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Seraffa
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Knife-edge wrinkes....I never had a problem with wrinkles until hyperthyroidism started. Now that I'm cured, they're still here (1 1/2 years)  What the @#$%^&?? happened to me? No drop in estrogen levels (im not perimenopausal).....so what can I start doing about this? I have very strong forehead muscles and will never consider botox. And that self-facial life through massage doesn't do a thing for me. I look old  and angry now. My skin is getting drier too. #$%^&!!!


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try the skin protocol and a change of attitude

stress won t lessen those, on the contrary


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SOD & l'carnitin, mg,B-complex, fatty acids...and all in orthomolecular amounts....
use essentil oils for face massages, this really is one of the finest (espec.rose & sandelwood)and don't forget to sleep enough and btw...to fall in love works wonders for all skins   


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Sorry, can't really help since I have gorgeous skin (sorry, can't help but brag about the one good thing about me ) but eventhough my skin is good, I did see it get even better with the Genoma skin care products.

Maybe you should try it. Some people here have had good results with coconut oil as a facial cream. As for the dryness, try a natural soap, they don't dry out your skin as much. I use the facial soaps from Hickory ridge organics (they are an American based company with beautiful organic products, I love their deodorant as well). I use it in turn with the facial cleanser from the Genoma skin care (my skin and face loves to have variety).




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Emu oil before bed.

You will be so happy when you wake up.

I use this one:
http://www.vitacost.com:80/Emu-Gold-Emu-Oil-Certified-Pure-Grade-A-0-5-fl-oz

Feel better.
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My daughter has been using emu oil on her face and stretch marks with great results.

Also, I make a point of never pointing out my flaws to other people, most of the time it isn't something they notice, unless I point them to it lol .


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I have sensitive skin and started using coconut oil on my face. While the oil helps me topically, I found that eating 100% compliant foods help the most.

Give yourself some more time on the diet and see how your skin and overall physical condition changes.


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Quoted from Karma
Emu oil before bed.

You will be so happy when you wake up.

I use this one:
http://www.vitacost.com:80/Emu-Gold-Emu-Oil-Certified-Pure-Grade-A-0-5-fl-oz

Feel better.


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Quoted from grey rabbit
My daughter has been using emu oil on her face and stretch marks with great results.

Also, I make a point of never pointing out my flaws to other people, most of the time it isn't something they notice, unless I point them to it lol .


Ahhhhh......I see *ahem*.........well don't get me wrong, grey rabbit....I do like my strong forehead muscles. It just seems like the collagen under them in a couple places broke down all of a sudden. I really don't know what I look like to other people at this point. Only have pics of me from 2 years ago with a completely smooth forehead. These wrinkles have "set in" - I don't think it was just from worry and stress.


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I have oily skin. I had terrible acne and my cheeks were heading south as well as turkey neck after my weight loss. I personally have been using DSMO and citric acid. Seems to be doing wonders for me. It has removed my flaky skin as well.
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so what can I start doing about this? I have very strong forehead muscles and will never consider botox. And that self-facial life through massage doesn't do a thing for me. I look old  and angry now. My skin is getting drier too. #$%^&!!!


My sister looks like a prune. And I'll tell you why. She does not drink water.  So are you drinking water? 64 oz per day?  Are you also a sun worshipper?  
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Sorry, can't really help since I have gorgeous skin (sorry, can't help but brag about the one good thing about me )


Yes we do have great skin. I've been told that more than once.  Well at least we do have something..to make up for being thrifty.   But I have to say I do take care of my skin. I always did. I don't bake for hours in the sun, I use moisturizer, night creams. I exfoliate.  And I try to drink that 64 oz of water every day.
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There are all kinds of products out there on the market, but I am not sure they work, however.

Unfortunately age and SOME wrinkles go hand in hand.  I am told I have beautiful skin, but trust me, I have wrinkles.

I like the water idea.  64 oz sounds like a lot, however.  Didn't I read somewhere on the forum about consuming a certain amount of water per pound of body weight?  Does anyone know that formula?


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OK, so this is my take.  It's probably genetic.  Take a look at your parents, and ask them when they started to find wrinkles to be a problem.

Although I didn't get the "skinny" gene, I DID get the "look young" gene.  I just turned 49, and most think that I am in my 30's, mostly due to the fact that I have very few wrinkles.  My Mom is the same.  HER mom, was, also, the same.  So, genetics play a BIG part in how you age.

