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Mayflowers
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Hi,
I thought we could all post here our vitamin D levels to compare notes.

My oldest son's vitamin D levels were 17 about 6 months ago. I've been giving him 5,000 ius of D when ever I can catch him. He's 21 and always "out with his friends" He eats out as well. But his D levels are now 29 so they're coming up.     Problem was this time he's anemic so I have to give him iron. (genetic issue)

I haven't gotten my levels checked yet..I've been taking 5,000 ius.  I will shortly.

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Hi,
I thought we could all post here our vitamin D levels to compare notes.

My oldest son's vitamin D levels were 17 about 6 months ago. I've been giving him 5,000 ius of D when ever I can catch him. He's 21 and always "out with his friends" He eats out as well. But his D levels are now 29 so they're coming up.     Problem was this time he's anemic so I have to give him iron. (genetic issue)

I haven't gotten my levels checked yet..I've been taking 5,000 ius.  I will shortly.


I don't know what mine were pre vitamin D3 supplementation, but I take 5,000 IU daily and my last test was 60...I was very happy and my doctor who thought I was taking too much, upped his dose when he saw my results...
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Good job getting your son's D levels up, MF...That's progress

Haven't been tested since March but it was 67 then.  So given it was winter and I had received
no sunlight for a long while, taking 5,000 iu per day all winter kept me at a very good number.
Some days I take none....other days 10,000 but I average about 5,000 iu.  I'm doing this for
about 3+ years.


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Mine last year were 33, after I'd been taking 3000-5,000 iu daily for years. My MD told me to take 10,000 iu per day, but I went over that. (The habit of taking a handful of pills never quite left me, even when I switched from 1,000 iu to 5,000 iu pills.) Then, in March, they were up to 83, and my MD told me to drop down to 1,000 iu per day. I ignored her advice, not wanting to become deficient again. I stopped taking it altogether for about a week, and  I'm now taking 5,000 iu per day, when I remember.   I probably take it about 5 days a week.

My Mom just got her blood levels checked, and she's at 30, which HER doctor says is perfectly fine.  


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Thanks Chloe! Thanks for the 5,000 ius suggestion.  


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My Mom just got her blood levels checked, and she's at 30, which HER doctor says is perfectly fine


That's just wrong. My doctor said 32 is normal as well. The range is 32-100 that is normal..Hello?!!
You and Chloe could still be deficient!  I'd like to get mine to up in the 80's.
My level was 25 and I have osteopenia..so that should tell you something. (But could it also be from those years trying to eat low carb?)

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What I've read online is that 50-80 is a healthy level, putting 83 above the healthy range. My labwork stated 30-80 as the healthy range, fortunately my doctor knew better and told me to supplement when my levels came up as 33 (although,  by the time her office staff called to tell me to supplement, she'd forgotten I got that low level taking 5,000 iu a day and told me to take 2,000 iu per day! Only with a repeat phone call did she recomend the 10,000 iu per day.) She did tell me to cut back when it was over 80, which matches what I read online.

I was incredibly frustrated when I researched at that time- even the Vitamin D council listed "theoretical dangers of vitamin D overdose" but never gave a range of lab tests to worry about- just lots and lots of articles about what oral dose could or couldn't become an overdose.

My Mom's lab listed the "healthy range" as 30-100. Now that I see at least one lab listing 100 as the upper limit, I'm thinking I was never in any kind of danger at 83.

Fortunately, she's very comfortable taking supplements, so if I pick up some Vitamin D pills for her, she'll add it to her daily routine. She seemed to think that she was already getting enough, since a few different supplements each provide 100% of the daily value for D, but I explained to her that 800-1200 iu isn't all that much, and I was deficient while taking several thousand iu a day.


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My Mom's lab listed the "healthy range" as 30-100. Now that I see at least one lab listing 100 as the upper limit, I'm thinking I was never in any kind of danger at 83.


That's what I just said..    100 is considered normal So by ND standards..is 67 or 83 still low?
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Oh, and before I forget: is there a quick, simple link to explain to my Mom about the dangers of low vitamin D levels? She's aware of its affect on bone density, but seems to think her vitamin D levels are "fine" because her latest bone density scan showed no problems. I know it can affect other parts of the body, but I've forgotten what.

And where did you get the info that 100 is a "normal" level?


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And where did you get the info that 100 is a "normal" level?


On my lab report. It listed the normal levels and then it lists my level.
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If I keep up my supplemental vitamin D intake to its present level and get some real sun rays this summer, my number should go up.  My D level has been steadily rising...I would like to reach at least 80 but my doctor was happy with 67......said my levels were way higher than his other patients. Most everyone is way too low and many doctors don't even measure D.  Especially growing children.


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From here: http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/

"take 5,000 IU per day for 2–3 months, then obtain a 25-hydroxyvitamin D test. Adjust your dosage so that blood levels are between 50–80 ng/mL (or 125–200 nM/L) year-round.

And there is a table on this next page. I hope it's ok to post links??

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2002/02/23/vitamin-d-deficiency-part-one.aspx
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The problem with links to Mercola's website is that you have to register to read anything, and then they spam me with "newsletters" after I log in, and then when I unsubscribe from the "newsletters" I'm no longer able to read anything on the website again. No thanks. I'll get my information from other sources.


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The problem with links to Mercola's website is that you have to register to read anything, and then they spam me with "newsletters" after I log in, and then when I unsubscribe from the "newsletters" I'm no longer able to read anything on the website again. No thanks. I'll get my information from other sources.


Yeah that's a pain...that was what came up when I googled optimum level...How is your healing from fibromyalgia going. Do you have problems with your thyroid?
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The only time I ever had a diagnosed low thyroid was when I was on a medication that suppresses thyroid function (as a side effect)- when I got off that medication, I was able to get off the synthroid as well. Now I'm sure to eat plenty of iodine in the form of sea vegetables (most of which are diamond or beneficial on SWAMI.)

I've been more tired and sore the past couple of months- the combination of stress and some poor food choices as a result of that stress. I'm slowly rebuilding. I jumped back into SWAMI-recomended portion sizes and frequency, as well as exercise recomendations, two weeks ago, and I overdid things. I forgot all about how I need to ease into things, or the fibro can flare up again. This week I cut my exercise in half (which is still more than I'd been doing before) and today I ate more frequently than I'd been doing the past two weeks.


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The only time I ever had a diagnosed low thyroid was when I was on a medication that suppresses thyroid function (as a side effect)- when I got off that medication, I was able to get off the synthroid as well. Now I'm sure to eat plenty of iodine in the form of sea vegetables (most of which are diamond or beneficial on SWAMI.)

I've been more tired and sore the past couple of months- the combination of stress and some poor food choices as a result of that stress. I'm slowly rebuilding. I jumped back into SWAMI-recomended portion sizes and frequency, as well as exercise recomendations, two weeks ago, and I overdid things. I forgot all about how I need to ease into things, or the fibro can flare up again. This week I cut my exercise in half (which is still more than I'd been doing before) and today I ate more frequently than I'd been doing the past two weeks.


The reason I ask is because I heard there might be a connection between low thyroid and fibromyalgia. Good that you are off of those meds...and rebuilding!! It definitely take times to heal...I guess the days just get better and better. Can I ask how you eat your sea vegetables. I can have dulse, spirulina and wakame but really have a hard time getting it down, right now I'm taking an iodine supplement but want to stop that...and have to find a palatable way to eat them...
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I just munch my sea veggies as a snack. It's definitely an aquired taste, but it's one that I've aquired. I've also been adding them to veggie/bean soups, as DD2 won't take any supplements regularly and I want to make sure she's getting enough iodine.


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I like the roasted nori snacks. I get them at the Asian store usually. My Chinese/Thai boss turned me on to them. Sea's Gift Korean Nori. This brand adds canola oil. Some brands use avoid oils like corn oil so you have to read the labels. They are very tasty.. like eating chips.

I'm thinking I didn't get the stomach virus my sons had last month because my D levels are up there.
Maybe I'll get tested this weekend.
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Interesting comment about vitamin D and staying healthy. DS has had a cough for over a week, and has been under the weather, but not really SICK. I'm doing my best to keep him off sugar and eating plenty of fruits and veggies and beneficial foods, but this cough is still lingering.

Maybe he needs some more vitamin D. I don't think I've given any of the kids D since before Passover, when I re-arranged the kitchen cabinets and moved the supplements. I figured he was probably getting plenty of D, being a redhead who plays outside a lot, but maybe he needs another squirt of vitamin D (I have a dropper bottle with olive oil and D3 that I gave the kids over the winter.)


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Maybe he needs some more vitamin D. I don't think I've given any of the kids D since before Passover, when I re-arranged the kitchen cabinets and moved the supplements. I figured he was probably getting plenty of D, being a redhead who plays outside a lot, but maybe he needs another squirt of vitamin D (I have a dropper bottle with olive oil and D3 that I gave the kids over the winter.)


It's a good idea to have the D levels checked twice a year. Then you won't be wondering.
My son Niki is due for a check. His levels were 25 in Basic.
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He's not due for a visit with the pediatrician until the summer- I plan to ask about vitamin D checks for all 3 of them when I bring them in. I've been getting mine checked 4X a year, but I only started that in the fall, after the kids had seen their doctor.


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I was just talking to a psychologist in my division about my spring allergies and itchy eyes. I usually get them pretty bad every year..for about 2 weeks in the begining of May. This year I got them at the end of April and I hardly had any itching. I few days I used Rx and then it went away! I said to her I bet it's because my D levels are back up again. She agreed. Vitamin D is very subtle on how it improves the immune system. The bones are next to be built back up..  

She also told me she had a patient who's level was 5 !  OMG!
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I was just talking to a psychologist in my division about my spring allergies and itchy eyes. I usually get them pretty bad every year..for about 2 weeks in the begining of May. This year I got them at the end of April and I hardly had any itching. I few days I used Rx and then it went away! I said to her I bet it's because my D levels are back up again. She agreed. Vitamin D is very subtle on how it improves the immune system. The bones are next to be built back up..  

She also told me she had a patient who's level was 5 !  OMG!


We've noticed that we haven't had a cold or flu or anything in a few years now, since taking 5,000 IU a day...
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We've noticed that we haven't had a cold or flu or anything in a few years now, since taking 5,000 IU a day...


My son managed to NOT contract mono from his ex girlfriend...I'm happy to say his immune system is working much better with his levels up to 29.  I give him 5,000 a day if I can catch him. I just gave him a capsule today so I'm happy.  (along with a multi, 2 irons and 2 C 500)  Mind you he's 6'4"  He could probably take 2 multis or 3 .  

I'm shooting for my level to be 100...along with my sons.
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Curious.  What differences have you noticed with your increased D levels?
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It's hard to say, with all the other stuff going on in my life right now. I've felt pretty lousy since my Dad died in March, and I'm not sure how much is stress and how much is a physical reaction to some "bad" foods I ate as a result of that stress. So, overall, I'm feeling pretty lousy these days, in spite of my increased vitamin D levels.


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I think my immune system against viruses has improved. As I said, both my sons had a 48 hour stomach virus a couple of weeks ago, and I didn't get it. Usually I'm pretty susceptible to viruses.
Another thing is bone density. I hope I can reverse the osteopenia.
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I think my immune system against viruses has improved. As I said, both my sons had a 48 hour stomach virus a couple of weeks ago, and I didn't get it. Usually I'm pretty susceptible to viruses.
Another thing is bone density. I hope I can reverse the osteopenia.


Same here...I forgot about the osteopenia, mine was secondary to gluten...grrrrr....other than my food issues, I haven't had a cold, flu, virus, nothing, and that in spite of a persistent low white cell count too...
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It's hard to say, with all the other stuff going on in my life right now. I've felt pretty lousy since my Dad died in March, and I'm not sure how much is stress and how much is a physical reaction to some "bad" foods I ate as a result of that stress. So, overall, I'm feeling pretty lousy these days, in spite of my increased vitamin D levels.


Feel better Ruthie...eat ghee, that makes me feel great!! I think I'm addicted...

Really sorry about your Dad...
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Are most people deficient in Vit D? How much sun does a body need to get in order to maintain their levels? Is Vit D3 found in many foods?

Also, I'm thinking of trying to get my levels checked, but I don't have health insurance (hence no primary doctor). What do I ask for when setting up an appt?


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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Thanks for the link!


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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16850115

http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?id=7227

I can tell when I need to "up" my D because fibromyalgia symptoms return.  Even though my D
level is higher than most...I still feel it's too low.


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Drea,  I just go there and ask the doctor to check my vitamin D levels. If he laughs at you just say you want to know for your own information.   They draw blood at my primary office. They have their own lab there but send out tests like D levels.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16850115

http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?id=7227

I can tell when I need to "up" my D because fibromyalgia symptoms return.  Even though my D
level is higher than most...I still feel it's too low.


Still taking 5,000?
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might be worth looking into as well.......a term Dr D used
helps some form of absorption

how much is too much and how little is too little.......that is the question


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Still taking 5,000?


About that.....some days a little more....but I average 5,000 most days.  I muscle test to see if
I need more.  (I know...not everyone is into muscle testing, but this is how I determine which
supplements I need).


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About that.....some days a little more....but I average 5,000 most days.  I muscle test to see if
I need more.  (I know...not everyone is into muscle testing, but this is how I determine which
supplements I need).


Can you explain how you muscle test, I am interested...
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I can tell when I need to "up" my D because fibromyalgia symptoms return.  Even though my D level is higher than most...I still feel it's too low.


I'm so glad I read this just now! My fibro symptoms have returned, and I wasn't sure why. Last night and this morning, I was truly in pain- that all over muscle soreness that I haven't really experienced in a good long while.

I've been blaming it on the stress of my Dad's death, but maybe it's the vitamin D. When I had my last recheck, my doctor told me my levels were too high and needed to be brought down (and nowhere could I find the info that 83 was still within a safe range) so I stopped taking any D for about a week and then I restarted it at much lower levels. I know this was around the time my Dad died because I remember thinking "OK, I'll resume the D when shiva (the weeklong period of most intense mourning) ends."

I just took 10,000 iu of D3, instead of the 5,000 iu I'd been taking 5-6 days a week. I think I'll resume the 10,000 a  day and stick with that level indefintiely.


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WOW. 10,000 IU a day. The latest bottle of D3 I bought is only 1000 IU, and I've been taking 2-3 caps per day. When this bottle is finished, I'll look for something with a higher dose per capsule. I do have some liquid D3 that is 5000 per dropperful, but I don't like just putting it on my tongue, and forget to add it to my meals.


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For people with fibromyalgia (as Ruthie and I have), it appears that we feel better when our D level
is high... I was feeling rather rotten for the past week and upped my D to 10,000 iu today.  Will stay with it for another week to see if I bounce back.  The typical fibromyalgia trigger points start to ache
when I'm not getting enough D.  Also if I don't spray enough magnesium oil on my body in the
morning, I start getting achy and my mood changes.

Some people might do fine on lower doses of D but those with fibromyalgia really need to be taking
optimum doses.


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I'd been forgetting to do the mag oil last week too. It's often a choice between doing the mag oil in the morning or getting another half hour of sleep. I did it Sunday morning, sunday night, Monday morning, and this morning, but I'd neglected it for about a week prior to that.

I'd cut back on the D in the mistaken beleif that my levels were too high and needed to come down a little. I see now that I was mistaken, and that I need to take way more than 5,000 iu per day to prevent problems. I think I'll keep on taking 10,000 iu per day (two 5,000 iu capsules) all year long in spite of what my doctor keeps saying.


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I'd been forgetting to do the mag oil last week too. It's often a choice between doing the mag oil in the morning or getting another half hour of sleep. I did it Sunday morning, sunday night, Monday morning, and this morning, but I'd neglected it for about a week prior to that.

I'd cut back on the D in the mistaken beleif that my levels were too high and needed to come down a little. I see now that I was mistaken, and that I need to take way more than 5,000 iu per day to prevent problems. I think I'll keep on taking 10,000 iu per day (two 5,000 iu capsules) all year long in spite of what my doctor keeps saying.


Ruthie, when I get up to go to the bathroom around 7 pm even if I'm not ready to get up for
the day, I go into the bathroom, spray 8 pumps into my hand and rub it on one leg...do
the same for the other leg and do the same for each arm...Takes about 30 seconds and then
i go back to bed for another 45 minutes or more.   Then, I can shower because my magnesium been absorbed by then.



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But then I get that salty magnesium stuff into my sheets, which makes my bed less comfortable and I'll have trouble falling asleep at night. I have a lot of issues with going to sleep, and keeping my bed comfortable can mean the difference between falling asleep the first time I go to bed, or not falling asleep, and getting up to read for a few hours,


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But then I get that salty magnesium stuff into my sheets, which makes my bed less comfortable and I'll have trouble falling asleep at night. I have a lot of issues with going to sleep, and keeping my bed comfortable can mean the difference between falling asleep the first time I go to bed, or not falling asleep, and getting up to read for a few hours,


OK....how about your wrap a plain top sheet around your body after spraying yourself, then lie back down in bed -- protecting your bed sheet.





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OK....how about your wrap a plain top sheet around your body after spraying yourself, then lie back down in bed -- protecting your bed sheet.



