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And I was told it was too high when it was 93, since the lab said that 30-80 was the healthy range.

That study is a good place to start, although overall health is more than just mortality rates. However, mortality rate is one single factor to study and can give clearer results in preliminary studies. It will also be interesting to see if higher levels (say, 70 or 100 rather than 50) are healthier when other nutrient values are in healthy ranges. 50 might only be the "lowest mortality rate" when A and K are low as well.


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And I was told it was too high when it was 93, since the lab said that 30-80 was the healthy range.

That study is a good place to start, although overall health is more than just mortality rates. However, mortality rate is one single factor to study and can give clearer results in preliminary studies. It will also be interesting to see if higher levels (say, 70 or 100 rather than 50) are healthier when other nutrient values are in healthy ranges. 50 might only be the "lowest mortality rate" when A and K are low as well.


I agree - but I jsut wanted to share since it was a rather large study.
However I do think it is sad that scientist seem to only focus on 1 vitamin when everythin shows that there are connected.
I don´t think it is a coincidens that lots of good food containsboth A, D and K2
Like eggyolks, butter from grassfed cows , codliveroil etc..


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I agree - but I jsut wanted to share since it was a rather large study.
However I do think it is sad that scientist seem to only focus on 1 vitamin when everythin shows that there are connected.
I don´t think it is a coincidens that lots of good food containsboth A, D and K2
Like eggyolks, butter from grassfed cows , codliveroil etc..


Two food sources providing vitamin D..  not including the sun..... cows and fish.

We're gulping pills and some people still can't raise their D levels.  Does everyone throughout
the world include dairy products or fish in their diets?  And if these people aren't cave dwellers,
everyone should have access to sunlight.

It would be one thing if an optimum level of D was set at 50..but to set it at 100?  I don't
see how that's remotely do-able for most people without taking pills.

Were we meant to get our nutrients from concentrated, laboratory produced pills or whole foods?

What disturbs me is the necessity for therapeutic prescription D.  What if they find out decades
from now that our D stays low because maybe our A and K2 levels are low..Or something else.
With too much calcium in the blood, excessive D could be dangerous.  Especially if K2 is too
low.  You don't want calcification building up on artery walls or in soft tissue.

I agree with you HB.....they are focusing on one nutrient and not a whole spectrum of nutrients
in our bodies.  I've never heard of a medical doctor asking a lab to measure all the nutrients values in our blood.  Perhaps there is more to the story than just raising D.

This is really rather new research.   Doctors don't know much
about it....some measure, some don't....some read values as okay when they're low compared
to the recommendations.





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Yep excactly ...
Here we have an epidemic with espeially young women with low levels of D in blod.
They all work indoor all day- cover up in lots of sun screen in weekends.
Eat low fat often almost vegan diets......

I was making a list over natural Vitamin A and D food - and was sooo surprised how much more A and D you get from full fat dairy than skimmed milk.
I am the weirdo in my circle of friend cause I only use full fat dairy

I don´t like liver so I wont get any A from there- even though it is a diamond in my swami.
I will continue doing D3 in winter time- but I am quite certain that I´ll look at more sun, remeber my CLO - and eat proper food that contains all vitamins ( D, A and k2 )



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This form is obviously very absorbable for your body...I'd be curious to know the source as well...Can you please share with us when you find out?   Thanks!  



Chloe, it's from lanolin.  Seems to work well for me - maybe because lamb is a diamond superfood for me.  



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All I did was switch from 5,000 ius of D from lanolin to 2,000ius of D from fish oil and my D level dropped instead of rising or staying the same.   My LDL is all screwed up now. Lousy fish oil.  
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I wonder if your level dropped because you dropped your dose so much, or if the form was harder for your body to use. Did you effectively switch from 5,000 to 2,000 or from 5,000 to zero?


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Chloe, it's from lanolin.  Seems to work well for me - maybe because lamb is a diamond superfood for me.  


Good to know...thanks for sharing


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I quit taking vitamin D after thinking I had overdone it. After a not taking it for about a week and half, I am back at having very little energy, needing coffee to stay awake for more than 3-5 hours, and have extreme difficulty getting up in the morning.

I think what I thought to be kidney pain was actually lower back pain.