IMHO, sun exposure causing aging is a bunch of BS perpetuated by the sunscreen and cosmetic industries.  I was a professional horse trainer for 15 years and spent all of those years outdoors in South Texas WITHOUT ANY SUNSCREEN! I was tan, tan, tan...especially on my face. I don't believe in sunscreen and did not then, nor do I now, use it. It's clear that years of heavy sun exposure have not caused me to wrinkle, again, probably due to my genetics.

I don't use anything special on my face at all.  In fact, I use plain old grapeseed oil (the kind that you can buy by the gallon in the food dept. at Costco) on my wet skin as my only moisturizer.  I saw some extensive study on TV that showed that, virtually, no cream was better at hydration than any other, so using the cheapest was the way to go.  I don't like the fact that, with all lotions, moisturizers, etc., you're usually paying for water and baby oil.  I like grapeseed oil because it doesn't have an odor and because it is slightly astringent and soaks right in when mixed with the water on wet skin.

I would never spend money on expensive oils...oil is oil is oil, IMHO, and when mixed with water on wet skin (in other words, I turn off the shower, and, while still in the shower and before I grab a towel, I run grapeseed oil all over, including my face) it becomes, essentially, lotion.


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I agree with EquiPro.  I come from a family with really lovely skin on my mother's side.  Most of it is genetic.  I don't do a whole lot either, although I do buy lotions.  Most of us in our family have very nice skin.  In fact I have a cousin who is in his 60's who tells me that every morning when he wakes up and looks in the mirror, he says, "Thank you, Nana!"  Nana was my mother's mother who had amazing skin until the day she died in her late 80's   My mom is 92 and still has beautiful skin!  


EquiPro, I have a question about the grapeseed oil.  I tried it on my body when I got out of the shower, in place of body lotion, so I was not towelling it off.  It got on my clothes, particularly my FAVORITE jeans.  I washed and dried my jeans and there is an now an oily smell I cannot get out .  Have you had this problem with the oil either staining your clothes or making them smell?  I have tried everything to get the smell out, such as baking soda and a small amount of bleach, but nothing has worked.  Maybe I should try white vinegar?  I love those jeans  


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After I rub the grapeseed oil on and in, I DO towel off before I put on clothes, and there can be an oily smell to some of my towels, so it could be the problem.  Usually a few washes of the towels takes care of it for me, so I'm not sure beyond that.  Sorry!


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I'm a badly aged Hunter; I went on a mission to smooth my skin a few years ago and this is what I came up with:

Retin-a, purchase from All Day Chemist or Medsmex
Zinc Sunscreen with at least 18% zinc
antioxidant topicals (don't use one much myself, a "day" product)
Copper Peptides-- hard to work with but an interesting, promising product:
http://reverseskinaging.com/copper-peptide-regeneration.html
TCA peels
http://www.makeupartistschoice.com/
Facial Exercise
http://www.flexeffect.com/
Facial microcurrent facelift
http://www.tuatrendface.com/

Take supplelements like vitamin C and MSM.

I believe hormonal  loss is a big factor and use bioidentical estrogen and progesterone.  Testosterone loss may also be involved.  You might want to supplement DHEA, a testosterone precursor; 10 mg I've read is a safe dosage for females.

Diet & exercise of course play a role.  I've been doing intermittent fasting the last month and exercising a lot more intensely lately; I've read this helps release human growth hormone.  I think you are an A...... you could probably still do an intense workout like kettlebells:

http://www.dragondoor.com/
http://www.dragondoor.com/dv040/

I use some but not all the products listed.
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I have a question about the grapeseed oil.  I tried it on my body when I got out of the shower, in place of body lotion, so I was not towelling it off.  It got on my clothes, particularly my FAVORITE jeans.  I washed and dried my jeans and there is an now an oily smell I cannot get out .  


You may be using too much oil.  1 tsp does my entire body.  I use 1/2 and 1/2 grapeseed and extra virgin olive oil.  1 tsp in one hand, palms quickly rubbed together and then skimmed over the whole body.  Then I go back and massage it in better.  I pat dry with a towel, but don't rub it off.



