expect that in a few month I can lower my drugs to the lowest 1 pill a day.. and then after 6 month of that maybe eliminate it completely.. I was up to about 4 pills a day.. so big progress..
So, now you know all there is to know.. haha    


I sent another PM, Goldie, hope you get it. That is wonderful about your progress with eliminating some of your medication! I couldn't help but smile when I read your comment about ice cream! It would nearly kill me if I did that regularly, (or even once in a while), but I remember my grandmother only eating  ice cream for the last five years of her life, and she lived to be 95!! Of course, ice cream was a whole different food all those years ago! Even 'way back then, though, I remember how it used to make me ache.......


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OK, I finally read through this whole long thread!

Whoever quoted me last page- no problem. Anything I post on a public message board is public information.

Ribbit- where's my invitation to the salad party? hmmm?

I'm keeping close watch on Goldie's progress because we're both O nonnie Gatherers and our SWAMI food lists are similar. I've never had full-blown diabetes, but I'm prone to it (family history plus gestational diabetes) and I probably would be diabetic by now if I hadn't been on a low-sugar diet for the past decade.

I still have some questions about the trehalose complex itself. Is it safe for O nonnies? I see that some of the possible sources for it include mushrooms that are on my "avoid" list.

I'm just generally wary of any product that "tastes sweet but doesn't function like sugar in your body." I've heard that claim made for aspartame and sucralose, and those certainly aren't healthy products! If this isn't broken down by the digestive system, where exactly does it go and what does it do on the way?

Is this product safe for somebody who can't rule out possible Lyme's disease? What about somebody who might be mercury toxic and still has amalgam dental fillings? I'd hate to add in a supplement that might do me more harm than good.

Another factor is the cost. $25 a month means another few servings of red meat, which may do me more good than any supplement. I can see why somebody(was it TJ?) earlier in the thread was using the plain trehalose from Swanson's instead. If I can't afford the stuff from Dr D, would I be better off using cheaper trehalose or skipping it altogether? (If I don't decide not to use this supplement based on one of the answers to one of my above questions.)

I'm also wary of getting my hopes up again, that there's some other "magic bullet" that I can add to my routine and make me healthy. Cutting out wheat and dairy hasn't done that, 2 years on SWAMI hasn't done that yet, an Earthing pad on my bed hasn't done that- is healing really something that I can do?


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I still have some questions about the trehalose complex itself. Is it safe for O nonnies?

I'm certain that Dr. D. wouldn't sell it in the Right for all types section if it wasn't...

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I'm just generally wary of any product that "tastes sweet but doesn't function like sugar in your body." I've heard that claim made for aspartame and sucralose, and those certainly aren't healthy products! If this isn't broken down by the digestive system, where exactly does it go and what does it do on the way?

Trehalose, a disaccharide present in many non-mammalian species, protects cells against various environmental stresses. Whereas some of the protective effects may be explained by its chemical chaperone properties, its actions are largely unknown. Here we report a novel function of trehalose as an mTOR-independent autophagy activator. Trehalose-induced autophagy enhanced the clearance of autophagy substrates like mutant huntingtin and the A30P and A53T mutants of α-synuclein, associated with Huntington disease (HD) and Parkinson disease (PD), respectively. Furthermore, trehalose and mTOR inhibition by rapamycin together exerted an additive effect on the clearance of these aggregate-prone proteins because of increased autophagic activity. By inducing autophagy, we showed that trehalose also protects cells against subsequent pro-apoptotic insults via the mitochondrial pathway. The dual protective properties of trehalose (as an inducer of autophagy and chemical chaperone) and the combinatorial strategy with rapamycin may be relevant to the treatment of HD and related diseases, where the mutant proteins are autophagy substrates.

This is just one study report...  Dr. D. may know more about the specific workings, transit path, etc...

