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Canadj
Sunday, September 4, 2011, 4:23am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I've been wondering lately if I have pernicious anemia.  I've got the signs: fatigue, dizziness, nausea, zero energy, skin blotches and bruising.  I also don't eat any B12 rich meat sources, just chicken, salmon, and the occasional turkey.  I found some B12 1000mcg at the store on sale, so I got a couple containers.  I see the doctor on Thurs, and I was wanting to get some blood tests to check for B12 and Iron.

Do you think having taken the B12 pills for the past 3 days will skew the results against me (if I have anemia)?  Or will these make a difference over only 1 week?

Is it dangerous to take them for extended periods as well especially without supervision?

Thanks.
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It's apparently hard to absorb the Vit B12 from a supplement source... Most people I have heard of that really have needed high doses of this, have had to have injections, so prob'ly not much chance of skewing the results
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One of my friends has pernicious anemia... she would get shots & take sublingual B12.  Like Possum said, if absorption is the issue, it shouldn't skew the results.


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Ok.  I did find some of the fast dissolving B12 made from the "methyl" part, instead of "cyano".  I got the "cyano" because it was the one that was on sale, and I was just wanting to start to try to help me out.  So if I continue throughout the week, it shouldn't be bad then?

Thanks for the advise.
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Cyano- is hard on the system.  Liver takes on an extra burden to process it.  I ignore cyanocobalamine, regardless of price.


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I had the test but my doctor hasn't called back yet.  It's been a week.

Does excess B12 cause itching like was discussed a bit in the B complex thread, or is there another cause?  My mom's now taking the B12 too and she had an insanely itchy hand tonight.  Sometimes I've had that too in the past, so I'm wondering what it could be signalling.

Any advice is appreciated.
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May I pipe in here and say that if you are not absorbing any .. whatever...  then it's time to start juicing and clearing out the intestines / colon.. the absorption is only on issue if the insides are clogged..

Start by juicing and filling the body with nutrients that enter the blood/body system near instantly..   choose any ORGANIC vegetable that is available to start with and later find other things in stores that cater to organics- like dandelions and the like. The darker the better, and for new juicers add ORGANIC carrots to sweeten.. but I like bitter, so to each their own..

The sicker the more juices.. 13 half glasses a day in place of most water will do wonders.. calories are no issue in green juices..  

For the hardy willing to make ALL the difference there are elimination methods that will be very helpful.. see the many other posts on them..

eat your fruit whole, juice your vegetables fresh ..  

As for the prices.. well yes.. but cheaper then pills..

anything that itches is 'toxic' for that day / what did mom or you eat just before the itching started..  



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I've been wondering lately if I have pernicious anemia.  I've got the signs: fatigue, dizziness, nausea, zero energy, skin blotches and bruising.  I also don't eat any B12 rich meat sources, just chicken, salmon, and the occasional turkey.  I found some B12 1000mcg at the store on sale, so I got a couple containers.  I see the doctor on Thurs, and I was wanting to get some blood tests to check for B12 and Iron.

Do you think having taken the B12 pills for the past 3 days will skew the results against me (if I have anemia)?  Or will these make a difference over only 1 week?

Is it dangerous to take them for extended periods as well especially without supervision?

Thanks.


Your symptoms could be from anything. If you doctor did not call you back call again till you get an answer. People that I see with anemias often have a gut issue.

I would suggest some bitters to help the digestive tract--- and some good quality  polyflora  A probiotics with live cell.

I would probably follow the digestive.. protocol for gastro D--- intinsia--- live cell and deflect for three bottles.. before the probiotics.

Are you following the A diet? or a SWAMI? SWAMI can be tweaked for history of anemia as well.




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@Goldie to put a slight slant on it some old fashioned rules (you need to amend to BTD)

Four Tilden Rules: No. 1. Never eat when feeling bad, and you must be absolutely comfortable from one meal time to the next, both mentally and physically, or miss the coming meal.

    No. 2. Never eat without a keen relish.

    No. 3. Always avoid overeating.

    No. 4. Thoroughly masticate and insalivate your food.

    Decidedly Starchy Foods: Every preparation made from grains- wheat, rye, oats, barley, corn, rice; also the Irish and sweet potato, dry beans and peas, tapioca, sago, peanuts, chestnuts, bananas, Hubbard squash and pumpkin. The three last named have a decided tendency to ferment. Those troubled with sour stomach should not eat them.

    Non-Starchy Vegetables: Beets, turnips, carrots, parsnips, summer squash, cabbage, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, green corn, green peas, string beans, asparagus, onions, egg plant, salsify, okra, kohlrabi, endive, lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, celery, chard, spinach, dandelion, and all plants used as greens.

    The use of the word "non-starchy" is purely arbitrary, for there is starch in all vegetables, but it exists in relatively small proportions in the so-called non-starchy vegetables.