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There is a lot you can do, you might as well!  Yeah coconut oil is nice but no it doesn't reduce wrinkles.  I've had pretty good results with Retin-a, copper peptides, peels, sunscreen, the Tua Trend, bioidentical hormones, intermittent fasting (combo of Hunter diet and system called The Warrior Diet, not same thing as Warrior genotype), and intense exercise.  I should use more supplements but don't  
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EquiPro, you are right that it is good genetics that have given you good skin, you are wrong if you think that sun exposure does not damage the skin. 15min. of sun a day is good enough to get plenty of vit. D, beyond that, you are just asking for trouble. When skin turns darker, inside each skin cell melanin is desperately trying to protect the DNA of that cell. If this DNA is damaged, skin cancer can occur - just like with the GTdiet, with the food we are selecting, damage to the genes happens when they are exposed to something harmful. Sun exposure also causes clumping of elastin fibers which causes leathery skin. Sun over-exposure also temporarily depresses the immune system causing DNA damage.

You are lucky, and I hope for your sake your luck holds out. I have a friend who also does not believe tanning causes skin cancer, she too seems to have good genes that protect her cell's DNA, some of us do not.

More about skin color


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I buff the coconut oil into my body with an exfoliating cloth - similar to what I would do with body wash on an exfoliating cloth. I use the coconut oil in place of body wash/soap since it saponifies and has antibacterial, fungal, and viral properties.... similar to antibacterial soaps.

My skin has become totally soft since then and absolutely no itchiness or irritation. After the buffing, I just let the water rinse away whatever it rinses away since I am oil cleansing my face.

My skin basically has a waterproof barrier with a bit of water on it. I just towel off like normal and that is all. Since coconut oil melts at 76 degrees, the hot water from the showerhead takes away any greasiness.

It does not have a scent so if you want scents, mix in some essential oils. I missed the smell of body wash and shampoo so I put some lavender oil in mine.

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After I rub the grapeseed oil on and in, I DO towel off before I put on clothes, and there can be an oily smell to some of my towels, so it could be the problem.  Usually a few washes of the towels takes care of it for me, so I'm not sure beyond that.  Sorry!




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My face has become softer and glows from the inside since my topical coconut oil use. I know eating it is helping my skin, too. I am no longer dry and ashy after washing my face or after a shower. My skin is much more balanced. I have super dry skin that seems oily because it does not exfoliate on its own b/c of the dryness. As a result, I would get pimples and irritation. If I use the wrong product, I would break out like crazy.

I used to use RoC which has retin-A. It made my skin feel tight and caused me to believe it was working to prevent wrinkles (I hardly have any and people think I am at least 10 years younger). The coconut oil does not give you the tightness that the Retin-A gives you.

The coconut oil has made my skin really moist and soft which the RoC could not do. I used to have to load on so much dry skin face creams just to make my skin feel moist. It sucked because nothing worked properly. But now, I do not have that problem.

If my skin feels tight after oil cleansing, I just dab on a tiny bit.

Victoria is right. You have to use very little oil. When I started out, I was using way too much. It is a learning curve but once you master it, it is soo easy!


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EquiPro, you are right that it is good genetics that have given you good skin, you are wrong if you think that sun exposure does not damage the skin.


Grey Rabbit,

I agree with you on this one.  I've had a few moles that i've had to have removed because of suspected skin cancer, thank god they were benign!.  In my early teens i lived in Florida and i did tan, i'm grateful now that we only lived there for 2 years.  When we moved to California i used to try to get tan but i'd just burn than peel, i cringe now because they say most of the damage done to our skin from the sun is from exposure when we were younger.  Up til we moved to Florida i lived in places where it rained alot like Scotland.  Now in my early 40's i get guessed many times to be at least 10-15 years younger, i attribute most of this to avoiding the sun not genetics.  When i was in my early 20's is when i had my moles removed and after that i became religious about daily sunscreen.  I've seen what sun exposure can do to the skin, especially people my age i can always tell when they were sun worshippers when they were younger.  My friends mom and grandma have had so many problems from years of sun worshipping, all kinds of skin growths removed and cataracts!.  In a way i think not being able to get a tan has saved my skin.

Mickey  

BTW,  I don't have any wrinkles, just a couple fine lines under my eyes.


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I'm pretty wrinkled compared to my little sister. She's lived in the midwest most her life, me, the SW. She's worked indoors, me outside.

I have found a wonderful sunscreen from a local herbalist: white birch, astragalus, green tea, sesame oil, safflower oil, shea butter, zinc oxide, beeswax, vit. E and a variety of essential oils.

I've also started using the coconut oil like passionprincess, I like it and I think my skin is a bit more moisturized by it than by other things.

The skin is an incredible organ, very waterproof by itself, it is very difficult to penetrate, so all the claims that this product or that product removes wrinkles is pretty silly. I think the very best thing to do is go from the inside out, with the BTD or GTD or swami!


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