A compilation of articles about Trehalose and different benefits.  One caution - it says that the enzyme to metabolize Trehalose is in the small intestine.  Per Dr. D., there is only a very small amount of the enzyme Trehalase made in the human body, so very little Trehalose will be broken down into glucose...  Most of it remains in the bonded form to stimulate autophagy...
http://metamodern.com/2010/09/15/trehalose-autophagy-and-brain-repair-sweet/

Another article - talks about some toxicity testing, unfortunately, I can only get the abstract without $$...:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027869150200011X

Quoted from ruthiegirl
Is this product safe for somebody who can't rule out possible Lyme's disease? What about somebody who might be mercury toxic and still has amalgam dental fillings? I'd hate to add in a supplement that might do me more harm than good.

This product is designed to help heal nerves, so it should help someone with Lyme disease...  Also, the modified citrus pectin will help to attract any mercury, etc. that may be released by the autophagy...

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If I can't afford the stuff from Dr D, would I be better off using cheaper trehalose or skipping it altogether?

I can't help with purity of alternate sources...  I know the benefit of the MCP in the Dr. D.'s TC, but you can find it separately, as well.  I've also used D-Ribose individually and know of its benefit personally.  I know both the MCP and D-Ribose are more expensive than the Trehalose...

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I'm also wary of getting my hopes up again, that there's some other "magic bullet" that I can add to my routine and make me healthy. Cutting out wheat and dairy hasn't done that, 2 years on SWAMI hasn't done that yet, an Earthing pad on my bed hasn't done that- is healing really something that I can do?
I'm certain that you can heal.  I don't know what the answers are or how long it will take, but I am certain that as long as you are breathing, you have the potential to heal.



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Well, Ruthie, Dr. D. has never recommended any of those substances you mentioned!       It seems that you are put into the uncomfortable position of having to consume avoids on occasion that are slowing down your progress.* I would be a lot more worried about that than taking Trehalose Complex. I have gotten to the place that I have no interest in eating out anymore for the very reason that there is simply no way to avoid all the minefields out there. This is the person who once thoroughly enjoyed eating out and any celebration called for it!! Once I completely recover from the damage done to me by the months-long yogurt over-load binge, (avoid now as an Explorer) I will probably attempt eating out again. But right now, it is not worth eating a meal and suffering for days from the damage it does to me. I just feel that my body can't afford that right now.

*And not only that, you are under a terrific amount of stress trying to keep things together for your family. I remember how stressful those years were, but there were two of us handling the load. There were other stresses, though, that were very, very heavy during those years. Family sicknesses and deaths on both sides of the family were keeping us running all the time. I don't think I EVER felt well during those years.

I'm sorry you can't join in our enthusiasm about this wonderful supplement for now but, hopefully, someday you will!!  The best.......


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I'm certain that you can heal.  I don't know what the answers are or how long it will take, but I am certain that as long as you are breathing, you have the potential to heal.


You are certainly the voice of experience speaking, ABJoe!


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OK, I finally read through this whole long thread!

Ah, Ruthie, not nearly as long as many others!


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I'm certain that you can heal.  I don't know what the answers are or how long it will take, but I am certain that as long as you are breathing, you have the potential to heal.
Amen.



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One of the recommendations for Trehalose Complex is that it be taken away from quercetin.  Being unsure of the amount of cranberry in your chocolate and how critical the recommendation, I recommend against as - Quoted from http://jn.nutrition.org/content/137/1/186S.full
Cranberries are one of the leading fruit sources of quercetin on a weight basis.


THIS was a good posting.. Thanks.. I was just going to buy some ..



Ruthy Girl.. If it is Lyme then you are in a different category.. I fervently wish for you that it not to be so.. I wish that for you it is over worked, underpaid, and not enough appreciated.. Those are much easier to get fixed as time goes on.  

have you tested for Lyme?  If you suspect it then test again... BUT even if you had it, well that is different and getting well with Lyme is much different.

For Lyme, first off I would keep eating swami or at least BTD.. and I would add nightly enemas.. the reason or thinking behind that.. as the parasites either die off and or get old and are thrown off, I would want them out of me before going to sleep.  get rid of as many toxic things left over, or eggs and whatever.. low coffee enemas help to do that.  For them you would not need any equipment - just 30 minutes of time.. (these are different from high enemas, that are different ... ) Looking at the stool situation to see what is showing up would be more important, all sorts of stuff can and does for people with Lyme, green balls, and other colorful stuff is not unusual..