I took 10,000 i.u. today and feel slightly better. I started out with 5,000 i.u. and did not feel anything. I had to lie down and take a long nap. I took another 5,000 i.u. afterwards and I am more alert.

I guess my levels are not as high as I had thought.


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I wonder if your level dropped because you dropped your dose so much, or if the form was harder for your body to use. Did you effectively switch from 5,000 to 2,000 or from 5,000 to zero?


I went from 5,000 to 2,000. Sometimes I would forget to take it but that would be one day every so often, just like most people. I think you are correct. The fish oil D was harder for my body to use.  I would think taking 2,000 a day would be enough to slowly raise it or keep it the same. It's not like I dropped down to 400 or 800 ius. As soon as I get off 10 lbs I'm getting the level checked again. I want to see if my LDL is lower off the fish oil.  I'm thinking that perhaps A's don't do so well on animal products..unless you're an A2 that needs more animal protein ? I also was taking a 1,000 mg fish oil capsule a day for omega 3's, adding to the LDL problem.

PP, I thought I had kidney trouble when I was younger too and it turned out to be my back. I don't get more energy from D. I don't notice any difference except that I'm not sick as much. If I don't get sick then my levels are good. Even bacterial infections are way down, like UTI's when my D level is up. No energy increased though. It might be because I think I have a mild form of CFS on top of M so I have fatigue often. Exercise definitely helps a lot.  
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I thought my lower back pain (from car accident injuries) was kidney pain! The pain reminded me of the only time I ever had kidney pain which was when coconut oil was causing a candida purge in my system.

I guess my D level is not as high as it should be. I would sleep for hours and be fatigued while experiencing an increase in appetite. It only took a week and half for these symptoms to return. I had a bit of sinusitis but it was not that serious. When I tested at 16, I had chronic sinusitis, asthma, and other allergies with extreme shortness of breath. I also had severe muscle and bone pain. I thought my recent muscle/bone pain was because I had worked out the day before. However, I noticed that the pain was severe and took much longer for me to return to normal.

When I took 20,000 i.u., my appetite decreased, I had tons of energy (calm energy unlike a caffeine jolt), and I would wake up around 6:30 or 7 a.m. naturally (due to my melatonin levels being normalized). I assumed that I was feeling this way not because my vitamin D level was finally getting to a healthy level but because I was close to O.D.ing.

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PP, I thought I had kidney trouble when I was younger too and it turned out to be my back. I don't get more energy from D. I don't notice any difference except that I'm not sick as much. If I don't get sick then my levels are good. Even bacterial infections are way down, like UTI's when my D level is up. No energy increased though. It might be because I think I have a mild form of CFS on top of M so I have fatigue often. Exercise definitely helps a lot.  




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I assumed that I was feeling this way not because my vitamin D level was finally getting to a healthy level but because I was close to O.D.ing.


We should check the levels every 3-6 months when we're taking a big dose to raise levels. I'm checking mine once a year now that I got it back up.   How often do you check them PP?
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I am due to check my levels soon but I need to find a new doctor and such. Long story. I still know that I am not up to a healthy level seeing how my body reacts when I do not take it.

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We should check the levels every 3-6 months when we're taking a big dose to raise levels. I'm checking mine once a year now that I got it back up.   How often do you check them PP?




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I take 15000IU daily now for the past month, was taking 10000iu for the past year.  My D3 was at 24 four years ago, after 2 years of taking 2k daily it raised to 39.  I started seeing a naturopath in January of 2011, started my healing journey with the BTD diet and healing leaky gut, and stage 4 adrenal fatigue.  Now 18 months later, my D3 has maintained at 63 for the past 8 months (ND wants it at 80 as a minimum because I have an auto immune disease).  I will get it tested again in September to see if it has inched up anymore.  It's been a long road and lots of patience, but I do feel so much better.


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Mayflowers- I know you went from 5,000 to 2,000, but if  the 2,000 was a form your body couldn't use, the effective dose may have been reduced to zero. You may not have had problems from 2,000 iu per day of the more absorbable  form.

PP: 20,000 iu per day is a LOT. I've taken that much in a day when sick, but never for more than a day or two before dropping back down to 10,000 iu. 10,000 iu per day might be a healthy dose to take until you're able to get your levels checked.


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Mayflowers- I know you went from 5,000 to 2,000, but if  the 2,000 was a form your body couldn't use, the effective dose may have been reduced to zero. You may not have had problems from 2,000 iu per day of the more absorbable  form..