I spray at night.  If I did that in the morning, I would never be able to go back to sleep.  I noticed that it stings a little when I spray the magnesium oil and sometimes I will itch for a bit.  I do use the swansons magnesium oil.  Either of you feel like that when you put the oil on?
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I spray at night.  If I did that in the morning, I would never be able to go back to sleep.  I noticed that it stings a little when I spray the magnesium oil and sometimes I will itch for a bit.  I do use the swansons magnesium oil.  Either of you feel like that when you put the oil on?


Do you use it at night because it relaxes you so much?  I don't feel tired from spraying it.
32 sprays when I wake up.

I find the spray itches in various places on my body.  Like behind my legs....but not in front of
them....on my torso but not on my arms.   And if I stop using it for a few days, when I go back
to it, I itch all over.  I use the Swanson's mag oil too.  Cheapest and oil comes from the same location as the more expensive brands.  The Zechstein sea bed.

This is interesting...the relationship of D to magnesium

http://evitamind.com/taking-magnesium-with-vitamin-d/


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How much mag. do you get from 32 sprays?



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I just spray it on and massage it in.  I can't say I have ever paid attention to how many sprays I use.  I pretty much itch just about everywhere I spray.

I have a hard time going back to sleep if something really wakes me up, that is it for sleeping.  I have chronic fatigue and fibro too.
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How much mag. do you get from 32 sprays?


8 sprays provides 960mg of Magnesium Chloride (about 100mg of pure elemental
Magnesium)



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The only time my D levels go up is when I get out in the sun for a bit in the summer.  I have gotten them up to the 70's in the summer but even with taking large amounts in the winter 8,000 iu, I plummet to the 30's.  
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About that.....some days a little more....but I average 5,000 most days.  I muscle test to see if
I need more.  (I know...not everyone is into muscle testing, but this is how I determine which
supplements I need).


But, if the fibromalaygia is acting up again, then the muscle testing is not reliable...
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When I had my last recheck, my doctor told me my levels were too high and needed to be brought down (and nowhere could I find the info that 83 was still within a safe range) so I stopped taking any D for about a week and then I restarted it at much lower levels. .


You know I don't think they really know because I just looked at my Lab Corp results again and
it says the range is  32-100 and then right under it, it says:
"Recent studies consider the lower limit of 32 to be the threshold for optimal health"  
Uh,...what? Now why would they have a "range" of 32-100 if they think 32 is perfect? Now what do we do?   Anyone ask Dr. D at the Conference?
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I don't think I ever feel well when my D levels are in the 30's.  Maybe in the summer when my levels are up, it might be sitting in the sun that makes me feel better or the fact that my levels are so much higher.  

My doctor thinks that somewhere in the middle of those lab values is a good place to shoot for.
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I don't think I ever feel well when my D levels are in the 30's.  


When my levels were low 32, I was still picking up every virus. And at 25, I had osteopenia. I'm feeling good now so I'll check them this week if I'm not busy.
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But, if the fibromalaygia is acting up again, then the muscle testing is not reliable...


I guess I wasn't clear.  Yes, if I was muscle testing every day and taking more or less D
according to my results, I'd probably be taking exactly the right amount..but I tend to
test a few days in a row....go back down to 5,000 iu (without testing) because although I feel generally confident that taking a high amount is safe, long term I can't be 100% certain this much is REALLY safe without getting to see blood results of my D levels very often...so I tend to go up and down between 5,000 iu and 10,000 iu like a wave....(believing it's a safer way
to do this) and don't test every single day.....I honestly think I would do best on 10,000 iu per day and am going to keep that up for awhile......at least until I can get some D from natural sunshine.....

And D has to be in balance with magnesium for optimum results.  Often it's not just low D that
causes fibromyalgia pain.....it's low magnesium along with it.  And when I spray mag oil every single morning, diligently, I usually feel pretty okay.  But it's not a guarantee.

Fibromyalgia has so many components...It's feeling tired, worn out, depressed, achy...irritable,
and for me, a lot of high anxiety.  It's a tough balancing act especially when life situations get in the way.  At the moment, I'm stressed because my sister is  struggling with her health.  Stress is really bad for fibro......causes muscular tension...adrenal problems.

So much balancing to do. I eat as optimally well as I can...My immune system appears to be
strong.  Haven't had bad allergies or even a cold for the longest time.   So even with pretty
good D levels....emotional health is also a huge part of feeling really well.

Life goes on!





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Can you explain how you muscle test, I am interested...


One way to do it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USJHqxxIC7Y



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I guess I wasn't clear.  Yes, if I was muscle testing every day and taking more or less D according to my results, And D has to be in balance with magnesium for optimum results.  Often


Why do you have to muscle test all the time? Why can't you just muscle test once and be done with it for the optimum amount of vitamin D to take each day? Not for anything but that sounds kind of OCD to me.  
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It almost always  tingles/itches when I use it. There were some links in the maagnesium thread about that- how it seems to tingle more when the body is low, and tingle less when the body doesn't need so much.

For a while I was using the mag oil twice a day, but that got too cumbersome. Now I use it once a day, although I forgot it several times last week. I'm now trying to get back into a routine with the mag oil and the D and I've also re-introduced the cal/mag/zinc supplement, but only one a day. That provides 500 mg calcium and 250 mg mag (and I forget how much zinc) because I'm afraid of making my minerals imbalanced if I only use the mag oil, and don't  get much calcium. If I was regularly consuming fish bones or bone broth, I wouldn't take the supps, but I haven't been doing that consistently.


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The biochemist that works in my office just told me the new recommendations are 4,000 ius a day.  

Looks like Dr. D was ahead of the game as usual. He recommends 4,000 ius a day.
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I take a lot of magnesium to keep things moving, but I also know I don't absorb anything well that goes into my digestive system.  I am using the magnesium oil but it itches something fierce.  If that means I am low in magnesium, it sure makes it hard to use it more often when you itch like that.
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If the itching is REALLY uncomfortable, you could dilute some with water in a spray bottle. You won't get as much mag per spray, but it will be gentler on your skin.

My guess is that you're REALLY deficient, from not absorbing mag from food or supplements.


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I take a lot of magnesium to keep things moving, but I also know I don't absorb anything well that goes into my digestive system.  I am using the magnesium oil but it itches something fierce.  If that means I am low in magnesium, it sure makes it hard to use it more often when you itch like that.


Do you leave it on 20 mins then rinse it off and it still itches?  I haven't tried it yet and I have sensitive skin.. I'm leery..  Have you tried it on the soles of your feet ?
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Do you leave it on 20 mins then rinse it off and it still itches?  I haven't tried it yet and I have sensitive skin.. I'm leery..  Have you tried it on the soles of your feet ?


I haven't rinsed it off, am I supposed to?  I have not tried it on the soles of my feet.  I do sleep better when I spray liberally at night, that is after the itching stops.
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Do you leave it on 20 mins then rinse it off and it still itches?  I haven't tried it yet and I have sensitive skin.. I'm leery..  Have you tried it on the soles of your feet ?


Newbies who are magnesium deficient are going to itch....It's not like you're going to be jumping out of your skin, but it does feel pretty itchy at times.  I've done a foot soak which is what I recommend if you don't want to try the mag oil in a concentrated form.  Pour an ounce
of mag oil into a pan of warm water and let it cover your feet.  You don't need a lot of water...
it doesn't have to be deep.  Soak for 20 minutes then rinse your feet in clear water.  You will
accomplish the same thing....It's just one way to do it.  Not everyone has time to sit down
to a foot bath.  You can also buy the magnesium chloride in a dry granular form. (crystals/flakes)  
Pour some into warm water and soak your feet or soak in a tub....It's just going to take a lot of
flakes when you combine it with a full bathtub of water.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU495/ItemDetail

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Do you leave it on 20 mins then rinse it off and it still itches?  I haven't tried it yet and I have sensitive skin.. I'm leery..  Have you tried it on the soles of your feet ?


Yes, Chloe said she sprays it on and waits 20 mins and then takes a shower. It only takes 20 mins for the magnesium to absorb into the skin..then you wash it off. I would do the same on the soles of your feet as well..  I haven't tried it period because I'm leery of my sensitive skin.
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I haven't been doing it on my feet because I don't want to sit around doing nothing while the mag oil sits for 20 minutes, and I'm afraid of slipping if the bottoms of my feet are damp, or, alternatively, the mag oil going into the carpet instead of my body. So I cover from my ankles to my neck and the top half of my arms. The last time I did my lower arms and hands, my lower arms were painful- like a sunburn, and it didn't fully heal when I rinsed it off. It's also a hassle having mag oil on my hands and wrists, as then I can't put away dishes, hand wash anything that needs to be washed, prep food, etc, during that time. It works best for me if my hands and feet are clear so I can be productive during those 20-25 minutes.


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Yes, Chloe said she sprays it on and waits 20 mins and then takes a shower. It only takes 20 mins for the magnesium to absorb into the skin..then you wash it off. I would do the same on the soles of your feet as well..  I haven't tried it period because I'm leery of my sensitive skin.


MF, look at my post above.....a less irritating alternative would be adding magnesium flakes
to a bathtub for a 20 minute soak or to a foot bath for same.  You could actually just put some
flakes or oil into some water...place your hands in it and see how it feels....The magnesium will
be absorbed no matter where on your skin you put it.  If it doesn't itch on your palms or tops
of your hands, you could next try it on one arm...diluted of course.


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I've decided to use my extra $ on NAP supps instead of a Vit D test, and start (regularly) taking 5000 IU of Vit D per day for the next 90 days. By then, I'll send away for the home Vit D test and see where I'm at.


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MF, look at my post above.....a less irritating alternative would be adding magnesium flakes
to a bathtub for.


Yes, I know, I saw it Chloe.  We were discussing Magnesium oil, that's why I didn't mention the epsom salt baths.  But thanks for the tips.

Drea, where is there an "at home vitamin D test?"  I pay a $15 co pay to have it done at my primary.
I searched and found some sites that charge from $65-$135 for the test.. I'll stick with my primary.

ruthie, the soles of the feet is a possible not irritating place to apply it for those people who have reactions every where else. It might be worth it to "do nothing" for 20 mins instead of burning and itching on your arms.  I got a rash just from dry brushing.
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(regularly) taking 5000 IU of Vit D per day for the next 90 days. By then, I'll send away for the home Vit D test and see where I'm at.


I don't think 90 days is going to show much of an increase.  It took 4 months to get mine up from 25 to 29 taking 5-10,000 a day. It takes a long time.  Chloe said she took 5-10,000 for 6 months a day to get it up to 50
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Yes, I know, I saw it Chloe.  We were discussing Magnesium oil, that's why I didn't mention the epsom salt baths.  But thanks for the tips.



I'm confused about your post.  This isn't epsom salts .  It's magnesium chloride.  Magnesium sulfate is
epsom salts.  Two different things.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU495/ItemDetail

Magnesium chloride flakes sold on SWANSON'S is just a different form of the same formula. It's concentrated magnesium oil in a flake form/crystal form.  Exactly the same when rehydrated with water as the stuff purchased as a magnesium oil spray.  Just an easier way of application for those who want to put it in a tub or foot bath.  Also it can be made into a spray by just adding water.  It comes from Zechstein sea bed.  Just different processing..


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I'm confused about your post.  This isn't epsom salts


They are both magnesium.  The body would absorb maginesium just as well from epsom salts.. which are way cheaper.  I wouldn't spend money on magnesium oil flakes.

Something else I read said you could use magnesium oil or epsom salts and get the same results.
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I'm still confused.

The Swanson's product is not magnesium sulfate. It's magnesium chloride.  This is what magnesium
oil is and this is what the flake form they sell is.  Not epsom salts.


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OK...you need to understand the difference between the two forms of magnesium.  As a transdermal
form, magnesium chloride is preferred.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/health-library/products/barbara-hendel-magnesium-oil.html


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I just read that both forms of magnesium are required by the body, and that the chloride is used for detoxing.

Yeah, your first link, is all over the place. One guy.  But I like the pubmed link
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I do detox baths with epsom salts and baking soda.
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I do detox baths with epsom salts and baking soda.


I like your idea.. a lot cheaper.. I remember my mother telling me that after soaking in epsom salts, you have to shower because it would cause itching. So it seems to do the same thing to the skin as the chloride.
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http://www.ehow.com/list_5910934_magnesium-sulphate-side-effects.html

http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?id=23699
(scroll down to warnings)

contains aluminum

I realize they're talking about injection of magnesium sulphate but being used transdermally, it's absorbed into
the body just the same.


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I like your idea.. a lot cheaper.. I remember my mother telling me that after soaking in epsom salts, you have to shower because it would cause itching. So it seems to do the same thing to the skin as the chloride.


I don't itch after using the epsom salts and baking soda.  I do not wash it off.  After a bath in this, I sleep much better.
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Cool!  I buy the big box of epsom salts from Costco. They also have a ginormous bag of baking soda in the spice isle.  
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I got this from the Epsom salt facebook page..

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Epsom Salt, I love you. I wish I had met you sooner. You are so wonderful at easing my Fibromyalgia symptoms after I clean my house like a madwoman.


Thanks Kim.. I have a BJ's membership.. I'll have to see if they have epsom salts there in bulk..
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I got this from the Epsom salt facebook page..



Thanks Kim.. I have a BJ's membership.. I'll have to see if they have epsom salts there in bulk..


I hope soaking in them helps you.  At the end of the day, my muscles are so tight that it is very difficult to even get to the place where I can relax and go to sleep.  I try to do this detox bath three times a week.  In the winter time, I do it more often because I am always cold.  It really helps the pain level and relaxes me enough so that I can at least go to sleep.  Staying asleep is another issue.  
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I found some D3 5000 IU in a "under the tongue" tablets (sorry I can't remember the correct term and I have Otto laying on my lap and I don't want to move him to look at the bottle). It will be easy to to double the dose, if I so choose.


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I found some D3 5000 IU in a "under the tongue" tablets (sorry I can't remember the correct term and I have Otto laying on my lap and I don't want to move him to look at the bottle). It will be easy to to double the dose, if I so choose.

sublingual



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Mayflowers,

I know it is as easy as pie, I tried to quote the part of the post I wanted to quote but sometimes "little things" such as making a quote which almost everyone on this board knows how to do (and I couldn't even find it in help or search    (big sigh)

Anyway, I know this whole thread is about Vitamin D levels and such.  I've been currently taking 5,000 mg a day and may up it.  I do want to know what my level is and as you said it takes some time to find out.  

I wanted to comment though on your mentioning that "dry brushing caused a rash.  When dry brushing was first mentioned it certainly worked for alot of people here.  I got the recommended brush and perhaps I was brushing a tad too much.  But I did develop an itching patch on my left ankle.  Actually that's the same ankle/calf I've been dealing with for the last six months.  I'm not saying that it caused anything I just wanted to comment.

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Joy, did you see the link that someone posted regarding a home test to check for Vit D levels? It's $65, but may be worth it if you don't have health insurance (I don't).


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Well, I seem to be having an "out of mind" experience today because I tried to delete l post.


Today has been "one of those days"  I had a few  other "faux pas" earlier in the day.

"Beam Me Up Scotty"!!!!!


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Drea,

Yes, I did see that about the home test.  I have insurance but I don't know for how long.

I may invest in that.  Thanks.

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I found some D3 5000 IU in a "under the tongue" tablets (sorry I can't remember the correct term and I have Otto laying on my lap and I don't want to move him to look at the bottle). It will be easy to to double the dose, if I so choose.


Drea...what brand are the sublingual D's you take?
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I hope soaking in them helps you.  At the end of the day, my muscles are so tight that it is very difficult to even get to the place where I can relax and go to sleep.  

I also recommend the shiatsu massage pillow or chair pad that Sharper Image makes. All my stress usually goes into my back or shoulders and when I strained my back, I bought the pillow.. about $49 at Macy's because they didn't have any chair pads and immediately I fell the stress and knots in my back losening up and after a week using it 15 mins before bedtime.. it feels so good.. and it relaxes me, my back is all better now    It has vibration, massage, heat .  I'm going to get the chair pad when it goes on sale. This is better than getting a massage because at least you get the same massage every time.
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I also recommend the shiatsu massage pillow or chair pad that Sharper Image makes. All my stress usually goes into my back or shoulders and when I strained my back, I bought the pillow.. about $49 at Macy's because they didn't have any chair pads and immediately I fell the stress and knots in my back losening up and after a week using it 15 mins before bedtime.. it feels so good.. and it relaxes me, my back is all better now    It has vibration, massage, heat .  I'm going to get the chair pad when it goes on sale. This is better than getting a massage because at least you get the same massage every time.


I have herniated discs up and down my entire spine.  I am not sure that the shiatsu won't aggravate that.  I will watch for the sales on that.  
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I know it is as easy as pie, I tried to quote the part of the post
Anyway, I know this whole thread is about Vitamin D levels and such.  I've been currently taking 5,000 mg a day and may up it.  I do want to know what my level is and as you said it takes some time to find out.  

