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Mayflowers
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Everything is the same. I've actually been eating more, now that I'm back in the habit of eating three meals.


Well, it could be you getting older too. As we age, our bodies have a harder time absorbing nutrients..even through the skin making D.  Good luck. Hope you figure it out.   I'm taking the fish oil D again I take 2 capsules every night. That's 4,000 ius. I hope my levels are ok.  I'd be happy with them up in the 50's.
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Drea, remember you were on an antibiotic and not long after took a blood test to measure your D.

Not sure if antibiotics interfere with the testing of vitamin D or whether a few weeks of antibiotics
could lower your nutrients....but if I were you, I'd wait a few months and take that test again.

Read what this says about antibiotics and nutrient absorption.  Logically it would seem that reserves of D would stay constant if you arrived at a decent number without supplementation.....but just don't know much about this subject from the perspective of a D level going down after supplementation.  The question is
whether it dipped quickly or was it going down slowly for awhile....  It does take vitamin K to absorb D and antibiotics deplete many nutrients because vitamin K is made by friendly bacteria......so anything is possible.  I think I'd focus on my gut for a few months just to be sure of absorbing all nutrients and building plenty of good bacteria to make more K.

K plus D might increase your D level next blood test.

Antibiotics  http://www.mcvitamins.com/health%20opponents/deficiencies-medications-drugs.htm

Antibiotics deplete biotin, inositol, vitamins B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B12 and vitamin K. Additionally, fluoroquinolones and all floxacins (including ciprofloxacin or “Cipro”) deplete calcium and iron. Tetracyclines (suffix, -cycline) deplete calcium and magnesium. Trimethoprim-containing antibiotics (brand names Trimpex, Proloprim or Primsol) deplete folic acid. Penicillins (suffix, -cillin) deplete potassium. Aminoglycosides, such as gentamicin, cause imbalances of magnesium, calcium and potassium. (20) In fact, one study showed that gentamicin causes increased excretion of calcium by 5 percent and magnesium by 8.4 percent. (21)

When you take antibiotics, consider a B vitamin complex along with it. Or take a multivitamin that contains 25 mg of B1 (thiamine), 25 mg of B2 (riboflavin), 50 mg of B3 (niacin), 50 mg of B6 (pyridoxine), 400 mcg to 800 mcg of folic acid, 10 mcg of B12, and 50 mg each of biotin and B5 (pantothenic acid).

Inositol is part of the B vitamin complex, and is likely to be included in a B vitamin or multivitamin formulation. Otherwise, take 500 mg of inositol. (The RDA is 100 mg per day.) In addition, either take a multivitamin that includes magnesium (500 mg), calcium (1,000 mg) and potassium (100 mg), or take them separately.

Antibiotics can disrupt the natural bacteria flora in the digestive system, killing “good” bacteria, including Lactobacillus acidophilus (L. acidophilus) and Bifidobacterium bifidum (B. bifidum). These are probiotics or bacteria that normally live in and on the human body, concentrated mostly in the digestive and genital/urinary systems. Choose a supplement that contains at least 1 billion live organisms per daily dose.

You also may consider 50 mcg daily of vitamin K, which is normally made by friendly intestinal bacteria. Vitamin K is required for proper blood clotting. Deficiency is rare, but when it occurs, life-threatening bleeding can occur from the smallest injury. Vitamin K also plays a part in osteoporosis prevention.


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Drea, remember you were on an antibiotic and not long after took a blood test to measure your D.

Not sure if antibiotics interfere with the testing of vitamin D or whether a few weeks of antibiotics
could lower your nutrients....but if I were you, I'd wait a few months and take that test again.


Good point! I do take nattokinase (on your recommendation), and eat a lot of kale...


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I usually take my supps right after breakfast, not before. You may not be absorbing much if you're taking the supps on an empty stomach- maybe they go through your system too quickly, before you have a chance to eat? You also may want to try a different form of vitamin D if this one is hard for your body to absorb.

It's also quite likely that the antibiotics lowered your D level, and/or you used up a lot of stored D when healing. Hormonal changes could also be affecting things.


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I just got my Vitamin D test back and I got a 70 and I do everything wrong.  I take 5000IUs at night with my Cal Mag Zinc before bed (there's a little D in there too).  
My last bone density showed a little osteopenia, the one I had this summer was evidently OK because my PCP says I don't need another one for 5 years.  
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I just got my Vitamin D test back and I got a 70 and I do everything wrong.  I take 5000IUs at night with my Cal Mag Zinc before bed (there's a little D in there too).  
My last bone density showed a little osteopenia, the one I had this summer was evidently OK because my PCP says I don't need another one for 5 years.  


Well, that's good news...

My DH always takes his D at night too...His number was 70 also.  I don't think the time of day or
night matters...it's whether your body absorbs that supplement. I sometimes think
that a person who can't absorb D from a supplement possibly doesn't absorb supplements very
well and might not even absorb nutrients from foods all that well either.  Malabsorption is very
common in people with gluten intolerance as most will have a leaky gut!


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I just got my Vitamin D test back and I got a 70 and I do everything wrong.  I take 5000IUs at night with my Cal Mag Zinc before bed (there's a little D in there too).  
My last bone density showed a little osteopenia, the one I had this summer was evidently OK because my PCP says I don't need another one for 5 years.  


You're clearly doing something right if your level is adequate and the osteopenia is gone!


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I hope so!
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I'm going to wait a couple of months, continue to do what I've been doing, find a new PCP and ask for a repeat of the Vit D test. Then I'll go from there.


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I have not tested my levels since my return to California but I was taking 10,000 i.u. of D3 on a daily basis until a month and half ago. I was still feeling run down and tired. It was so extreme that I could not do much after working for about 8 hours a day.

