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Well, to "clump," it seems the lectin would have to be on the outside of the cell.

I agree...  As I said, I don't know whether Trehalose has the proper form to be a "sacrificial sugar".


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Goldie, have you tried a little Ashwagandha to help your body relax? I had taken some on several different occasions during the last few years, but it only made me horribly sleepy in the day time, and I couldn't sleep at night - which did everything BUT relax my body. I tried some the last couple of days just to see if anything had changed and didn't notice any daytime sleepiness at all, and I have been more relaxed. I can't help but wonder if taking it the same days as the Trehalose made all the difference. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised at anything!!


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In plants, the presence of trehalose is seen in sunflower seeds, moonwort, Selaginella plants,[8] and sea algae. ... It is prevalent in some mushrooms, such as shiitake (Lentinula edodes), maitake (Grifola fondosa), nameko (Pholiota nameko), and Judas's ear (Auricularia auricula-judae), which can contain 1% to 17% percent of trehalose in dry weight form (thus it is also referred to as mushroom sugar). Trehalose can also be found in such microorganisms as baker's yeast and wine yeast, ...


Here in Ireland I can only get Trehalose from corn (SWAMI avoid)
Soooo...is it better to take that or not take it at all??
And...even if I could get the mushroom one...shiitake is an avoid too, maiitake neutral, no listing for the others.

Help?

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Here in Ireland I can only get Trehalose from corn (SWAMI avoid)
Soooo...is it better to take that or not take it at all??

You may have to make that decision yourself...

It shouldn't matter where the Trehalose comes from, IF it is pure.  Unfortunately, it is hard to tell how pure it is without lab testing - which I don't know how to request and don't want to pay for...  So the only answer I know is to either do without or try some and see if you can see benefit or harm from it...


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An intimidating title, but the lecture is quite understandable by laypeople and gives some unique information on aging and neurodegenerative disease.
http://www.generativemedicine.org/3west.shtml

'MTOR Dependant and Independent Autophagy'


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Lola,
I like that talk as well, but it doesn't address Tom's assertion.


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Lola,
I like that talk as well, but it doesn't address Tom's assertion.


It would be an ideal attractant for whatever it attracts.

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Lectins are sugar-binding proteins that are highly specific for their sugar moieties.


We are used to looking for binding to specific antigens such as Fucose and Galactose.

I'm not sure what Trehalose attracts, or if it would include those attracted to glucose.
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hope this quote by Dr D can help clear up Tom s 'assertion':

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In my lecture on MTOR independent autophagy I made mention of the role of o-glycosylation as a relatively under-appreciated epigenetic factor, via both
histone alteration and proteosomal tagging for ubiquinination. Ubiquinination is considered an epigenetic function due to the fact that it is the major
pathway for the degradation of most transcription factors.

Here we see two major epigenetic functions that react directly to nutrient variation.

Like most GlcNAc conjugates, UDP-Glc-NAc reacts with a wide variety of dietary lectins, including WGA (wheat germ agglutinin) and a host of others.


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hope this quote by Dr D can help clear up Tom s 'assertion':
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Like most GlcNAc conjugates, UDP-Glc-NAc reacts with a wide variety of dietary lectins, including WGA (wheat germ agglutinin) and a host of others.




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Uridine diphosphate N-acetylglucosamine or UDP-GlcNAc is a nucleotide sugar and a coenzyme in metabolism
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As I drink green tea more than once daily, I'd appreciate if someone would tell me:

a) How long should I wait after drinking green tea before I take trehalose?

and

b) How long should I wait after taking trehalose before I drink green tea?

I may have missed this info along the threads. Thanks!


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Sounds very interesting.
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a) How long should I wait after drinking green tea before I take trehalose?

b) How long should I wait after taking trehalose before I drink green tea?

From this thread, (reply 44 of 81): http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-lr4yt/m-1328006355/s-all/
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I called DPN they did say 1/2 hour.



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Could TC (the complex Dr D's form) work to make things slide AWAY.. ? thus it can not adhere to what it otherwise would.. like my tongue.. why did the white go away?  was it absorbed or just slid away??  it's gone.. that is all I KNOW for sure from Trehalose Complex in 6 weeks Attn he most.

I would love to have a clear understanding IF Trehalose without the Complex.. as in plain trehalose sugar substitute...  would be a superior sugar to use any way??


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Could TC (the complex Dr D's form) work to make things slide AWAY.. ? thus it can not adhere to what it otherwise would.. like my tongue.. why did the white go away?  was it absorbed or just slid away??

