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Tuesday, July 19, 2011, 4:59pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I have been taking HCl with meals for a little over a year now.  It has definitely, definitely, definitely helped!  I had been consistently losing weight until I started taking it (went from 105lbs to below 80) then gained over 10 lbs after beginning to use HCl.  I then stopped gaining and have been stuck at 90lbs for quite some time and have felt like something still isn't right with the HCl issue.  I recently read that, when taking supplementary HCl, bicarb should be taken 3 hours later.  An alkaline substance would naturally be secreted if the digestive system is working properly to ensure that the extremely acidic contents of the stomach becomes alkaline in the small intestine - otherwise, things just don't work.

Does anyone know anything about this?  Any info, how to take the bicarb, how much?  I'd like to at least give this a try.  Before taking HCl my stool was not digested at all - it wasn't even stool, just unformed chewed up food   Now it is better, but still not as it should be.  I have noticed at times that my stool has a rather acidic smell to it so maybe I'm not producing the needed acids or bases.  So confusing...

Anyway, any insight would be appreciated.  Thanks


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You could try that and see if it works for you. I'd suggest a teaspoon of bicarb in a cup of water, or maybe start with half a teaspoon.


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Alright, I tried it.  3 hours after dinner I took about 1/2 tsp of baking soda in water, but it made my stomach hurt, and I feel like I'm going to throw up.  It feels like there is acid in my throat and cotton balls in my stomach   Maybe I'm better off just taking HCl


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what is HC?
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when i'm taking bicarb i do it on an empty stomach first thing in the morning.

I'm also wondering what HCI is


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Chloridric acid,HCl, which is natural in the stomac as pepsine, but As have less than needed of both often,  A antigen neutralize them.


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Thanks darling, so not an issue for us O's then.


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It's usually not an issue for O's.

I've decided to just stick with the HCl (hydrochloric acid).  It's complicated enough as it is trying to take the right amounts at the right times, and the bicarbonate made me feel absolutely horrible; I ended up taking more HCl to counter-act it.


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if the bicarb is making you feel ill, then it is an idea to take it with something like physilium (or an appropriate bt friendly substance that will soak up the bad stuff the bicarb is killing.

http://www.healing-yourself.com/The-Ultimate-Cleanse.html

"To minimize unpleasant reactions, such as headaches, nausea and other gastro-intestinal discomfort it is preferable initially to take the garlic together with a strong laxative. This is called a flush. An effective flush is with a tablespoon of Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) in a large glass of water. Drink some more water afterwards."

During the following mornings you may use less Epsom salts or take a milder laxative instead, such as psyllium. If you dislike garlic you may put the crushed or chopped garlic into gelatin capsules. If you seem to be allergic to garlic, then use another antimicrobial, such as a teaspoon of bicarbonate, 2 teaspoons of hydrogen peroxide, olive leaf extract, pau d’arco extract or wormwood. Similar if you can use garlic only during the weekend because of social restraints. Alternatively you may start directly with Lugol’s iodine solution.

Other laxatives that may be used for a flush are Glauber Salz or sodium sulfate, castor oil or senna. You may need to experiment with your chosen laxative to find the right amount to take with the garlic so that it is effective within a few hours.

Psyllium is excellent and most recommend for long-term use. If you are not overweight or constipated you may start the Ultimate Cleanse this way instead of using Epsom salts. Psyllium is especially effective for removing endotoxins from the intestines and reducing allergic and autoimmune reactions.

In a large glass of water add a teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate and a heaped teaspoon of psyllium hulls, stir and drink immediately followed by another glass of water. Until you start with the systemic antimicrobial therapy add chopped garlic or another antimicrobial to the psyllium drink but continue adding a teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate as long as there are signs of pain, inflammation, Candida or overacidity. If you suspect intestinal parasites also add MMS or Lugol’s solution or wormwood or essential oils as mentioned below to the psyllium.


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I think it was just because I don't have enough acid.  As soon as I took HCl I felt better.


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Hope this helps - I've been told by my naturopath to start taking Betaine HCl with meals as I don't make enough stomach acid and get indigestion frequently from meals(Same symptoms as over production of acid). Any way I was told to increase my dose from one pill per meal/per day to two pills per meal /per day  and so on until I get the burn afterwards. When I reach that point - decrease the HCl by one tablet per meal/per day and stay at that dose again until I get the burn and continue decreasing the dose as necessary. She said I was re-training my stomach to produce enough acid for meals.  So if you constantly need bicarb (which is neutralizing the acid) maybe you need to decrease your dose.  I do find if my meals aren't large I don't need as much HCl. And right now i swing between 2-3 pills per meal/per day.  I did get up to 4 pills per meal/per day and it didn't take long before I dropped back down to 3 pills per meal/ per day.  

My naturopath thinks my stomach acids got messed up when I was taking alot of antacids like Tums and Protonix because I thought like most people the indigestion was from too much acid but it was actually from not making enough acid - who knew? ( evidently not me!!).  I keep some oat bran tablets in my purse if I'm not as hungry as I thought but took my 3 pills. I haven't had any heartburn for 3 weeks now even in the middle of the night.
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PC - some O'd find psyllium too harsh on the stomach lining...
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