Thought it was worth starting a new thread on this with what I have been reading...
I will include C_sharp's observations...

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My issues were with magnesium aspartate and not other forms of magnesium.

So I actually assumed that the problem was not with the magnesium but with aspartate and orotate (a conversion product of aspartate).

But since the argument was being made that magnesium absorption was higher for the same dose in the asportate form because of increased absorption, then the problems could be from magnesium instead of aspartate. Since magnesium lowers blood pressure and affects the heart perhaps it could produce symptoms that mimicked a blood clot on the side of the face.

Side effects of aspartate seem to be not not as agreed upon as the magnesium, but I noted the following suggestions on various Web sites:

Numbness or Tingling of Extremities
Swallowing Pain
Flushing of face
Slurring of Speech
Muscle spasms
Asthmatic Reactions
Bloating/Edema
Blood Sugar Problems
Breathing difficulties
Confusion
Fatigue
Feeling unreal
Hearing Loss
Heart palpitations
Seizures and Convulsions

That's scarey - I also went researching aspartate &  I came up with the fact that it is a component of aspartame (as aspartic acid) & if artificially produced can be damaging to the brain, because when taken out of the essential amino acid complexes found only in nature...they create an imbalance...  

Seems to be used in the form of L-aspartic acid...Said to boosts testosterone but a side effect can be the same as having too much protein in the diet...can cause kidney problems by increasing levels of uric acid... Any thoughts on the connections?

One of my main reasons for asking is because lately I have developed both a sore lower back (kidney area?) & also a Heberden's node on first finger joint of my right hand... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heberden%27s_node (something I have never had before)
Only things I have done differently of late was start a bottle of magnesium aspartate (as well as ate quite a lot of split peas (for their high molydenum level) Both can cause gout like symptoms...Have now added celery capsules, as well as eating lots of celery to combat the effects...

Thanks Lola I had already been wading my way through all the posts on magnesium... Can only find negative thoughts on mag oxide, (citing it as less absorbable) except  one comment however, that suggests it "neutralizes sulfur oxide acids", which could be very good for anyone like me that suffers from reactions to too much sulphur??!! I also cannot take/use magnesium sulphate (epsom salts) since they are a sulphur form

This must be a second thread.. so it is lost to me to KNOW why you are taking the stuff????

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One of my main reasons for asking is because lately I have developed both a sore lower back (kidney area?) & also a Heberden's node on first finger joint of my right hand...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heberden%27s_node (something I have never had before)

so would you not instead follow the arthritis book diet instead?

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Only things I have done differently of late was start a bottle of magnesium aspartate (as well as ate quite a lot of split peas (for their high molydenum level) Both can cause gout like symptoms...Have now added celery capsules, as well as eating lots of celery to combat the effects...

Peas was a neutral I try to leave off, as they are so starchy.  maybe in the form of snowpeas they would be more balanced.  But that is for me.. even though today peas are a super food for diabetes, I am staying away from them, it is easy to eat way to many - as with all starchy foods-they provide no limits..

Gout is a big issue, as it may be the underlying issue to begin with, which in turn comes from some thing eaten - bad for you- or some things not able to be digested and disregarded within you..

Not knowing more :  what exactly are you eating?   that causes the malabsorbtion of  your O diet foods?  how long is the absorption going on? what did you in-take before.. how are you testing to have to much sulpher?   (Possum, sorry to start from scratch - care to add the old link so I can connect? )  

I use transdermal magnesium. I don't need to worry about reacting to weird additives in the supplements because I'm not eating it, nor do I need to worry about taking too much mag, increasing gut transit time, and it interfering with the absorption of other nutrients.

Here's what I use:

http://www.swansonvitamins.com.....p;n=0&ntk=Level1

Quoted from ruthiegirl

I use transdermal magnesium. I don't need to worry about reacting to weird additives in the supplements because I'm not eating it, nor do I need to worry about taking too much mag, increasing gut transit time, and it interfering with the absorption of other nutrients.

Here's what I use:

http://www.swansonvitamins.com.....p;n=0&ntk=Level1

Ditto....This is what I use too....No side effects

Cheers Ruthe & Cloe - Must get some of that...
& Goldie & btw I don't have arthritis, nor do I have access to the book...& I am taking magnesium for up to 300 reasons
The other thread? It was on citric acid & I didn't want to hijack it any more than it had been already

heberdine nodes is arthritic changes..

Goldie - Yes I know that heberdine nodes are arthritic changes...
What I meant by saying that I don't have arthritis, was that I hadn't been aware of having it to date...& I am only assuming that's what this is on my finger Could be a callous, as I did do more housework recently I am pretty sure it is  not just fluid (as in a ganglion cyst,) under the skin...
Seeing as it had only just appeared/developed I was wondering re connecting it to some change I had made which could have been either the magnesium aspartate or the over indulgence of split peas... Both of which are known to cause/create gout like symptoms?!

I used to use mag oil too, but since I seem to be OK with sulphate I now dissolve Epsom Salts [mag sulphate] in water and use that on my skin night and morning - very cheap  

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I used to use mag oil too, but since I seem to be OK with sulphate I now dissolve Epsom Salts [mag sulphate] in water and use that on my skin night and morning - very cheap  

The only problem with 'very cheap' is 'very full of toxic heavy metals' like lead.  I use Ancient Minerals mag oil . I really only noticed that it helps me sleep a little better.. except last night... .   I called Swanson and asked them to prove that there was no toxic heavy metals in their mag oil and they wouldn't. Ancient Minerals sent me a lab report of theirs. So Chloe and I were debating on who's is better and she said she found that there's heavy metals in all of them. I disagree. I still think Ancient Minerals is superior.    Cheaper is not always 'better'

if I remember it well, aspartat-orotat-citrat= are all one of the favest organic and of best biovailability products we can use for orthomolecular supplements... I never saw any correlations to aspartam....

another hoax to make us belief that we're ....of evils' work