I wanted to comment though on your mentioning that "dry brushing caused a rash.  When dry brushing was first mentioned it certainly worked for alot of people here.  I got the recommended brush and perhaps I was brushing a tad too much.  But I did develop an itching patch on my left ankle.  Actually that's the same ankle/calf I've been dealing with for the last six months.  I'm not saying that it caused anything I just wanted to comment.Joy

Hi Joy,  
That's a great name..  Just click on "Quote" above the post you want to quote and type underneath the quoted message ...after you see the [/quote] then you can type underneath.
As far as vitamin D, I go to my doctor's office and they draw the blood there and I get the results in 7 days. Not too bad. Drea doesn't have health insurance so she's thinking of spending a lot to have a test mailed out. I don't know how accurate they are but .. it's an option.

Yeah, the dry brushing. A lot of members here do it. I did it for about a month and I started breaking out in a rash from it.. I didn't think I was brushing too hard, but in the GenoType Diet book Dr. D recommends it for Nomads specifically...If I remember correctly. So, I think other blood types can be too sensitive for it, but Lola swears by it and she's an O. I seem to do best with a body scrub in the shower but the body brushing is supposed to make the lymphatic system healthy.. perhaps if we don't brush too hard and really clean the brush..maybe it would work for A's.
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I have herniated discs up and down my entire spine.  I am not sure that the shiatsu won't aggravate that.  I will watch for the sales on that.  


One way to do it is to try one of those chairs at Brookstone in the malls. You can sit in it and try it for free.  Funny, one time I sat in the chair pad but I felt awkward because it was in the store and my back hurt a little the next day.. It might have been because I tensed up feeling like everyone was watching me.. But having the pillow at home, it was like getting a massage and I can move the pillow up or down to fit the areas.. maybe that's why..

Chloe had a massage cane that she bought to do a self massage, which gave me an idea but I wanted to not have to use my arms, that's why I decided to get the pillow so I can just relax  and sit in bed and turn it on..

http://www.sharperimage.com/si/view/product/Shiatsu-Massage-Pillow/100292?question=massage pillow

This is the one I have.
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Sharper Imagine still exists?   Didn't they close all their retail stores?  Don't see them in malls
anymore.  I have a really old Sharper Imagine massage chair.....Like the pillow but it's a chair
and the massaging mechanism goes up and down your back.  It vibrates but doesn't have heat.

Oh, I have a theracane....which is really cool if you can't carry your great big chair around...
http://www.amazon.com/Thera-Ca.....306530779&sr=8-1


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Yeah, the dry brushing. A lot of members here do it. I did it for about a month and I started breaking out in a rash from it.. I didn't think I was brushing too hard, but in the GenoType Diet book Dr. D recommends it for Nomads specifically...If I remember correctly. So, I think other blood types can be too sensitive for it, but Lola swears by it and she's an O. I seem to do best with a body scrub in the shower but the body brushing is supposed to make the lymphatic system healthy.. perhaps if we don't brush too hard and really clean the brush..maybe it would work for A's.


Well, I certainly want to thank you "MF".  

I really would like to know my Vit. D levels.  I'm not sure how I'm going to accomplish that at this time because at present I will be having gum surgery in about two weeks and I also found out I need a root canal.  Thank God I also have dental insurance at this time.

I do believe that dry brushing is good for a lot of people.  I also feel that my skin is very sensitive may be because of being an A blood type.  Not sure about that.  But the brushing didn't work for me.  I understand that rebounding is good for the lymph system.  I've been sporatic in using it and when I did a few days ago I broke a spring.  Boing!!!  Need a new one that folds up.  There's never enough storage space in my opinion.

I read that you have one of those shiatsu pillows and will consider getting a chair.  Every time I go into the local Bed, Bath, and Beyond I sit for a few minutes in their demo massage chairs.
The only consideration with the chair is, for me at least, there doesn't seem to be enough padding between the person and the mechanism.  But, after a few minutes I do feel my back relax a little.

We all have to figure out what works best for us it seems.

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Drea...what brand are the sublingual D's you take?


Superior Source. I also saw that same brand at another store that was 10,000 IU per tab.


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Sharper Imagine still exists?   Didn't they close all their retail stores?  Don't see them in malls


Yes, they're still selling on line even though they closed the stores.  The new massage chair pad has shiatsu balls that go up and down and it feels like someone using their fingers to kneed your muscles. omg it feels so good. I went to the mall and had a oriental girl massage me and she made it worse! She was pushing on my shoulder and pulling on my joints!     I was so annoyed and when you try to tell them to stop, they don't understand or they already did the damage. I won't go back to them again. I'd rather just have the massage pad. At least I know what to expect from it.
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I read that you have one of those shiatsu pillows and will consider getting a chair.  Every time I go into the local Bed, Bath, and Beyond I sit for a few minutes in their demo massage chairs.
The only consideration with the chair is, for me at least, there doesn't seem to be enough padding between the person and the mechanism.  But, after a few minutes I do feel my back relax a little.


You're welcome   The pillow has more padding than the chair pad so it might be better. What I liked about the pad was the massage rollers went all the way up to my neck almost so I don't have to re position it like the pillow.  I also would like to see how long this pillow lasts before it breaks.. lol..
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I had my vitamin D levels checked. After taking 5,000 ius and sometimes 10,000 ius of Now brand vitamin D3, since June of 2010, my level is now.... 40  WT...?  
My level came up faster when I was taking Rx D2.   I wonder if I'd do better on that because it's not an animal form of D..?  This is disappointing. I was expecting at least 60-70.    Either that or it takes a heck of a long time to get your levels back up once you're deficient.  Plus the fact that I'm now allergic to the Now brand. I broke out in a rash from it.
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You may have simply been taking too small a dose MF. I was taking 4,000-5,000 iu daily when I got my first low reading. Try taking 10,000 iu daily for a while and see what that does for you.

Is the NOW brand in olive oil or soybean oil? The one I currently have is in olive oil.


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When you are really deficient in anything, it takes a long time at high doses to "recover".  Although it does depend on the absorption amount.  This is especially true when it has wide usage, as Vitamin D has.  All of the cells are grabbing from the bloodstream to build their individual levels, so the quantity in the bloodstream remains at a low level until the cells are satisfied.  Once the cells are satisfied, the blood levels will rise very quickly.


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You may have simply been taking too small a dose MF. I was taking 4,000-5,000 iu daily when I got my first low reading. Try taking 10,000 iu daily for a while and see what that does for you.

Is the NOW brand in olive oil or soybean oil? The one I currently have is in olive oil.


It' olive oil and the D is made from Lanolin.. sheep wool?  Oh..that's great I didn't realize that. Lamb and mutton is an avoid for me  

I talked to a couple of doctors today about it and they said "How about getting some sun?"   Maybe it would work better that way.. lol..

Joe the problem could have been that I had trouble aborsbing it due to it being made from sheep wool.
Chloe takes it and her levels came right up.  She's a Teacher who can have Lamb
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It' olive oil made from Lanolin.. sheep wool?  Oh..that's great I didn't realize that. Lamb and mutton is an avoid for me  

I talked to a couple of doctors today about it and they said "How about getting some sun?"   Maybe it would work better that way.. lol..


http://www.vibranthealth.us/?p2=/customcode/vibranthealth/viewcomments.jsp&bid=16

http://www.welltellme.com/discuss/index.php?topic=25938.0

http://blog.rockwellnutrition......-lambs-wool-lanolin/

This D appears safe, but how does one know it's lanolin free?  Is lanolin supposed to be listed on the label?
http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Su.....&key=vitamin%20D


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I found  quite a few vegetarian vitamin D brands  (Ergocalciferol) and Now brand makes
a 1,000 iu vitamin D cap. I'd have to take 5 but if I don't get a reaction to it, that's good.  
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That's just disgusting.. Those links.. thanks Chloe.
I can't believe I didn't read the label..!     I'm getting either fish oil or
vegetarian version of D.  You meat eaters can have your D3!  
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Is the NOW vegetarian formula D2 or D3?


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What did you find disgusting about those links MF?

It sounds to me like virtually all D3 is sourced from lanolin. For most people, D3 is better absorbed than D2. But it sounds like you absorb D2 better than D3, possibly because of your intolerance to lamb.


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Is the NOW vegetarian formula D2 or D3?


I think it's D2
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What did you find disgusting about those links MF?.


Just the whole process of making the D3 out of the sheep's wool... and then we eat it ! Yuck. You're eating hair you know.  I ordered the Now brand vegetarian vitamin D and it's only 1,000 ius...I'll have to take more.  I'm really going to try to get sun this year.
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My doc here where I work just gave me an article on D saying that 80 is the preferred level now !  Mine is 40. It took me a year to get it to 40 from 25! But this biochemist recommends1,000 ius a day and if you're deficient, 3-5,000 ius a day. She also said D3 is more effective than D2. This doc also spoke of 'target range of 60-160' and under that is considered vitamin D deficient. So get your levels checked people.  
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I'm more mad than ever that I thought my levels were too high at 83 and cut back on supplementation. Stupid PCP!!!  

I'm back to taking 10,000 iu per day, plus trying to spend as much time in the sun as I can. I'm not sure when I'm supposed to get my levels re-tested. Wait, I last got them tested in March, and she said to test every 3 months- so I should have had them tested again in June. oops.


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It took me 6-7 months to go from 14 to 33. My mom's doctor said 14 was not "low" but low enough to take rx vitamin D. The endocrinologist had put me on weekly rx of 10,000 D2 plus daily 1,000 of D3.

During my 7 month visit, a few weeks ago, he said to reduce my weekly 10k to monthly and continue taking 1,000 D3 daily.

I decided to take 2,000 D3 daily instead since the doctor was talking about getting enough sun exposure during the summer to build up for the winter months. After spending 2 winters really tired, sick, and debilitated, I do not want to risk low levels, period!

When my Vit D was at 14, I could not get out of bed and function for more than 2 hours at a time... and this was with over 35oz of coffee. It was tough taking a shower, too, because I would have such bad shortness of breath. I was scared of passing out in the shower and not being found for days since I live alone.  


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Totally true!

One symptom of Vit D deficiency is padding of the abdominal area and inability to lose weight there. I noticed that once my vit D levels got higher, my belly area softened and the weight is coming off better. In addition, my appetite decreased significantly (by 50%). It turns out when the body is deficient in something, the appetite is increased in hopes that the individual will eat in large amounts to try and alleviate the deficiency by picking up nutrients along the way.

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When you are really deficient in anything, it takes a long time at high doses to "recover".  Although it does depend on the absorption amount.  This is especially true when it has wide usage, as Vitamin D has.  All of the cells are grabbing from the bloodstream to build their individual levels, so the quantity in the bloodstream remains at a low level until the cells are satisfied.  Once the cells are satisfied, the blood levels will rise very quickly.




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Your D levels are only up to 33 and your doctor wants to lower the amount of D you're taking??

I've been taking 10,000 iu of vitamin D3 DAILY and my levels went from 33 to 83 in about 4 months. I buy the 5,000 iu pills and take two a day.


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Yes. I was 33 as of June 20th or so. He wants me to continue on 10k monthly and do 1k daily until I see him again in 6 months. I guess he wants to keep me as a "repeat customer". He said if I start feeling tired or shortness of breath before my 6 months check-up, to get lab tested immediately and come and see him. I realized that my levels and health will not improve if I follow his directions so I decided to take 2k instead, for now. I am thinking of increasing the dosage when it gets closer to winter.

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Your D levels are only up to 33 and your doctor wants to lower the amount of D you're taking??

I've been taking 10,000 iu of vitamin D3 DAILY and my levels went from 33 to 83 in about 4 months. I buy the 5,000 iu pills and take two a day.




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Did you need rx for 5k?

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Your D levels are only up to 33 and your doctor wants to lower the amount of D you're taking??

I've been taking 10,000 iu of vitamin D3 DAILY and my levels went from 33 to 83 in about 4 months. I buy the 5,000 iu pills and take two a day.




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I bought the 5,000 iu pills in the health food store. It was on the shelf next to bottles of 1,000, 2,000, and 400 iu.

When I first increased my dose to 10,000 iu, I only had the 1,000 iu pills in the house. So I took 10 a day until the bottle was finished.


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Ruthiegirl, thank you! I will definitely do that. Vitamin D deficiency is my worst enemy right now. It affected my school work. (Un)fortunately, I am fully-funded for my schooling. IF I do not produce satisfactory work on time (which is difficult to do with my health conditions), I can get "cut" at any given time (I am also on stipend so they pay for my living expenses). So you can imagine the stress I am under on top of my health issues.


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It took my doctors 8 blood tests for different things to finally realize I had a Vit. D deficiency. Given that I am from Los Angeles where I got tons of sunshine should have been a huge indicator... but no.... they charged up my health insurance tons of money for labs!   My co-pay was not pretty since I got slapped with a 300 dollar bill (huge huge amount on a grad student's income) and paid out of pocket for my osteopath (whom I got referred to by one of my professors because the school health center docs did not give a flying rat's tail about my conditions and called them "complaints").


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I buy sublingual 5K IU of Vit D3 at the hfs, and this particular company makes a 10K version. SuperiorSource Microlingual instant dissolve tablets. I like them because I already take astaxanthin that has a gelatin capsule (gelatin is an avoid for me), and didn't want to take any other gelatin capsules.


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@ Drea: Thanks! After being so sick and having difficulty at school, I am trying to do everything in my power to get my vitamin D levels high enough so I do not have to worry in the winter.


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My Vit D levels were "so low I don't know how you get out of bed.." said my GP in 2009, since taking 3000 - 5000 iu per day of vit d and two bio iron tables with vit c.  My Vit D blood levels have risen from 32 back then to 67 in 2010 to 97 this year.  I have been anemic since I was 15 so the iron supplements are necessary but I would never have guessed I needed Vit D too as I live in the "sunny country"  but I think as we get older our skin loses the ability to make enough Vit D and with the huge sunscreen message the government here pushes our skin rarely sees the sun.....
Since taking them I am definately less tired and I rarely get "bugs" that are going around which I used to get all the time.  I hate taking tablets everyday but the results speak for themselves - I won't stop taking them now, may have to reduce the amount though if the levels get too high!!!
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Serenity, wow! Out here, the doctors did not think 14 was too low! It was enough for me to be constantly sick and sluggish. I would use a tanning bed just to stimulate uvb. I would lay in it for under 10 minutes since I have Asian skin. I did get a bit dark but I did it for the vit. d production. It helped a lot because I was feeling better after the sessions but it made my skin and hair super dry.

I am hoping that taking the extra 1k daily will keep me from having to visit the tanning bed in the winter.


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Hmm I wonder if Aust have different measures to the US like the ounces vs ml??  But anyway I feel soooo much better for it and I have recently read articles stating that low Vit D can be also linked to some types of cancer so for the family now it is a must!!!
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I finally got my Vit D tested, and while the doctor told me my number was fine, I think it's still a tad low: 56. I'll stick with the 5000 IU's daily for a couple of months (how long should I wait to get tested again?), then ask for a re-test. Who knows where my level was when I first started taking the Vit D in the first place a couple of months ago..


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You're doing better than me Drea.  I was at 40 in the spring after taking 5-10 thousand for a year. I don't know what my absorption problem is..   This Spring/Summer, I was walking at least 30 mins a day in the sun, trying to wear a take top, and shorts with no sunscreen. You have to expose a lot of skin.

Plus I was taking 5,000 ius a day. I have a light tan but I didn't bake on the beach this year.. I still feel lousy. I'm still tired and experience mild depression.  The only thing I noticed is my immunity to viruses is a little better. I bought a bottle of vegetarian vtiamin D but I heard from Chloe that she read and sent me links, that the vegetarian form could be toxic in the body.   So  another question to ask Dr. D.
I like to get tested twice a year because I was really deficient.  Drea you could get away with once a year I think. What do you think?
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Dr. John Cannnell, the foremost Vitamin D researcher formulated what he believes belongs in a Vitamin D supplement.  This is his patented formula.  I was thinking two things.  One is that nothing
about Vitamin D research ever considered individuality....neither blood type nor genotype...so from
that perspective, is it possible that we all have a different average target to reach.  Ideally, the
vitamin D the Vitamin D council says we should have might not really apply if this subject were
explored based on our specific genetics.  I mean how is it possible that people living in Siberia
would ever get the same amount of sun as those living in Africa?  And if Vitamin D had to do with
immunity and longevity based on us all reaching a level of optimum D, I'm wondering how those
in Siberia survived and had offspring that were even moderately healthy IF all was depending in
having a high level of Vitamin D.

This is Dr. Cannell's Vitamin D formula ingredients.....Even if you don't take any of the ingredients
as supplement form, perhaps the foods that contain these ingredients might help absorption.