I started taking Estrobalance to get rid of my estrogen dominance (Estrobalance was mentioned on another thread by a poster who took it). Well, the Estrobalance seems to have balanced out the low energy and muscle ache issue. I reduced my vitamin D3 to 5,000 i.u. and have not gotten sick or anything. If I had tried reducing my vitamin D3 to 5,000 i.u. pre-Estrobalance, I would have gotten sick within a day or two.

I am beginning to think that estrogen dominance affects vitamin D absorption - I have not had time to do research related to this topic, though.


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I am beginning to think that estrogen dominance affects vitamin D absorption - I have not had time to do research related to this topic, though.


Here's the relationship.....

http://archive.aweber.com/drcarolyndean/1Uwuw/t/Magnesium_Estrogen_and.htm


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I was wondering if the brand of vitamin D matters in absorption? If it's a cheaper grocery store brand, does that matter?

Also this article about tips for maximum absorption has some good info:
http://www.autoimmunemom.com/v.....-maximum-levels.html
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Jane, that's really good news!
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Don't we also need to take Vitamin D with fats in order for the body to use the D?  That' why I take it with a meal containing some fat.



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It depends on the ingredients, not the price or the brand name. I can easily fond D3 in soybean oil at grocery stores and Costco, but I order the NOW brand in olive oil because soy oil is an "avoid" for me. I'm sure the kind in soy oil is absorbed just fine- although I'm wary of any non-organic soy due to GMO contamination.


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So I have read the last pages of this thread, and it is interesting, to say the least! My Vitamin D was 30 last year and this year it was 23 (on the test this year the normal was supposed to be 30-60, don't know about the "normal" for last year.) Anyway my doctor put me on 50,000 IU's once a week for four weeks, then once per month for six months. He was very positive about the results he has had with this regimen. So I came home and took 50,000 IU's and wondered what sort of reaction I might have from that much, but I only got sleepy and very relaxed.

At least I won't have to worry about it for another week. But I certainly hope that I will have some good results. The doctor also thinks it will help the vertical lines on my fingernails. So we will see..... Oh, I might add that I was taking over 1200 IU's per day for the last year... Otherwise the doctor was very pleased with the results from the ton of lab work that they had done!!


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Well, Dr. Oz on one of his shows said that levels should be  minimum, 50.  I'm trying to get my levels up there. I don't know what Dr. D thinks as far as levels...   I took the 50,000 ius when my level was 25 and it got it up to 29 .  wow.    It's time for a check up.
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So I have read the last pages of this thread, and it is interesting, to say the least! My Vitamin D was 30 last year and this year it was 23 (on the test this year the normal was supposed to be 30-60, don't know about the "normal" for last year.) Anyway my doctor put me on 50,000 IU's once a week for four weeks, then once per month for six months. He was very positive about the results he has had with this regimen. So I came home and took 50,000 IU's and wondered what sort of reaction I might have from that much, but I only got sleepy and very relaxed.


Thanks for the post, Spring. It's a reminder to me that I have to get a new doctor. The last doctor was lame (and moved from the practice) and when my levels dropped within one year from 54 to 29, said "just keep taking 400 IUs of Vit D". LAME. I had been taking 5000 IUs for that same year.



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Thanks for the post, Spring. It's a reminder to me that I have to get a new doctor. The last doctor was lame (and moved from the practice) and when my levels dropped within one year from 54 to 29, said "just keep taking 400 IUs of Vit D". LAME. I had been taking 5000 IUs for that same year.


I know that some cheap brands of D are not what they say they are. Ruthie said she was taking a brand that was I think 10,000 ius and her levels dropped as well. I'm taking GNC brand D until I can get some BlueBonnet D from fish oil. It's hard to find.  I'm not reacting to the GNC brand...which is weird. I wonder if I'm absorbing it at all?  

I could easily buy Carlson fish oil D but their capsules are made with "beef gelatin".

My D level was 25 and I took 400 ius of D daily.
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No, my level didn't drop while I was taking 10,000 iu per day. My levels dropped when my doctor told me "your levels are fine now, so take less" and I didn't follow up with her to clarify (my father died that week) and, after not taking any for a couple of weeks and then dropping to 5,000 iu/day for months, my level had dropped.


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I just made an appointment with a new doctor to deal with my levels.


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No, my level didn't drop while I was taking 10,000 iu per day. My levels dropped when my doctor told me "your levels are fine now, so take less" and I didn't follow up with her to clarify (my father died that week) and, after not taking any for a couple of weeks and then dropping to 5,000 iu/day for months, my level had dropped.


Oh. Ok, I could have sworn you said you were taking a cheap brand...that wasn't working.  Never mind then.  
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This brand I'm taking is certainly not cheap. I'm still doing all right - slept great last night and felt very relaxed today. Feel as if I have lain out in the sun on the beach for a while! Counting what I am taking in the capsule he prescribed by the week, and what I am taking in a multi-mineral every day, my average dose is a little over 8100 IU's per day. The other doctor I was going to didn't want me to take more than 3,000 per day. But he was delighted when I was taking the BP medication -- even when it was driving me nuts!!


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Well guess what? i called Bluebonnet who I thought had vegetarian capsules.. duh.. I read the label and it says 'gelatin' as one of the ingredients. So I called them and it's bovine. Same as Carlson! I can take Carlson fish liver D oil at 5,000 ius a day for 50% less than Bluebonnet and just have to live with the one avoid ingredient that I hope won't bother my joints.   DUH!   I really need to read the labels more.  oh well    It's either that or D2 which I read may be converted into a carcinogen in the body.. so I'm afraid to take D2 for long term.  

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Mayflowers- I've also seen liquid vitamin D, with only two ingredients: vitamin D3 and olive oil. I used to buy it for my son, before he learned how to swallow pills.


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