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Joyce
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Does anyone else have a problem with citric acid and or citrates?
I'm 99% certain it/they trigger aura migraine for me.
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I think my problems with it are not from citric acid, but because most types of citric acid are corn derived.


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I avoid anything containing citric acid because most sources are made from corn. It can be made from other sources, but if they don't specify, I assume it's corn and avoid it. I don't know how I react to corn or corn derivatives, and I really don't want to find out!  Corn is super-toxic for Os, but since it's neutral for A secretors, it may not be quite as terrible for you personally. Or, you may have a problem specifically with citric acid, even if you tolerate other forms of corn.


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Most citric acid is produced from corn, manufacturers do not always take out the protein which can be hydrolysed and create MSG (621) causing reactions in MSG-sensitive people.
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I can't have citric acid, and corn doesn't explain it for me because I get the exact same reaction from lemon/lime


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Possum, I didn't know that about the relationship of MSG and citric acid - I do avoid MSG as don't react well to that either.... but usually with afib or diarrhoea - could be a very valid point, thankyou.

I've been avoiding lemon and lime but perhaps I shouldn't.
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Citric acid is a acidity regulator also, Emily can't be near the stuff. whether corn or another reason.


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Joyce I have problems with lemon too; not so sure about lime though
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Do those of you who react to citric acid also have a problem with supplements containing a mineral+citrate also?  I used to take magnesium citrate which does make a nice refreshing drink, but have changed to mag ascorbate instead....... but my main anti-afib one is mag glycinate.
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I'm not sure I have a reaction as such to (magnesium) citrate but I sure absorb more of an alternative form...(aspartate) Although funnily enough, the label on the citrate one, says highly absorbable

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That was quick, Possum - I should have realised you are at the other end of the day to me  
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I'm not sure I have a reaction as such to (magnesium) citrate but I sure absorb more of an alternative form...(aspartate)



I had to stop taking magnesium aspartate this summer since it made the left side of my face tingle/go numb.  This may have been a problem of too much absorption.

I can usually use products with magnesium citrate in them, even though I do poorly with citric acid.  If taking magnesium by itself I generally choose something other than magnesium citrate.





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Do those of you who react to citric acid also have a problem with supplements containing a mineral+citrate also?  I used to take magnesium citrate which does make a nice refreshing drink, but have changed to mag ascorbate instead....... but my main anti-afib one is mag glycinate.


I'm glad you're bringing up this subject.  From what I keep reading on the web, magnesium citrate can come from corn or beets. Or maybe there is a citrus source.. I've written customer service at DPN three times asking the source of their magnesium citrate and have gotten no answer.  I wrote again this morning after an inquiry two weeks ago and one before that, early summer. Magnesium citrate is in almost all of the DPN supplements and I take a lot of those
products.  Just don't know the source of the mag citrate. Only solitary magnesium citrate I've found that says "no corn" on the label is the NOW brand.  My joints hurt from corn. I am dismayed that customer service does not answer my inquiries.

Edited to add:  I just got an email back from DPN....Gwen said that product manager is going to contact the
labs for information regarding the source of their magnesium citrate and she will get back to me.  When
I know more, I will share here.


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I had to stop taking magnesium aspartate this summer since it made the left side of my face tingle/go numb.  This may have been a problem of too much absorption.

I can usually use products with magnesium citrate in them, even though I do poorly with citric acid.  If taking magnesium by itself I generally choose something other than magnesium citrate.
I know you know heaps more than I do... but I thought the major problem with absorbing too much magnesium was loose BM's?

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Edited to add:  I just got an email back from DPN....Gwen said that product manager is going to contact the labs for information regarding the source of their magnesium citrate and she will get back to me.  When I know more, I will share here.
Glad they got back to you; at least with a preliminary response

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Quoted from Possum
but I thought the major problem with absorbing too much magnesium was loose BM's?



That is one common symptom of excess magnesium.

But excess magnesium also causes these digestive issues:

stomach upset
nausea
vomiting

Large doses also can result in:

irregular heartbeat and other heart issues
low blood pressure
confusion
slowed breathing
coma
Kidney problems


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My issues were with magnesium aspartate and not other forms of magnesium.

So I actually assumed that the problem was not with the magnesium but with aspartate and orotate (a conversion product of aspartate).

But since the argument was being made that magnesium absorption was higher for the same dose in the asportate form because of increased absorption, then the problems could be from magnesium instead of aspartate. Since magnesium lowers blood pressure and affects the heart perhaps it could produce symptoms that mimicked a blood clot on the side of the face.