Vitamin D's influence on key biological functions vital to one's health and well-being mandates that vitamin D3 supplementation can no longer be ignored by individuals striving to achieve and maintain a greater state of health.* Formulated by the Executive Director of the Vitamin D Council, Dr. John J.Cannell, Purity's new Vitamin D3 Complex is a synergistic blend of Vitamin D3 with several targeted nutrients which complement many of the Vitamin D3's desirable health benefits.*

Going Beyond D3

In addition to the powerful dosage of Vitamin D3, Dr. Cannell's Advanced D Formula™ delivers a combination of several cutting edge nutritional ingredients shown to synergistically help promote proper Vitamin D metabolism and utilization in the body.*

Fruitex B® is a patented boron/calcium complex that has been shown to uniquely support normal Vitamin D metabolism, maintain healthy joint comfort and flexibility, and promote healthy bones.*

Vitamin K2 is a special form of Vitamin K that has been researched for its special ability to support bone health, arterial health and cardiovascular health. Working in combination with Vitamin D, Vitamin K2's main job is to help make sure that calcium winds up in the right places, like the bones, and not in the wrong places, like blood vessel walls.*

Magnesium Citrate is a key mineral that is involved in hundreds of enzymatic processes in human cells. As a supplement, Magnesium Citrate plays a key role in bone health, immunity, cardiovascular health, muscle and nerve function, and many other essential areas. Dr. Cannell's Advanced D features Magnesium Citrate because it has been shown to be advantageous in terms of absorption.*

Taurine is an important amino acid that plays a key role in muscle and nerve tissue function. Research also suggests that Taurine may play a useful role in promoting healthy Vitamin D metabolism.*


I'm still perplexed by the range of acceptable D levels.  My sister who had a brain tumor had her
D measured and it was 34...Her doctor said "it's within the range, so you're fine".  I was screaming
inside my head (because I know my sister wouldn't listen to ME over her doctor)....but still, there
must be something about D levels for some people that might be okay at lower level while for
others, it needs to be higher.


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Even if the "healthy range" of vitamin D is about the same in all people (which it may not be) we'd still need individual routes to get there. The traditional people in Siberia may have gotten their vitamin D from consuming certain animal fats, while those in Africa got it from the sun.

For most people, D3 is the better absorbed form, but somebody on this thread (was it Drea?) found the exact opposite for her personally- her body couldn't use the D3, but the vegetarian D2 was well absorbed by her Type A body. And some of us simply need much higher doses than others to acheive healthy levels. I became deficient when taking 5,000 iu of D3 daily, but brought my levels up quickly by taking 10,000 iu daily.

I had my vitamin D level re-tested last week, and my 16yo daughter was tested for the first time the same day. I'm still waiting for our lab results. My doctor wanted me to get the level re-tested every 3 months, but I slacked on that a bit, and it will only work out to 3 times this year: the first test in November, a re-test in March and then another in August. It should have been February, May, then August. In 3 more months it will be November again and time for another physical and re-doing all my labs.


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Wow! My recent lab showed that I was at 33 and my doctor said it was good! I measured at 14 when I was sick and kept getting sick. The doctor just said my level was "low" and my mother's doctor said that it was "moderately low". I barely had any energy and could not function for more than 3-4 hours a day with 40 oz of coffee! So you can imagine how bad it was. I had severe shortness of breath, too.

Ruthiegirl mentioned Chloe's post about doing better on D2 than D3. I am on both right now. However, Mark from this forum told me to cut out the D2 and only take D3. He sent me a youtube link. I found other research that supported the link he sent me. So far, I am doing quite well.

I am hoping that my levels are getting better. It is a bit disconcerting knowing that my doctors did not think my vit. D. level of 14 was bad.

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I'm still perplexed by the range of acceptable D levels.  My sister who had a brain tumor had her
D measured and it was 34...Her doctor said "it's within the range, so you're fine".  I was screaming
inside my head (because I know my sister wouldn't listen to ME over her doctor)....but still, there
must be something about D levels for some people that might be okay at lower level while for
others, it needs to be higher.




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Hmm I wonder if Aust have different measures to the US like the ounces vs ml??  But anyway I feel soooo much better for it and I have recently read articles stating that low Vit D can be also linked to some types of cancer so for the family now it is a must!!!
Hi Serenity - I just had my levels checked recently while in Aus & they came back as low - measured 25, from memory - in the lowest bracket they can be

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Wow! My recent lab showed that I was at 33 and my doctor said it was good! I measured at 14 when I was sick and kept getting sick. The doctor just said my level was "low" and my mother's doctor said that it was "moderately low". I barely had any energy and could not function for more than 3-4 hours a day with 40 oz of coffee! So you can imagine how bad it was. I had severe shortness of breath, too.

Ruthiegirl mentioned Chloe's post about doing better on D2 than D3. I am on both right now. However, Mark from this forum told me to cut out the D2 and only take D3. He sent me a youtube link. I found other research that supported the link he sent me. So far, I am doing quite well.

I am hoping that my levels are getting better. It is a bit disconcerting knowing that my doctors did not think my vit. D. level of 14 was bad.





Just to set the record straight...I think it was Mayflowers who said she had trouble with D3
and took a prescription D2 supplement which brought her D level up somewhat...but nearly enough.  She didn't get anywhere near the great results Ruthie did taking 10,000 iu of D.

And for the first time my D was ever tested, I had only been taking 2,000 iu of D for about 3-4
years.  My blood level was 55...the highest my doctor had ever seen in a patient...But of course,
his other patients obviously weren't taking any D.

I took only D3....made by NOW....and then I upped my dose to 5,000.  After I broke my pelvis
and arm, I took 10,000 all winter....trying to heal bones...although orthopedist said "that's
way too much".  Didn't care...My level got up to 68 in a few months....but still, Ruthie got into
the 80s with that much.

SO is there something about absorption?  Blood type?  Genetics?  And the source of the product
or food?  I'm certainly not someone who sits in the sun very much.  When my level was 55, I
was not a sun worshiper.....I wasn't in the sun much growing up either, even though I lived in the
south...I guess I don't really like being in the sun more than a few minute at a time...the light
bothers me...And then my osteopath said to me....being annoyed by the light is a central nervous
system issue....sympathetic/parasympathetic thing...He can adjust me and suddenly the light
doesn't bother me....but I noticed, after a month on Cortiguard, I don't mind being in bright
light....Found that really interesting...

Stress unbalances the sympathetic nervous system....and therefore kept me out of sunlight
because my eyes couldn't adjust to bright light when I was unbalanced.  

http://www.cs.unc.edu/Research/MIDAG/pubs/papers/ISBI04-Jomier-pupil.pdf

Sorry, off topic....but vitamin D levels are really too low in most people who are tested.






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Oops! Did not mean to confuse you with another poster, Chloe!

Yeah, it is funny how my doctor minimized my condition because I was really bad. I am taking 10,000 of D3 daily right now.


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Oops! Did not mean to confuse you with another poster, Chloe!

Yeah, it is funny how my doctor minimized my condition because I was really bad. I am taking 10,000 of D3 daily right now.


It's fine....so much going on here....as long as we know we're talking about vitamin D...

I think you'll feel a lot better getting your D level up some.

Doctors are really so confused about calling the lower end of a spectrum normal..If a person is at the very lowest point of a range that spans 80 points or more, how could that be perceived as normal?

BTW....I've posted this link many times before but this is the Vitamin D Council.....to me, it's the
gold standard for current information about vitamin D.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health-conditions/?gclid=CMOvlPih66oCFQmD5QodFS5xPg

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/how-to-get-your-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-supplementation/


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For most people, D3 is the better absorbed form, but somebody on this thread (was it Drea?) found the exact opposite for her personally- her body couldn't use the D3, but the vegetarian D2 was well absorbed by her Type A body.


It wasn't me .



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My doctor said that 56 was "fine", too. And even though I liked her as a PCP, she was absolutely *not* about alternative health care. I wondered for a split second whether to talk to her about my lifestyle/food plan, but realized (by several of her own comments) that it would have fallen on deaf ears.  

She told me to stop taking 5000 IU's of D3, and to go down to 800 IU's per day. Not.


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Since it has not been mentioned recently, I thought I would point out that DPN sells vitamin D, in a formula along with strontium and Vitamin K.

More info:

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP066


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Hi Serenity - I just had my levels checked recently while in Aus & they came back as low - measured 25, from memory - in the lowest bracket they can be



Thanks for the update possum - yours are very low too....I have just got a test back and the GP said the levels were good now, I will question the numbers when I go in next.  I take 4-5000 iu of D3 per day now and try to get sun on my hands and face a couple of times a week - not easy when it is so cold!!!
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OK, I got the lab results for my 16yo daughter (but I'm still waiting for my doctor to call back with my results.) Her Vitamin D level is 58.  Does this mean she doesn't need to supplement?


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Yes it was me that has trouble with D3. I was taking it again and I'm breaking out in a rash. grrr.
I looked up D2 on PubMed and all the studies or most of them that showed an improvement in a condition was using D2.  I might have to take D2 and maybe even go to a tanning salon because what else is my option?  Anyone actually go to a tanning salon for that purpose?  It's interesting that a year of 5-10 thousand ius a day only got my levels up to 40

I'm trying to get my D levels up to 90's or so. I'm getting tested again in September. Normal range is 32-100 but I think 32 is very low because Chloe's sister got a brain tumor with 34. Cancer is one of the risks that increase with low D levels
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58 seems good for now but when winter hits, the levels will drop unless she continues to supplement. My doctor told me to try and build up my levels in the summer in preparation for winter. I am at 33 (as of the end of June) which is much better than 14!

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OK, I got the lab results for my 16yo daughter (but I'm still waiting for my doctor to call back with my results.) Her Vitamin D level is 58.  Does this mean she doesn't need to supplement?




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Hmm, my levels tested at 56, which I think is low (though my doctor thought I should drop down the D3 that I'm currently taking from 5000 IUs to 800 IUs a day...not). I'd like to get myself up to the 75-80 range.


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I read that you shouldn't take calcium at the same time as strontium.  If you take the NAP vitamin D with strontium, you should take calcium at the opposite end of the day.  

Any one else heard this?
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Yes. the strontium will compete with other minerals for absorption and it will lose. It's best to take strontium on an empty stomach with no other minerals.
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OK, the nurse called me back today. My current vitamin D level is 64. That's with taking 10,000 iu per day and trying to remember to sit in the sun for 10 minutes around noontime (admittedly, I haven't been very consistent about that.)

I only got my levels up to 83 by taking 15-20 iu some days and not really paying attention to how many pills I was taking daily, nor of how many it was for the whole week.

I clearly need to keep taking 10,000 iu as a daily maintenance dose indefinitely.


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Ruthigirl's results are why I'm shocked and disappointed that my own PCP (who is mainstream Western medicine) is telling me to back off to 800 IUs per day.


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Ruthigirl's results are why I'm shocked and disappointed that my own PCP (who is mainstream Western medicine) is telling me to back off to 800 IUs per day.


Apparently he hasn't gotten the memo..    And he's not up with the journals. My biochemist who thought I was OD'ing when I told her that I was taking 5,000 a day showed me a journal article last month that the new recommendations from MD's is 4,000 a day.
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He is a she, which makes it worse for my gender support...

Thanks for the info, Mayflowers! That validates my choice to continue with 5000 IUs per day...


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I don't know what dose my PCP wants me to take. I won't discuss it with her until my annual checkup in November. At first I was taking 4,000-5,000 per day. When my results came in low (33) she had her nurse call me and tell me to take 2,000 iu per day.   When I told the nurse I was already taking 5,000 iu daily, the nurse took the message, spoke to the dr, and called back telling me to take 10,000 iu per day. When it was up to 83 (after not really watching how much I was taking) the instructions were to back off to 1,000 daily- I assumed because it was now "too high" and it needed to be lowered. I stopped taking it altogether for about a week, then took only 5,000 for a few months.

It was on this thread (or a similar one on this board) when I realized that maybe my low energy level was due to low D again.  I increasead my dose to 10,000 iu daily. I should have had it retested then, before my levels picked up again, but I didn't have the energy to deal with it.

Now it's at 64, after another few months of 10,000 per day. I honestly don't care what the dr thinks I should be taking daily. 10,000 is the absolute minimum I'm willing to take, and I may take more temporarily if I get sick or otherwise feel like I need extra.


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He is a she, which makes it worse for my gender support...

Thanks for the info, Mayflowers! That validates my choice to continue with 5000 IUs per day...


You're welcome. You know I thought your doc was a she..I kept sensing a 'she' but I said he ...oh well.
Working in a Medical School, you get a lot of up to date information coming in.  
A friend of mine on FB, had a level of 25 and she was taking 2,000 a day. A year later, her level was 29.  So I don't think 2,000 is going to do much.

My levels being at 40, I haven't noticed any difference in mood, or energy improving. The only thing I noticed is a little better immunity to colds. I guess I'll notice more improvement when I get the levels up over 60
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http://www.vitaminduv.com/  


For those of us who have trouble with vitamin D3 or want a more natural way to make D I found this.

Ok that's it. I've decided to go to a tanning salon and get my D levels up higher. Since I'm having trouble with taking D3..
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That link isn't working for me MF.


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That's weird. When I click on it from my drop down in the url's it goes right there.  Try typing it in.
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Nope; it doesn't work for me, either, not even typing it in...


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But here's their home page...http://www.vitaminduv.com/index.php


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Thanks, Drea, for the link.  I have been reading the information there.  There is a vitamin D newsletter to subscribe to in one of the links so I immediately subscribed to it.  I'm glad this discussion about vitamin D is ongoing as I think all this input is very important.  I have developed a guideline, now, as to how much vit. D  to strive for and ways to achieve it.  Very helpful!!  Thanks to everyone.  
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Thanks Drea. I can't figure out why it didn't work?
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I am in the sun all the time here.  In the Summer I get it from being out in the pool or working on my loofah plants on my sunny wall.  I haven't seen an increase in my D.  I just got a call from my doctor the other day that wants me on a minimum of 5000 iu's daily.  My bone density scan came back worse than last year UGH!!! Osteoperosis it's just not getting any better.  I am adding more calcium and weight bearing exercise (that won't aggravate my back) to help with that too.

It's worth a shot to try the tanning bed MF.  At the very least you will have a nice tan.


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It's worth a shot to try the tanning bed MF.  At the very least you will have a nice tan.


Interesting that tanning beds do not get the bad rap there that they get here in my country? I would love to use a tanning bed to 'cover' facial redness...but they are usually framed here as 'un-safe'.
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IMHO I think they are unsafe, but that doesn't keep people from using them.  I am also pro sunscreen on fitzpatrick type 1 and 2, due to the risks of sun exposure on those types.  But that is just MHO.


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IMHO I think they are unsafe, but that doesn't keep people from using them.  I am also pro sunscreen on fitzpatrick type 1 and 2, due to the risks of sun exposure on those types.  But that is just MHO.


Old school. Check this out:

Tanning Beds Produce Vitamin D
Published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, the Boston University research team, including vitamin D guru Dr. Michael F. Holick, showed that subjects who used a tanning bed had 90 percent higher vitamin D levels compared to non-tanners and significantly higher bone mineral density.
"Since some exposure to sunlight is beneficial to your health, it is reasonable that if you wish to be exposed to sunlight, that you can do so with relative safety if you make sure that you do not receive a sunburn."
Dr. Michael F. Holick
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I used tanning beds for my vitamin D production. I would tan using the older beds since they have UVB (which makes vitamin d). My hair started drying out and that is why I eventually stopped (and also, I was taking supplements and feeling much better than being sick at 14).

I might go again soon since I loved the dry heat feel. I will make sure to cover my face and hair, though. I have the reflector face and hair covers along with peeper goggles.

Start out at 6-7 minutes and then build up gradually. Going every other day is ideal since it will give your skin and body time to adjust. Don't get burnt. I ended up a mild sunburn and it was not fun.

Even my doctor (M.D. endocrinologist) said tanning is helpful for me since my levels are low.


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I use to use the tanning beds 20 years ago when I lived in Oregon.  I had light sensitive depression and back then my doctor said use a tanning bed to get the sunlight.  For the most part it worked for the depression and I had a really nice tan.  

Today, I get plenty of sun and yet my Vit D levels are very low. I would hate to think what my Vit D level would be at if I didn't get the sun that I get.


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. Going every other day is ideal since it will give your skin and body time to adjust. Don't get burnt. I ended up a mild sunburn and it was not fun..


Too late..I got a little bit of a burn on some areas that were not exposed this summer..   I'll just wait a few days.  Hey, I'm new at this.  
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Today, I get plenty of sun and yet my Vit D levels are very low. I would hate to think what my Vit D level would be at if I didn't get the sun that I get.


I wonder if being in the pool blocks the UVB rays? You actually are in the sun 30 mins every day? That's what the recommendation is. Tank top and shorts.
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I am most definitely getting 30 min of sunshine a day. With exception to doing my exercising in the pool, I am usually on my raft.  When I am not in the pool, I get sun in the back yard when I am out with my dogs in the morning and working on my loofah plants on my sunny wall.

If I am not in a tank top and shorts, I am in a bathing suit, except when I go into the office I wear scrubs.


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I'm looking for the thread from about two days ago where Policychecker(?) wrote a list of the subs that where common to the protocols for O. Anyone know where that is?


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If I am not in a tank top and shorts, I am in a bathing suit, except when I go into the office I wear scrubs.


And no sunscreen?
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I'm looking for the thread from about two days ago where Policychecker(?) wrote a list of the subs that where common to the protocols for O. Anyone know where that is?


"Search" policychecker and his posts will come up.
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Hi guys, I got my vitamin D levels tested and my level is 16. I'm wondering how poorly this is making me feel? or how poorly others have felt with a similar level?

I am VERY tempted to go on a sunbed.  
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16 is very very low! I would say that is part of why you may be feeling poorly. Sunning yourself may help...a little...but you also need to supplement.

I have no idea what my levels were before I started taking 5000 IUs a day for three months, but even after 3 months, my levels were tested at 56.