Lyme is different /// and yet for TC I wonder..  I found the real fruit citric acid more difficult LONG term.. but in just a little juice it is much easier to take.  I feel the scrub - in my mouth I can see it having cleared away all the white stuff on my tongue, and my teeth feel cleaner longer after brushing.. the fecal odors are better I think???? but I still have some issues with 'ease' of elimination.. not enough vegetables.. not enough oils.. The urine is more often clear instead of concentrated, but that might just be from the acid in the grapefruit that where so good this last month..  

Lyme requires a whole different regimen and eating as we do might become a thing of the past, as making JUICE becomes a must in order to have enough absorption of nourishment.  I do hope for you that you are going to be better some how, reduce your stress level mentally, and find other things to strengthen what bothers you..

Above I posted a thread to a new way of looking at illness, as a connection to the brain.. NO matter how hard it would be to read that (with a little learning about I think we all could do much to turn some illnesses around) Self healing has to start some place and doing it with our knowledge of brain connections it would become second nature.. ******

***** The chart needed to understand, is maybe more than some can afford, and yet it may save a life.. I am buying it and I understand many of those connections, and work with other healing means, so if anyone would like to have a platform where we could ask questions or get some answers .. *** I would be willing to help and communicate.  So, (anyone) look at some of the possibilities -- by looking at your pains- and then see if there is healing to be done .. from the inside of your own mind..

http://learninggnm.com/documents/chris-lowthert.html

learn from the free talk there.. long but worth listening..

ONE more thing people with Fibro should do is my lying down exercises..  

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Here is on exercise for EVERYONE .. for back and neck pain and for RELAXATION while doing GOOD for you!. Especially those who jog and push their body forward, thus creating a hunchback stance when getting older..

1) Choose a time when you can spend 20 minutes beginning to end.. take the phone with you or let it ring.. take eye shades with you or listen to TV .. just don't read a book as it would bend your neck.

2) THE IDEAL here would be IF you can do it without many books or just a skinny one under your head. But to start with, take as many books needed to be comfortable as that is most important -- this is not a one time CORRECTION.

3) If you can get on the floor (and get up again) lye on the floor and place your knees and feet in a square angle over the couch, scoot close to the couch to support your knees but not hanging from them........ If you are not able to get off the floor, then build a couch pillow tower on your bed.

4) Support your head comfortably. Eventually you will only need a one inch book/pillow.

5) Now lie down for 20 minutes with your arms comfortable.

6) After a while put your hands on the floor straight out and rotate one arm at a time (holding the shoulder with the other hand to feel the shoulder rotation.) Turn the hand 'out' slowly and 'in' again making sure that you move the shoulder cuff but NO STRESS.... Then shift to the other side and do the other arm and shoulder a few times. Essentially you will not feel any changes .. but the body knows what to do.. ALLOW it - to do it..

7) Now push ONE shoulder at a time into the floor comfortably.. for a few seconds.. feel the pull back across to the other side hip. Repeat a few times and relax then do the other side..

GENTLY is the key to this 20 minutes RELAXATION of your NECK and WHOLE spine/ adjusting ONE nerve at a time.. Until you lengthen the neck / spine to where you only need a one inch book/pillow.. The BODY will readjust it SELF.. Do this and you will save more money on chiros ..

Price 850 please send it to me.. Pretending I am the doctor on 5th Ave. .. A price well worth having paid for.. This is the true value of my sharing his instructions with you. Haha ...for more info pm me..
          


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THIS was a good posting.. Thanks.. I was just going to buy some ..

It doesn't mean that you shouldn't eat cranberries or drink the juice...  Just not within an hour of taking the Trehalose Complex...


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Maybe I could skip the juice and make just plain choc?