Side effects of aspartate seem to be not not as agreed upon as the magnesium, but I noted the following suggestions on various Web sites:

Numbness or Tingling of Extremities
Swallowing Pain
Flushing of face
Slurring of Speech
Muscle spasms
Asthmatic Reactions
Bloating/Edema
Blood Sugar Problems
Breathing difficulties
Confusion
Fatigue
Feeling unreal
Hearing Loss
Heart palpitations
Seizures and Convulsions


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Ok, so this was a true awakening for me. I just checked my hummus, and no canola oil, however, it had citric acid in there. Never would I think of connecting this with corn, you guys are so wise.

Another avoid for me, I believe, it is corn derived and I am an o, that is not good for me.

Thank you for this information.
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I just checked the data base and the vanillin and vanilla are avoids for me and I wonder if it is because of the corn issue. I have 1oo% organic, whole vanilla bean powder. This is making me reconsider the vanilla issue.
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Thanks! Just printed it out and will keep with me.

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Got my answer from DPN.  I'm disappointed.  It's corn derived....and it makes no difference to me
that it's non-gmo because it's still corn......Corn is a black dot for me and I'm getting it many times during the day --every day!  


Below is the response from the labs.

The magnesium citrate is made in the USA. The citrate component to this
complex is made from non-gmo corn. The company we purchase from did not
state which country; however, they did assure me that they always source
non-gmo citric acid.


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Are NAP and DPN the same company? If so, that means that the mag citrate in the NAP formulas have corn in them? Corn is a total avoid for me. If this is the case, I am assuming that Dr. D. is aware of all of the ingredients, does the fact that it is non GMO overide it as an avoid. Perhaps the corn testes for SWAMIE was GMO corn? I hope someone with the answer replies to this. Thanks.
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Which DPN supplements contain corn-derived citrate?

I certainly hope that Dr D has the formulas changed now that this has been brought to his attention (or, it will be brought to his attention as a result of this thread if it hasn't been yet.)


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Are NAP and DPN the same company?


Yes

North American Pharmcal is an older name. It is still used in some cases.

D'Adamo Personalized Nutrition is a more recent name.


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does the fact that it is non GMO overide it as an avoid.


No.

The fact that it has been chemically extracted and gone through processing, may mean the substances in corn that are a problem have been removed.

It also may not be a problem if the amount of citrate is fairly small.

I am fairly sensitive to corn. And avoid products that have citric acid added to them (say canned artichoke hearts) because I have experienced negative reactions.

I have taken DNP products with magnesium citrate (Phytocal A, Exakta, GenoType Multimineral) and I have not noted problems that I thought were related to magnesium citrate.

Magnesium citrate is also in Phytocal O, but I have not taken this.



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Which DPN supplements contain corn-derived citrate?

I certainly hope that Dr D has the formulas changed now that this has been brought to his attention (or, it will be brought to his attention as a result of this thread if it hasn't been yet.)


Anything that says magnesium citrate is corn derived.....which is usually listed with additional ingredients.
Read your bottles.

Nope, nothing mentioned in my response that says anything about changing the source.


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I am fairly sensitive to corn. And avoid products that have citric acid added to them (say canned artichoke hearts) because I have experienced negative reactions.

I have taken DNP products with magnesium citrate (Phytocal A, Exakta, GenoType Multimineral) and I have not noted problems that I thought were related to magnesium citrate.

Magnesium citrate is also in Phytocal O, but I have not taken this.



I am definitely walking around with achy joints due to the corn derived magnesium citrate. I take
Exakta, Geno Multi mineral and Phytocal A plus others that contain mag. citrate.  I'm ready to give up all DPN supplements if they don't see that corn is a problem ingredient.  What's the
point of having a SWAMI with a list of toxins if toxins are going to be included in supplements.
I'm rather disappointed to find out DPN magnesium citrate is corn derived.  I honestly expected to learn it came from beets or at the very least, some form most people would tolerate.  


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I'm sick and my brain is not working in full tilt! I finally had the bright idea to look at all of our bottles from NAP, mine say NAP and not DPN and the disclaimer says :

"This products contains no sugar, salt, gluten, wheat, corn, soy, eggs or dairy, no preservatives, color or flavors, and no artificial ingredients."

If this is the case, the magnesium citrate must not be corn derived. So what to think? Hopefully the company who manufactures these products are not doing something that is not ethical, they may be looking at an old spec sheet which has corn derived mag citrate and they now use beet or another source!?!
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I'm pretty sure that Dr D knows exactly what is in his supps, So i continue to use them.

he knows what he is doing.