Find yourself some good quality D3. Don't listen to the doctors who may tell you that all you need is 1000 IUs a day (that's what mine said) .


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I tested at 14 and had candida on top of it. I needed to sleep about 14-20 hours a day and could not function for more than 3-4 hours max on tons of coffee. I was always short of breath, chronic sinus infections and asthma attacks. I would have to figure out how to take my showers because I would get dizzy and almost pass out.

My doc put me on rx vit D which helped. I also used a tanning bed. I found that getting rid of my candida issue and taking 10,000 mg of vitamin D3 on a daily basis really helped.

I did 10,000 D2 weekly + 1,000 D3/daily for about 6 months and tested at 33. The doc told me to take 10,000 D2 monthly plus 1,000 D3 daily. After reading the posts on this thread, I decided to do 10,000 D3 daily for a while and then tested again.

At 33, I was still tired and could not function as much as I would like. I know getting rid of the candida is helping my body absorb the vitamin D better than ever. Although I am not at 100% but remembering how I felt when I was at 14 scares me so much I NEVER EVER forget my vitamin D!

If you are at 16, you should really be careful to not drop any further. At 14, I pretty much had no life.

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Hi guys, I got my vitamin D levels tested and my level is 16. I'm wondering how poorly this is making me feel? or how poorly others have felt with a similar level?

I am VERY tempted to go on a sunbed.  




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Interesting & informative thread...I wonder if the Australian measurement of 25 corresponds to the US 25? Even though my levels are low, I have heaps of energy & never get what is going around...despite being exposed to sick people (customers) a lot;) I also rarely feel depressed or even down, unless I eat or am exposed to a particularly bad "avoid"

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In Feb of '10 my levels were at 22 or 23... I started taking 2200 IUs of D3/day & 6 mos later they were up to 54.  My PCP didn't check again this year as she was pleased with the increase.  I used tanning beds as a teen & have had several abnormal moles removed as an adult.  I never spend much time in the sun without sunblock, which doesn't help my D absorption, but it saves my skin.  Also, I went from being sick all the time to only getting a couple colds a year.  I dropped my D back down & have been getting sick again. (currently struggling with an upper resp. infection, ear infection & sinus infection...lucky me)  Time to up my dosage again!


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I tested at 14 and had candida on top of it. I needed to sleep about 14-20 hours a day and could not function for more than 3-4 hours max on tons of coffee. I was always short of breath, chronic sinus infections and asthma attacks. I would have to figure out how to take my showers because I would get dizzy and almost pass out.

If you are at 16, you should really be careful to not drop any further. At 14, I pretty much had no life.







this makes a lot of sense to me - I feel like I spend most of my life horizontal. I want to lie down all the time. And I can't take showers without them being 'an activity for the day.' I feel unsteady on my feet,.. my skin, my bones and muscles all burn. I have been having quite severe chest pains and irregular heartbeat for over a year. I had no idea it was linked to vitamin D. I am seeing my doctor in a few days. I wonder if she will want to do injections or supplements

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Unfortunately, my doctors (here in the U.S.) did not think my levels were THAT low so they put me on supps.

I guess they do not know how miserable it feels when you need to lie down all the time and yes, showers actually become the whole day's activity!

The crazy thing is - I was going to school the whole time and wondering why I was so weak and sick! I know I could have done much better in my classes if I weren't so sick. Oh well.

My breathing was shallow and I would have rapid heartbeats because of that. I also have low blood pressure (which is not vit d related) and the combo just made me sick. I could barely walk to the bathroom in my tiny apartment after 2-3 hours at school. I could not cook and had to order takeout and cleaning was not a possibility!


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this makes a lot of sense to me - I feel like I spend most of my life horizontal. I want to lie down all the time. And I can't take showers without them being 'an activity for the day.' I feel unsteady on my feet,.. my skin, my bones and muscles all burn. I have been having quite severe chest pains and irregular heartbeat for over a year. I had no idea it was linked to vitamin D. I am seeing my doctor in a few days. I wonder if she will want to do injections or supplements




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I plan on getting my levels checked this month.. I've been taking D2 vegan vitamin D. I was using a tanning bed but I don't think it was often and long enough. I'd probably need the tanning bed for a year, 2-3 times a week for 20 mins. But I tell you the tanning bed is great for SAD .  I feel happier after 15 mins. I can see why teens get addicted to them. Just have to realize you get the same feeling being outside in the fresh air and sunshine. Today I walked 45 mins outside and got some sun.

Anyone else here taking vegan D? That's D2.  I've been having allergic reactions to D3.   This would be bad if my levels don't go up because I'm on D2
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I'm so grateful for this thread.  I've learned so much here and have passed on the information to my sisters, daughters-in-law and others.  My level was 48 in June and I began taking 3000 D3.  I was taking 1000 mg., plus cod liver oil.  I have been researching this subject online, too, so I can keep alert on the subject.  The testimonials of those with low levels of vit. D are enough to make anyone convert to high levels of vit. D.  There are legions of us who had no idea the importance of keeping levels between 60 and 80.

I forwarded the Virginia Hopkins website to one of my sisters who seems to have an aversion to her local lab and she is happy to learn that she can order the vit. D test online.  
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The testimonials of those with low levels of vit. D are enough to make anyone convert to high levels of vit. D.  There are legions of us who had no idea the importance of keeping levels between 60 and 80.  


Glad we can help, and I'm glad I started this thread because I think vitamin D is the discovery of the century!  I intend to get my level up to into the 90's at least.  100 is still conisidered 'normal range' .   Doctor told me it takes awhile to get the levels up. It took me a year to get them from 25 to 40. That's why I added tanning bed exposure.  I read they  are planning to install tanning beds in nursing homes in the future!  
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My rx vit d was D2. I have to take 10,000 of it monthly now. However, I noticed that my levels were not increasing quickly enough. Mark, a forum member, suggested that I stop the D2 and take D3. I have one D2 pill sitting around - I might just take that and refill my D2 rx, too.

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Glad we can help, and I'm glad I started this thread because I think vitamin D is the discovery of the century!  I intend to get my level up to into the 90's at least.  100 is still conisidered 'normal range' .   Doctor told me it takes awhile to get the levels up. It took me a year to get them from 25 to 40. That's why I added tanning bed exposure.  I read they  are planning to install tanning beds in nursing homes in the future!  




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Wow, you're 80 and still going!  I'm impressed.  My grandmas are 85 and 90 and they are dying.  

Thanks to this thread, I'm going to double my D3 pills.  Usually I'm taking a multi (400IU), a cal-mag (200IU x2), and a 1000IU D3.  So I'm getting 1800 already, plus the fortified drinks that have about 90 IU.  Plus I burn like crazy, and there is cancer in the family, so I don't want to go the tanning route.  In summer I try to wear tank tops so that my arms get exposure when I go for walks.
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Wow, you're 80 and still going!  I'm impressed.  My grandmas are 85 and 90 and they are dying. .


Are you referring to my age or D level? lol     My age is 55, and my D level is 40. I want to get it up to 80-90
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Think she was referring back a few posts to NHG... whose listed age is 80??
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Oh! We were talking about levels of 80-90.. lol
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Yes, I was referring to NewHampshireGirl.

I took my first double dose today, so I'll see how I feel.  How long did it take any of you to notice any benefits or improvements?
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For me, low vitamin D levels were part of the Fibromyalgia, which has its ups and downs no matter what my vitamin D level is. I didn't *notice* anything directly related to my vitamin D levels. I've been feeling pretty lousy since my father died 6 months ago, which correlates to when I thought my D levels were too high (83) and lowered my dosage, but honestly I think that has more to do with stress than anything else. I've been back on the higher dose of D for a month now, and I still feel lousy.

In my specific case, vitamin D is only one piece of the puzzle, and alone it's not going to solve all my health problems.


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this makes a lot of sense to me - I feel like I spend most of my life horizontal. I want to lie down all the time. And I can't take showers without them being 'an activity for the day.' I feel unsteady on my feet,..


The way you describe is how I felt from eating gluten.
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my D levels were too high (83) and lowered my dosage,.


Too high?  100 is considered "normal"      I'd be very happy if my levels were 83. I want them to be 90 or 95 even 99!
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Are you referring to my age or D level? lol  ... my D level is 40. I want to get it up to 80-90


I personally find I create minor health problems (headaches and numbness) when I take my D level above 60.

You may do well at 90, but I would not.


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Yeah, well, I know better now. I felt pretty good when my levels were 83, but at the time I couldn't find any information telling me that over 80 was OK, and I started to panic about toxicity. If I'd known then that 100 is considered normal by many sources, I would have simply continued at 10,000 iu per day without worry.


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My lab results came with the phrase "normal range: 50-100" for Vit D. Since my levels were 56, I was considered "normal" . I consider them low.


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I personally find I create minor health problems (headaches and numbness) when I take my D level above 60.

You may do well at 90, but I would not.


Ahhh, but you're a non secretor...    I don't know I've never been up there. I'll have to get up there and see how I feel.
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Yeah, well, I know better now. I felt pretty good when my levels were 83, but at the time I couldn't find any information telling me that over 80 was OK, and I started to panic about toxicity. .


Toxicity is 790
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My lab results came with the phrase "normal range: 50-100" for Vit D. Since my levels were 56, I was considered "normal" . I consider them low.


The doctor told me 32 was normal..and not to worry!
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I've been taking 5000 IUs D3 a day plus what was in my Cal-Mag-Zinc for months now and playing golf (although usually it's after work) at least once a week and my D came back at 46!!!!  I thought it would be significantly higher.  I have an endocrinologist appointment tomorrow so I'll discuss it with him.  
NHG, I just added selenium too.  Hope that helps....
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My lab report said the "normal range" was 30-80. Fortunately, my doctor knew better, and advised me to supplement when I came in at 33!


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It's kind of scary when the lab reports aren't standard, much less the doctors knowledge of the range...


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I've been taking 5000 IUs D3


Girl, looks like you need to take 10,000 a day which is perfectly fine according to the vitamin D Doctor.  Endos usually will put you on 10,000.
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Hello all BTD's,
    With all this talk about vitamin D, I would like to know what type of form of vitamin D do you all take. I have read time and time again that it is a whole lot better to supplement with the vitamin D3 form which is the natural form rather than take the synthetic form. My mother's rheumatologist had her vitamin D levels tested, and they were low(do not know for sure what her numbers were) he prescribed(yes wrote her out a prescription) for a synthetic vitamin D, D2 to take once a month for 3 months, after that she gets a refill for another 3 months on her prescription refill plan. I myself do not think that is smart. I would much rather take the natural form of vitamin D. They are only 1.25mg which is 50,000 units, I think that is a bit much to take. She also takes that osteoporois medication intravenously once a year and ads say to take calcium and vitamin D daily and I also read that it is smarter to take your vitamin D3 on a daily basis not on a monthly basis. What do you all think about this?
I have never had my vitamin D levels checked yet, but I hope to sometime soon. I do take cod liver oil daily which has some vitamin D in it and I take a daily multi vitamin for the hair, skin, and nails and it has vitamin D in it as well.
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Hi footprints:

Welcome back! (or at least I have not noticed any posts for quite a while).

I think most folks here prefer the D3 form.

However, high dose prescription D is commonly D2.

I do not know how low your mother was, but if someone is quite low it is not unusual to do 50,000 a week instead of per month.

Here is a blog post on 50,000 D2 versus other does of D3

http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/blog7.php/2008/11/11/i-m-walking-on-sunshine-o-non-explorer


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I've been taking D3. I got my levels checked two-three months after taking 5000 IUs of it (but I didn't test before I took it), and my level was tested at 56. I do, however, spend a fair amount of time in the sun per day.


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Hello all BTD's,
    With all this talk about vitamin D, I would like to know what type of form of vitamin D do you all take..


IMO, it's very important to have D levels checked at least 2 times a year. You can get cancer from having low D levels.. Also stroke, heart attack, flu, pneumonia.. constant colds..Depression, not to mention Osteopenia and Osteoporosis!

All of the studies I read on PubMed were using D2 that had such good results.  I was taking a brand of D3 (Now) for a year and starting getting a rash from it. I switched to vegan D which is  made from vegetables.. mushrooms? I have two, one is Country Life Dry D and I'm taking 4,000 ius of that or there's this vegan D3, 5,000 ius, Passionprincess found for me that's vegan and D3. I'm trying that one as well.  I'm going to go get my level this weekend. See if the D2 is working..I hope so.
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I've  been buying the capsules that contain 5,000 iu of D3 in olive oil. I search around for brands that don't contain any "avoid" oils; I could get the kind in soybean oil at Costco for a whole lot cheaper.

I usually take 2 pills a day (so, 10,000 iu D3 per day)  but some days I take 3 instead (15,000 iu per day.) 10,000 iu is my daily maintenance dose, and I take more if I'm feeling run-down or one of my kids is sick (exposing me to more germs than usual that week.)


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Ahhh, Blood type O. Of course she'd do better on D3 from an animal!    I was the reverse. I took D3 from lanolin for a year with little improvement. So interesting to see how the D2 vegan version works with me. I shall be the lab rat.
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MF,

I posted earlier in the day but I don't see it on here.  A computer glitch maybe.

I was advised to stop taking any fish oil supplements no matter where the source is from.  For many years I was taking a very good one.  So now I'm taking an Omega3 from Nutru.  The source is algae.

That's why I'm also interested in what you hear from the lab about your Vit D levels.  I'm taking a Vit D3 non fish capsule from lanolin.  I just purchased the Country Life Dry D2 that you are currently taking.  

As an A blood type also  I hope that if you get definite benefits from taking the dry D then I will continue with it.  

Thanks for sharing that.  Your information is very helpful.

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MF,
I was advised to stop taking any fish oil supplements no matter where the source is from.  For many years I was taking a very good one.  So now I'm taking an Omega3 from Nutru.  The source is algae.


Thank you Joy. I wanted to ask why you had to stop the fish oil? Who told you to? I take Iceland Health fish oil which is anchovies. I have cod liver oil as a beneficial. The Iceland Health, really helps my mood.     I seem to have trouble with a lot of flax seed so I take the fish oil too so that I can get the omega 3's.  
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MF,

The doctor indicated that for me (we all acknowledge that even within blood types everything is not the same and since I don't have SWAMI yet?) fish oil causes inflammation in my system.  Now I did say to him in defense of the purity of the fish oil I was taking and I called the company on this.  The company assured me that all the oil was tested and any impurities removed.  This fish oil was indeed supposed to reduce inflammation amongst other benefits.  

According to my doctor the fish oil industry is very big and has alot of money invested in this.

Let me reiterate, MF , that he wanted to get his point across in my case.  I can't say it applies to everyone else.

That's why I posted about the Vitamin D2 that you are taking.  I'm taking a closer look at all foods originating from vegetables or fruits.  I certainly didn't grow up on that theory.

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I wanted to share the Vitamin D Council's newsletter.  Anyone can sign up free and subscribe.

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With my levels at 16, a doctor I saw the other day prescribed me with 20,000 units to be taken twice a day for a week. - this seems so much! 280,000 units over the course of a week. !!! I was bewildered because she was initially quite dismissive of my levels. 'low, but not alarmingly so' ... What would you guys recommend i take dosagd wise?
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The doctor indicated that for me (we all acknowledge that even within blood types everything is not the same and since I don't have SWAMI yet?) fish oil causes inflammation in my system..


I understand Joy.. that's fine. How did this doctor come to the conclusion that fish oil was causing inflammation in your system?  Just curious.
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With my levels at 16, a doctor I saw the other day prescribed me with 20,000 units to be taken twice a day for a week. - this seems so much! 280,000 units over the course of a week. !!! I was bewildered because she was initially quite dismissive of my levels. 'low, but not alarmingly so' ... What would you guys recommend i take dosagd wise?


My doctor gave me prescription D2 at 50,000 ius, 1 capsule a week when my level was 25. I was on that dosage for 10 weeks and my level went up to 29 from that. wow...Still deficient. Normal range is 32 which is very low as well. It took me a year to get my level up to 40 and I was taking 5,000 to 10,000 ius a day. So if 100 is considered normal and your level is 16, .. 5-10,000 ius a day is fine IMO.  

Many doctors are not trained yet on the importance of vitamin D  as it is a new discovery in the last few years. My son's doctor laughed at me when I said I wanted his level checked. Laughed at me. My son is 21 years old. His level was 17 ..I went back and the (I will be nice) doctor still dismissed it and said give him 1200 ius a day. I was giving him 5,000ius

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I wanted to share the Vitamin D Council's newsletter.  Anyone can sign up free and subscribe.

http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=f545cba30e1f9697fddbe8acb&id=7348adf8d9&e=6ecee0d596


Thanks for the link. I remembered Gary Null last year was suing his drink mix company for poisoning people. I tried some of his supplements a few years ago. I didn't like any of them. So the toxicity is now 194-1220?  I read a different number on another web site. Sheesh the information is so different because the doctors are still not sure how much the body makes in the sun!
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With my levels at 16, a doctor I saw the other day prescribed me with 20,000 units to be taken twice a day for a week. - this seems so much! 280,000 units over the course of a week. !!! I was bewildered because she was initially quite dismissive of my levels. 'low, but not alarmingly so' ... What would you guys recommend i take dosagd wise?


