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Joyce
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Does anyone else have a problem with citric acid and or citrates?
I'm 99% certain it/they trigger aura migraine for me.
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I think my problems with it are not from citric acid, but because most types of citric acid are corn derived.


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I avoid anything containing citric acid because most sources are made from corn. It can be made from other sources, but if they don't specify, I assume it's corn and avoid it. I don't know how I react to corn or corn derivatives, and I really don't want to find out!  Corn is super-toxic for Os, but since it's neutral for A secretors, it may not be quite as terrible for you personally. Or, you may have a problem specifically with citric acid, even if you tolerate other forms of corn.


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Most citric acid is produced from corn, manufacturers do not always take out the protein which can be hydrolysed and create MSG (621) causing reactions in MSG-sensitive people.
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I can't have citric acid, and corn doesn't explain it for me because I get the exact same reaction from lemon/lime


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Possum, I didn't know that about the relationship of MSG and citric acid - I do avoid MSG as don't react well to that either.... but usually with afib or diarrhoea - could be a very valid point, thankyou.

I've been avoiding lemon and lime but perhaps I shouldn't.
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Citric acid is a acidity regulator also, Emily can't be near the stuff. whether corn or another reason.


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Joyce I have problems with lemon too; not so sure about lime though
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Do those of you who react to citric acid also have a problem with supplements containing a mineral+citrate also?  I used to take magnesium citrate which does make a nice refreshing drink, but have changed to mag ascorbate instead....... but my main anti-afib one is mag glycinate.
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I'm not sure I have a reaction as such to (magnesium) citrate but I sure absorb more of an alternative form...(aspartate) Although funnily enough, the label on the citrate one, says highly absorbable

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That was quick, Possum - I should have realised you are at the other end of the day to me  
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I'm not sure I have a reaction as such to (magnesium) citrate but I sure absorb more of an alternative form...(aspartate)



I had to stop taking magnesium aspartate this summer since it made the left side of my face tingle/go numb.  This may have been a problem of too much absorption.

I can usually use products with magnesium citrate in them, even though I do poorly with citric acid.  If taking magnesium by itself I generally choose something other than magnesium citrate.





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Do those of you who react to citric acid also have a problem with supplements containing a mineral+citrate also?  I used to take magnesium citrate which does make a nice refreshing drink, but have changed to mag ascorbate instead....... but my main anti-afib one is mag glycinate.


I'm glad you're bringing up this subject.  From what I keep reading on the web, magnesium citrate can come from corn or beets. Or maybe there is a citrus source.. I've written customer service at DPN three times asking the source of their magnesium citrate and have gotten no answer.  I wrote again this morning after an inquiry two weeks ago and one before that, early summer. Magnesium citrate is in almost all of the DPN supplements and I take a lot of those
products.  Just don't know the source of the mag citrate. Only solitary magnesium citrate I've found that says "no corn" on the label is the NOW brand.  My joints hurt from corn. I am dismayed that customer service does not answer my inquiries.

Edited to add:  I just got an email back from DPN....Gwen said that product manager is going to contact the
labs for information regarding the source of their magnesium citrate and she will get back to me.  When
I know more, I will share here.


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I had to stop taking magnesium aspartate this summer since it made the left side of my face tingle/go numb.  This may have been a problem of too much absorption.

I can usually use products with magnesium citrate in them, even though I do poorly with citric acid.  If taking magnesium by itself I generally choose something other than magnesium citrate.
I know you know heaps more than I do... but I thought the major problem with absorbing too much magnesium was loose BM's?

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Edited to add:  I just got an email back from DPN....Gwen said that product manager is going to contact the labs for information regarding the source of their magnesium citrate and she will get back to me.  When I know more, I will share here.
Glad they got back to you; at least with a preliminary response

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but I thought the major problem with absorbing too much magnesium was loose BM's?



That is one common symptom of excess magnesium.

But excess magnesium also causes these digestive issues:

stomach upset
nausea
vomiting

Large doses also can result in:

irregular heartbeat and other heart issues
low blood pressure
confusion
slowed breathing
coma
Kidney problems


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My issues were with magnesium aspartate and not other forms of magnesium.

So I actually assumed that the problem was not with the magnesium but with aspartate and orotate (a conversion product of aspartate).

But since the argument was being made that magnesium absorption was higher for the same dose in the asportate form because of increased absorption, then the problems could be from magnesium instead of aspartate. Since magnesium lowers blood pressure and affects the heart perhaps it could produce symptoms that mimicked a blood clot on the side of the face.

Side effects of aspartate seem to be not not as agreed upon as the magnesium, but I noted the following suggestions on various Web sites:

Numbness or Tingling of Extremities
Swallowing Pain
Flushing of face
Slurring of Speech
Muscle spasms
Asthmatic Reactions
Bloating/Edema
Blood Sugar Problems
Breathing difficulties
Confusion
Fatigue
Feeling unreal
Hearing Loss
Heart palpitations
Seizures and Convulsions


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Ok, so this was a true awakening for me. I just checked my hummus, and no canola oil, however, it had citric acid in there. Never would I think of connecting this with corn, you guys are so wise.

Another avoid for me, I believe, it is corn derived and I am an o, that is not good for me.

Thank you for this information.
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I just checked the data base and the vanillin and vanilla are avoids for me and I wonder if it is because of the corn issue. I have 1oo% organic, whole vanilla bean powder. This is making me reconsider the vanilla issue.
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Thanks! Just printed it out and will keep with me.

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Got my answer from DPN.  I'm disappointed.  It's corn derived....and it makes no difference to me
that it's non-gmo because it's still corn......Corn is a black dot for me and I'm getting it many times during the day --every day!  


Below is the response from the labs.

The magnesium citrate is made in the USA. The citrate component to this
complex is made from non-gmo corn. The company we purchase from did not
state which country; however, they did assure me that they always source
non-gmo citric acid.


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Are NAP and DPN the same company? If so, that means that the mag citrate in the NAP formulas have corn in them? Corn is a total avoid for me. If this is the case, I am assuming that Dr. D. is aware of all of the ingredients, does the fact that it is non GMO overide it as an avoid. Perhaps the corn testes for SWAMIE was GMO corn? I hope someone with the answer replies to this. Thanks.
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Which DPN supplements contain corn-derived citrate?

I certainly hope that Dr D has the formulas changed now that this has been brought to his attention (or, it will be brought to his attention as a result of this thread if it hasn't been yet.)


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Are NAP and DPN the same company?


Yes

North American Pharmcal is an older name. It is still used in some cases.

D'Adamo Personalized Nutrition is a more recent name.


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