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A quick phone call to DPN should clear this up!


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I'm posting this again for anyone who doesn't understand.  I emailed DPN two days ago....and asked them the source of their magnesium citrate used in the DPN formulas.  I wrote to Gwen.  She initially told me she was going to contact the lab.....Today she wrote me their reply.  And I'm repeating this again...The magnesium citrate in these formulas is corn.....If you don't tolerate corn, you might want to take note.


This is what Gwen wrote me:
Below is the response from the labs.

The magnesium citrate is made in the USA. The citrate component to this
complex is made from non-gmo corn. The company we purchase from did not
state which country; however, they did assure me that they always source
non-gmo citric acid.


I went through many of the DPN products.  These contain magnesium citrate and comes under a listing of
"other ingredients".

I looked up supplements for type A....but I'm quite sure the BTD formulas for other blood types contain
the same "other ingredients">

Polyvite  
Phytocal A
Polyflora A
Intrinsa
Tranquility base
Connectivar
Fucus plus
Methyl 12 Plus
Hepatiguard
Redoxa
Hytrax
Detoxical
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Cortiguard
Nitricycle
Genoma Cardia
Fem Balance
Histonia
Attentia
Phyto D 2000
Bromelain
Genoma Security
Rekon Pro
Genoma Derma
Ocubright

These supplements do NOT contain magnesium citrate.
Deflect
Live Cell
protein formulas
CLA formula
Harmonia
Proberry caps


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Does anyone else have a problem with citric acid and or citrates?


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I'm pretty sure that Dr D knows exactly what is in his supps, So i continue to use them.

he knows what he is doing.


Do you have problems with corn?  If you don't, no problem.




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I'm posting this again for anyone who doesn't understand.  


I admit that I didn't read the entire thread...



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I went through many of the DPN products.  These contain magnesium citrate and comes under a listing of "other ingredients".


I think that this became the case when DPN switched to stearate free packaging.

Most of the products I have not used since that transition was made.  Since these products do not list any magnesium dose, I presumed the amount of magnesium citrate in them is quite small.

Most of the DNP products, I have not retested on myself since the reformulation

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I finally had the bright idea to look at all of our bottles from NAP, mine say NAP and not DPN


If the bottles say NAP they probably have an older formulation. Magnesium citrate was not added as an ingredient to help with flow in machinery and packaging of the ingredients into capsules in the past.  The switch was about a year ago.

I presume the disclaimer on the bottles was correct at that time.


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C_Sharp : I don't know how to do the quote thing. Anyhow...even though the bottles say NAP, there are some that have the magnesium citrate added, but there is also the disclaimer that it does not contain....gluten, soy, corn etc...

So who/what to believe? If Gwen called their source and they say it's corn derived makes you wonder doesn't it. Makes me tend to believe that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing! Let's hope that Dr. D'Adamo will answer us as I believe he'll know for sure what's going on. Otherwise, it would be a shame to have these wonderful formulations and people opted to not use them. I am very familiar with professional supplements and his formulations are very good.
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I think that this became the case when DPN switched to stearate free packaging.

Magnesium citrate was not added as an ingredient to help with flow in machinery and packaging of the ingredients into capsules in the past.  The switch was about a year ago.
now I am confused - isn't it magnesium stearate (not magnesium citrate) that is the product most companies use to clean their machines?
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now I am confused - isn't it magnesium stearate (not magnesium citrate) that is the product most companies use to clean their machines?


Yes. But magnesium stearate received bad press and DNP decided to remove it.

But something had to be used to do the same thing that the stearate did.  DNP needed to get the desired ingredients into the capsules with out heating them up to the point that it would destroy the nutrients. Also some formulations need some filler material.  

So when the stearate was pulled out of the pills, it was replaced with several ingredients so the pills could still be packaged. I think DNP currently uses a mixture for packing purposes. That mixture includes vegetable cellulose, magnesium citrate, L-Leucine, and Silica.  Something needs to be used. I do not know why these particular substances were selected, but I presume it was because they would work and would be well tolerated by most people.


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Aaah I see... Thanks for explaining that  
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But, DPN left "no corn" on the labels...which is now not accurate.  I have written to DPN to point that
out.  If there is corn in a formula, it cannot be labeled that it's corn free.  These products all contain
corn for the most part.  The more formulas one takes in a day, the more corn they're getting.


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technically it's not corn it's derived from corn.