I would take the prescription stuff as the doctor ordered. When the week is up, I'd start taking 10,000 or 15,000 per day of D3.

Make sure you get follow-up blood tests. Besides making sure you get it up high enough, you need to make sure that all this supplemenation doesn't make your levels TOO high. Not likely, but still a possibility (which you'd treat  by cutting back on, not out, your supplements.)


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I would take the prescription stuff as the doctor ordered. When the week is up, I'd start taking 10,000 or 15,000 per day of D3.


I don't agree with 15,000 ius a day. The Vitamin Council said up to 10,000 ius a day is ok.  Where are you getting your information from ruthie?
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Well it says on the Vitamin D Council page that if the person wants to go over 10,000 ius a day they should be monitored closely by a doctor.
Here's the link  for the information..
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/how-to-get-your-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-supplementation/

I'm unhappy about what it says regarding D2 but I may have to rely on a tanning bed if I can't take D3.
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Vitamin D toxicity can cause kidney stones (that is the biggest concern).

I am currently taking 10,000 D3 on a daily basis (at the suggestion by a BTD forum member, Mark). I also took my last 10,000 D2 tabbie a few days ago.

Last time I tested, I was at 33. I was at 14 six months before that while taking 10,000 D2 per week plus 1,000 D3 daily.

My energy level is much better and my appetite has decreased and returned to normal. When I was at 14, I was eating about 3 times my regular portion. It turns out the body is trying to force nutrients by increasing appetite... which also explains weight gain and the inability to get rid of belly fat.

My candida cleanse helped vitamin d absorption, too.

I do not have issues with constipation, nausea, etc. which are immediate signs of toxicity.

I took 15,000 yesterday because I bumped into some sick friends at the library.

I feel a bit off today but I am still functioning. I believe that is because of my high vitamin D intake. If it weren't for the vitamin D, I would probably be bedridden with whatever bug I was exposed to recently.

From what I heard about vitamin D toxicity, people know right away because they feel really sick - throwing up, etc.


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Thank you all for the information.  I'm still looking for answers on how quickly you started to feel "normal" after increasing the dose.  You all speak of your numbers, but not the experience.
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Saw my endo yesterday.  I was at 46 taking 5000 IUs a day.  He's upped it to 7000/day with a recheck in a few months.  I was upset at the 46 because I've been really rigorous about taking it every day with my Cal-Mag-Zinc and it still was only 46 and I'v been outside playing golf too.  He's a big D fan and says there are so many things linked to lack of Vitamin D...MS, possibly even autism.  
He also has me trying a new thyroid pill, Tirosint.  It's a gel formula with no bad excipients I hear.  Trying it for 3 weeks, then we'll see.
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I took 15,000 yesterday because I bumped into some sick friends at the library. .


You'd be better off taking elderberry if you run into sick people..I have a bottle of sambucal syrup in my fridge for just such an emergency.   I like Proberry Caps from NAP. They also have a liquid.. Proberry caps are great because you can carry them around with you and if yous suspect flu or cold contamination, just pop a couple right there.  
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Saw my endo yesterday.  I was at 46 taking 5000 IUs a day.  He's upped it to 7000/day with a recheck in a few months.  I was upset at the 46 because I've been really rigorous about taking it every day with my Cal-Mag-Zinc and it still was only 46 and I'v been outside playing golf too.  


Thanks for the Endo info Jane. I have the same problem. My D levels rise very slowly as well. I thought it was an A thing..I guess not.
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MF,

Well, I don't really know for sure.  He is not a big believer in eating meat, fish, or dairy for all and it seems paraticularly for me .  

The inflammation with my leg (which has been ongoing but is definitely getting better) will get much better taking Vegan Omega 3 oil.

Nothing is just black or white sometimes.  Sometimes it's just try this;  if it doesn't work try that.

Case in point is the extreme variables in the numbers for people who are taking Vitamin D and what doctors consider a normal range.

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Thank you all for the information.  I'm still looking for answers on how quickly you started to feel "normal" after increasing the dose.  You all speak of your numbers, but not the experience.


It probably depends on the person...not the answer you were looking for?

I found myself getting sick more often than usual, and Chloe mentioned I should get my Vit D level checked. At the time I was uninsured, so I put that off; instead, I started taking 5000 IUs of Vit D per day, and after 2-3 months got my levels checked: 56. I haven't gotten sick since, but I don't normally anyway.

I hope someone who was really low will chime in on this question...


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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Definitely! I felt icky last night and earlier today but had some beef and rice cake soup - Korean traditional dish (because some friends wanted to eat out). I guess the meal is compliant, come to think of it.

I feel much better and plan on making some elderberry tea and putting a few drops of Thieve's oil into it and drinking it before bed.

I forgot about my sambucal syrup! I leave home around 9:00 ish and get back closer to 11 p.m or midnight... so I am hardly home now. I really should pack the sambucal or leave it at my office.

Thank you for the reminder!

I hope you are enjoying classes!!!! Hugs!

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You'd be better off taking elderberry if you run into sick people..I have a bottle of sambucal syrup in my fridge for just such an emergency.   I like Proberry Caps from NAP. They also have a liquid.. Proberry caps are great because you can carry them around with you and if yous suspect flu or cold contamination, just pop a couple right there.  




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The inflammation with my leg (which has been ongoing but is definitely getting better) will get much better taking Vegan Omega 3 oil.


I understand.    I know we have to use our own discretion with our diets sometimes. After all, the doctors are not gods.     I realized I can't have my levels tested this weekend ..unless my son gives me money.. I'm so broke this week..  
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I forgot about my sambucal syrup! I leave home around 9:00 ish and get back closer to 11 p.m or midnight... so I am hardly home now. I really should pack the sambucal or leave it at my office.


I really like the proberry caps. They're a lot easier to carry around than sambucal syrup...(messy)

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP065

There's 120 capsules in the bottle so it lasts a long time. works out to $8 a month if you took one a day.

Oh yes, I'm enjoying my studies..Just trying to fit it in my day..is a little tricky.  I'm so glad I don't have classes to go to.
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Thank you all for the information.  I'm still looking for answers on how quickly you started to feel "normal" after increasing the dose.  You all speak of your numbers, but not the experience.


I didn't really *notice* any obvious changes when I started the D supplementation. I have so many complex things going on with my  body  and my life right now that it's hard to pinpoint any one factor in why I feel good, or why I don't  feel good. My father was very ill and dying during the time I started supplementing, and then my daughter had pertusses for a few weeks (I got very little sleep during that time) while my levels were increasing. My father passed away a few days before I got that 83 level back from the lab, and there's just no way to sort out what was caused by grief, what was caused by all the avoids I ate the week following his death (and I don't regret eating those foods, not for one minute!) and what was caused by my magnesium levels, or how much exercise I was getting.

Even without the family stress, fibromyalgia is a condition of ups and downs. There's hardly ever just one factor in a fibro-flare, nor is there only one factor when  I start to feel really good. Vitamin D is just one piece of this complex puzzle. I haven't  gotten it all figured out yet.


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Hey guys

I went to the pharmacy to get my vitamin D prescription (20,000ius twice daily for a week)...

the pharmacist wouldn't give it to me. They were all so shocked! They asked me all these questions about why I was taking it, who prescribed it for me,  if i'd been admitted to hospital - apparantly the dose was too high and they normally prescribed 20,000ius a WEEK.

they had to try to get hold of my doctor for about ten days- it turns out that a local hospital recommended I take that dose based on my lab values - I am pretty shocked... and a bit worried about my kidneys (stones) and my parathyroid (calcium levels? - can't tell if mine are high or low?) eek.

I only just found this dosage thing out today, and am seeing my 'official' doctor next tuesday to properly discuss things (lady who gave me the prescription before was filling in for official doctor).

I was just wondering whether anyone experienced side effects from taking large dose vitamin D? I'm taking 6000ius a day at the moment.. working my way up as I do with supplements as I tend to be sensitive to everything. Do you guys take it with calcium? I'm not sure whether to take it with calcium or not. Side effects wise - there has been a super massive increase in bone and muscle pain this week - everyday flat out in bed and I can't really walk down stairs without my legs being in agony. I have read some things about vitamin D going into the bones and doing something...

or maybe I just have bone flu ?  
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NIagreen, your prescription dose sounds extremely high... I can't answer any of your questions but I'd like for you to read what the Vitamin D council says about D toxicity...I'm hoping you discuss
your symptoms and get your questions answered by your official doctor before you take 40,000 iu per day!

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/what-is-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-toxicity/


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Re sun beds - "Sunbeds produce ultraviolet rays, just like the sun. In fact, a sunbed can be even more dangerous than the sun. It’s estimated that 20 minutes in a solarium can be equivalent to approximately four hours in the sun." (BBC, The Science of Sunshine, bbc.co.uk)

also

While the sun blockers don't prevent skin cancer, they can be effective in stopping Vitamin D production, one of the main benefits from sun exposure. "But the increasing use of sunscreens and the decreasing amount of time spent outdoors, especially by children, has contributed to what many scientists believe is an increasing problem of vitamin D deficiency."(Jeremy Laurance, The virtues of Vitamin D: It's time we saw the light , The Independent, September 18, 2007)


UVB / UVA http://www.ihealthtube.com/aspx/viewvideo.aspx?v=155207f78ebfee7b


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Basically the vitamin D is absorbed onto the skin over a 48 hour period when inthe sun so if you wash the skin within 48 hours of being in the sun less vitamin D is absorbed, worse still if you use soap,  apparently  - comment welcome..


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I'm really happy because Chloe found me vitamin D from fish oil instead of sheeps wool (lanolin)! This is so great! I bet I can take that!! I must get it. It's by Blue Bonnett  
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I'm really happy because Chloe found me vitamin D from fish oil instead of sheeps wool (lanolin)! This is so great! I bet I can take that!! I must get it. It's by Blue Bonnett  


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When I first got my levels checked, they were in the low 20's and after taking about 2300ius/ day for 6 months, they were up in the 40's.  For the following year, I maybe got 1 or 2 bugs, whereas I had been sick many times the previous year.  During a three month span, I was sick every other week & the last month I was sick for 3 full weeks.  It was a drastic improvement.  I had slowly backed down to 1000ius daily & then a souple days a week as I didn't want my levels to go too high, but I kind of shot myself in the foot as I've been getting sick again.  I started back up taking 2300ius/ day again & I'll keep you posted on when I feel differently.  My DS2 brought home another bug & I feel a little run down, but I'm curious to see if the D3 kicks it out sooner.


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When I first got my levels checked, they were in the low 20's and after taking about 2300ius/ day for 6 months, they were up in the 40's.  For the following year, I maybe got 1 or 2 bugs, whereas I had been sick many times the previous year. .


Everything I've read on D levels state that it should be well over 50. I'm going for the 80's or 90's because 100 is still consdidered "normal".  

I'm getting tested. I'm due. I've been taking dry D and one that PP found me on Amazon that's whole food vegan D3. The D3 from lanolin makes me itchy all over like crazy and I break out in a rash...
Plus I've been getting a lot more sun this Spring/Summer. So I'd like to see how I'm doing.  
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Perhaps I am naieve to this subject, but I never have taken vitamin d. Do you think I need it?

This might help with the calcium and my teeth as well.
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Basically the vitamin D is absorbed onto the skin over a 48 hour period when inthe sun so if you wash the skin within 48 hours of being in the sun less vitamin D is absorbed, worse still if you use soap,  apparently  - comment welcome..
I had read this too, but I spent hours researching & could never come up with a conclusive answer as to whether it was fact or just opinion... Seems there are as many arguments against as there are for
Personally, I avoid too much tap water (fluoride + chlorine among other nasties) & soaps on my arms & legs etc anyway, so no problem avoiding washing off the effects of the sun on my skin... My problem is more getting off my computer on my days off & getting out in the sun

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I need to get on this ASAP.  There's no reason for me to have low levels of vitamin D but honestly I don't totally understand what I've read.  I was sick a lot last year, don't want to spend Christmas Day in bed with a cold.
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FYI -

Even if you live in a sunny area, i.e. Los Angeles, but do not get at least 20-30 minutes of sunshine a day without sunscreen, you may be deficient.

My sister lived in L.A. all her life (except for her 4.5 years at Berkeley) came down with vit. D. deficiency. She works in an office building all day long and gets uv filtered sunlight through her car and home windows and hardly gets any sunshine... so, definitely something to ponder.

I have been doing 10-15,000 D3 daily at the moment, trying to bring my levels up... so far, so good.


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Sunshine provides a different form of vitamin D (water-soluble). It's better than the fat-soluble stuff you find in supplements. Be sure to get both.
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Everything I've read on D levels state that it should be well over 50. I'm going for the 80's or 90's because 100 is still consdidered "normal".  


Mayflowers, I think my level was at 47 at the time, so 50 wasn't far off.  For me, it was enough of an increase that it really boosted my immunity.  Then silly me, I tapered off.  Now I'm back to rebuilding, but I won't have mine tested again until I go for my annual physical in Feb.


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Hey, I just got my D checked for the first time ever.. and I'm 81 ng/mL.  The nurse said that was the highest she'd ever seen. lol

I've been taking about 8,000IU daily for a year, and have never felt better.  


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Vitamin D is like balm to the old and achy folks. I haven't been taking extra lately - I do that when it is cloudy for a few days - and I decided a hour or so ago to take more, and I already feel better. I don't guess I am necessarily old but when you ache you certainly feel that way!


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Hey Spring go to the top left of this page & click on main forum page;  then scroll down that page & clickon the section you wish to post in (If off topic go to Ittle Fishes or similar) then you will see at the top of that page, "new thread" to click on...
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Eric, that's wonderful news.  This thread has been so helpful as a guideline for me and I'm learning about the range I want to be in.
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Thanks, Possum, I will remember that next time!


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Thank you all for the information.  I'm still looking for answers on how quickly you started to feel "normal" after increasing the dose.  You all speak of your numbers, but not the experience.


After spending a long time outside in the sun, all my joints immediately stop hurting. So I suppose you can expect results pretty quick in how you feel. I know I do even after taking the supplement. I don't know about the numbers, though. I'm getting mine checked soon.


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Hey, I just got my D checked for the first time ever.. and I'm 81 ng/mL.  The nurse said that was the highest she'd ever seen. lol

I've been taking about 8,000IU daily for a year, and have never felt better.  


Show-off...   

I'm taking vegan D3, that I don't even know if it actually works or not..   It's 5,000 ius
I still haven't gone. I was toying with spending $65 on a mail test. I hate waiting for 2 hours just to have blood drawn. I might go next week..

Eric what brand are you taking?
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NOW.. cheap and good quality, IMO.  I can tell when I take too much, though.  More than 10k and I start to get twitchy.


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NOW.. cheap and good quality, IMO.  I can tell when I take too much, though.  More than 10k and I start to get twitchy.


I broke out in a rash from Now.     I must be allergic to wool.  As soon as I get some dinero, I'm getting the fish oil. I don't have any problem with fish oil D.
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MF,

I'm also taking NOW D3 2,000mg per day.  I do have a rash on my neck and I'm wondering if the D3 is the cause?  Is your rash itchy?  Mine sure is.

As I posted earlier I'm also using Vegan fish oil.  I also feel these supplements take a little time to get working in one's system.

Haven't gotten mine tested yet for D3 but Eric's is sure impressive!!!!

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MF,

I'm also taking NOW D3 2,000mg per day.  I do have a rash on my neck and I'm wondering if the D3 is the cause?  Is your rash itchy?  Mine sure is.

As I posted earlier I'm also using Vegan fish oil.  I also feel these supplements take a little time to get working in one's system.

Haven't gotten mine tested yet for D3 but Eric's is sure impressive!!!!



Yes my rash was itchy spots.  BTW fish oil isn't vegan.   it's pescatarian. vegan is plants only.
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Secondary dentine, a less well-organized form of tubular dentine, is produced throughout life as a patching material where cavities have begun, where the overlying enamel has been worn away, and within the pulp chamber as part of the aging process. Sometimes when cavities occur, production of secondary dentine can "heal" the decayed spot or rebuild portions of the tooth that have worn away. If vitamin D is adequate, secondary dentine will be well calcified. If vitamin D is lacking, dentine will be of poor quality or not present at all.

There is some evidence that the mineralization of dentine may depend on calcium derived from saliva rather than blood; in other words, it is deposited from the exterior rather than the interior of the tooth. The book describes studies by Dr. C. L. Pattison who, working with Mrs. Mellanby, determined that the calcium content of saliva doubled or even tripled when the diet contained adequate vitamin D from cod liver oil...


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MF,

I stopped taking the D3 lanolin supplement.  Now I'm going to wait a few days and see if the itchiness subsides.   Are you still taking the dry Vitamin D?

I'm going through an emergency situation in my apartment (not that I couldn't explain but very lengthy to do so)  Anyway, its supposed to be resolved on Monday.  So, it doesn't surprise me that I posted that I am taking a Vegan (fish) oil.  Of course, the reason I switched to Vegan is because of the very fact that it is derived from algae and not fish.

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MF,
I stopped taking the D3 lanolin supplement.  Now I'm going to wait a few days and see if the itchiness subsides.   Are you still taking the dry Vitamin D?


