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ruthiegirl
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I've been giving my 9yo son the "adult chewable multivitamin" by Trader Joe's, because it's affordable (it comes to about $3 a month, vs $20 a month for Dr D's multi) and I can actually get him to take it (he doesn't swallow pills nor will he consistently eat the powder from a capsule dumped into applesauce or oatmeal.) But the bottle is almost used up, and before I open the new one (which is still returnable) I'm wondering if maybe he'd do  better on no multivitamin rather than one that contains small amounts of avoids.

My specific concerns about this vitamin are the vitamin C (ascorbic acid, most likely corn derived), sucrose, "natural tropical punch flavor", citric acid, and dextrose.

Most multivitamins contain ascorbic acid, but most do NOT contain dextrose or citric acid (also likely from corn) and I have no clue what's in the natural flavor. And he tends to do horribly on sugar. If I let him have something made with sugar a few days in a row (such as leftover birthday cake) without fail, he ends up getting sick and staying sick for a week. He's fine on honey, agave, and fruits/juices, but he just does NOT do well on sucrose. There's only one gram of sugar per tablet (and that includes sugar from the above-mentioned sources plus nonfat dry milk and granular honey, both of which he's OK with.) So, in the past, I figured the sucrose in the tablet was negligable.

I've noticed in the past that he often gets sick when I'm better at reminding him to take his vitamins daily; but that could be because I'm better about that when he's not eating or sleeping as well. But could it be that this formulation is hard on his body rather than supportive of it?

I am thinking of starting him on cod liver oil (neutral for Bs, beneficial for Nomads) which will take care of his vitamin A and D needs, but that won't give him iodine or zinc or B vitamins. I am working on getting him to eat more fruits and  veggies, but he's just not consistent about that yet.

So, my options are:

1) keep giving him this multi every day
2) keep giving him this multi, but less often- every otehr day, or half a tablet a day
3) don't give him a multi at all
4) give him another kind of multivitamin- what?



Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Lola. DPN doesn't currently make any chewable or liquid multi-vitamins; only capsules. Yes, I know I could buy polyvite B and open the capsules into something for DS to eat, and give him 1/4 to 1/2 the adult dose to save money. However, I'm not willing to do that at this time. I risk making DS lose his taste for whatever healthy food (yogurt, oatmeal, or applesauce) I choose for the this purpose. I don't want to fight with DS over "making him take an unpleasant supplement" every day.

Here are the options I'm considering:

1) don't  give him any multivitamin at all.

2) continue giving him this one (possibly at a lower dose)

3) give him a different chewable or liquid multivitamin. If I can find something that's intended to be tasted (chewable or a tasty liquid intended for drinking off a spoon) and has more compliant ingredients, I'll consider that as an alternative to the Trader Joe's vitamin. I know that DPN doesn't offer anything suitable. Perhaps Twinlab or NOW or BlueBonnet makes something appropriate. That's what I'm asking.

If I can't find anything truly compliant, am I better off giving him something "mostly compliant" so get gets all the trace nutrients, or is he better off not getting a multivitamin and having a higher level of compliance?


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So, any more input?

No multivitamin, or multivitamin that contains small amounts of avoids?


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If I thought the child was getting balanced nutrition without the multi, I would go without.

If I thought the child was likely missing some important nutrients because he was picky about what else he ate, I would give him the multi and hope the quantity of avoids was small enough not to hurt him.


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Ruth,
Since you're concerned about the ingredients possibly harming more than helping, drop it for a month and monitor for issues possibly related.  We know that this won't be 100% valid, as diet will fluctuate over that period, but generally you're feeding him well for his type, so he should be able to get most of what he needs from diet.  

As for iodine, does he eat any sea vegetables or wild caught ocean fish?  Do you have a bottle of iodine tincture that you could test to see if he is OK?  

Are and/many of these in his diet?
Zinc containing foods:
http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/zinc.php

B vitamins are usually found in grains...  


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He doesn't eat ocean fish or sea vegetables. He won't eat the dulse and nutritional yeast-enhanced veggie soups I make for his older sister. I do have iodine in the medicine cabinet, and I can do the iodine patch test. That's actually a good idea.

Looking at the list of zinc-containing foods, he eats some of them, but not large enough quantities consistently. Many of those foods are avoids for Bs, and the others he doesn't eat in huge quantities. Based on that list, I'd estimate he gets about 1/3 to 1/2 the RDA of zinc per day, on average.

He does eat plenty of grains, so I guess he's OK on the B's. I don't give him fortified cereals because I don't want him getting too much iron, and anyway they're expensive and highly processed.

I definitely want to get him on cod liver oil soon, but I want to discuss with him if he'd prefer capsules or liquid.


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Well, he ended up opening up the new package of multivitamins. There are 89 tablets left in this package, so I guess I'll revisit this question in about 3 months. Or longer, if we decide to do half a tablet a day or he takes them less often than daily.

I still want to get him on CLO as soon as possible- he says he'd prefer a liquid, so I'll pick some up next time I'm in the HFS.


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Ruthie, If I had to choose between a multivitamin and a multi mineral i would choose the multi mineral.

we use Dr D's and have both and it's is an expense we have to seriously budget for but. i think quality is worth it.


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If I could find a compliant chewable multi-mineral, I'd give it to DS, but what I have is a multi vitamin and multi-mineral. He's gotten a lot better over the years about taking supplements I want him to take, but he's still very picky about taste and texture. If I'd known about proberry when I first gave him elderberry syrup, he'd proabably take it with minimal complaints. I went through several brands of nasty-tasting elderberry syrups 3 years ago when he had pneumonia. He took them because I insisted (and he felt how awful it was to be sick and NEED to take medicine)  but, now that he's found a brand he likes, he doesn't want to switch to something less tasty.

I tried to get him to take proberry last winter. I mixed it with honey, I diluted it, I mixed it into juice- he simply refused to drink it. In the end he wasn't getting the elderberry that's proven to keep him healthy in the past. I decided this wasn't a battle worth fighting- I use the proberry syrup myself and buy the Sambucus for him. Even though it has fructose, he's still healthier taking it than not taking it. in a few years, I'll try to switch him to proberry caps.

I talked to him about cod liver oil, and he wants to try the unflavored variety first, when I'd suggested buying the lemon. I know he likes the taste of sardines with lemon, so I figured he may prefer the fishy-tasting oil with lemon flavor. But he wants to try the unflavored first. If he aquires a taste for unflavored CLO, that will be good for him, for life.

Even though this bottle of multivitamins is opened and can't be returned, he doens't HAVE TO take it daily. I don't think I'll encourage it- if he remembers to take it, fine, but otherwise he can skip it.


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