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Chloe,
I share your concern. When I got sick 8 years ago I was having mild asthma like reactions when I ate "some" gluten free products, and discovered it was  corn derivities.
I have improved and can tolerate some now, but don't want to push my luck.
Currently I am only using the Polyflora rom the list. I have deflect also but that's okay.
I have been planning to buy more of Dr. D's supplements, so while I'm okay with the Polyflora I would like clarification before buying more products.
thanks for raising this concern.
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It is great that this concern has been raised, but does Dr. D'Adamo read each and every post. I could be wrong to assume he doesn't, but he is quite busy. I'm hoping that someone who has more access to him than we do will bring this to his attention. It would be nice to have this concern verified.
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technically it's not corn it's derived from corn.


Can you explain the difference between the two?  My bottle of NOW brand magnesium citrate
says "no corn" on the label....and the source of that product is obviously not derived from corn....





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It seems that corn is in everything these day.  Very unforunate, but corn is cheap and the govermnent subsidizes corn.  I live in an area with a lot of family farms.  Often times you will see the corn left unharvested on the stalk.  As long as the farmer plants the corn, they get their subsidy.  Sorry to get off track here, but I believe it will be very difficult to eliminate corn in all its forms in our lifetime  


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technically it's not corn it's derived from corn.



Quoted from Chloe
Can you explain the difference between the two?  My bottle of NOW brand magnesium citrate
says "no corn" on the label....and the source of that product is obviously not derived from corn....


The difference is that some corn-sensitive people can tolerate "corn derived" ingredients, while others can't. Whatever part of the corn plant that bothers you, there's a chance that the final citric acid is free of that component. This is similar to how soy lecithin is neutral for a lot more blood types and genotypes than soybeans are.



There's also the chance that you will still react to corn-derived citric acid. It depends on how sensitive you are, or if the specific component that irritates you is the one that's left after processing.



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Can you explain the difference between the two?  My bottle of NOW brand magnesium citrate
says "no corn" on the label....and the source of that product is obviously not derived from corn....


If it says there is no CORN in it then I would assume that there isn't any "Corn" technically.

if the chemical is derived from corn it does not mean it is corn.

Ideally they would use something else but i imagine they use it because it as good as it gets.

if you say there is no water in something but there is oxygen in it, derived from water for arguments sake you do not need to worry about the water - or the hydrogen for that matter.





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if you say there is no water in something but there is oxygen in it, derived from water for arguments sake you do not need to worry about the water - or the hydrogen for that matter.

I understand the water / oxygen or hydrogen concept, but don't think it is an appropriate analogy in this case.  Water has no lectin.

Corn has a lectin in it that can transfer into many, if not all, of the derivatives.  How are we lay people to be able to determine which derivatives contain the lectin?
The only answer for the lectin sensitive person is to avoid corn in all forms, including corn derivatives, etc...  If labeling laws allow for "No corn" on labels of product derived from corn, this is misleading and can lead to significant health problems for sensitive people.


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AB Joe - the analogy was purely a clinically chemical one - not including lectins.

I realise there is an issue for some people but avoiding a derivative of corn completely is not the solution for the majority of people, even if it is actually necessary for some.

i don't eat any corn products, but if people eat any processed products with hidden corn it may well be that that is upsetting them and not magnesium citrate.

note i  do not know either way for sure, all im saying is as far as labelling is concerned. and I imagine Dr D has it covered too, which is more to the point.

even gluten free products are allowed to have something like 20 parts per million or something yet they still call them gluten free -

I think i realistic expectation is required.






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If it says there is no CORN in it then I would assume that there isn't any "Corn" technically.

if the chemical is derived from corn it does not mean it is corn.

Ideally they would use something else but i imagine they use it because it as good as it gets.

if you say there is no water in something but there is oxygen in it, derived from water for arguments sake you do not need to worry about the water - or the hydrogen for that matter.





An assumption is what you're referring to and I would prefer to hear facts. I wrote again to
Gwen asking more questions about the labeling given there has been a formula change from magnesium stearate to magnesium citrate.

I doubt the company that makes the labels is the same as the lab that creates the DPN products.

There would have had to be an intervention by someone else....perhaps at the lab, telling DPN's
management that they are now using a corn derived formula and label is wrong.  What
I'm saying is that this one step is possibly an oversight.  Magnesium stearate wasn't a corn
derived ingredient awhile back...And now magnesium citrate is.... And maybe it's fine.

I just want to know more.  I want to hear that someone analyzed this corn derived "additional" ingredient now used in most of DPNs formulas. I want someone to deem this magnesium citrate as totally safe for all corn reactive individuals.