Hi Joy, I'm taking Country Life dry D 1,000ius and about 4 of those a day. I should take more I also have the vegan  Nature's Plus Source of Life Garden D3 which is 5,000 ius.  I have no idea if my body is absorbing these vegetarian D's. I have to get tested next week. I've been broke lately.
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MF,

I just stopped today taking the D3 and I already feel that the rash on my neck is subsiding (I hope that's it).  I will step up the dosage on the dry D and see how that works.  

Joy

PS  You're going to need to add some miracle grow to get that money tree in your back yard to give you a huge harvest, right?  (haha but wouldn't that be great?)
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There's no such thing as a "vegan fish oil." What you probably have is a "vegan DHA and/or EPA supplement"; providing the omega 3 fatty acids that are more typically found in fish oils.


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There's no such thing as a "vegan fish oil." What you probably have is a "vegan DHA and/or EPA supplement"; providing the omega 3 fatty acids that are more typically found in fish oils.


We went over that already ruthie.. scroll up. She wrote that by mistake
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I've been taking the Pure Encapsulations D3.....now up to 7000IUs plus what's in my WFs Cal-Mag Zinc.
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I've been taking the Pure Encapsulations D3.....now up to 7000IUs plus what's in my WFs Cal-Mag Zinc.


That is vegetarian D3?  The question is, does vegetarian D3 work?  
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Guess I'll see when I get it tested again.  I had been taking 5000 IUs for several months.  Before that I was just taking the store brand from WFs.  Guess I could call me endo and ask his opinion.  In addition to be an endo he also has a Ph'd in Chemistry so he's pretty knowledgeable.  
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Wanting to see more discussion about bone density and calcium/vit D deficiency please. I know my vit D has been low for a couple of years, so am taking supplements now, and unfortunately I have neglected bone density scans for a while too, and that has come up with osteopenia now..shock horror.
I shall probably start taking Phytocal A soon, but need reminding about which are the calcium rich foods.



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Calcium rich foods:
                         
Broccoli, boiled 34 mg Calcium per serving, 85 g     
Watercress, raw 34 mg Calcium for small bunch, 20 g               
Curly Kale 143 mg Calcium per      serving, 95 g
Okra, stir fried 88 mg Calcium per      serving, 40 g
     
Red kidney beans, 75 mg Calcium per 105 g               
Green beans 50 mg Calcium per serving, 90 g               
          
Almonds 62 mg Calcium per serving, 26 g               
Brazil Nuts 34 mg Calcium per serving, 20 g               
Hazlenuts 28 mg     Calcium per serving, 20 g               
Sesame seeds 80     mg     Calcium per serving,     12 g          
Walnuts     38 mg     Calcium per serving, 40 g     
Tahini Paste 129 mg     Calcium per serving, 19 g          

                    
Sardines in oil, tinned     500mg     Calcium per serving, 100 g          
Whitebait, fried  688 mg     Calcium per serving, 80 g
Salmon, tinned     91 mg     Calcium per serving, 100 g


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After a year of taking vitamin D Blue Bonnet brand fish oil D, 2,000 ius, my level actually dropped to 38.6 !     This is nuts. Last summer I got a lot of sun, and in the fall I was going to a tanning salon. I started up again in March.  This is crazy. I can't believe my level actually dropped. I was suspicious because I got a very bad URI a couple of weeks ago that elderberry didn't work on. It seems I'm not absorbing the fish oil D, not to mention, my LDL went up and my HDL went down from taking all this fish oil. I've stopped the other fish oil.  Anyone else having this problem?
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Mayflowers are you taking magnesium with your vitamin D? It really helps make it work.
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Vitamin D co factors

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-cofactors/

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-cofactors/magnesium/

Mayflowers, I do well on the Blue Bonnet fish liver oil form of D but I take a magnesium
pill with every 2,000 iu of D...and my D level is up to about 76 now.  Don't know if it's your inability to absorb D or a deficiency in any one of the co-factors...or enzyme deficiency.

To absorb fish oil or any fats, you would need plenty of the enzyme lipase.  Avocado and raw
eggs (homemade mayo) would increase your chances of getting adequate lipase

Lipase information:
http://www.well-women.com/lipase.html
http://www.pickl-it.com/blog/694/lipase-lipids-health/  (has homemade mayo recipe on 2nd page)


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I just had my levels re-checked about a week and a half ago. I asked my dr to send me the copies of all my labwork. Today in the mail I recieved a "summary" of my labwork- 2 pages instead of the 30 or so I got last time. I don't mind it condensed (so it's mroe than one lab result per page) but the lab results aren't all there! Specifically, the vitamin D level wasn't included in the results.   Clearly it's "within the normal range" (as were all my lab results, since she didn't call me concerned about anything) but I wanted the actual numbers!


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Thanks for the replies. I went to the doctor twice to get the D level checked. The first time they didn't order it. I was really annoyed and I had to go back and get stuck again.    Ruthie are you sure they did the D level? They might had pulled what my doctor's office did. Can't you call them and ask for the number?

I think the problem was, and Niagreen and Chloe hit the nail on the head, that I listened to Dr. Oz.   when he said on one of his shows to take D in the morning instead of with dinner because it tends to give energy. Well I had been doing that too. So when my levels were higher, I was taking the D with dinner and I take 200 mg of magnesium and 2 multi mineral capsules with dinner as well. With breakfast I was just taking the D capsule and not the rest of the minerals. So, now, I switched to dinner again and I'm trying the Now 5,000 ius again to see if I can tolerate it. So far no rash...yet..or itchiness.

I'm really afraid to take fish oil now with my LDL shooting up so high from it!     It's 172!
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I'm really afraid to take fish oil now with my LDL shooting up so high from it!     It's 172!

What is the ratio, LDL to HDL or LDL to Total?
Just a single number doesn't really tell us anything meaningful.


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I used to have a problem absorbing fish oil, but I now take it with Lypo Gold digestives, and lecithin. I don't get discomfort in the Gall Bladder area, and I'm hoping this is helping.
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What is the ratio, LDL to HDL or LDL to Total?
Just a single number doesn't really tell us anything meaningful.


225 - 53 HDL, 172 LDL
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I used to have a problem absorbing fish oil, but I now take it with Lypo Gold digestives, and lecithin. I don't get discomfort in the Gall Bladder area, and I'm hoping this is helping.
Lin


If the fish oil is making my LDL go up, I think I'm absorbing fish oil a little too well lol  
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I don't supplement with fish oil anymore.
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Chia seed seem to be working all right for me. The oil is a diamond on my SWAMI.


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Ruthie are you sure they did the D level? They might had pulled what my doctor's office did. Can't you call them and ask for the number?


It's one of many things on today's "to do list" that  got pushed off until tomorrow. I want the doctor to send me the complete list of my lab results, not just my CBC and lipid profile. I don't think she forgot to order the test because it was low last time and she had me come in to re-check it a few times last year, so it should be on my chart to keep on testing repeatedly. It's far more likely that they simply didn't give me a full listing of my labs. The top of the page does say "summary" so it's clearly not the full list.


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I don't think she forgot to order the test because it was low last time and she had me come in to re-check it a few times last year, so it should be on my chart to keep on testing repeatedly. .


Ruthie, wasn't your D level like 80? How did it get low?  

I looked at my oil list. The only beneificial oil is cod liver oil and that's not a diamond. I had been taking Iceland Health which is from anchovies and salmon oil.  Anchovy oil is not on my list and salmon oil is a neutral. duh.  My super diamond oils are apricot, black currant seed, flax, olive, and walnut. Not a fish oil there.. lol.  
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Thanks for the link. I'm going to try an experiment of staying off fish oil and losing weight only along with my diamond oils only and see in 6 months what my LDL is.  Those last results are from non fasting so I'm going to get a fasting cholesterol which is the proper way to test it.


I can't believe how the fish oil D is working well for you and not working for me, being the same blood type.
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I don't supplement with fish oil anymore.


Why Mark? Did you have issues with it?
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Ruthie, wasn't your D level like 80? How did it get low?    


When it came back 83, my doctor told me to drop down to 1,000 iu per day. Rather than call back to  verify what she meant, or make another appointment to talk with her about it in person (she has a nurse make her calls for her), I stopped taking it for a while. I was completely panicked that my level was dangerously high, and I couldn't find any information at the time to tell me that levels over 80 were OK. I now know that the "safe upper limit" is 100, not 80, but I couldn't find that information at the time. It was right around the time my dad died so it got lost in the shuffle.

It was only when somebody online asked me how I was feeling  a few months later that I made the connection between "cutting back on D supps" and "feeling lousy."

Now I have no clue if my levels are high, low, or good; only that "all lab tests came back normal." Ugh. I called the dr today and left a message that I wanted ALL my lab results sent to me, not just a summary. I'm not sure if I'll get a call back or just the papers in the mail in a few days.

I have 5,000 iu pills, and I've been taking 1 or 2 a day. I want to know my results so I know if I should keep alternating like I've been doing or take 10,000 iu daily. I don't feel comfortable going as low as 5,000 iu daily because that's what I was taking when my levels were 33.


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Why Mark? Did you have issues with it?


New research shows that it's decreasing n-6, not increasing n-3, that is important. Also, 95% of fish oil (even the pricey ones) are mostly rancid anyway.

I take cod liver oil, but not for the n-3. I don't like eating liver, but do like vitamin A from animals. The D3 is nice too, I guess.
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I have 5,000 iu pills, and I've been taking 1 or 2 a day. I want to know my results so I know if I should keep alternating like I've been doing or take 10,000 iu daily. I don't feel comfortable going as low as 5,000 iu daily because that's what I was taking when my levels were 33.


Being an Ao, I took Now 5,000 ius 5-10,000 a day and it took over  a year to get my level up from 25 to 40.   Depending on the lab who does the test, normal range for vitmin D ranges from 30-150. My lab changed their 'norm' for D. The first time it was 32-100, now it's 30-100.  I really don't think they know for sure..
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New research shows that it's decreasing n-6, not increasing n-3, that is important. Also, 95% of fish oil (even the pricey ones) are mostly rancid anyway..


Hmm. That might be the reason my LDL went up. Probably getting the omega 3's from eating fish is more complex in the body utilizing the omega 3's and the oil is missing an important componant and that affects the usage of the omega 3's properly.

Dr. D told me not to take too much A. He read studies of it causing issues, so I try not to take more than 5-10,000ius a day and the reason I was not using the cod liver oil. Ok plus the taste.  

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I've been taking 5000 IUs daily of D-3 fairly consistently for the last 9 months. My next appt is in August, and last August, my D levels were at 53. I'll be interested to see how they measure.

BTW, it's nice to see you [Mayflowers].


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I've been taking 5000 IUs daily of D-3 fairly consistently for the last 9 months. My next appt is in August, and last August, my D levels were at 53. I'll be interested to see how they measure.

BTW, it's nice to see you [Mayflowers].


Hi Drea.   I never left, I just don't post much anymore. My son was in a accident last year..it was very bad. He's ok now. I got off facebook too because I don't like being so 'out there' ...something IDK, creepy about FB.  

My sister just went to see her endo and the endo told her that a level of 34 was normal, and OMG she could get toxic taking 5,000ius a day! When are these doctors going to come up to the millenium? Disappointing.
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Just wanted to say that the brand I'm using...Bluebonnet -- the source is fish liver oil...not fish oil. I guess that is the same as cod liver oil...and I only chose to get vitamin D this way because I was itching from the lanolin sourced vitamin D.

My sister who has a brain tumor was also told that her D level in the 30s was perfectly fine.  


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Just wanted to say that the brand I'm using...Bluebonnet -- the source is fish liver oil...not fish oil. I guess that is the same as cod liver oil...and I only chose to get vitamin D this way because I was itching from the lanolin sourced vitamin D. .  


IDK why the Bluebonnet brand wasn't working for me.. Maybe because I took it in the morning and didn't have enough fatty acids and minerals to use it? Now I'm afraid to take fish oil because of my LDL going up to 172...I went back on the Now and so far I'm not having any reaction. I was breaking out in a rash from Deflect. I really liked it too, it helped with weight loss and digestion..   I took it for 4 years. I'm taking the Gastro D again. That stuff is amazing for an upset stomach    !  Takes my pain right away.  But, back to the D.  I was thinking of trying the NAP brand as well.
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OK, I finally got my lab tests results in the mail today- nearly a month after the blood was taken!

My vitamin D level is 54. That was with alternating 5,000 and 10,000 iu daily. I'm going to take 10,000 iu daily from now on, only lowering it if next year's lab test comes back low.


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I think I finally got my vitamin D levels to acceptable! I took 20,000 i.u. with magnesium for the past 2-3 months. I was not getting anywhere without the magnesium (started taking it with magnesium about 2 months ago after reading the posts here).

My kidney hurt a bit and my appetite decreased significantly (child sized portions are enough to make me feel full) as of yesterday. I did not take vitamin D yesterday and my kidney pain went away. I had kidney pain for the past 2-3 days. I read on another site that kidney pain is a sign of vit. D overdose. As soon as you notice it, stop taking the vitamin and the pain should go away within a week.

I also have lovely Cali sunshine so I think I am finally getting back to normal (no more tanning beds, etc.).


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Have you been getting your levels checked regularly? I've heard that 10,000 iu is the highest "regular daily dose" that's safe, although higher doses can be used in the short-term to correct a deficiency. Even 10,000 iu is a high daily dose, and I don't  give my kids more than 5,000 iu a day.

I'm personally taking 10,000 iu per day because of how I've responded to it over time. My levels went up on 10,000 per day. I misunderstood my dr and lowered my dose way too much after the levels finally got up, and then my levels dropped again. After taking 5,000 some days and 10,000 some days (1 or 2 pills, 5,000 iu each) for a few months, my levels were higher than they were at my first reading, but not as high as they were when I first cut down. It seems to me that taking 10,000 iu per day keeps me in a good range, while taking less than that makes my levels drop. So I plan to keep taking that dose indefinitely, with lab tests to check my vitamin D level once per year.  But I wouldn't reccomend somebody else take that much all the time without careful monitoring, since I was monitored more closely when I started taking higher doses.

What you want is a level of supplementation that keeps your vitamin D blood levels stable. You may need a low dose over the summer, or you may not need to supplement over the summer at all. You want to be careful that your levels don't drop too much when you stop supplementing, and also that they don't get too high if you continue to supplement. That's what the blood tests are for.

You're probably safe to stop taking D completely for a week or two; beyond that I'm not sure.


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The last time I got checked was in October 2011. I was at 33, up from 16. So, I was still quite low. I quit taking the 50,000 D2 pills that was rx-ed to me and took massive doses of D3.

I am also back in L.A. and getting as much sun exposure as possible. I am sure that is helping tons!

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Have you been getting your levels checked regularly? I've heard that 10,000 iu is the highest "regular daily dose" that's safe, although higher doses can be used in the short-term to correct a deficiency. Even 10,000 iu is a high daily dose, and I don't  give my kids more than 5,000 iu a day.

I'm personally taking 10,000 iu per day because of how I've responded to it over time. My levels went up on 10,000 per day. I misunderstood my dr and lowered my dose way too much after the levels finally got up, and then my levels dropped again. After taking 5,000 some days and 10,000 some days (1 or 2 pills, 5,000 iu each) for a few months, my levels were higher than they were at my first reading, but not as high as they were when I first cut down. It seems to me that taking 10,000 iu per day keeps me in a good range, while taking less than that makes my levels drop. So I plan to keep taking that dose indefinitely, with lab tests to check my vitamin D level once per year.  But I wouldn't reccomend somebody else take that much all the time without careful monitoring, since I was monitored more closely when I started taking higher doses.

What you want is a level of supplementation that keeps your vitamin D blood levels stable. You may need a low dose over the summer, or you may not need to supplement over the summer at all. You want to be careful that your levels don't drop too much when you stop supplementing, and also that they don't get too high if you continue to supplement. That's what the blood tests are for.

You're probably safe to stop taking D completely for a week or two; beyond that I'm not sure.



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My level was 16.4 when I got tested around September last year - then after being on 20,000 a day for 2 weeks, 10,000 a day for another two weeks, and then 5,000 a day for about three weeks thereafter (I was taking 450mg magnesium with this and took the vitamin D with my fattiest meal, usually including avocado), I got retested and my level was a 72!

It made no difference to how I felt but was still good to know it was up.  
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Yay, Niagreen!

It took me almost 9 months or so to get to 33 from 16 even with weekly 50,000 D2+ 1,000 D3 daily. I was always tired and sick. I am doing much better now.


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I forgot to add, my appetite always decreases during the summer in L.A. It is probably a sign that I have enough Vit. D. in my system. When I was in the midwest where I did not get enough sunshine, I did not notice any changes in my appetite (even with laying out and tanning).


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It sounds like you weren't absorbing the D2 at all PP.

I still think you should find yourself a doctor in your new town and have your vitamin D levels checked several times this year. Right now, between the summer sun and the previous over-supplementing, it's wise to stop all the supplements. But you may or may not need to supplement again in the fall, and I'm not sure how much you'll need to supplement with. It's best to get periodic blood tests to monitor things so you can adjust the supplements accordingly.

I don't get much vitamin D from the sun, in part  because of how far north I live and in part because of how I dress. So I feel safe using the same dose year-round.