Oh, yea...right got it. True. If I couldn't absorb that form of D, then it was like taking nothing for 6 months. It only dropped 2 points because I was going to the tanning salon to help boost it.
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I tried taking 10,000 i.u. the other day only to feel semi-alert and having to spend more than half the day in bed. I am back on 20,000 i.u. and feel "normal". We have "Los Angeles June gloom" right now so the sun is not out. I try and lay out whenever I can but it seems like my level is still low.

The week and half where I did not take vit. D really left me with horrid symptoms. I realize that my levels are not still high enough for me to function normally. I am hoping to drop my dosage down to 5-10,000 i.u. soon.

When I took 20,000 i.u. without magnesium, I was not seeing results. It was only recently that I started feeling better with the added magnesium. I was still getting sick here and there even while on the vitamin D.

I found out recently that corticosteroids (I took plenty for my allergies and asthma!) lower vitamin D levels.

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Mayflowers- I know you went from 5,000 to 2,000, but if  the 2,000 was a form your body couldn't use, the effective dose may have been reduced to zero. You may not have had problems from 2,000 iu per day of the more absorbable  form.

PP: 20,000 iu per day is a LOT. I've taken that much in a day when sick, but never for more than a day or two before dropping back down to 10,000 iu. 10,000 iu per day might be a healthy dose to take until you're able to get your levels checked.




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Last October my first vitamin D test result was 25 ng/mL after taking 1000 IU of D3 for the previous five months. (Their standard range is 25-79 ng/mL.) The test result from last month (May) increased to only 35 ng/mL after taking 4000 IU daily. I was surprised as I was looking for at least mid-range. But not so surprised because I wear sunscreen and am indoors for most of the day, including weekends.

I've done a lot of reading and the consensus seems to be 10,000 IU of D3 daily, which is what I started on May 26th. Soon after I started this new dosage I came down with a cold. My colds always last 14-16 days. Always. This time, amazingly, it was very mild without a cough, and I did not require any medicine. And, it lasted only four or five days. I have to say it must be the vitamin D3 that saved me!

But, for almost a week now I have noticed a metallic taste in my mouth. Could it be the high dose of vitamin D3 or the myrrh toothpaste and mouthwash I recently started to use to try and heal my gums? Well, I finally searched for answers and it looks like it is the vitamin D.  

From my search result: "Vitamin D is LIKELY SAFE when taken by mouth in recommended amounts. Most people do not commonly experience side effects with vitamin D, unless too much is taken. Some side effects of taking too much vitamin D include weakness, fatigue, sleepiness, headache, loss of appetite, dry mouth, metallic taste, nausea, vomiting, and others.

Taking vitamin D for long periods of time in doses higher than 4000 units per day is POSSIBLY UNSAFE and may cause excessively high levels of calcium in the blood. However, much higher doses are often needed for the short-term treatment of vitamin D deficiency. This type of treatment should be done under the supervision of a healthcare provider."

Has anyone else experienced this side affect of vitamin D? I plan to stop taking it for a week or until the taste disappears, and then see if I can handle 5,000 IU daily.
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Susan, if I were you, I'd work myself up slowly.  Considering you were taking only 1,000 IU and jumped
quickly up to 10,000 IU, it might be a bit too much for you to absorb.  Your suggestion of taking
a break and trying 5,000 IU sounds sensible.  Although you might want to check out the formula
Dr. D created.

DPN sells Phyto D

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP066

Are you taking any magnesium?  Necessary for D absorption.


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I took 10,000 daily and at times, 20,000 daily with magnesium and still have yet to experience side effects. However, I recently dropped it down to 5,000 daily and I feel a bit fatigued. I do not want to increase it back to 10,000 daily, though.

I am back in L.A. so I am trying to get more sunshine to compensate.

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Last October my first vitamin D test result was 25 ng/mL after taking 1000 IU of D3 for the previous five months. (Their standard range is 25-79 ng/mL.) The test result from last month (May) increased to only 35 ng/mL after taking 4000 IU daily. I was surprised as I was looking for at least mid-range. But not so surprised because I wear sunscreen and am indoors for most of the day, including weekends.