From a health perspective, I'd rather leave no stone unturned....It's not a matter of theoretical assumptions that we should be making to justify our unwillingness to rule out what might honestly be a bigger deal than we know..

I want to hear DPN's explanation and then maybe I can sit back and not take this all that seriously...so for me, I would like confirmed factual information from the lab that "no corn" on a label is indeed the way the label should read.

You do realize the strong effects of homeopathy?  The notion of "essence" or nothing left after titration is powerful medicine. So in all actuality, what's left after corn has been made into
a derivative could actually be stronger than anyone knows.

I'll just feel better with real facts.  At this point, speculation isn't a safe enough idea.


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An assumption is what you're referring to and I would prefer to hear facts. I wrote again to
Gwen asking more questions about the labeling given there has been a formula change from magnesium stearate to magnesium citrate.

I doubt the company that makes the labels is the same as the lab that creates the DPN products.

There would have had to be an intervention by someone else....perhaps at the lab, telling DPN's
management that they are now using a corn derived formula and label is wrong.  What
I'm saying is that this one step is possibly an oversight.  Magnesium stearate wasn't a corn
derived ingredient awhile back...And now magnesium citrate is.... And maybe it's fine.

I just want to know more.  I want to hear that someone analyzed this corn derived "additional" ingredient now used in most of DPNs formulas. I want someone to deem this magnesium citrate as totally safe for all corn reactive individuals.

From a health perspective, I'd rather leave no stone unturned....It's not a matter of theoretical assumptions that we should be making to justify our unwillingness to rule out what might honestly be a bigger deal than we know..

I want to hear DPN's explanation and then maybe I can sit back and not take this all that seriously...so for me, I would like confirmed factual information from the lab that "no corn" on a label is indeed the way the label should read.

You do realize the strong effects of homeopathy?  The notion of "essence" or nothing left after titration is powerful medicine. So in all actuality, what's left after corn has been made into
a derivative could actually be stronger than anyone knows.

I'll just feel better with real facts.  At this point, speculation isn't a safe enough idea.


I agree, Chloe.  And we haven't even begun to discuss consumer confidence.  People buy Dr. D's books and supplements because they trust Dr. D.  If the supplements are tainted with corn products when the lables specifically say there is no corn, then it is ultimately Dr. D's fine reputation on the line.


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No offence girls but personally i think you are both making more of this than is required or necessary.


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No offence girls but personally i think you are both making more of this than is required or necessary.


Personally, I think if we all find out the truth and you were correct about your assumption
that this is totally safe, then we won't have to think about this again. We'll end this thread with conclusive evidence. And anyone searching for information will know the truth.

But the truth is, at this very moment we don't have any definitive answer directly from any reliable source.  Everyone who is speculating might want to understand that there are people battling serious health conditions and speculation might be risky for them.  In America due to so many children with peanut allergies, there are kids who have gone into anaphylactic shock and died simply by being in an environment where other people were eating peanut butter sandwiches.  In my grandkids' schools, no nuts allowed.  In their sleep away camp....nut free.

Our society has changed. People's immune systems have changed...Can't explain all the reasons
for this, but I'd still rather be on the safer side of this debate than assume something I know
nothing about is totally safe. All I'm asking for is a professional point of view.  None of us here
can do that for everyone who might have concerns.


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Policychecker, the only constant in life is change.  If changes need to be made to the ingredients in the supplements or the way they are manufactured or packaged, then it is better to know about it so that the problem can be addressed.

The "girls" are not trying to make anything more out of this other than trying to understand if the supplements they are spending their hard-earned money on contain ingredients that should not be there.  I assume Dr. D would want to know if the manufacturer has changed something or if the supplement now contain a corn-derived product.

These types of growing pains are common in business but need to be addressed, regardless.  I see this thread as a step in the right direction - that is all  


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Here is "the" definitive answer I just received back from Gwen.  We can now all put this to sleep.

So, at least inquiring minds finally know the truth!  ...so be it!  

This is a company with integrity and Dr D’Adamo is very particular that ALL the ingredients in the supplements are of the highest quality and DO NOT include avoids for the blood types.

Using Magnesium Citrate from corn and eating corn is totally different.  The fundamental difference is that there is no corn DNA left in the magnesium citrate by the end of the process.   There is no corn protein or anything that can trace back to the corn.   Therefore, the labels are correct and the supplements safe and not an issue at all.

Hope this helps.

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Thanks for the "update", Chloe. I'm locking the thread, so that the latest information is most prevalent.


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