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Maybe I could skip the juice and make just plain choc?
At first, before I saw the instructions on the jar, I read in the thread "to add a little compliant juice", so what did I do? I added a little cranberry concentrate - my wall-to-wall-geno-harmonic juice!

Now what happens, before long "it turns out" something else I haven't been aware of, i.e. that cranberries are rich in quercetin, courtesy of ABJoe who came to the rescue! Well, from that moment on I've been using the remains of the last half lemon in my fridge, and tomorrow I'm going Please God to reinforce my stock in the nearby grocery.

I believe that TC has to be dissolved in some slightly acidic juice.





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Maybe I could skip the juice and make just plain choc?


Well, you can see that chocolate is indeed on the list but compared to Green Tea, it has a minimal amount. 100 grams of chocolate is a lot!! So I don't think you have anything to worry about.
ABJoe, can you straighten these columns out? They look perfect until I post them!!
Foods high in Quercetin
Quercetin Food            mg/100g          Quercetin Food            mg/100g
Green Tea Leaves, dried     255.55          Jalapeno Hot Peppers     5.07
Black Tea Leaves, dried     204.66          Coriander, raw          5.00
Capers                  180.77          Spinach, raw            4.86
Lovage Leaves           170.00          Chives                  4.77
Dillweed, fresh              55.15          Apples               4.42
Yellow Wax Hot Peppers      50.63             Watercress          4.00
Hartwort Leaves              29.30          Grapes               3.54
Ancho Peppers          27.60          Celery               3.50
Buckwheat          23.09          Broccoli, raw          3.21
Bee Pollen          20.95          Blueberries          3.11
Cocoa, powder          20.13          Bilberries          3.04
Onions, red, raw        19.93             Yellow Snap Beans     3.03
Green Hot Chili Peppers     16.80          Cherry Tomatoes      2.77
Cranberry Juice, raw     16.41          Green Snap Peas             2.73
Serrano Hot Peppers     15.98          Apricots          2.55
Scallions, raw          14.24          Grapes, black          2.54
Cranberries, raw     14.02          Iceberg Lettuce          2.47
Ligonberries          12.16          Gooseberries          2.00
Tarragon, fresh          10.00          Currants, white          1.95
Chokeberries, frozen       8.90          Tomato Juice          1.46
Kale, raw            7.71          Plums, raw          1.20
Rowanberries            7.40          Butterhead Lettuce     1.19
Black Currants, raw       5.69          Broccoli, cooked     1.06
Onions, white raw       5.19          Blackberries          1.03



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ah no problem I hardley eat any of them.. but a good list for this thread.. thanks.. I guess a little grapefruit or lemon/ lime juice will be ok.. twice a day..


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ah no problem I hardley eat any of them.. but a good list for this thread.. thanks.. I guess a little grapefruit or lemon/ lime juice will be ok.. twice a day..

Here is the easiest way for me to take it - I use a serving spoon and squeeze lemon or grapefruit juice until it is about half full. Then I add my Trehalose, stir it a little to blend and sip it right off the spoon. That is all the juice from either of them that I can tolerate twice a day.


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Well, you can see that chocolate is indeed on the list but compared to Green Tea, it has a minimal amount. 100 grams of chocolate is a lot!! So I don't think you have anything to worry about.
According to the table, a teaspoon of cocoa (3 g) would contain 0.6 mg quercetin (I have no idea what this means, a trace only?).

I don't drink choco, but often I nibble cocoa pulp coins.   I do.



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According to the table, a teaspoon of cocoa (3 g) would contain 0.6 mg quercetin (I have no idea what this means, a trace only?).

I don't drink choco, but often I nibble cocoa pulp coins.   I do.

Yeah, a TRACE!
Buckwheat is on there, too, but one pancake has about 2 mgs. of quercetin! To compare, my Quercetin caps have 400 mgs. each! I wonder sometimes if Dr. D. just shakes his head at how we parse and re-parse everything! Right down to the least particle - and then some!!


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Buckwheat is on there, too, but one pancake has about 2 grams of quercetin!

???  Do you mean 2 mg. quercetin? or 2 grams of buckwheat?


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