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Jane
Friday, July 15, 2011, 3:41pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I had a physical yesterday with my PCP.  Everything was good except my blood pressure which was ridiculously high....I always get white coat syndrome and I tried to explain that to her but she was still upset about it.  She took it several times and the best she got was 150/110.  I was shocked about the 110.  I don't ever remember it being that high but I was really nervous.  Once I knew that she was going to take it, I can feel myself getting SO nervous about it.  Weight was a little lower than last year which was good (down 8 lbs) but I still need to lose about 20 pounds.  Guess I'll have to get more serious about my sugar addiction.  
Her issue was the supplements.  She thought maybe the supplements were affecting the blood pressure.  I take Deflect, Polyflora, Catechol, Proberry, Collinsonia, Fish Oil and Glycosia from Dr. D. plus CoQ10, Cal Mag Zinc, Glucosamine from WFs, Vitamin D3.  I also started taking a small dose of DHEA which my endo recommended for dry eyes.  Sometimes I wonder if the capsules themselves could be causing problems.  Is there anything in this list that would affect blood pressure.  Should I cut down on anything or just stop some or all for a while?  Yikes.
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I think step one would be to have your blood pressure checked away from the dr's office.  Some drug stores have a blood pressure monitor available for customer use, or you may want to purchase one that you can use at home.

Step two would be to check all your non-DPN supplements and see if there are any avoids in the "inert" ingredients. That's not a bad idea anyway, just for overall good health, but there won't be any additives causing high blood pressure if you don't actually have high blood pressure.


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Last year I had a stress test and my BP was lower right after I got off the tread mill.  I'm sure it's just nerves.  I don't want to go on BP meds!
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Jane,
Don't trust a drug store bp cuff....I got myself all in a twist about bp after one of those readings. Then my doc took my bp and it was normal. So, did you walk up the stairs to the doc? Another thing you might do is buy a bp monitoring cuff so you can check it in the comfort of your own home...I heard (read) niacin is good for lowering bp so I bought some niacinimide (didn't want the "flush"), and so on.....I can't see any problem with the supps you're taking....how about exercize? (...I shouldn't talk, have been pretty lax on that front lately)
Good luck.
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The DHEA may be a contributor. If you are sensitive to steroids even a small amount can affect BP. Also check your BP at home or drugstore, etc, as others have indicated.
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I did walk up the stairs but then I waited for at least a half hour in the waiting room.   The longer I waited, the more nervous I got.  I get nervous about the scale (I don't like scales and I'm like an ostrich with my head in the sand).  Usually it goes down when they take it the second time.  I've been playing golf a few times a week - walking a hilly nine hole course with my clubs on a cart.  Most of the course is uphill.  I always take the stairs at work.  I'm sure it was just nerves.  I think my son has a blood pressure cuff.  I'll borrow it.  
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I was once told that a BP problem is a kidney problem.  I think that may have been over-simplified, but it could be that what you are taking is a lot for your kidneys to handle.  Do you drink a pretty good amount with everything that you take?  

I read once ,and have practiced since, drinking about 12-16 oz of water when I wake in the morning to filter the kidneys.  

You don't drink coffee?  I quit completely 3 yrs ago to help bp.  I took bp meds for a short time, but I got off of them when I started the water in the morning, discontinued coffee completely and lost a few pounds.
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Interesting point.  I take my thyroid meds and colitis meds first thing when I wake up with grapefruit juice.  I know you aren't supposed to take thyroid meds with grapefruit juice but I'd been doing it for so many years that my endo wanted me to keep everything the same.  When I switched ti taking them a night with water for a while, my TSH shot way up so I take them with juice.  Sometimes I take the supplements with water, sometimes with juice, sometimes with a cup of green tea that has cooled.  She wants to check it again on Monday when I go for a blood draw but maybe I'll just buy a BP cuff (or get my son's if he still has it) and start checking myself.  I used to check it at CVS and it was fine but they don't have a machine any more.
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There is one thing I have wondered for a long time.  Do you think there is any correlation between menopause and dry eye syndrome?  It happens to many women, including myself for a time.  It makes me think there is some relation to the balancing of estrogen and progesterone.  I could be wrong but the thought does linger in my head.
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NHG,
Good question.  I wondered about.  Just the small dose of DHEA helps though.  Do you think I'm taking too many supplements?  
J
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dry eye can be helped by omega 3's, which you are using....
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Lloyd,  
I didn't know that DHEA was an issue.  I'll eliminate it and see if it makes a difference.
Jane
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NHG,
Good question.  I wondered about.  Just the small dose of DHEA helps though.  Do you think I'm taking too many supplements?  
J


