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C_Sharp
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Quoted from Dianne
does the fact that it is non GMO overide it as an avoid.


No.

The fact that it has been chemically extracted and gone through processing, may mean the substances in corn that are a problem have been removed.

It also may not be a problem if the amount of citrate is fairly small.

I am fairly sensitive to corn. And avoid products that have citric acid added to them (say canned artichoke hearts) because I have experienced negative reactions.

I have taken DNP products with magnesium citrate (Phytocal A, Exakta, GenoType Multimineral) and I have not noted problems that I thought were related to magnesium citrate.

Magnesium citrate is also in Phytocal O, but I have not taken this.



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Which DPN supplements contain corn-derived citrate?

I certainly hope that Dr D has the formulas changed now that this has been brought to his attention (or, it will be brought to his attention as a result of this thread if it hasn't been yet.)


Anything that says magnesium citrate is corn derived.....which is usually listed with additional ingredients.
Read your bottles.

Nope, nothing mentioned in my response that says anything about changing the source.


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I am fairly sensitive to corn. And avoid products that have citric acid added to them (say canned artichoke hearts) because I have experienced negative reactions.

I have taken DNP products with magnesium citrate (Phytocal A, Exakta, GenoType Multimineral) and I have not noted problems that I thought were related to magnesium citrate.

Magnesium citrate is also in Phytocal O, but I have not taken this.



I am definitely walking around with achy joints due to the corn derived magnesium citrate. I take
Exakta, Geno Multi mineral and Phytocal A plus others that contain mag. citrate.  I'm ready to give up all DPN supplements if they don't see that corn is a problem ingredient.  What's the
point of having a SWAMI with a list of toxins if toxins are going to be included in supplements.
I'm rather disappointed to find out DPN magnesium citrate is corn derived.  I honestly expected to learn it came from beets or at the very least, some form most people would tolerate.  


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I'm sick and my brain is not working in full tilt! I finally had the bright idea to look at all of our bottles from NAP, mine say NAP and not DPN and the disclaimer says :

"This products contains no sugar, salt, gluten, wheat, corn, soy, eggs or dairy, no preservatives, color or flavors, and no artificial ingredients."

If this is the case, the magnesium citrate must not be corn derived. So what to think? Hopefully the company who manufactures these products are not doing something that is not ethical, they may be looking at an old spec sheet which has corn derived mag citrate and they now use beet or another source!?!
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I'm pretty sure that Dr D knows exactly what is in his supps, So i continue to use them.

he knows what he is doing.


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A quick phone call to DPN should clear this up!


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I'm posting this again for anyone who doesn't understand.  I emailed DPN two days ago....and asked them the source of their magnesium citrate used in the DPN formulas.  I wrote to Gwen.  She initially told me she was going to contact the lab.....Today she wrote me their reply.  And I'm repeating this again...The magnesium citrate in these formulas is corn.....If you don't tolerate corn, you might want to take note.


This is what Gwen wrote me:
Below is the response from the labs.

The magnesium citrate is made in the USA. The citrate component to this
complex is made from non-gmo corn. The company we purchase from did not
state which country; however, they did assure me that they always source
non-gmo citric acid.


I went through many of the DPN products.  These contain magnesium citrate and comes under a listing of
"other ingredients".

I looked up supplements for type A....but I'm quite sure the BTD formulas for other blood types contain
the same "other ingredients">

Polyvite  
Phytocal A
Polyflora A
Intrinsa
Tranquility base
Connectivar
Fucus plus
Methyl 12 Plus
Hepatiguard
Redoxa
Hytrax
Detoxical
ARA Plus
Catechol
Cortiguard
Nitricycle
Genoma Cardia
Fem Balance
Histonia
Attentia
Phyto D 2000
Bromelain
Genoma Security
Rekon Pro
Genoma Derma
Ocubright

These supplements do NOT contain magnesium citrate.
Deflect
Live Cell
protein formulas
CLA formula
Harmonia
Proberry caps


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Does anyone else have a problem with citric acid and or citrates?


Citric acid = diaper rash



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I'm pretty sure that Dr D knows exactly what is in his supps, So i continue to use them.

he knows what he is doing.


Do you have problems with corn?  If you don't, no problem.




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I'm posting this again for anyone who doesn't understand.  


I admit that I didn't read the entire thread...



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I went through many of the DPN products.  These contain magnesium citrate and comes under a listing of "other ingredients".


I think that this became the case when DPN switched to stearate free packaging.

Most of the products I have not used since that transition was made.  Since these products do not list any magnesium dose, I presumed the amount of magnesium citrate in them is quite small.

Most of the DNP products, I have not retested on myself since the reformulation

Quoted from Dianne
I finally had the bright idea to look at all of our bottles from NAP, mine say NAP and not DPN


If the bottles say NAP they probably have an older formulation. Magnesium citrate was not added as an ingredient to help with flow in machinery and packaging of the ingredients into capsules in the past.  The switch was about a year ago.