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I am back in L.A. and will be here for a while. As long as I am here, I will not need to continue supplementing. I only developed the insufficiency after a year in the midwest.

The D2 sucked and my endocrinologist said 33 was good and I should keep it around 35. I was still feeling very sick at 33... so I gave up! For now, I am going to be okay with not supplementing. I am keeping an eye on my body, though... If I start to exhibit any symptoms of being insufficient, I will start supplementing again.

My body feels different when I get enough sunlight. I guess I really AM a Cali girl!

Thanks for your concern!

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It sounds like you weren't absorbing the D2 at all PP.

I still think you should find yourself a doctor in your new town and have your vitamin D levels checked several times this year. Right now, between the summer sun and the previous over-supplementing, it's wise to stop all the supplements. But you may or may not need to supplement again in the fall, and I'm not sure how much you'll need to supplement with. It's best to get periodic blood tests to monitor things so you can adjust the supplements accordingly.

I don't get much vitamin D from the sun, in part  because of how far north I live and in part because of how I dress. So I feel safe using the same dose year-round.




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I've been using cod liver oil, need to remember to take.  
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Thanks to all of you on this thread, when I recently went in for my annual visit to reg doc, I asked for lots of blood testing, and specifically vit D levels.

Got the results, and it was a 10!    Though kind of not surprised as I live in the Midwest USA and don't really get much sun throughout the winter plus was wearing sunscreen on my face due to rosacea and other skin problems. And I don't 'tan' anymore and my clothing choices tend to be more modest as I age...    Also don't drink milk with vit D and while I had been thinking about CLO I hadn't started it yet. So I guess I realized as I was reading these posts that I probably was low on D.

Anyway, my doc prescribed D2 50,000 1x/week with retest in 2 months. But I just didn't want to take that much at a time and thought I'd prefer D3 after reading all that you guys had written and elsewhere. I asked if I could take D3 instead and the nurse called back saying he said I should take Caltrate D. Oh, ok, not! As I didn't want to take supplemental calcium since my blood calcium level is not low and the supplements are horribly constipating for me.

So I saw a study that compared the rx-D2 as above and 2,000 D3/daily and the results were comparable. Though only generally got levels from below 20 to up between 40 and 50 within the 2mos. However I decided to start with 1,000 D3 2x/daily, NOW brand, and have appt to go back in 2 mos for the retest.

But now I'm wondering if I should be taking more... and if I should add magnesium even tho he didn't mention it... and after re-reading here I think maybe I could take 2,000 1x/day instead of 2 doses of 1,000 each without it bothering my stomach.

So I don't really know if I have a question or if I just want to chime in with my experience so far... I know that if my level is not up at 2mos, I may feel an implied "I told you so" from him. He already probably thinks I'm nuts because I asked for so many tests (since I wanted info for SWAMI!).

And I haven't followed up on the referral to a rheumatologist yet because I sort of hoped that higher D levels would improve the way I feel overall so that I might not need to go...

ruthiegirl, do you think the D3 supplementation directly impacts your fibromyalgia pain? I haven't been diagnosed, but I wonder if that is where he thinks he is heading...

Well, anyway, thanks to all... for reading and for any input or encouragement.  


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Got the results, and it was a 10!    


I took 50,000 ius of D2 , 1 capsule a week for 10 weeks when I first got tested at 25.  I didn't have any problem with taking it. It got my level up to 29 in 3 months. I take 5,000ius of Now brand. It's not bothering me this time. I thought it was giving me a rash but it turned out to be something else.  I believe the right level is individual for everyone.

I met Dr. T. Colin Campbell (China Study) this past Thursday. He came and gave a Grand Rounds lecture at my university. I couldn't believe that my director booked him. He was not into vegetarianism for kids. He must have changed his mind.  I asked Dr. Campbell about vitamin D and he said we should get our D as nature intended...from the sun.  The Chair of my department and I said it at the same time...we have no sun in NJ . !  He kind of just looked at us. He said his level was 19 and he was perfectly healthy.  He had a nice tan too.

All I know is when my level was 40, I felt a lot better, and I noticed that I wasn't getting sick..even bacterial infections were not happening like they were when I was at level 25. As soon as my level dropped to 38...I caught a URI virus and was sick for a week. So I think my normal is 40, not 30 like the lab says.

Have you had a bone density test to check for osteoporosis? At the level of 25 I have osteopenia that I'm trying to reverse.  I would think at 10  you'd have bone issues... yes?
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Mayflowers, I don't know what my Vitamin D level was when I was first diagnosed with osteopenia, but the osteopenia has not gotten any worse since then, and I have had several tests over the years since the first one. I had been taking Vitamin D nearly all my life along with the other stuff necessary for good bone density. My guess is that getting on the BTD stopped the osteopenia in its tracks. I will learn more about the numbers during those first years on the diet when I see my doctor again. And if there has been actual improvement.


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There is this mixed message..Get your D from the sun...but also stay out of the sun or you'll get skin cancer....wear sun screen with high numbers when you're in the sun..but doesn't sunscreen block vitamin D from being absorbed?

I wish there was a way to safely get enough D from sun and eat foods high enough in D to impact
a blood test...that we weren't having to pop pills and get our D levels tested all the time.  Would we more readily absorb D from foods than from the sun?  I know many people who have been sun worshipers and they still have low levels of D when measured.

Are the tests accurate?  Is D measured from blood actually an indication for what gets absorbed
into bone.

These are rhetorical questions...I don't expect scientific answers.

There is something about this entire subject that has a missing link...It's been puzzling me since
the Vitamin D council started publishing their findings...

Who ever ate concentrated lanolin?  That's what's in the NOW vitamin D.  And there are
a bunch of co-factor nutrients that help D get absorbed into the blood.  Dr. Cannell
of the Vitamin D council has created his own D supplement...

These are the ingredients in the formula created by the man who did all the D research.  Dr.
John Cannell...I've tried this formula and it was no different or better than the NOW brand
or any other plain D I've taken....including Dr. D's formula of D3.

Fruitex B® is a patented boron/calcium complex that has been shown to uniquely support normal Vitamin D metabolism, maintain healthy joint comfort and flexibility, and promote healthy bones.*

Vitamin K2 is a special form of Vitamin K that has been researched for its special ability to support bone health, arterial health and cardiovascular health. Working in combination with Vitamin D, Vitamin K2's main job is to help make sure that calcium winds up in the right places, like the bones, and not in the wrong places, like blood vessel walls.*

Magnesium Citrate is a key mineral that is involved in hundreds of enzymatic processes in human cells. As a supplement, Magnesium Citrate plays a key role in bone health, immunity, cardiovascular health, muscle and nerve function, and many other essential areas.

Taurine is an important amino acid that plays a key role in muscle and nerve tissue function. Research also suggests that Taurine may play a useful role in promoting healthy Vitamin D metabolism.*

So, what about the sun would give us anything more than just D without all those nutrients
that are considered D co-factors? ...Are there people who don't absorb D through their skin very
well and if not, why?

I'm just wondering if optimum D levels for everyone everywhere should be the same or are there
differences in our genetics that would allow some people to thrive at lower levels or even higher levels than others. Would a blonde, fair skinned person who would easily get over exposed to bright sunshine need the same amount of sun as what a dark skinned person can tolerate?

The variances in individual tolerance of the sun has to matter, so it seems.  Twenty minutes of
sun exposure for a very fair skinned person could burn their skin.  And so it seems to me that
these people weren't meant to be in the sun.  So if not, where do people of the world who have
fair skin get their D from?  What's in their diets that provide enough D to insure strong bones,
insure a healthy immune system....An entire group of fair skinned people would have become extinct by now if their immune systems had to rely on getting plenty of sun exposure.

Our ancient ancestors didn't have sunscreen, vitamin D pills or blood tests.. and had to rely on their native diets.  They obviously survived or we wouldn't be here..  Each native group, so it seems has a different need for sunshine...and I'm deducting that they possibly have a different
optimum level for vitamin D that hasn't been factored into this research.
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Maybe this was mentioned already in this nice long thread, but I don't remember.  Does anyone know the source of the vitamin D3 in the Superior Source sublingual D3?



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Maybe this was mentioned already in this nice long thread, but I don't remember.  Does anyone know the source of the vitamin D3 in the Superior Source sublingual D3?


I can't find the source of the D3. I tried to find it but so far, can't.....Your product is made by the Continental Vitamin Company as shown on the informational page for this product....Maybe contact them and ask...It does contain dairy so I hope you're okay with that..Also contains acacia gum.

Did this product raise your D level?

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-.....-1000-iu-100-tablets


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I can't find the source of the D3. I tried to find it but so far, can't.....Your product is made by the Continental Vitamin Company as shown on the informational page for this product....Maybe contact them and ask...It does contain dairy so I hope you're okay with that..Also contains acacia gum.

Did this product raise your D level?

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-.....-1000-iu-100-tablets

I emailed them today.  Hopefully I'll know next week.

Yes, the product worked well for me, but I take the 5,000 iu sublingual (not 1000), maybe 5 x weekly.  I started at about 38 and after a year, my bloodwork showed 80.  I haven't been retested in a year and a half.



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I emailed them today.  Hopefully I'll know next week.

Yes, the product worked well for me, but I take the 5,000 iu sublingual (not 1000), maybe 5 x weekly.  I started at about 38 and after a year, my bloodwork showed 80.  I haven't been retested in a year and a half.


This form is obviously very absorbable for your body...I'd be curious to know the source as well...Can you please share with us when you find out?   Thanks!  



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I'm not going to worry if my D level is not over 50. I don't want it to be under 50 ..either..I used to want  it to be close to 100 but what I'm looking for is a reversal of the osteopenia.. If I get another bone density test and it's reversing at the level I'm at and I'm healthy and not getting sick,  then I know I'm doing ok. I'm not going to obsess about my D level. I think that was the message Dr. Campbell was trying to make and that our attitudes have a lot to do with our health. Wise man.  

Spring what is your vitamin D level?  I don't want my osteopenia any worse.. I want it reversed.
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I am starting to realize the same, MF. Vitamin D levels are also individual!

Being a native Californian used to huge amounts of strong sunlight, my body went into vitamin d deficiency mode when I lived with very little sun. My East Coast relatives and cousins, on the other hand, are not used to the sunlight here. They burn within minutes when they visit during the summers. I do burn quite quickly (takes about 10 min. to become red at the beach) but I do not burn as bad nor as quickly as they do.

I hung out in my backyard this weekend with my laptop around 5 p.m.ish and got a nice tan since the sun was still out. I stopped wearing any sort of sunscreen since I came back. I use grapeseed oil as a facial moisturizer. If I want something more nourishing, I take some milk kefir and massage it into my skin (natural AHA! I can stop using Retin-A and paraben based cosmetics which exacerbate my estrogen dominance).

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I'm not going to worry if my D level is not over 50. I don't want it to be under 50 ..either..I used to want  it to be close to 100 but what I'm looking for is a reversal of the osteopenia.. If I get another bone density test and it's reversing at the level I'm at and I'm healthy and not getting sick,  then I know I'm doing ok. I'm not going to obsess about my D level. I think that was the message Dr. Campbell was trying to make and that our attitudes have a lot to do with our health. Wise man.  

Spring what is your vitamin D level?  I don't want my osteopenia any worse.. I want it reversed.




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I'm not going to worry if my D level is not over 50. I don't want it to be under 50 ..either..I used to want  it to be close to 100 but what I'm looking for is a reversal of the osteopenia.. If I get another bone density test and it's reversing at the level I'm at and I'm healthy and not getting sick,  then I know I'm doing ok. I'm not going to obsess about my D level. I think that was the message Dr. Campbell was trying to make and that our attitudes have a lot to do with our health. Wise man.  

Spring what is your vitamin D level?  I don't want my osteopenia any worse.. I want it reversed.


Mine was 30 several months ago, and that is when I got so sick. Of course, I started taking more Vitamin D. I am going to have it checked again at my next appt.. My osteopenia has not gotten any worse since the first time they checked it several years ago. In fact, it has improved, gradually. I credit the diets with that as much as any supplements.


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Mayflowers, I don't know what my Vitamin D level was when I was first diagnosed with osteopenia, but the osteopenia has not gotten any worse since then, and I have had several tests over the years since the first one. I had been taking Vitamin D nearly all my life along with the other stuff necessary for good bone density. My guess is that getting on the BTD stopped the osteopenia in its tracks. I will learn more about the numbers during those first years on the diet when I see my doctor again. And if there has been actual improvement.


I want to add here that there was some improvement, but I am going to find out exactly how much!


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I was really sick with the head cold from hades and my D level was 38. It could have been lower if I wasn't going to the tanning salon.. It really helped my SAD.  That's why I think 50 would be a good level for me.
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I don't really know how the vitamin D levels affect my health, or how various levels of D in my blood affect my energy levels. I've had so much going on with me and vitamin D is only one piece of the puzzle. Certainly, I felt lousy when my D levels were too low. But something else is still wrong, and I'm not sure what, and even a healthy D level isn't letting me feel good right now.

It might be "just" stress- my levels were the highest (when the miscommunication with my dr had me dropping the supplements way too low) right before my father died. I got the results about a week before he died, and then I let my levels get too low again by dropping the supplements too  much.


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I just saw a new large survey published here in DK yesterday
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If the blood contains less than 10 nanomol (nmol) of vitamin per liter of serum, mortality is 2.31 times higher. However, if the blood contains more than 140 nmol of vitamin per liter of serum, mortality is higher by a factor of 1.42. Both values are compared to 50 nmol of vitamin per liter of serum, where the scientists see the lowest mortality rate.

http://news.ku.dk/all_news/2012/2012.5/too_much_vitamin_d_can_be_as_unhealthy_as_too_little/

However I do think they also lack the connection between enough vitamin A- D and K2
http://www.westonaprice.org/bl.....autoimmune-diseases/

Most danes don´t get enough A and K2 - due to fatfobia
and other reasons like diabetes- too much protein and a gene deffect that make them less likely to convert betacarotene into retinol...


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Normal is 100 according to my lab.  So, 140 is OD'ing on vitamin D. Understandable   That's why I like the middle of the road figures...50-ish...
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And I was told it was too high when it was 93, since the lab said that 30-80 was the healthy range.

That study is a good place to start, although overall health is more than just mortality rates. However, mortality rate is one single factor to study and can give clearer results in preliminary studies. It will also be interesting to see if higher levels (say, 70 or 100 rather than 50) are healthier when other nutrient values are in healthy ranges. 50 might only be the "lowest mortality rate" when A and K are low as well.


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And I was told it was too high when it was 93, since the lab said that 30-80 was the healthy range.

That study is a good place to start, although overall health is more than just mortality rates. However, mortality rate is one single factor to study and can give clearer results in preliminary studies. It will also be interesting to see if higher levels (say, 70 or 100 rather than 50) are healthier when other nutrient values are in healthy ranges. 50 might only be the "lowest mortality rate" when A and K are low as well.


I agree - but I jsut wanted to share since it was a rather large study.
However I do think it is sad that scientist seem to only focus on 1 vitamin when everythin shows that there are connected.
I don´t think it is a coincidens that lots of good food containsboth A, D and K2
Like eggyolks, butter from grassfed cows , codliveroil etc..


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I agree - but I jsut wanted to share since it was a rather large study.
However I do think it is sad that scientist seem to only focus on 1 vitamin when everythin shows that there are connected.
I don´t think it is a coincidens that lots of good food containsboth A, D and K2
Like eggyolks, butter from grassfed cows , codliveroil etc..


Two food sources providing vitamin D..  not including the sun..... cows and fish.

We're gulping pills and some people still can't raise their D levels.  Does everyone throughout
the world include dairy products or fish in their diets?  And if these people aren't cave dwellers,
everyone should have access to sunlight.

It would be one thing if an optimum level of D was set at 50..but to set it at 100?  I don't
see how that's remotely do-able for most people without taking pills.

Were we meant to get our nutrients from concentrated, laboratory produced pills or whole foods?

What disturbs me is the necessity for therapeutic prescription D.  What if they find out decades
from now that our D stays low because maybe our A and K2 levels are low..Or something else.
With too much calcium in the blood, excessive D could be dangerous.  Especially if K2 is too
low.  You don't want calcification building up on artery walls or in soft tissue.

I agree with you HB.....they are focusing on one nutrient and not a whole spectrum of nutrients
in our bodies.  I've never heard of a medical doctor asking a lab to measure all the nutrients values in our blood.  Perhaps there is more to the story than just raising D.

This is really rather new research.   Doctors don't know much
about it....some measure, some don't....some read values as okay when they're low compared
to the recommendations.





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Yep excactly ...
Here we have an epidemic with espeially young women with low levels of D in blod.
They all work indoor all day- cover up in lots of sun screen in weekends.
Eat low fat often almost vegan diets......

I was making a list over natural Vitamin A and D food - and was sooo surprised how much more A and D you get from full fat dairy than skimmed milk.
I am the weirdo in my circle of friend cause I only use full fat dairy

I don´t like liver so I wont get any A from there- even though it is a diamond in my swami.
I will continue doing D3 in winter time- but I am quite certain that I´ll look at more sun, remeber my CLO - and eat proper food that contains all vitamins ( D, A and k2 )



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