I don't know, Jane.  You and I take different supplements but my friends wonder why I'm taking so many. Can't win.  
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I'm going to buy a blood pressure cuff.    I have to admit I was pretty freaked out and argumentative. My PCP doesn't know anything about BTD/GTD and when I said I bought most of the supplements from an ND, she was skeptical.  I didn't bother arguing with her but went home and did my own research on the DHEA which she didn't even mention.  I think that may be part of the problem.  Should I get a water pill and try that?
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Bought a blood pressure cuff and at home without even resting for the 10 minutes it recommends, it was 135/78.  I'm obviously less worried.  
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Quoted from Jane
I'm going to buy a blood pressure cuff.    I have to admit I was pretty freaked out and argumentative. My PCP doesn't know anything about BTD/GTD and when I said I bought most of the supplements from an ND, she was skeptical.  I didn't bother arguing with her but went home and did my own research on the DHEA which she didn't even mention.  I think that may be part of the problem.  Should I get a water pill and try that?
Water pills do have a prescripted-for-life reputation.  I am taking one, and am trying to get off it.

Home blood pressure monitors can be totally wrong; you should take it to the pharmacy and calibrate it against the machine there.  I have never used a pharmacy machine (my biceps is 16 inches), but I get measured once a month by my GP, once he has found where he put the large cuff.


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I bought one before I saw your post.  I didn't buy a cheapie one.  BP was OK today...124/77.which was similar to what it was at the pharmacy.  I'm pretty sure it was just my "white coat" syndrome.  I'm getting bloodwork and an EKG tomorrow.....also seeing the Dr. briefly.  
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Saw the Dr. again this morning and it was lower but still high.  I knew it would be because just the idea of taking it at the doctor's gives me "white coat."  I told her I bought a bp cuff and gave her the readings from home.  I told her I thought the only supplement that could be causing it was the DHEA.  She said to come back in 2 months and bring my cuff so she could check the calibration.  Keep exercising, keep losing weight....yadda, yadda, yadda......
I was so panicked about the whole thing that I couldn't sleep last night, felt SO nervous  Watched the whole Red Sox/Rays game through 16 innings and it still took longer to fall asleep.  

I need MORE Catechol, not less!  Ordering more from DPN today.
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If you take a water pill, you will have to be extra careful with your kidneys.
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I've always wondered how much blood pressure and cardio vascular exercise have effect on each other. If one is doing enough cardio their blood vessels are being stretched, and HB is basically hardening of the arteries.   Just a though without much research on my part, as I realize it not as simple as that is but how much could it contribute?


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Maukik,
I didn't take the water pill - just watched the salt over the weekend....didn't even add sea salt when grilling buffalo burgers.  I drank plain water instead of mineral water too.  I'll continue to monitor it and I'll try and be more conscious of sweets, etc.  I could stand to lose some weight - maybe 20 pounds or so.
I appreciate the support and advice.
Jane
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I did walk up the stairs but then I waited for at least a half hour in the waiting room.   The longer I waited, the more nervous I got.  .  


Jane as an A my cortisol so went over the roof ! Siberian Ginseng is good to lower BP as Pineapple, check it with other experts here
best wishes  Maria Giovanna


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hey if you recognized it as a sort of *white-coat-syndrome* so do not lurke forward, it is psychosomatique... come along...calm down, take a fine rhodiola capsule;) ...and look what will happen ...



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Water pills do have a prescripted-for-life reputation.  I am taking one, and am trying to get off it.

Home blood pressure monitors can be totally wrong; you should take it to the pharmacy and calibrate it against the machine there.  I have never used a pharmacy machine (my biceps is 16 inches), but I get measured once a month by my GP, once he has found where he put the large cuff.


If you buy a good one, their readings are pretty good. We checked many out for my mother, and then for the fire dept.  Most checked very closely with the EMTs  

I'd say you could drop the subs the day before and the day of your visit see if there is any difference.



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Thanks, everyone.....good advice.  I love pineapple and I reordered Catechol today (rhodiola rosea).

I'm a typical O I think.  I feel so much better when I'm exercising although sometimes I tend to overdo it and then I'm exhausted.
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