I've done a lot of reading and the consensus seems to be 10,000 IU of D3 daily, which is what I started on May 26th. Soon after I started this new dosage I came down with a cold. My colds always last 14-16 days. Always. This time, amazingly, it was very mild without a cough, and I did not require any medicine. And, it lasted only four or five days. I have to say it must be the vitamin D3 that saved me!

But, for almost a week now I have noticed a metallic taste in my mouth. Could it be the high dose of vitamin D3 or the myrrh toothpaste and mouthwash I recently started to use to try and heal my gums? Well, I finally searched for answers and it looks like it is the vitamin D.  

From my search result: "Vitamin D is LIKELY SAFE when taken by mouth in recommended amounts. Most people do not commonly experience side effects with vitamin D, unless too much is taken. Some side effects of taking too much vitamin D include weakness, fatigue, sleepiness, headache, loss of appetite, dry mouth, metallic taste, nausea, vomiting, and others.

Taking vitamin D for long periods of time in doses higher than 4000 units per day is POSSIBLY UNSAFE and may cause excessively high levels of calcium in the blood. However, much higher doses are often needed for the short-term treatment of vitamin D deficiency. This type of treatment should be done under the supervision of a healthcare provider."

Has anyone else experienced this side affect of vitamin D? I plan to stop taking it for a week or until the taste disappears, and then see if I can handle 5,000 IU daily.




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To clarify: I took 1000 IU daily of D3 for five months (before test 1), then 4000 IU daily for seven months (before test 2), and was taking 10,000 IU daily for the past three weeks. (I stopped all D3 on Monday.)

Yesterday I stopped using the myrrh toothpaste (Trader Joe's in AM/PM and Tom's of Maine [propolis & myrrh] after lunch at work) and the Ratanhia mouthwaste (myrrh is the third ingredient) in the AM/PM.

Today, the metallic taste is barely noticeable. Now I'm not sure if it's due to the vitamin D3 or the myrrh, which has a bitter taste that could be called metallic I suppose.

I'd like to know if anyone else has had this response to either the D3 and myrrh.

I think I will start again with the myrrh products next week, after the bad taste goes away, and see if it returns. If so, then it's the myrrh and I'll resume with 8,000 IU daily of D3 this time.
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Susan, it will be interesting to find out if it was the toothpaste or the D3.

How long are you using this toothpaste and mouthwash?  If you tolerated 4,000 iu of D3 prior to
using the toothpaste, it's very likely the problem could be what you're brushing your teeth with.

Although Tom's of Maine makes fluoride free toothpastes, they do have formulas that aren't 100%
chemical free.  In many situations, they still contain irritants like sodium laurel sulphate.

http://www.tomsofmaine.com/research/not-in-our-products

Can't find the ingredients in Trader Joe's toothpaste....How long had you been using that brand?


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I think B's can tolerate a higher dose of D than A's. I tried 10,000 a day and I didn't feel good. I dropped down to 5,000 and I'm fine at that dosage. I took 2,000 and my level dropped actually, but if you take a large dose of D you really should get the level tested once or twice a year just to be safe that you aren't OD'ing on it.
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Susan,
  Did you find anything by removing the toothpaste or vite D?
I had low D readings (22) and after long time with 5000/day still next test 22.
Wondered why, someone told me she had Lyme and that the bacteria uses the vite D, and also minerals, and she also get 2 different vite d tests. forget something like 125 and 25. I didnt persue it for me as didnt want to deal with another thing.

Do a web search on metalic taste in mouth and see if any ideas pop up!.
I once had bitter taste suddenly and and just eaten pinenuts, found alot
of people reacted that way. Maybe do to source of nuts(china) or ..
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I am back to 20,000 i.u. DAILY after taking 5,000 i.u. daily and drinking coffee. Coffee depletes vitamin D. Coupled with my health problems stemming from vitamin d deficiency, coffee+5,000 i.u. over 2.5 weeks was enough to do me in completely. I spent the entire weekend in bed, coughing, wheezing, unable to move and breathe. I finally realized that my symptoms are from being deficient so I took 20,000 i.u. in one sitting and lo and behold - I actually felt like a normal person!

I will continue 20,000 i.u. daily for this week and then drop to 10,000 i.u. This experience was enough to make me drop my coffee habit completely (or until my deficiency issue is resolved). I lost my entire weekend. What a miserable experience!


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