It is hard to say what the white was specifically, so I can't answer that.
There are 3 active components in TC:
Trehalose - stimulates cells to clean house.
Ribose - provides cellular energy.
Modified Citrus Pectin (MCP) - combines with metals, etc. to carry them out of the body.
I propose that some combination of the above allowed greater cellular health on the tongue and whatever was there was either killed or detached from the now healthier cells and has moved further through the digestive tract or has been eliminated from the body.

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I would love to have a clear understanding IF Trehalose without the Complex.. as in plain trehalose sugar substitute...  would be a superior sugar to use any way??

I say "Yes", for these reasons.
  
Trehalose provides the sweet taste, but very little of it is broken down to be usable as glucose.

Trehalose stimulates autophagy (reuse of intracellular, improperly combined protein/sugar molecules) without requiring calorie restriction.  By stimulating autophagy, degenerative diseases are reduced as the cells function better.


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Could TC (the complex Dr D's form) work to make things slide AWAY.. ? thus it can not adhere to what it otherwise would.. like my tongue.. why did the white go away?  was it absorbed or just slid away??  it's gone.. that is all I KNOW for sure from Trehalose Complex in 6 weeks Attn he most.

I would love to have a clear understanding IF Trehalose without the Complex.. as in plain trehalose sugar substitute...  would be a superior sugar to use any way??


Goldie - There is a privately owned clinic in our city and the doctor is a medical doctor who is Chinese and practices both modalities as well as other alternative care. He sees many patients who are diabetic and his recommendation is D-Ribose as a sugar substitute for all of his patients wether they are diabetic or not. It's great in water and lemon juice. I don't crave sweets much so it's not something that I use a lot but I am considering making some type of raw nut clusters and using this for sweetener as my husband likes his treats a bit sweet. Also this doctor said that Ribose does not feed candida.

But, I will definitely be buy Dr. D's Trehalose for it's health benefits and use that as he recommends.
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Thank you so much ABJoe. Half an hour is a very short while... I am going to order it in my next order from right4EU.


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He sees many patients who are diabetic and his recommendation is D-Ribose as a sugar substitute for all of his patients wether they are diabetic or not.


Dr D's Trehalose Complex has D-Ribose in it and also Citrus Pectin..  Thanks twice confirmed now - and I am continuing with it.. great.  

I only take one teaspoon a day, so I am not concerned about my diabetes... I have reduced my bad numbers to near 'normal' so I am looking to get off all or most of my metformin.. I am doing the same with the outlook on cholesterol and triglycerides.. I am working toward TOTAL normalcy.. I am doing quite well ...

and..I am ordering some plain trehalose as sugar substitute for some over weight kids --  

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Trehalose provides the sweet taste, but very little of it is broken down to be usable as glucose.

Trehalose stimulates autophagy (reuse of intracellular, improperly combined protein/sugar molecules) without requiring calorie restriction.  By stimulating autophagy, degenerative diseases are reduced as the cells function better.


fabulous!  The earth has just changed its axle.. sugar taste not sugar absorbed!!





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JJR, I was thrilled to see your comments above about how sugar is the focus of events for children. I totally agree! It was a red flag to me before I began my SWAMI journey recently, but now it just makes me angry. I get so frustrated having to limit my kids constantly when we're at school events, church events, AWANAS (we do that too), driving through the bank ("no thank you, we don't want any suckers") & even our tailor has a giant bowl full of candy. I know 100% that it's worth it & my husband & I explain the reasons why to them in a kind, loving way. But, it's still frustrating. I'll end my rant now!

Now, to get back onto the topic of this thread, I've taken Trehalose Complex from NAP for 2 days now & I haven't seen any changes. I'll update this thread if & when I do. I think it's sweet, but not super sweet. I didn't want to add it to my grapefruit because I love it sour with pink salt. I've been drinking my Trehalose mixed into a small amount of Simply Grapefruit juice.




I allow my kids to have a treat 2x a week.  Something small, and of whatever junk they want.  It's funny though.  The discipline I use on them has rubbed off.  My daughter opted to not eat her treat this weekend, because she's fighting a cold and she has a ballet recital this week and she didn't want to get sicker.  They learn from our example.  I don't ever eat sweets other than a little bit of dark chocolate a few times a week, so they see my example.  PLUS, when they eat too much junk food, they feel it.  And they don't like it.  I'm not sure why it is God has shed light on the subject for us, but so many Christians seem to be in the dark about it.  I pray things will change, but I don't think they will.  So many are in my opinion, addicted.  But, so was I at one point.  So I'm not judging.  I don't even get all that mad about it any more.  But it does get irritating when the subject comes up all the time or someone acts like we're "fanatics" for not letting our kids indulge at every single meal, like they let their kids do.  To each his own.