I presume the disclaimer on the bottles was correct at that time.


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C_Sharp : I don't know how to do the quote thing. Anyhow...even though the bottles say NAP, there are some that have the magnesium citrate added, but there is also the disclaimer that it does not contain....gluten, soy, corn etc...

So who/what to believe? If Gwen called their source and they say it's corn derived makes you wonder doesn't it. Makes me tend to believe that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing! Let's hope that Dr. D'Adamo will answer us as I believe he'll know for sure what's going on. Otherwise, it would be a shame to have these wonderful formulations and people opted to not use them. I am very familiar with professional supplements and his formulations are very good.
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I think that this became the case when DPN switched to stearate free packaging.

Magnesium citrate was not added as an ingredient to help with flow in machinery and packaging of the ingredients into capsules in the past.  The switch was about a year ago.
now I am confused - isn't it magnesium stearate (not magnesium citrate) that is the product most companies use to clean their machines?
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now I am confused - isn't it magnesium stearate (not magnesium citrate) that is the product most companies use to clean their machines?


Yes. But magnesium stearate received bad press and DNP decided to remove it.

But something had to be used to do the same thing that the stearate did.  DNP needed to get the desired ingredients into the capsules with out heating them up to the point that it would destroy the nutrients. Also some formulations need some filler material.  

So when the stearate was pulled out of the pills, it was replaced with several ingredients so the pills could still be packaged. I think DNP currently uses a mixture for packing purposes. That mixture includes vegetable cellulose, magnesium citrate, L-Leucine, and Silica.  Something needs to be used. I do not know why these particular substances were selected, but I presume it was because they would work and would be well tolerated by most people.


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Aaah I see... Thanks for explaining that  
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But, DPN left "no corn" on the labels...which is now not accurate.  I have written to DPN to point that
out.  If there is corn in a formula, it cannot be labeled that it's corn free.  These products all contain
corn for the most part.  The more formulas one takes in a day, the more corn they're getting.


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technically it's not corn it's derived from corn.


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Chloe,
I share your concern. When I got sick 8 years ago I was having mild asthma like reactions when I ate "some" gluten free products, and discovered it was  corn derivities.
I have improved and can tolerate some now, but don't want to push my luck.
Currently I am only using the Polyflora rom the list. I have deflect also but that's okay.
I have been planning to buy more of Dr. D's supplements, so while I'm okay with the Polyflora I would like clarification before buying more products.
thanks for raising this concern.
Lin


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It is great that this concern has been raised, but does Dr. D'Adamo read each and every post. I could be wrong to assume he doesn't, but he is quite busy. I'm hoping that someone who has more access to him than we do will bring this to his attention. It would be nice to have this concern verified.
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technically it's not corn it's derived from corn.


Can you explain the difference between the two?  My bottle of NOW brand magnesium citrate
says "no corn" on the label....and the source of that product is obviously not derived from corn....





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It seems that corn is in everything these day.  Very unforunate, but corn is cheap and the govermnent subsidizes corn.  I live in an area with a lot of family farms.  Often times you will see the corn left unharvested on the stalk.  As long as the farmer plants the corn, they get their subsidy.  Sorry to get off track here, but I believe it will be very difficult to eliminate corn in all its forms in our lifetime  


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Quoted from PCUK-Positive
technically it's not corn it's derived from corn.



Quoted from Chloe
Can you explain the difference between the two?  My bottle of NOW brand magnesium citrate
says "no corn" on the label....and the source of that product is obviously not derived from corn....


The difference is that some corn-sensitive people can tolerate "corn derived" ingredients, while others can't. Whatever part of the corn plant that bothers you, there's a chance that the final citric acid is free of that component. This is similar to how soy lecithin is neutral for a lot more blood types and genotypes than soybeans are.



There's also the chance that you will still react to corn-derived citric acid. It depends on how sensitive you are, or if the specific component that irritates you is the one that's left after processing.



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Can you explain the difference between the two?  My bottle of NOW brand magnesium citrate
says "no corn" on the label....and the source of that product is obviously not derived from corn....


If it says there is no CORN in it then I would assume that there isn't any "Corn" technically.

if the chemical is derived from corn it does not mean it is corn.

Ideally they would use something else but i imagine they use it because it as good as it gets.

if you say there is no water in something but there is oxygen in it, derived from water for arguments sake you do not need to worry about the water - or the hydrogen for that matter.





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if you say there is no water in something but there is oxygen in it, derived from water for arguments sake you do not need to worry about the water - or the hydrogen for that matter.

I understand the water / oxygen or hydrogen concept, but don't think it is an appropriate analogy in this case.  Water has no lectin.

Corn has a lectin in it that can transfer into many, if not all, of the derivatives.  How are we lay people to be able to determine which derivatives contain the lectin?
The only answer for the lectin sensitive person is to avoid corn in all forms, including corn derivatives, etc...  If labeling laws allow for "No corn" on labels of product derived from corn, this is misleading and can lead to significant health problems for sensitive people.


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