    Prunes and Figs: The sweet fruits are not recommended to overcome constipation, but there is no objection to their use occasionally in those who can use them without acid fermentation and flatulency following
.

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Just happened to be reading a book of Tilden last night (constipation 1939), stayed up to finish it. I remembered there was one mention of pernicious anaemia, so copied here in part for you to view, with a smile. the phraseology is wonderfully odd. (as always amend for your blood type)

OXYGENATED AND DEOXYGENATED FOODS

    People generally are ignorant of the fact that fresh, uncooked foods carry oxygen and are antiseptic. Foods carrying oxygen when eaten oppose acidity--oppose the development of fermentation. These foods are vitalised, they are potentized with enzyme-vitamine. (See chapter on water drinking.)

    Cooked starch, or the carbohydrate foods, when eaten beyond digestive capacity, ferments and leads to acidosis-an intense type of Toxemia.

    The animal protein, when eaten beyond digestive capacity, undergoes putrefactive fermentation, developing acute septic or putrid fevers, or ptomaine poisoning. Where this state exists for a long time scorbutic and scrofulous symptoms manifest. Such symptoms--crises--or so-called diseases as scurvy, pyorrhea, tuberculosis, pernicious anaemia, Bright's disease, goiter, Hodgkins's disease, cancer, and many others develop. The acute symptoms of putrefactive fermentation manifest in many crises, such as diphtheria, scarlet fever, typhoid, pneumonia, smallpox, laryngitis, asthma, hay fever, bronchitis and others.

     Raw fruit and vegetables (vegetable salads) eaten with starch or with meat, fish, or eggs, oppose fermentation and decomposition and the formation of septic poisoning. It can be said that all cases of septic toxemia and ptomaine poisoning could have been avoided if eating had been more moderate, and the meals well-balanced with food charged with enzyme (vitamine) life--oxygen.

    One of the leading causes of constipation is the catarrhal inflammation that develops from eating devitalized foods--abstaining from fresh fruit and vegetables--which favors fermentation, bringing on local and intestinal putrefaction; the real cause being overeating of devitalized foods.

    It is a fact that uncooked fresh fruit and vegetables have power to resist fermentation and putrefaction, and should point to the great necessity of man arranging to have uncooked fruit and fresh vegetable salads daily. Cooked foods have lost their oxygen, hence their resistance to decay, and they break down and ferment or decompose quickly; whereas the raw fruits, cabbage, lettuce and salad materials resist decomposition for months, if kept in a dry, cool atmosphere.

    In feeding for constipation, it would be well to drop animal food so as to avoid the strong possibility of putrefactive poisoning.


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Ok what does juicing have to do with b12?  B12 is only found in meat.

About the bitters, I've been trying to find a better herb tea for a while now, but no one seems to carry anything.  I tend to have more soft poo or diarrhea.  I haven't been constipated in over 10 years now.
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Burdock root/ dandelion tea is bitter.. Gentian is bitters.. and they sell bitters for the drink industry.


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The body is known to absorb the B Vitamins in a one inch space within the large intestines right below the bend downwards on the left side.. on easy place to clean up with some thought and attention..

only after 6 month of intense fresh drinks and good food and  cleansing would I accept the label and the shots.. and then even .. I would do some other energy work .. and Moving Zen massages on the belly.  

A few vitamins will not hurt, but the cost might be put to better use..

I had every sick symptom and label undert he sun, and was at one point near dying.. then I learned about juicing, calema / enema cleanses and then about the first days of BTD (long ago), and all that is HISTORY..  

I was left with diabetes and for all I know I will have some of it, becasue there is really no good suggestion on how to get to the lowest weight healthy for each person, nor is there a good suggestion how one mentally reaches the best solutions, so my body suffered for years from the nerve damage done by the propensity long before diabetes is real..

ONLY this most recent time was I able to get the help to drop weight - I am now using that program to make all the differences for me.  By doing what I am doing BTD is first NOW able to support me the way I needed.   All the years before where not wasted, they did as much as is possible, over 15 years dropping 30 pounds and now having dropped 20 more 2 month ago - I am going on the netxt 20 pounds loss this month-  by doing so I will become my ideal weight never held after menopause.

All the experiences with BTD to GENO and now SWAMI are the greatest underpinning for my great health NOW!  and my current dieting schedule is still 100% compliant. (and now cheating even less then before) ..

PC when reading the artikle, did you notice how many of the diseases we no longer hear much about?

Yet .. Lyme illnesses are on the rise.  and need all the help they can get.  IN THAT Dr D. has not even hit his stride yet.   Yet I am willing to bet anyone who would listen that BTD is the cure, if taken to the most extreeme.. IF FOOD is considered EXTREEME.  

Green juices - carrot juices - here we all should make bigger efforts.  


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