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Nobody would go to something called a salad social.  

Think of what the invitation would look like:



BYOB: Bring Your Own Broccoli

You and your family are invited to a green social!  Lettuce provided.  Please bring toppings.  No store-bought dressings, please, out of respect for those who don't eat GMOs.  Vita Mixes provided as well for those of you who drink socially.


I never said it had to revolve around GOOD food.  But why does BAD food have to be the focus?  How about just "Socializing"?  Or Bible study?  We did a night where we played games at church.  They did have treats, but it wasn't the main reason or thing to do.  I was pleased about that.  I don't mind people indulging.  It's fun to.  But the problem is I see people indulging ALL THE TIME.  And then expecting us to do the same (not everyone does that, only some).  And I also see people probably putting more emphasis on these foods than probably should be.  

But you do make a good point.  On one hand, "Whatever gets the people to come" is probably a good thing.  But then where do you draw the line.  Beer, brats and Bible study?  Or, come smoke a joint and study Revelations with us?  It will enhance the experience tremendously.  Or, OK, let's just do, "Get a sugar buzz and watch the kids climb the walls while we try to visit and talk about God".  So maybe treats aren't as bad as alcohol and drugs, but I think there is a fine line that is being crossed.  Possibly.  I could be all wet too, and am just being anal because I can't eat treats without feeling lousy.  



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  The discipline I use on them has rubbed off.  My daughter opted to not eat her treat this weekend, because she's fighting a cold and she has a ballet recital this week and she didn't want to get sicker.  They learn from our example.  


I laughed when I read your post! When my oldest son was about four he was over at an elderly couple's home next door when he noticed that they had colds. They decided to have some ice cream to soothe their throats. He exclaimed in horror that they shouldn't be eating ice cream!! Of course, they were shocked and asked him why not. He let them know that he thought everyone knew that you didn't need to eat ice cream when you had a cold! We had no idea that he had become such a firm believer in avoiding sugar when you are sick!


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Yaeli, you can get TC from Karen Vago, in France
http://4groupessanguins.com/sh.....3D23%26aid%3D2180%26
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They don't seem to have it yet....  



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I allow my kids to have a treat 2x a week.  Something small, and of whatever junk they want.  It's funny though.  The discipline I use on them has rubbed off.  My daughter opted to not eat her treat this weekend, because she's fighting a cold and she has a ballet recital this week and she didn't want to get sicker.  They learn from our example.  I don't ever eat sweets other than a little bit of dark chocolate a few times a week, so they see my example.  PLUS, when they eat too much junk food, they feel it.  And they don't like it.  I'm not sure why it is God has shed light on the subject for us, but so many Christians seem to be in the dark about it.  I pray things will change, but I don't think they will.  So many are in my opinion, addicted.  But, so was I at one point.  So I'm not judging.  I don't even get all that mad about it any more.  But it does get irritating when the subject comes up all the time or someone acts like we're "fanatics" for not letting our kids indulge at every single meal, like they let their kids do.  To each his own.



JJR, I agree completely with your above comments. Additionally, I've found that if I slow down & take time to explain (sometimes re-explain) the reasons behind our limiting treats, then my kids "get it." My oldest turned down a treat this past weekend because her throat was sore. This mama is PROUD!  

Trehalose update: After 4 days of use, I still haven't seen any changes. Again, I'll update if/when I do.



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Trehalose update: After 4 days of use, I still haven't seen any changes. Again, I'll update if/when I do.


Hopeful, I was shocked this AM when I saw that my legs were not chapped anymore from this dry, windy weather we are having!! I had not used anything at all on them. I am telling all my friends about this wonderful stuff. I read where one man was putting it in his liquid shower soap and raving about what it was doing for his skin. He had put it in his blender to make something similar to powdered sugar. He said it left no sugary residue on his skin at all. Of course, we already know that they have been putting it in commercial skin products. No telling what they have been charging for it either!


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Hopeful, I was shocked this AM when I saw that my legs were not chapped anymore from this dry, windy weather we are having!! I had not used anything at all on them. I am telling all my friends about this wonderful stuff. I read where one man was putting it in his liquid shower soap and raving about what it was doing for his skin. He had put it in his blender to make something similar to powdered sugar. He said it left no sugary residue on his skin at all. Of course, we already know that they have been putting it in commercial skin products. No telling what they have been charging for it either!


Spring, I am thrilled with the amazing results that you've been getting from Trehalose!  

It just dawned on me that I quit drinking black tea full of avoids about the same time that I started Trehalose. So, I could possibly be seeing some results from both mixed together. I guess only time will tell.  


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